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bethlehempard

Lehigh game

Down eight here's why:

Team Stats LEH LAF
Shooting 21-37 (.568) 14-35 (.400)
3PT Shooting 5-10 (.500) 4-13 (.308)
Free Throws 4-4 (1.000) 9-10 (.900)
Rebounds 6-25 3-13

Still in it despite the board deficit
pards123

These teams have been making huge threes against us every time we get close the for the last 3 games.
Lafalum

Geez just lost PL feed!!!
pards123

Yep, unreal
Lost Again

Someone screwed up.  Every PL broadcast that was on is now listed as ended at 3:30
pards123

There's one women's game that is still working. Anyways, 71-69 Lehigh. Lehigh shooting 2, per ESPN gamecast. 32 seconds left

Working now, 2 point game 17 left
2012Pard

Feed's back up.
2012Pard

And it's over, 75-71 Lehigh
Lafalum

75-71 according to game tracker…missed the last 4 min because of a dropped feed from the PL. Damn….
jonnymo

Watched entire game and then boom nothing. I hate the internet.  I am sure the families of the players must have been thrilled with the dropped feed. I am grumpy.
bethlehempard

This will make you more grumpy:

LEHIGH
75
LAFAYETTE
71
Team Stats LEH LAF
Shooting 26-50 (.520) 22-54 (.407)
3PT Shooting 8-14 (.571) 6-19 (.316)
Free Throws 15-15 (1.000) 21-23 (.913)
Rebounds 8-33 9-25
Assists 13 11
Steals 2 5
Blocks 3 1
Turnovers 14 7
Fouls 21 13
Largest Lead - -
ed65

This season is in the Toilet.  2-5 now in the League.  Despair.
bethlehempard

Anybody could win the tournament this year more than most. That gives the PL more of a chance of having NIT and NCAA spots under the current rules.
All that said: this stinks. This are our seniors, good players and the team can't play defense well enough or close games.
We have enough games left to turn this around.
DVR note: FOH was very calm after the game during that non-interview interview.
Hell I watched the whole game and could probably come up with a couple questions.
Kpard

There just seems to be a lack of fire, of determination, a will to win. No spark? We are just blah.
Andy

Kpard wrote:
There just seems to be a lack of fire, of determination, a will to win. No spark? We are just blah.


Yeah, it does seem that way.  And beaten by a young team who, in contrast to some LU teams in the recent past, were not into showboating.  Impressive young players.

Hopefully the close games can go our way second half.
pardfan

Last yr we found out we weren't very good without Seth (due to his injury).  This yr we are finding out we may not be very good WITH Seth.
I am extremely concerned about this program.  Cupboard looks bare like I can't remember.  (I hate saying that.  Young people who attend Lafayette to play sports are truly special in my book.)
Kpard

Where was Mike Hoffman? It just hit me that he usually gets time but Flannegan got his minutes?
pardfan

Kpard wrote:
Where was Mike Hoffman? It just hit me that he usually gets time but Flannegan got his minutes?


Flannigan taking that charge along the baseline late in the game.  Nifty play.
Not sure about Hoffman.
Pard4Life

Kpard wrote:
There just seems to be a lack of fire, of determination, a will to win. No spark? We are just blah.


Funny you should say that, as that was my initial impression yesterday even before reading this board here.  We are simply not 'tough enough'.  We showed some real fire towards the end of the game, but even at times, we were not as assertive as we could have been underneath Lehigh's basket.  Even the crowd felt relatively 'dead' until the last several minutes of the game... or maybe it is always like that (my first game at 'new' Kirby).

Again, we showed some very poor decision-making towards the end of the game.  We had guys making passes to teammates that were tightly covered.  They were so tightly covered that it was utter shock to see the passes even be attempted.  

Is it that we are a one-trick pony?  We shot poorly and Lehigh had us well-covered on the outside.  Trist was double-teamed underneath and had to really work for his shot.  Joey did not get many looks, and I think he only made one.

Lehigh made two huge 3s late, one was a prayer by #32, and another a line drive by #40 (maybe).   And, they missed zero FTs out of 14 or so... we were 23-26, so you can't fault that.

We really do lack a killer instinct... when was the last time Lafayette had a dominant player?  Someone who made you say 'I want the ball in this guy's hands at the end of the game'?   Tony Johnson was obviously one... and earlier, perhaps Brian Burke.  It's clear that the team lacks that 'guy'.  It might be different in the locker room, but that's what it seems like on the floor.

And as I was told leaving the arena, "at least you can't blame this one on Frank."   Laughing   c2?  I'm sure you can find something... Stan Clayton was there Laughing  

Unless we turn things around by improving our offense and toughness, we are no better than .500 in the league.
Refrider

Don't know what was harder to watch: the inconsistent flow of execution of Lafayette offense or watching the referee trying to explain to the young man in charge of wiping the floor that there is a spot on the floor that needed to be wipe.  Smile
NewXbo

Joey is in a scoring slump, 2-17 over the last 3 games and only 2-12 from beyond the arc. He needs to shoot his way out of it. Seth still coming up short on his 3s, maybe not get enough legs into his shot? I would like to see a little high-low with Dan at the foul line and Matt down on the blocks.

Lot of games still to be played, top 4 position still attainable.
carney2

Pard4Life wrote:
c2?


Huh?  Sorry, I wasn't paying attention.  I have, for the first time in memory, lost interest in the 3 seasons of Lafayette athletics:

Season 1 - September-November:  Football Fiasco, or Losing With Frank

Season 2 - November-February:  Basketball Bungling, or Losing with Fran and Diane

Season 3 - March-August:  The Jabberwocky, or folks on this site telling each other what a great thing we have.

I have finally been worn down by the endless losing.  It took decades, but frankly we suck!  At everything.

I'm sure the fire will reignite after we beat W&M, Delaware and Princeton in September.  Until then...
Lafalum

Had an occasion to speak to a member of the Maroon club exec committee recently. I mentioned we have had 3 consecutive seasons so far of not one Lafayette team with a winning season. This person was sincerely surprised. The retort was we are raising more money than ever!!!???

Remember the football team got screwd out of revenue from Yankee Stadium. Our facilities are good, we have scholarships fully funded in 5 maybe six sports. But our asst salaries suck, recruiting budgets are thin, and we tolerate losing programs. So my friends where is the fault…you tell me!!
Steve

I've missed all or some of several recent games -- I missed the Loyola and American games due to family commitments, and I only saw about the last quarter of the HC game -- but in the recent league games that I have seen, it appears that our opponents are focusing defensively on covering us tightly on the perimeter, limiting our good looks at 3-point shots.  Much of our scoring in the recent games that I've seen has been from guys taking the ball strong to the hoop.  That has limited the effectiveness of Joey, and has meant that Dan, Seth, and Nick generally have been our three consistently effective offensive players, and the number of good looks Seth gets from 3 has been limited.  Lehigh was sticking with our perimeter shooters, and their perimeter defenders didn't help out much against players who had the ball.  Joey was 0-5 from 3 yesterday, but I don't know that any of those shots were what I consider good looks (although Joey usually is such a good shooter he often can hit threes off of difficult looks).  

Nick got some space to shoot from 3 at times, because he's our quickest guy driving to the basket.  But when we set ball screens, they often weren't effective, because Lehigh's defenders were able to fight around them.  Similarly, our off-the-ball screens weren't effective in creating space for our shooters, mostly because Lehigh's defenders were committed to blanketing our shooters, even if it meant giving up drives to the baskets.

In terms of improving the offensive flow, we might be able to work on setting better screens that can create space more often, but I'm not sure how much that will help.  Joey does appear to be in something of a slump, and even though he didn't get great looks yesterday, normally he will hit at least one or two of those 3-pointers.  But to an extent, we might have to work more on driving to the hoop better.  Scott scored on a couple of nice drives yesterday, even going to his right.  Boykins has shown that he can drive the ball effectively, although he didn't show that yesterday in limited minutes, and he played little toward the end of the HC game.  I thought we were somewhat unlucky yesterday, in terms of shots that looked like they would go in rolling or bouncing off the rim.  But to a large extent, it appeared to be due to Lehigh committing to covering our perimeter shooters and working hard on defense, and we struggled to adjust to that.

As usual, our defense gave up high shooting percentages, and given that is usually the case, we can't win unless we're pretty efficient on offense.  Lehigh shot 57% on 3-pointers, a very high percentage.  To an extent, they were fortunate to have shot so well, although most of their looks from 3 were good looks, with open shooters shooting from just behind the line.  Often, it was a scenario we have seen many times before.  One of Lehigh's players would beat his man.  Sometimes that would leave him open for a shot or drive; other times, it would lead to a chain reaction where another of our defenders would come over to help out, then his man, or the man of the next help defender would be open for a shot or drive.  I did feel that our defense did a pretty good job of creating turnovers, although we often didn't capitalize on them.  To a good extent, our defenders getting beaten by their man was due to Lehigh's players generally being somewhat quicker than ours, although there were a few instances when I wondered whether we a better effort defensive effort would have prevented a breakdown.  

Lehigh's Price and Alston were tough matchups for us defensively at shooting guard, because they're quicker and bigger than the guys we usually had defending them.  Goldsborough was very effective against us on offense, especially in the first half, and his size and quickness enabled him to defend Hinrichs fairly effectively.

Lehigh deserves credit -- they worked hard on both sides of the floor, and whenever we drew to within 2-3 points in the second half, they almost always responded by hitting a big shot.  The backbreaker was when Kempton hit the 3-pointer when we were within 2 with just under 4 minutes left.  We were playing the 2-3 zone, and it probably was the best job we did playing that zone all game.  We covered all of Lehigh's scoring threats, and the possession ended with Kempton having the ball 21-22 feet from the basket and the shot clock about to expire.  Although he hadn't even shot a 3-pointer all season, he drained the 3 to beat the shot clock to restore Lehigh's lead to 5, and we never really recovered from that.  When that shot fell, you just knew it was Lehigh's day.

It was another close game, so it isn't like there is a huge gap of improvement we have to make.  But we definitely have to get better on offense, because with our weaknesses on defense, we're not going to win many games when we shoot 41% from the field and 30% from 3.
SIDELINER

I was told a couple of weeks ago that Lehigh had no shooters, but it sure looks as if things have changed in the interim. The quickness of a couple of those kids was way too much for the Leopards. I totally agree with Steve when he talks about the need to set better screens for a couple of shooters, most importantly Ptasinski, who takes about 75 percent of his shots from behind the arc. There seems to be no conscious attempt to get him free, especially now that defenders around going over the top of the screens that are being attempted.  I also think Henrichs needs to be taking a lot more than eight shots a game; and while Lindner does make some nice assists, I think he also seems to be out of control and leaves his feet too soon, resulting in turnovers. He's not the best 3-poiint threat, either.

The Patriot League is so balanced this year that a team that has a record similar to the Leopards could easily win the title if it can get hot at the right time, so I don't believe it's too late.

One more thing Fran could use is more scoring support from freshmen when they get a chance. Lehigh had that on Saturday, for sure.
bethlehempard

Dan, Nick and Seth put up 56 points. The rest of the team got 15.
That's that.
The Big Three played 94 minutes and scored about 0.60 points per minute as a group.
The rest of the team played 106 minutes and scored 0.14 ppm.
Kpard

Lost to a team that did what they had to do against us to win, again. This is a team that shoots 32% from 3pt line, so they shoot 57% against us and make 100% of their free throws. We also turned them over twice as much as we did.
The nail in the coffin was when we needed a stop, got exactly what we would want...their Center at the 3 pt line with the ball and 2 seconds on the shot clock. So, what does he do....drains the 3.....for his first CAREER 3 pt shot!
Listened to Dr. Reed (while holding my nose) on the radio on the way home and he was giddy. They know they stole one.
We NEED to find ways to win these games.....NOW!
Pard4Life

Kpard wrote:
Lost to a team that did what they had to do against us to win, again. This is a team that shoots 32% from 3pt line, so they shoot 57% against us and make 100% of their free throws. We also turned them over twice as much as we did.
The nail in the coffin was when we needed a stop, got exactly what we would want...their Center at the 3 pt line with the ball and 2 seconds on the shot clock. So, what does he do....drains the 3.....for his first CAREER 3 pt shot!
Listened to Dr. Reed (while holding my nose) on the radio on the way home and he was giddy. They know they stole one.
We NEED to find ways to win these games.....NOW!


Like I said earlier, we are not tough enough.  Who has the killer instinct on this team?  Who do you want with the ball down one, with time expiring?  I can't name a guy...

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