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Mangan Steps Down

@GoLeopards: MLAX | Terry Mangan Steps Down as Head Men's Lacrosse Coach
Bogus Megapardus

"Mangan will serve as the Regional Director for PreGame Lacrosse, a national recruiting education and evaluation service, which was founded in 2011 by former college lacrosse coaches Jim Stagnitta and Tony Seaman. Mangan’s resignation becomes effective June 1, 2012."

McCutcheon: “I am saddened by [Mangnan's] decision to leave Lafayette.  He will be difficult to replace.”

It would appear that the decision was Mangan's not McCutcheon's.  Or maybe this was a "mutual decision" and they're putting a happy face on it.

Mangan got as far as he could on College Hill.  It's time for a new face.
PardsLax

Yes, it probably is time for a change.  Terry is a good guy and was very dedicated to the team so I wish him well.  At the very least, a change in leadership after 10 years will generate some hope and excitement for a program desperately in need of both.  Perhaps the change will also be an impetus for enhancements such as scholarships, increased coaches' salaries, greater access to Fisher, etc.  This is a great opportunity to turn things around and help us stay apace of improvements throughout the league.
Franks Tanks

A change was certainly needed, and also good to learn that Terry has landed on his feet.

A dynamic coach can change our fortunes right away.  Our Lax budget is not huge, but we have the resources to compete (we do spend more than Bucknell). Lafayette is close to Lax recruiting hotbeds and we are the type of school that the Lax demographic covets.  The right coach can land excellent recruits and do something great.  Lets get this done!
Lafalum

PardsLax wrote:
Yes, it probably is time for a change.  Terry is a good guy and was very dedicated to the team so I wish him well.  At the very least, a change in leadership after 10 years will generate some hope and excitement for a program desperately in need of both.  Perhaps the change will also be an impetus for enhancements such as scholarships, increased coaches' salaries, greater access to Fisher, etc.  This is a great opportunity to turn things around and help us stay apace of improvements throughout the league.


Scholarships in men's lacrosse will not happen because of title IX, access to Fisher is resisted by the football folks, and there is no money at the moment for bigger coaches salary ( however Men's Lacrosse does raise over six figures every year.) Money must come from the college as long as we have budget restraint and only 2400 students nothing will change, ( God I'm sounding like Carney)
LafLax

Anyone know if McCutcheon has a "short list" of candidates?  And if so, who?
Bogus Megapardus

LafLax wrote:
Anyone know if McCutcheon has a "short list" of candidates?  And if so, who?


I doubt it.  The official statement is that there will be a "nationwide search."  Of course, the search needn't actually be nation wide.  He could limit it to about four states in the northeast and be pretty certain the right guy will be there.  McCutcheon isn't going to find a DI lax coach in Nebraska.

It won't be a newbie or first timer (look at the situation Wagner is in with Matt Poskay).  I imagine it will be an experienced guy, probably a top assistant at a good program (as was Mangan).  It needn't be a stellar player, just a smart and knowledgeable coach from a top program who can "fit" into the unusual realm of Lafayette Athletics.

This will be a very attractive job in the world of lacrosse, so the AD can expect a lot of resumes.  In fact, unless Georgetown does away with its coach (it has been rumored), Lafayette could be the most attractive coaching job in all of lacrosse.

A great way to generate interest in Lafayette lacrosse would be to put the top five candidates to a vote on LaxPower.  People there who really know these coaches could react.  It will never happen, of course, but it sure would be fun.

Then, of course, you could have the CBS Sports Network reality show to follow the progress of the "fans' choice" coach throughout his inaugural season at Lafayette.  Maybe call the show, "Re-Lax."  But I digress . . . .
PardsLax

Who would be on your top 5 list?
carney2

Lafalum wrote:
God I'm sounding like Carney


I take you under my wing, I counsel you, and I even chastise you at times.  It's times like this that I feel rewarded.  Stay the course.
Pard4Life

It would be great if we could get a young coach who has tons of energy and is even a bit eccentric...  and was a player and assistant coach at a top lacrosse school, like UVA, Duke, JHU, Syracuse, or even Princeton.
LafLax

Young and enthusiastic would be terrific, provided he can recruit and win.  I also think he should be engaging and communicate well with alumni and other friends of the program.  Lafayette should be in the upper echelon of Patriot League lacrosse.  This is a plumb job and should attract some terrific potential candidates, provided the school commits to the program.  If not, I'm afraid may be status quo and that would be sad.
Bogus Megapardus

PardsLax wrote:
Who would be on your top 5 list?


I'm actually working on that and I will post my top five once I do a little more research.  Anyone associated with Dave Pietramala or Bill Tierney would have to be given consideration.
Bogus Megapardus

Pard4Life wrote:
It would be great if we could get a young coach who has tons of energy and is even a bit eccentric...  and was a player and assistant coach at a top lacrosse school, like UVA, Duke, JHU, Syracuse, or even Princeton.


Obsession with the game and meticulous study of schemes and tactics used at all of the lacrosse schools, as well as our league-mates, is a must.  I'd like to see someone with the enthusiasm and "fit" that Frank Tavani and Dianne Nolan have at Lafayette, who can infect Lafayette students and fans with the lacrosse bug.

The raucous crowd at Lehigh's Urlich Field for the Maryland game is something that can and should appear for lacrosse at Lafayette.  Indeed, the Lafayette-Lehigh game could be a real "event" in lacrosse if we let it happen.

There are some fantastic DIII programs with longstanding success (Salisbury, Roanoke, Stevens Tech, etc.) but I want to stick to a DI guy from a top school.
Xboreturns

Let me begin by saying I'm not much of a lacrosse fan. I don't know the rules or strategies.  But I've been to 4 or 5 games and I read all the posts. There are a group of you who think we have the players but not the coach. We will soon have a new coach so does that mean we should expect next years team to challange Bucknell, Colgate, and Lehigh?  What if we are no better or marginally better than this year? Does that mean we don't have the players?  Was it a mistake to leave Mangen go? Is there another problem?
Bogus Megapardus

Xboreturns wrote:
Let me begin by saying I'm not much of a lacrosse fan. I don't know the rules or strategies.  But I've been to 4 or 5 games and I read all the posts. There are a group of you who think we have the players but not the coach. We will soon have a new coach so does that mean we should expect next years team to challange Bucknell, Colgate, and Lehigh?  What if we are no better or marginally better than this year? Does that mean we don't have the players?  Was it a mistake to leave Mangen go? Is there another problem?


Terry Mangan recruited well. He got good players from the right programs.  The talent on the team might not be Hopkins or Virginia level, but it's a LOT better than a 3 win season, that's for certain.  I know that we play a tough schedule and we would have had a better record in the MAAC, NEC or AE.  But we lost to Marist, folks - again!  We had far superior talent to the Red Foxes.

Just watch the transition game of Colgate or Lehigh and watch how their defenses scheme against faster and stronger players  That's all coaching.

And another thing - our guys need to hit the gym.  They need muscle, burst, agility and stamina.  This is Division I, not St. Hubbins Prep.  

With what Colgate and Lehigh have shown us this year, and with Navy and Bucknell not far behind as legit tournament bubble teams, the PL has become a national powerhouse conference in lacrosse.  Really, only the ACC was better this year, top to bottom, and they're not even considered a "conference" in lacrosse becasue only four ACC teams play.  The level of play in the PL demands coaching excellence.
PardsLax

[quote="Bogus Megapardus:25229"][quote="Pard4Life:25225"]It would be great if we could get a young coach who has tons of energy and is even a bit eccentric...  and was a player and assistant coach at a top lacrosse school, like UVA, Duke, JHU, Syracuse, or even Princeton.[/quote]

Obsession with the game and meticulous study of schemes and tactics used at all of the lacrosse schools, as well as our league-mates, is a must.  I'd like to see someone with the enthusiasm and "fit" that Frank Tavani and Dianne Nolan have at Lafayette, who can infect Lafayette students and fans with the lacrosse bug.

The raucous crowd at Lehigh's Urlich Field for the Maryland game is something that can and should appear for lacrosse at Lafayette.  Indeed, the Lafayette-Lehigh game could be a real "event" in lacrosse if we let it happen.

There are some fantastic DIII programs with longstanding success (Salisbury, Roanoke, Stevens Tech, etc.) but I want to stick to a DI guy from a top school.[/quote]

This from the laxpower.com thread about the summer coaching carousel:

A few guys I think could be great hires for any open position

Kevin Warne, Assistant coach Maryland: 4 of the last 5 years his defenses have been top 10 in the nation in GAA. Has worked for 2 programs that have great reputations while he was there and coached under a great head coach.

Andrew Copelan, Head coach Fairfield: 2 straight years in the ECAC finals and beating tournament bound Denver is a pretty good couple season at Fairfield after a couple of bad seasons before he got there.

Matt Brown, Associate head coach Denver: Obviously the hiring of Bill Tierney has helped the Pioneer program grow and help recruiting, but a lot of these players going to the quarterfinals were already there. Coach Brown has been there since 2007 and helped that program grow into a formidable force.

Greg Raymond, Assistant coach Princeton: Mainly in charge of the defense which has been very tough the past few years (maybe helped by the top one on one defender and goalie in the country), but never the less, I will be surprised if anyone can point to too many losses due to Princeton defensive schemes.

Matt Rewowski Assistant coach Cornell: Offensive coordinator for an offense who was ninth in the country without arguably the best player playing but 2 games. Obviously it wasn't the type of season the Big Red hoped for but it was impressive none the less.
carney2

BRUCE:  Welcome to Lafayette.  I'm honored to meet you and thrilled that you could come in to interview for the men's lacrosse position.

CANDIDATE:  Thank you for inviting me.

BRUCE:  I've been over your resume and it's pretty obvious that you know the game.  I'm going to open the interview by asking some philosophical questions, some things that are pretty important to us at Lafayette.

CANDIDATE:  Fine.  I'm here to answer any concerns that you have.

BRUCE:  As coach, if you found out that a player on your team was a member of a fraternity would you be willing to suspend him or even throw him off the team?

CANDIDATE:  I don't know.  It would depend on all of the circumstances, I guess.

BRUCE:  If you had only one recruiting spot remaining and were looking at two more or less equal candidates, both from quality high school programs, but one was going to major in engineering while the other was leaning strongly to Women's and Gender Studies, which would you choose?

CANDIDATE:  All things being equal, and this being the only point of differentiation, I might take the kid who is looking at Gender Studies because his class schedule would be less demanding and would cause less interference with lacrosse scheduling.  Really, I honestly don't know what difference...

BRUCE:  Good.  Good.  That's exactly the answer we wanted.  Let's move on.  If it required bake sales and car washes to fund your program would you be willing to grab an apron or a sponge and chip in?  Better yet, if you had to pay for the bus rental out of your own pocket and drive the bus yourself, would you do it?

CANDIDATE:  I've never been asked that before.  I'd have to think about it.

BRUCE:  How do you feel about losing?  I'm talking about monotonous, game after game, season after season soul draining losing without end.  That's what we do around here, ya know.  The faculty loves it and the administration demands it.  They feel that it projects the proper image of Lafayette and its priorities.

CANDIDATE:  Oops, look at the time.  My car's double parked up in your parking garage and I really have to go.  Thank you for your kind attention and I'll leave a dollar with your secretary to pay for the coffee.
Gate alum

When the new Lafayette Lax Coach steps in, there will have been 4 new head lax coaches hired in the P.L. in a little over a year: Colgate, Holy Cross, Lafayette and Navy. Although the circumstances are different in each case, I think that ultimately this will further upgrade the quality of competition within the P.L. and the competitive position of P.L. mens lax on the national scene.
RichH

PL is returning a ton of top national players in Baum, Thul, Pollion etc , etc,  Bogie was on the $$$   earlier this year when he said PL was a top lax conference. We will be again next year and hopefully beyond
Bogus Megapardus

Gate alum wrote:
When the new Lafayette Lax Coach steps in, there will have been 4 new head lax coaches hired in the P.L. in a little over a year: Colgate, Holy Cross, Lafayette and Navy. Although the circumstances are different in each case, I think that ultimately this will further upgrade the quality of competition within the P.L. and the competitive position of P.L. mens lax on the national scene.


At Colgate, Jim Nagle's defection to Stony Brook still remains a mystery.  I guess he though it was an upgrade in term of recruiting and scholarships.  My guess is that Stony Brook paid him the big bucks, too.  Mike Murphy has done an outstanding job in his first year, hasn't he?  

NCAA Quarterfinals - Colgate vs. Duke at PPL Park in Chester, PA, Sunday at 2:30 PM.  Live on ESPNU and ESPN3.  GO RAIDERS!
Bogus Megapardus

RichH wrote:
PL is returning a ton of top national players in Baum, Thul, Pollion etc , etc,  Bogie was on the $$$   earlier this year when he said PL was a top lax conference. We will be again next year and hopefully beyond


I think only carney2 doubted the PL lacrosse juggernaut!

The ACC teams clearly are the best, collectively.  But remember, you can't count the ACC as a "conference."  Only four ACC teams play lacrosse, it doesn't have an autobid, and the NCAA does not regard the ACC as a "conference" for tournament purposes. In addition, Hopkins is an independent.  

So the comparisons for "top conferences" in lax are the Big East, ECAC, Ivy, Patriot and CAA.  There isn't a huge statistical RPI/PR difference, top to bottom, between those conferences.  All the teams in each of the top conferences (yes, even Lafayette!) have a LaxPower Power Ranking over 90.  But if you consider the number of actual tournament-contending teams this year from each of those conferences (and if you disregard the ACC), an argument can be made that the PL is the best of them.
Gate alum

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Gate alum wrote:
When the new Lafayette Lax Coach steps in, there will have been 4 new head lax coaches hired in the P.L. in a little over a year: Colgate, Holy Cross, Lafayette and Navy. Although the circumstances are different in each case, I think that ultimately this will further upgrade the quality of competition within the P.L. and the competitive position of P.L. mens lax on the national scene.


At Colgate, Jim Nagle's defection to Stony Brook still remains a mystery.  I guess he though it was an upgrade in term of recruiting and scholarships.  My guess is that Stony Brook paid him the big bucks, too.  Mike Murphy has done an outstanding job in his first year, hasn't he?  

NCAA Quarterfinals - Colgate vs. Duke at PPL Park in Chester, PA, Sunday at 2:30 PM.  Live on ESPNU and ESPN3.  GO RAIDERS!


Jim Nagle grew up on Long Island and went to high school not far from Stony Brook itself. His parents still live there. That apparently was a significant part of the decision. He was responsible for nearly the best cumulative record of any men's lax coach in Colgate's 90 years of playing the sport, ( 2002-11, W.86-L. 64 ). Nagle's .573 career win % over 10 years was slightly exceeded by Harvey Potter's .583 11 year stint from 1955-65.
Murphy inherited a program in very good shape, assembled an excellent coaching staff and got buy-in from the players. A very positive transition so far.
Bogus Megapardus

Gate alum wrote:

Jim Nagle grew up on Long Island and went to high school not far from Stony Brook itself. His parents still live there. That apparently was a significant part of the decision. He was responsible for nearly the best cumulative record of any men's lax coach in Colgate's 90 years of playing the sport, ( 2002-11, W.86-L. 64 ). Nagle's .573 career win % over 10 years was slightly exceeded by Harvey Potter's .583 11 year stint from 1955-65.
Murphy inherited a program in very good shape, assembled an excellent coaching staff and got buy-in from the players. A very positive transition so far.


One of Nagle's assistants (Jeff Cohen) went on to be the head coach at DIII Clark University and he has done well there.  Have any other Nagle assistants had similar success?  It wouldn't surprise me.  Just a thought.
Bogus Megapardus

PardsLax wrote:

A few guys I think could be great hires for any open position

Kevin Warne, Assistant coach Maryland: 4 of the last 5 years his defenses have been top 10 in the nation in GAA. Has worked for 2 programs that have great reputations while he was there and coached under a great head coach.

Andrew Copelan, Head coach Fairfield: 2 straight years in the ECAC finals and beating tournament bound Denver is a pretty good couple season at Fairfield after a couple of bad seasons before he got there.

Matt Brown, Associate head coach Denver: Obviously the hiring of Bill Tierney has helped the Pioneer program grow and help recruiting, but a lot of these players going to the quarterfinals were already there. Coach Brown has been there since 2007 and helped that program grow into a formidable force.

Greg Raymond, Assistant coach Princeton: Mainly in charge of the defense which has been very tough the past few years (maybe helped by the top one on one defender and goalie in the country), but never the less, I will be surprised if anyone can point to too many losses due to Princeton defensive schemes.

Matt Rewkowski Assistant coach Cornell: Offensive coordinator for an offense who was ninth in the country without arguably the best player playing but 2 games. Obviously it wasn't the type of season the Big Red hoped for but it was impressive none the less.


These are excellent names.  Matt Rewkowski has the pedigree, for sure.  And Raymond at Princeton, which always has an exceptional defense, might work.  Rewkowski and Raymond were teammates at Hopkins and played for Dave Pietramala.  Both were on National Championship teams.  Both played professional lacrosse as well.

Like no other sport, lacrosse is a game of possession.  The Pards have exceptionally skilled offensive players but it seems as if they rarely are able to gain control in the offensive end, make their substitutions and establish their sets.  When they do, they're terrific.  

So Lafayette needs defense, and needs it badly.  Defensive size, agility and power has to improve, and we need schemes and sets that can disrupt the top teams the way Lehigh, Bucknell, Colgate and Navy are able to do.  And I'll stop griping about the clears someday but for gawdsake we were just awful.  This not just the long poles but the defensive Middies as well.  If we can't clear the ball and make our transitions with the speed and certainty required of DI lacrosse, we're never even going to give our sharpshooting Attack a chance.

So a guy like Princeton's Greg Raymond might be just the right choice, provided he has the temperament to be a head coach and can get the players to "buy in" the way Murphy has done at Colgate.
carney2

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
I think only carney2 doubted the PL lacrosse juggernaut!


Never doubted.  Never cared.
cr

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Gate alum wrote:

Jim Nagle grew up on Long Island and went to high school not far from Stony Brook itself. His parents still live there. That apparently was a significant part of the decision. He was responsible for nearly the best cumulative record of any men's lax coach in Colgate's 90 years of playing the sport, ( 2002-11, W.86-L. 64 ). Nagle's .573 career win % over 10 years was slightly exceeded by Harvey Potter's .583 11 year stint from 1955-65.
Murphy inherited a program in very good shape, assembled an excellent coaching staff and got buy-in from the players. A very positive transition so far.


One of Nagle's assistants (Jeff Cohen) went on to be the head coach at DIII Clark University and he has done well there.  Have any other Nagle assistants had similar success?  It wouldn't surprise me.  Just a thought.


Jeff is a good guy and would be a good candidate for the pards. I believe he was a good recruiter as well.
Gate alum

cr wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Gate alum wrote:

Jim Nagle grew up on Long Island and went to high school not far from Stony Brook itself. His parents still live there. That apparently was a significant part of the decision. He was responsible for nearly the best cumulative record of any men's lax coach in Colgate's 90 years of playing the sport, ( 2002-11, W.86-L. 64 ). Nagle's .573 career win % over 10 years was slightly exceeded by Harvey Potter's .583 11 year stint from 1955-65.
Murphy inherited a program in very good shape, assembled an excellent coaching staff and got buy-in from the players. A very positive transition so far.


One of Nagle's assistants (Jeff Cohen) went on to be the head coach at DIII Clark University and he has done well there.  Have any other Nagle assistants had similar success?  It wouldn't surprise me.  Just a thought.


Jeff is a good guy and would be a good candidate for the pards. I believe he was a good recruiter as well.


Jim's two other assistants from Colgate are still assistants with him at Stony Brook
PardsLax

I can't take credit for this suggestion but Brian Dougherty would be an intriguing candidate:  www.griffinathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=162&path=mlax
Long Time Fan

Lafayette should be in the upper echelon of Patriot League lacrosse.  This is a plumb job and should attract some terrific potential candidates, provided the school commits to the program.  If not, I'm afraid may be status quo and that would be sad.[/quote]

"Provided the school commits to the Program".

Lafayette??  Commit to a sports program?!!
65Pard

I nominate Tony Resch....

Tony Resch was the head coach of the Philadelphia Barrage of Major League Lacrosse. Resch graduated from Yale University, where he was a two-time All-American and three-time All-Ivy League player. He is the former head coach of the Philadelphia Wings of the National Lacrosse League from 1994 to 2001, and led the Wings to four Championships. Resch was named to the NLL Hall of Fame in 2008.[1]

Resch also won a gold medal in the 1990 World Lacrosse Championship held in Perth, Australia as a member of Team USA.

He is currently the Athletic Director for La Salle College High School, in Wyndmoor, Pennsylvania. He also serves as Defensive Co-ordinator for the La Salle Lacrosse team, and assistant to head coach Bill Leahy, and former coach Charles Cirelli. He resides in Flourtown, Pennsylvania with his wife, Mary, and his three sons, Patrick, Brendan, and Conor.

Tony is also my nephew].
RichH

Any scuttlebutt on HC search? I understand lax recruiting much different than football. Is it done for this year ? Or do coaches concentrate more on soph and jrs?
LafLax

Whoever becomes the new HC will hopefully already have a short list of rising juniors and seniors that he has been watching. (Perhaps had been recruiting for his current school?)  Will be critical to get the new coach in quickly, prior to this year's summer camp season, so he can recruit heavily this summer.  Great story to tell.  Great School, Great League, New Coach, Commitment to The Program.  But I digress.  

Anyone have thoughts on Richie Meade?  Clearly he knows how to recruit and win in The Patriot League.
Bogus Megapardus

Boston University has decided to elevate its club program to Division I starting in 2013 and is actively seeking a head coach.  It will be interesting to see how Boston U. goes about it as compared to Lafayette.

Richie Meade?  Interesting.  He's been around a long time and he has the pedigree.  Seventeen years at Navy going 142-97 and making the NCAA Tournament six times, once bringing the Mids to the NCAA championship game.  Meade was a candidate for the North Carolina head position but he said he was not interested; that he preferred to remain at Navy.  Meade was forced out at Navy after two mediocre seasons, he probably did not deserve it.  He certainly knows the recruiting trail.  I would not be adverse to this decision.
LafLax

And perhaps a bit motivated to beat Navy?  And if you can beat Navy year in and year out in the Patriot Leauge, I would say you were doing something right.  Further, he has recruited kids the caliber that Lafayette should recruit.  Good kids, good students, disciplined etc.  How could we go wrong?
bison137

Meade at the moment is the head coach of the U.S. national lacrosse team - which is a two-year commitment - and he is also still a full professor at the USNA, which probably carries a pretty good salary.    I doubt an offer from LC would persuade him to give up those two jobs.
leopard88

How about this name for consideration?

Current UMBC Assistant/Former Binghamton Head Coach -- Ed Stephenson

http://www.umbcsportsblog.com/201...ns-lacrosse-associate-head-coach/

He has a proven track record as both an assistant and head coach.  He essentially built the Binghamton program from scratch . . . which might make the LC job look easy by comparison.

I would also toss out the name Tony Seaman.  However, he certainly doesn't fit the "young, hungry, looking to make a name for himself" profile that everyone seems to have in mind . . . and presumably would command a relatively hefty salary.
Bogus Megapardus

LafLax wrote:

Anyone have thoughts on Richie Meade?

leopard88 wrote:

I would also toss out the name Tony Seaman.


Bill Tierney Reacts to the Firings of Tony Seaman, Richie Meade
PardsLax

[quote="bison137:25287"]Meade at the moment is the head coach of the U.S. national lacrosse team - which is a two-year commitment - and he is also still a full professor at the USNA, which probably carries a pretty good salary.    I doubt an offer from LC would persuade him to give up those two jobs.[/quote]

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...furmans-first-mens-lacrosse-coach
Franks Tanks

PardsLax wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Meade at the moment is the head coach of the U.S. national lacrosse team - which is a two-year commitment - and he is also still a full professor at the USNA, which probably carries a pretty good salary.    I doubt an offer from LC would persuade him to give up those two jobs.


http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...furmans-first-mens-lacrosse-coach


Meade went to Furman which of course is a D-I start up program.  Maybe he choose Furman for the unique challenge and opportunity it presents, or maybe he just really loves SC.  It is reasonable that he would've looked at the Lafayette job if he felt the proper resources were in place.
Bogus Megapardus

I didn't even know that Furman was staring lacrosse.  Good for them.  Maybe they could start a trend in the SoCon.

I would imagine that Furman has had its sights set on Meade for a while.  Lafayette's need for a coach is very recent.  Were I Richie Meade, I'd certainly think that the Lafayette job would be more attractive (top conference, knows opponents, don't have to schedule as an independent, 100 year lax tradition), but it's likely moot if Meade already has agreed to the Furman job.

On the other hand, if Meade hasn't actually signed yet . . . .
LafLax

I don't disagree but there may be something to working with new programs like Furman and High Point.  IE:  Funding, facilities and let's not forget climate.  Easton is beautiful, but it sure ain't the Carolinas in the early Spring.  

Hopefully Lafayette can address funding and facilities but not sure anything can be done about the weather.....unless you are that powerful.
LafLax

An interesting read......Like I said, facilities and funding - attract coaches and players.

http://www.furmanpaladins.com/spo...s/2011-12/releases/20120209k5wv7y
Bogus Megapardus

LafLax wrote:
I don't disagree but there may be something to working with new programs like Furman and High Point.  IE:  Funding, facilities and let's not forget climate.  Easton is beautiful, but it sure ain't the Carolinas in the early Spring.  

Hopefully Lafayette can address funding and facilities but not sure anything can be done about the weather.....unless you are that powerful.


The weather affects all northeast programs, of course.  I've been to a lot of the venues, but there's nothing quite like the wind and raw bite of a driving rain at Metzgar for a night game in early March.  And the wind.  Did I mention the wind?

Facilities - We all know that Metzgar looks shop-worn and tired.  The Rappolt surface is OK - lots of lax teams play on Astro.  But it's a pain for fans.  No bathrooms and the stands are much too far from the action.  The base of the stands ought to be literally at the very edge of the playing surface - abut 15 yards closer than it is now - and the stands should be on the other side of the field, facing east, so at least people's backs are to the wind.  You could even hang a maroon tarp behind east-facing stands to block the wind.

All it would mean would be pouring a new pad and moving the existing bleachers to the other side.  Not a costly proposition, and it would improve the fan experience immeasurably for all three sports that are played at Rappolt.
Gate alum

LafLax wrote:
An interesting read......Like I said, facilities and funding - attract coaches and players.

http://www.furmanpaladins.com/spo...s/2011-12/releases/20120209k5wv7y


The Furman decision is interesting, particularly in initiating a men's lax program in Division I. One of the reasons why I'm bullish on the P.L.'s potential to become more competitive in mens lax on the national scene is the difficulty of starting new programs. Title IX financial parity in womens sports is a major obstacle for introducing new mens programs . As an independent private LAC in the south, developing a niche like this is clearly a coup.
But, it seems consistent with the support for athletics that these schools seem to enjoy. I never knew that much about Furman and the Southern Conference in my undergraduate days. It seems that the Southern Conference private LAC's and CAA schools like W&M, Richmond are very much like Patriot League schools in that they're small private schools with good academics playing div. 1 sports. What explains the strength of support for their athletic programs ? Is the culture of the South more supportive of athletics ? Are these small private LAC's somewhat immune to "Ivy-envy?"  Without knowing their histories, I'd guess they never experienced the second guessing of their sports traditions by faculty and administrators like many P.L. schools have in the last few decades ? Anybody know ?
Pard4Life

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
LafLax wrote:
I don't disagree but there may be something to working with new programs like Furman and High Point.  IE:  Funding, facilities and let's not forget climate.  Easton is beautiful, but it sure ain't the Carolinas in the early Spring.  

Hopefully Lafayette can address funding and facilities but not sure anything can be done about the weather.....unless you are that powerful.


The weather affects all northeast programs, of course.  I've been to a lot of the venues, but there's nothing quite like the wind and raw bite of a driving rain at Metzgar for a night game in early March.  And the wind.  Did I mention the wind?

Facilities - We all know that Metzgar looks shop-worn and tired.  The Rappolt surface is OK - lots of lax teams play on Astro.  But it's a pain for fans.  No bathrooms and the stands are much too far from the action.  The base of the stands ought to be literally at the very edge of the playing surface - abut 15 yards closer than it is now - and the stands should be on the other side of the field, facing east, so at least people's backs are to the wind.  You could even hang a maroon tarp behind east-facing stands to block the wind.

All it would mean would be pouring a new pad and moving the existing bleachers to the other side.  Not a costly proposition, and it would improve the fan experience immeasurably for all three sports that are played at Rappolt.


Bogie, as a recruit, I wouldn't care one bit if there nice stands and bathrooms for the fans.  I think Metzger is pretty good, but some improvements are needed, mainly parking, and that fence is unsightly.

The lax facilities would be a major improvement to all teams if they planted some trees around the field.  Not evergreens, but those bushy bushes that you plant that can grow pretty tall and don't create a mess (yes real helpful I know).  It would cut down on the wind.

Xboreturns

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
LafLax wrote:
I don't disagree but there may be something to working with new programs like Furman and High Point.  IE:  Funding, facilities and let's not forget climate.  Easton is beautiful, but it sure ain't the Carolinas in the early Spring.  

Hopefully Lafayette can address funding and facilities but not sure anything can be done about the weather.....unless you are that powerful.


The weather affects all northeast programs, of course.  I've been to a lot of the venues, but there's nothing quite like the wind and raw bite of a driving rain at Metzgar for a night game in early March.  And the wind.  Did I mention the wind?

Facilities - We all know that Metzgar looks shop-worn and tired.  The Rappolt surface is OK - lots of lax teams play on Astro.  But it's a pain for fans.  No bathrooms and the stands are much too far from the action.  The base of the stands ought to be literally at the very edge of the playing surface - abut 15 yards closer than it is now - and the stands should be on the other side of the field, facing east, so at least people's backs are to the wind.  You could even hang a maroon tarp behind east-facing stands to block the wind.

All it would mean would be pouring a new pad and moving the existing bleachers to the other side.  Not a costly proposition, and it would improve the fan experience immeasurably for all three sports that are played at Rappolt.


I've heard rumors that the stands were being moved to the other side of the field. I have not been able to confirm this but it would be a good idea. The college realized the mistake a few years ago and asked Rapploldt to pay to have them moved. That took a lot of nerve after the way he was treated by them. Rightfully, he refused.
CHC8485

Pard4Life wrote:


The lax facilities would be a major improvement to all teams if they planted some trees around the field.  Not evergreens, but those bushy bushes that you plant that can grow pretty tall and don't create a mess (yes real helpful I know).  It would cut down on the wind.



I believe they shrubs in question are called Arborvitae.

http://www.aboutarborvitae.com/
Bogus Megapardus

Arborvitae tend to suffer in direct wind.
Bogus Megapardus

Furman Names Richie Meade First Men's Head Lacrosse Coach


http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=30666
PardsLax

Has anyone heard any leaks about who is being considered or even brought in for interviews?  I know TPTB want to be thorough but it seems somewhat important to have a coach in place before the summer recruiting season begins.  Then again, what do I know?  Incidentally, on the Coaches page of the Men's Lax section, they have removed Terry ("TBA Head Coach") but left the assistants.  Not sure if this means anything but assuming one of the current assistants doesn't get the job, wouldn't a new head coach name his own assistants?
Bogus Megapardus

Typically the assistants will remain until a new coach arrives, if the wish to do so.  Same thing happened when Tammy Smith left - life goes on for the program.  The assistants have to be there for ongoing recruiting and to run the everyday business of the program.
Xboreturns

PardsLax wrote:
Has anyone heard any leaks about who is being considered or even brought in for interviews?  I know TPTB want to be thorough but it seems somewhat important to have a coach in place before the summer recruiting season begins.  Then again, what do I know?  Incidentally, on the Coaches page of the Men's Lax section, they have removed Terry ("TBA Head Coach") but left the assistants.  Not sure if this means anything but assuming one of the current assistants doesn't get the job, wouldn't a new head coach name his own assistants?


I think their contracts run until July
PardsLax

Interesting interview with the Boston University AD regarding the search for their first men's lax coach:  www.insidelacrosse.com/news/2012/06/07/qa-boston-universitys-coaching-search-aim-hire-coach-mid-june
PardsLax

Another very good insidelacrosse.com article, this one on how Lehigh made the changes needed to get to an elite level and whether their success is sustainable (even quotes Terry):
 
http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...-prove-2012-success-was-no-fluke/
Franks Tanks

PardsLax wrote:
Another very good insidelacrosse.com article, this one on how Lehigh made the changes needed to get to an elite level and whether their success is sustainable (even quotes Terry):
 
http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...-prove-2012-success-was-no-fluke/


Lehigh's lax budget is huge compared to the rest of the PL.  They spend about twice as much as Bucknell and Lafayette, and a significant amount more than Colgate.  I assume it is less than the big boys, but more than enough to field a consistent winner.  If their coach sticks around they can occupy a space below the Lax bluebloods and become a consistent top 15-20 team.  Lehigh Football has always been good, but their success in Lax and basketball has been hard to watch.
bison137

Franks Tanks wrote:
Lehigh's lax budget is huge compared to the rest of the PL.  They spend about twice as much as Bucknell and Lafayette, and a significant amount more than Colgate.  I assume it is less than the big boys, but more than enough to field a consistent winner.  



Repeating some numbers I had posted on a different thread, here are the expenditures on lax, both in 2011 and in 2004, by various PL schools.  The main components would be scholarship money (or other direct athletic aid), coaches' salaries, and recruiting expenses.


Men's Lax: 2003-04 / 2010-11  (000 omitted)

Bucknell 320 / 457
Colgate 651 / 855
HC 222 / 266
Lafayette 205 / 519
Lehigh 402 / 1002


If we assume that $300,000 is a basic expenditure for coaches and recruiting, then LU's scholarship money would come to about $700,000, meaning their program is close to being fully funded.     With the same assumption, CU would have about 10 full scholarships at present.
Bogus Megapardus

In light of Boston University aggressively seeking a head coach, and with Furman's hiring of Richie Meade, I have no idea if we have begun our "national search" for a new head coach, or if we've done anything at all for that matter.  It remains a mystery to me if the Boston University and Furman situations even are on the AD's radar.  Furman's hiring of Meade at least ought to be an eye-opener.
seenalot

Bruce...."eye opener" ..... surely you jest.

Arguably our best coaching hires in recent years - neither too recent to be fair - were in Womens Soccer and Womens FH.   Both of them were top assistants at big time programs.  

Happy if he takes that approach here, just wondering what progress has been made while others grab recruits for coming seasons.
LCPL'98

Head Coach

I think targeting an alumni would be a great step in finding a new coach.  If there is one that could fit the bill...look at the success at Loyola this year.  Head Coach was an alum.  Pride in the program and pride in where you come from.
Franks Tanks

Re: Head Coach

LCPL'98 wrote:
I think targeting an alumni would be a great step in finding a new coach.  If there is one that could fit the bill...look at the success at Loyola this year.  Head Coach was an alum.  Pride in the program and pride in where you come from.


Welcome LCPL.  Are you aware of any Lafayette alums who are currently college LAX coaches?
PardsLax

Interesting development that I think will be good for the PL (sorry, not related to thread topic):

www.goleopards.com/genrel/061512aab.html
LafLax

Does anyone know BU's funding status?  Will they have scholarships?  If so, this will really accelerate their recruiting.  As well as make it continually tough for the Pards to compete.
Pard4Life

LafLax wrote:
Does anyone know BU's funding status?  Will they have scholarships?  If so, this will really accelerate their recruiting.  As well as make it continually tough for the Pards to compete.


We can barely "compete" against what we face now.

This is somewhat prophetic considering BU does not have a varsity men's team, and will not until their first season in the league.  However, they are getting a nice facility, but it's on top of a parking garage.

http://www.goterriers.com/sports/m-lacros/spec-rel/021412aaa.html
PardsLax

Some chatter that our coaching search is getting close to a conclusion:

www.insidelacrosse.com/news/2012/06/15/sources-dukes-chris-gabrielli-be-providences-next-coach
Pard4Life

On BU's ascension:

“We know football is a big piece of their history, but we know that lacrosse is a big piece of their future,’’ Lynch said. “That’s more of what we were attracted to.’’

We have said that around here for a few years.  Are Markle and Kirby aware??
Bogus Megapardus

Pard4Life wrote:
Are Markle and Kirby aware??


Let's see . . . Lafayette has been playing lacrosse since 1889 and has a history with all of the established teams in the NCAA.  We've been playing at the top collegiate level, against national championship teams (albeit with marginal success), throughout our history.  Our women's team was the national champion in the 1980's.

By contrast, Boston University is just starting up with the game.  But in so doing, Boston U. has managed to secure a $3 mm grant from New Balance for a state-of-the-art lacrosse center.  The Terriers now are on record as viewing lacrosse as "the future."

Nope.  Markle and Kirby (and whoever else) are blissfully unaware.

But Dan Weiss couldn't care less.  He's focused instead on those Haverford games against Ursinus and FDU-Florham.
Lafalum

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
Are Markle and Kirby aware??


Let's see . . . Lafayette has been playing lacrosse since 1889 and has a history with all of the established teams in the NCAA.  We've been playing at the top collegiate level, against national championship teams (albeit with marginal success), throughout our history.  Our women's team was the national champion in the 1980's.

By contrast, Boston University is just starting up with the game.  But in so doing, Boston U. has managed to secure a $3 mm grant from New Balance for a state-of-the-art lacrosse center.  The Terriers now are on record as viewing lacrosse as "the future."

Nope.  Markle and Kirby (and whoever else) are blissfully unaware.



But Dan Weiss couldn't care less.  He's focused instead on those Haverford games against Ursinus and FDU-Florham.


And ridding the campus of fraternities.
Bogus Megapardus

"Boston University will name Yale assistant coach Ryan Polley today as the men’s lacrosse coach for the Terriers’ inaugural season next spring."

http://news.bostonherald.com/spor...ach/srvc=home&position=recent

Not necessarily a "big name."  Played at DIII Merrimack where he later became Head Coach.  Polley did a remarkable turnaround at Merrimack before going to Yale.


EDIT: sorry - Merrimack is DII (NE-10) not DIII.  It makes a difference.
Bogus Megapardus

As to Lafayette's "nationwide search" for a head coach, this Tweet from Terry Foy at Inside Lacrosse:

"Hearing that jobs at BU, Lafayette and Providence have been turned down at least 4 times collectively. Good is the life of an asst coach."

https://twitter.com/TerenceFoy/status/214862174881984512
Lafalum

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
As to Lafayette's "nationwide search" for a head coach, this Tweet from Terry Foy at Inside Lacrosse:

"Hearing that jobs at BU, Lafayette and Providence have been turned down at least 4 times collectively. Good is the life of an asst coach."

https://twitter.com/TerenceFoy/status/214862174881984512

Gee why would anyone turn down a job in school that play in  a league that has had national champions,  and regularly competes with top ten teams, Maybe its because we pay our asst slave wages, and no scholarships to speak of??
Pard4Life

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
As to Lafayette's "nationwide search" for a head coach, this Tweet from Terry Foy at Inside Lacrosse:

"Hearing that jobs at BU, Lafayette and Providence have been turned down at least 4 times collectively. Good is the life of an asst coach."

https://twitter.com/TerenceFoy/status/214862174881984512


Want to make a bet that we were all four times, or at least three?

It's disappointing... we play in the second-best lacrosse league.  Every team except Holy Cross is a national brand and a threat to make the Final Four.  I guess every coaches' analysis is the same as ours:  bottom feeders.
Franks Tanks

Pard4Life wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
As to Lafayette's "nationwide search" for a head coach, this Tweet from Terry Foy at Inside Lacrosse:

"Hearing that jobs at BU, Lafayette and Providence have been turned down at least 4 times collectively. Good is the life of an asst coach."

https://twitter.com/TerenceFoy/status/214862174881984512


Want to make a bet that we were all four times, or at least three?

It's disappointing... we play in the second-best lacrosse league.  Every team except Holy Cross is a national brand and a threat to make the Final Four.  I guess every coaches' analysis is the same as ours:  bottom feeders.


If I were in my mid-40's or so I would take the job (assuming I am qualified of course). Win 2-6 games a year with no pressure, and get paid a good salary for the profession. Last 12-15 years and then retire.  Good deal.
Lafalum

Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
As to Lafayette's "nationwide search" for a head coach, this Tweet from Terry Foy at Inside Lacrosse:

"Hearing that jobs at BU, Lafayette and Providence have been turned down at least 4 times collectively. Good is the life of an asst coach."

https://twitter.com/TerenceFoy/status/214862174881984512


Want to make a bet that we were all four times, or at least three?

It's disappointing... we play in the second-best lacrosse league.  Every team except Holy Cross is a national brand and a threat to make the Final Four.  I guess every coaches' analysis is the same as ours:  bottom feeders.


If I were in my mid-40's or so I would take the job (assuming I am qualified of course). Win 2-6 games a year with no pressure, and get paid a good salary for the profession. Last 12-15 years and then retire.  Good deal.


We do have a new administrator/business manager. I wonder if that was the result of a national search??
seenalot

I am certain the bean counter was a heavily recruited and certainly worthy of a "headline" on goleopards.  Am sure he is getting 6 figures but the guys who provide some of the opportunity to count his beans and put them in the right buckets (ie asst coaches) dont get dreck - makes perfect sense to me.   Tell me we actually NEED someone with that much experience to be added in that capacity.

Last night I found myself almost wishing we went D3 a few years ago - just to make it stop.

This is death by a thousand cuts.  

As for a Lax coach maybe we are searching for the 2012 version of Butch VBK.  Some "big" name coach marinating in a high school gig who wants one more whoorah......but then again, what chance would he have here.  

Another recruiting season circling the toilet bowl.....I feel for the kids in the program, with this bunch of numnutz at the helm.
TheRock90

This makes perefect sense. Its the Lafayette way. We don't have enough money to properly fund most of our sports and we hire someone tell us that at a cost of $100,000 +/-, thereby further draining the budget.
Pard4Life

It's no big deal... they can just hit up some alumni to fund the search.  Oh wait... you mean that the alumni were treated as a bunch of suckers after funding teams and programs... and they are staying away?  Umm...
Lafalum

Pard4Life wrote:
It's no big deal... they can just hit up some alumni to fund the search.  Oh wait... you mean that the alumni were treated as a bunch of suckers after funding teams and programs... and they are staying away?  Umm...


Maybe he's related to Weis or Ahart that would make the most sense? I wonder how many bean counters made it to division 1 athletic  web sites in the last 10 years??
LafLax

Wonder what the issues truly are and why we can't find a coach.  Do the "Powers that be" realize that this is absolutely critical recruiting time.  Not having a coach in place now will set the team back for 2014 and 2015.  These kids are committing now.  Even before a recruit asks, "Where do we go for Fall Ball" - oops...nowhere, "How many pairs of shoes do I get?" - bring your own.  The kid wants to know who the coach will be.  This is getting a little silly.
Lafalum

LafLax wrote:
Wonder what the issues truly are and why we can't find a coach.  Do the "Powers that be" realize that this is absolutely critical recruiting time.  Not having a coach in place now will set the team back for 2014 and 2015.  These kids are committing now.  Even before a recruit asks, "Where do we go for Fall Ball" - oops...nowhere, "How many pairs of shoes do I get?" - bring your own.  The kid wants to know who the coach will be.  This is getting a little silly.


Hey guys its vacation time..what do you want! The people working are the conduct committees day and night, digging into garbage cans, searching email servers, examining drone and satellite imaginary for cans of beer in the hands of fraternity brothers so they can convene double secret kangaroo courts to rid of the scourge of the greek system. We now know where Waldo is!! He's planting grass directing the war on terror( greek system), and interviewing accountants to help us win more patriot league championships.
Pard4Life

Probably because he's from the NFL.  My first reaction was how is this position unique?  Is it necesary?  I don't know much about athletic administration, but it doesn't seem like we need a position such as this at a school out size.  Our athletic budget is a paltry $15mm.  Shouldnt the associate ADs be doing this?  I'd rather give the money to double the lacrosse coaching salary.
Bogus Megapardus

Lafalum wrote:
We now know where Waldo is!!



LCPL'98

Time is running out

One week left before Coaches can "officially" start calling those recruits.  Anyone have an idea when we are planning to announce that coach?
Andy

Calling?  Lehigh  already has 11 2013 verbal commitments, Colgate 6, Bucknell 4.  Many committed as HS sophs.
Lafalum

Andy wrote:
Calling?  Lehigh  already has 11 2013 verbal commitments, Colgate 6, Bucknell 4.  Many committed as HS sophs.


So what.... we got a bean counter from the NFL. Boy is Lehigh stupid.... signing players while we got the bean counter!
seenalot

Death by a thousand cuts .......

- Diddle around with hiring a coach  
- Let the assistant coaches hang  
- Ignore recruits
- Piss off the alumni base in seemingly any way possible
- Bring in someone who is likely pulling down a decent $ to manage something that can/should be done at a lower level with AD or AAD oversight
- Diddle around with either announcing or processing hoops recruits

Reminds me of the petulant child who wants to get back at his parents for having been made to do something - ie football scholarships.  And then letting the child stay in position for a year without calling him on it.....

LUNACY - and as far as I am concerned being done with absolute intent.  And the only group with power to stop it is a BOT who has demonstrated it is 100% tone def. and has DECIDED its ok to have a lame duck president - something NONE of them would allow in their own firms or companies.
carney2

seenalot wrote:
Death by a thousand cuts .......

- Diddle around with hiring a coach  
- Let the assistant coaches hang  
- Ignore recruits
- Piss off the alumni base in seemingly any way possible
- Bring in someone who is likely pulling down a decent $ to manage something that can/should be done at a lower level with AD or AAD oversight
- Diddle around with either announcing or processing hoops recruits

Reminds me of the petulant child who wants to get back at his parents for having been made to do something - ie football scholarships.  And then letting the child stay in position for a year without calling him on it.....

LUNACY - and as far as I am concerned being done with absolute intent.  And the only group with power to stop it is a BOT who has demonstrated it is 100% tone def. and has DECIDED its ok to have a lame duck president - something NONE of them would allow in their own firms or companies.


"Calm down.  It's only athletics."

                              D. Weiss
LafLax

Wonder where the Pards are going?  

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...n-francisco-fall-lacrosse-classic
Bogus Megapardus

LafLax wrote:
Wonder where the Pards are going?  

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...n-francisco-fall-lacrosse-classic


What's more, LafLax, will the Pards be playing fall ball at all this year?  They didn't last year.
LafLax

That was kind of my point.  Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program.  Parents look at the quality of the education and the cost.  Kids look at uniforms, facilities, equipment and Fallball Trips.  In the PL, Lafayette is competing for a unique type of kid.  A good student, financial ability to pay for school and good lacrosse players.  This makes for a somewhat narrow pool of potential recruits.  These are also the same kids that the Ivies are going after as well as the other schools in the PL.  If a kid is going to choose between say Lehigh, and a chance go play in San Fran and Lafayette, all other things being relatively equal, where do you suppose the kid will go?   And I almost forgot, the kid also wants to know who the coach is.
Pard4Life

LafLax wrote:
Wonder where the Pards are going?  

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...n-francisco-fall-lacrosse-classic


Probably to St. John's or Wagner to play Yale or some other NEC bottom feeders.   I think Yale was our last trip.

Lehigh was successful because they took initiative.  During the NCAA tournament, LU's coach was a studio co-host and said that a major key to their success this season was he and the staff spent some time at UDenver and their legendary coach (Bill Tierney?).  More evidence of making moves at LU...

Like the basketball outcome at Lehigh, we are moving in the wrong direction.
PardsLax

Tick-tock.  I was expecting an announcement today (for no rationale reason) but the longer this drags out, the more I'm steeling myself for an announcement that after an exhaustive national search, they found their man right in their backyard - current defensive coordinator Jason Fautas, i.e., rejections to all their offers (nothing against Coach Fautas).  I'm all for doing this right but Geez Louise.

UPDATE:  Someone on the laxpower forum stated that Fautas has accepted a head coach position at a new DII program in Ohio but is still on staff until July 1.
The Maroon

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
LafLax wrote:
Wonder where the Pards are going?  

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...n-francisco-fall-lacrosse-classic


What's more, LafLax, will the Pards be playing fall ball at all this year?  They didn't last year.


We didn't play fall ball? WHY? I know zip about Lacrosse - but I know that fall ball is so standard it's only worth noting if you DON'T have it.

As for the coaching search...Again I know zip...But I'm starting to wonder if our first choice didn't turn us down. Mangan's departure looked pre-arranged. Well heck, it WAS pre-arranged..and my gut feeling is Bruce knew about it well before the season was over so I have to HOPE he had an idea of who he wanted to go after.

But honestly - why no fall ball? High school teams play fall ball.
Lafalum

PardsLax wrote:
Tick-tock.  I was expecting an announcement today (for no rationale reason) but the longer this drags out, the more I'm steeling myself for an announcement that after an exhaustive national search, they found their man right in their backyard - current defensive coordinator Jason Fautas, i.e., rejections to all their offers (nothing against Coach Fautas).  I'm all for doing this right but Geez Louise.

EDIT:  Someone on the laxpower forum stated that Fautas has accepted a position at a DII school in Ohio (unconfirmed) so perhaps my fears are unfounded.


So we have no lacrosse coaches at all now.....did they belong to a fraternity?? Wink
Franks Tanks

The Maroon wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
LafLax wrote:
Wonder where the Pards are going?  

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...n-francisco-fall-lacrosse-classic


What's more, LafLax, will the Pards be playing fall ball at all this year?  They didn't last year.


We didn't play fall ball? WHY? I know zip about Lacrosse - but I know that fall ball is so standard it's only worth noting if you DON'T have it.

As for the coaching search...Again I know zip...But I'm starting to wonder if our first choice didn't turn us down. Mangan's departure looked pre-arranged. Well heck, it WAS pre-arranged..and my gut feeling is Bruce knew about it well before the season was over so I have to HOPE he had an idea of who he wanted to go after.

But honestly - why no fall ball? High school teams play fall ball.


Your assessment is very logical, which makes the extended search more baffling.  Did we low ball a candidate in the way of salary? It would be just like us to offer a below market salary for the position.
LafLax

You know whets additionally problematic?  The current team is young with a lot of talent.  I would imagine that a coach would want to take on this program.  It's not like the cupboard is bare.  I can only speculate why it's taking so long and I don't think the reasons are good….

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