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We have recently seen additions to our little online community from what would appear current students who will graduate this year. I'm curious as to how many generations of Lafayette loyalists we span. I assume there is no one on the board younger than a graduation year of 2008. Is that correct? On the flip side...just how old do we go? Carney, for instance...if you were going to change your user name to include your graduation year what would your new name be? I don't mean to pry...all of this recent talk about how the youngsters of the board don't have the same frame of reference as we who suffered the Dark Years has me thinking...just how many frames of reference are represented on this board?
As for me...I graduated in 94. I remeber a Lafayette where football players were not only allowed to join fraternities it was almost a given. You were either a T-Delt or a FIJI. Our football team saw a swing from 4-7 to 8-3. I was there for the last year of kegs being allowed in fraternities (my freshman year) and I never knew a time where you weren't allowed to drink in fraternities. I had two years of the Leopards Lair (pre Farinon) and 2 years of the beautiful (if not overly neon) Farinon Center. A shift I might add that completely shifted the "balance of power" from one side of the campus to the other. Gates and Mckeen became the "cool" dorms while South started a slow decline. I suffered through the presidential administrations of Rotberg and Rothkopf. I had a Brother Word Processor in my dorm room and I was considered cutting edge for having that. You could not get any research done without going to the library as the interent was in its very infancy. Professor Tunstall's class on the Vietnam War was probably the most popular class on campus. Geology (Rocks for Jocks) was a guranteed easy A. Woman's Flag Football was started and quickly became THE intramural for women...much to the delight of the woman participants and the male spectators. Needless to say Fisher Field was just that...a field with some very uncomfortable seating (circa 1930) around it. Lafayette was squarely a football school when I was there. The basketball team had not achieved much at that point.
That's the Lafayette I remember. Anyone else care to share?
Franks Tanks
Re: Memory Lane...
Pard94 wrote:
We have recently seen additions to our little online community from what would appear current students who will graduate this year. I'm curious as to how many generations of Lafayette loyalists we span. I assume there is no one on the board younger than a graduation year of 2008. Is that correct? On the flip side...just how old do we go? Carney, for instance...if you were going to change your user name to include your graduation year what would your new name be? I don't mean to pry...all of this recent talk about how the youngsters of the board don't have the same frame of reference as we who suffered the Dark Years has me thinking...just how many frames of reference are represented on this board?
As for me...I graduated in 94. I remeber a Lafayette where football players were not only allowed to join fraternities it was almost a given. You were either a T-Delt or a FIJI. Our football team saw a swing from 4-7 to 8-3. I was there for the last year of kegs being allowed in fraternities (my freshman year) and I never knew a time where you weren't allowed to drink in fraternities. I had two years of the Leopards Lair (pre Farinon) and 2 years of the beautiful (if not overly neon) Farinon Center. A shift I might add that completely shifted the "balance of power" from one side of the campus to the other. Gates and Mckeen became the "cool" dorms while South started a slow decline. I suffered through the presidential administrations of Rotberg and Rothkopf. I had a Brother Word Processor in my dorm room and I was considered cutting edge for having that. You could not get any research done without going to the library as the interent was in its very infancy. Professor Tunstall's class on the Vietnam War was probably the most popular class on campus. Geology (Rocks for Jocks) was a guranteed easy A. Woman's Flag Football was started and quickly became THE intramural for women...much to the delight of the woman participants and the male spectators. Needless to say Fisher Field was just that...a field with some very uncomfortable seating (circa 1930) around it. Lafayette was squarely a football school when I was there. The basketball team had not achieved much at that point.
That's the Lafayette I remember. Anyone else care to share?
I graduated in 2003. My senior year was our 7-5 team that beta Lehigh for the first time in 7 years. Hoops were still king at the time but you could feel a shift coming that footbal would be on top again.
I went through a lot of change on campus. My freshman year we still have raging parties in frat houses on Saturday nights and most of the team members were Fiji's of T-delts. By me senior year it was almost unheard of to have any party at the frat house--everything off campus . T-Delt was gone and Fiji has virtually no football players after my class, the fraternity days were over for FB players and the social activities also drastically changed. We heard stories of the days Pard 94 lived through and were jealous. We had fun but it required more work to plan it.
What do the kids do now? off campus housing is now ever forbidden.
Franks Tanks
Re: Memory Lane...
Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
We have recently seen additions to our little online community from what would appear current students who will graduate this year. I'm curious as to how many generations of Lafayette loyalists we span. I assume there is no one on the board younger than a graduation year of 2008. Is that correct? On the flip side...just how old do we go? Carney, for instance...if you were going to change your user name to include your graduation year what would your new name be? I don't mean to pry...all of this recent talk about how the youngsters of the board don't have the same frame of reference as we who suffered the Dark Years has me thinking...just how many frames of reference are represented on this board?
As for me...I graduated in 94. I remeber a Lafayette where football players were not only allowed to join fraternities it was almost a given. You were either a T-Delt or a FIJI. Our football team saw a swing from 4-7 to 8-3. I was there for the last year of kegs being allowed in fraternities (my freshman year) and I never knew a time where you weren't allowed to drink in fraternities. I had two years of the Leopards Lair (pre Farinon) and 2 years of the beautiful (if not overly neon) Farinon Center. A shift I might add that completely shifted the "balance of power" from one side of the campus to the other. Gates and Mckeen became the "cool" dorms while South started a slow decline. I suffered through the presidential administrations of Rotberg and Rothkopf. I had a Brother Word Processor in my dorm room and I was considered cutting edge for having that. You could not get any research done without going to the library as the interent was in its very infancy. Professor Tunstall's class on the Vietnam War was probably the most popular class on campus. Geology (Rocks for Jocks) was a guranteed easy A. Woman's Flag Football was started and quickly became THE intramural for women...much to the delight of the woman participants and the male spectators. Needless to say Fisher Field was just that...a field with some very uncomfortable seating (circa 1930) around it. Lafayette was squarely a football school when I was there. The basketball team had not achieved much at that point.
That's the Lafayette I remember. Anyone else care to share?
I graduated in 2003. My senior year was our 7-5 team that beat Lehigh for the first time in 7 years. Hoops were still king at the time but you could feel a shift coming that footbal would be on top again.
I went through a lot of change on campus. My freshman year we still had raging parties in frat houses on Saturday nights and most of the team members were Fiji's of T-delts. By me senior year it was almost unheard of to have any party at the frat house--everything off campus . T-Delt was gone and Fiji had virtually no football players after my class, the fraternity days were over for FB players and the social activities also drastically changed. We heard stories of the days Pard 94 lived through and were jealous. We had fun but it required more work to plan it.
What do the kids do now that off campus housing is forbidde? .
Pard94
Re: Memory Lane...
Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
We have recently seen additions to our little online community from what would appear current students who will graduate this year. I'm curious as to how many generations of Lafayette loyalists we span. I assume there is no one on the board younger than a graduation year of 2008. Is that correct? On the flip side...just how old do we go? Carney, for instance...if you were going to change your user name to include your graduation year what would your new name be? I don't mean to pry...all of this recent talk about how the youngsters of the board don't have the same frame of reference as we who suffered the Dark Years has me thinking...just how many frames of reference are represented on this board?
As for me...I graduated in 94. I remeber a Lafayette where football players were not only allowed to join fraternities it was almost a given. You were either a T-Delt or a FIJI. Our football team saw a swing from 4-7 to 8-3. I was there for the last year of kegs being allowed in fraternities (my freshman year) and I never knew a time where you weren't allowed to drink in fraternities. I had two years of the Leopards Lair (pre Farinon) and 2 years of the beautiful (if not overly neon) Farinon Center. A shift I might add that completely shifted the "balance of power" from one side of the campus to the other. Gates and Mckeen became the "cool" dorms while South started a slow decline. I suffered through the presidential administrations of Rotberg and Rothkopf. I had a Brother Word Processor in my dorm room and I was considered cutting edge for having that. You could not get any research done without going to the library as the interent was in its very infancy. Professor Tunstall's class on the Vietnam War was probably the most popular class on campus. Geology (Rocks for Jocks) was a guranteed easy A. Woman's Flag Football was started and quickly became THE intramural for women...much to the delight of the woman participants and the male spectators. Needless to say Fisher Field was just that...a field with some very uncomfortable seating (circa 1930) around it. Lafayette was squarely a football school when I was there. The basketball team had not achieved much at that point.
That's the Lafayette I remember. Anyone else care to share?
I graduated in 2003. My senior year was our 7-5 team that beta Lehigh for the first time in 7 years. Hoops were still king at the time but you could feel a shift coming that footbal would be on top again.
I went through a lot of change on campus. My freshman year we still have raging parties in frat houses on Saturday nights and most of the team members were Fiji's of T-delts. By me senior year it was almost unheard of to have any party at the frat house--everything off campus . T-Delt was gone and Fiji has virtually no football players after my class, the fraternity days were over for FB players and the social activities also drastically changed. We heard stories of the days Pard 94 lived through and were jealous. We had fun but it required more work to plan it.
What do the kids do now? off campus housing is now ever forbidden.
Off campus housing is forbidden??? Good god! I guess Lafayette better continue to buy up Easton as college kids are going to want something to do. I hate to over-simplify it but if you can't party on campus and you can't party off campus...what the hell are you going to do?
Franks Tanks
Re: Memory Lane...
Pard94 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
We have recently seen additions to our little online community from what would appear current students who will graduate this year. I'm curious as to how many generations of Lafayette loyalists we span. I assume there is no one on the board younger than a graduation year of 2008. Is that correct? On the flip side...just how old do we go? Carney, for instance...if you were going to change your user name to include your graduation year what would your new name be? I don't mean to pry...all of this recent talk about how the youngsters of the board don't have the same frame of reference as we who suffered the Dark Years has me thinking...just how many frames of reference are represented on this board?
As for me...I graduated in 94. I remeber a Lafayette where football players were not only allowed to join fraternities it was almost a given. You were either a T-Delt or a FIJI. Our football team saw a swing from 4-7 to 8-3. I was there for the last year of kegs being allowed in fraternities (my freshman year) and I never knew a time where you weren't allowed to drink in fraternities. I had two years of the Leopards Lair (pre Farinon) and 2 years of the beautiful (if not overly neon) Farinon Center. A shift I might add that completely shifted the "balance of power" from one side of the campus to the other. Gates and Mckeen became the "cool" dorms while South started a slow decline. I suffered through the presidential administrations of Rotberg and Rothkopf. I had a Brother Word Processor in my dorm room and I was considered cutting edge for having that. You could not get any research done without going to the library as the interent was in its very infancy. Professor Tunstall's class on the Vietnam War was probably the most popular class on campus. Geology (Rocks for Jocks) was a guranteed easy A. Woman's Flag Football was started and quickly became THE intramural for women...much to the delight of the woman participants and the male spectators. Needless to say Fisher Field was just that...a field with some very uncomfortable seating (circa 1930) around it. Lafayette was squarely a football school when I was there. The basketball team had not achieved much at that point.
That's the Lafayette I remember. Anyone else care to share?
I graduated in 2003. My senior year was our 7-5 team that beta Lehigh for the first time in 7 years. Hoops were still king at the time but you could feel a shift coming that footbal would be on top again.
I went through a lot of change on campus. My freshman year we still have raging parties in frat houses on Saturday nights and most of the team members were Fiji's of T-delts. By me senior year it was almost unheard of to have any party at the frat house--everything off campus . T-Delt was gone and Fiji has virtually no football players after my class, the fraternity days were over for FB players and the social activities also drastically changed. We heard stories of the days Pard 94 lived through and were jealous. We had fun but it required more work to plan it.
What do the kids do now? off campus housing is now ever forbidden.
Off campus housing is forbidden??? Good god! I guess Lafayette better continue to buy up Easton as college kids are going to want something to do. I hate to over-simplify it but if you can't party on campus and you can't party off campus...what the hell are you going to do?
Their are still college owned off campus houses, but students living in private off campus houses has been eliminated or severly reduced. Last summer dozens of old students houses on Cattell and surrounding streets were for sale as the landlords were no longer able to rent to students. pehaps some of the other can provide more details but from what I understand it is very difficulty for students to get approval to live in privately owned off campus housing. Its a shame really we should be encouraging young adults to begin experiencing living by themselves off campus.
Lafalum
The faculty and BOT love the communal experience ( God bless their socialist asses). They feel they can control the 'experience and behavior" more ( not to say their mandated expenses given, when you have no choice as to housing).
I graduated in the 60's there were no women,19 fraternities, 3 social dorms, we didn't win very many football games or anything else for that matter. WE DID PARTY!!
Tuition room and board was 2700 dollars a year and cheaper if you lived in a frat. (It was actually posible to earn 1/3 of your expenses in the summer) We practiced where Kirby basketball courts are now and freshman were not allowed to play Varsity sports. Freshman football practiced where Markle parking is now. Substitutions were more restricted and as a result there were more two way players, but ter was platooning. Many were multi-sport athletes. We played Rutgers ( there was a three way rivalry of sorts with Lehigh), Army, Delaware,Mulhlenburg, Gettysburg, Colgate,TEmple. How's that for an ecletic bunch of opponents. We turned over coaches faster than Lehigh does today.
The baseball team played on Fisher Field and there was no Metzger until later on in the sixties where most of the intramurals used the field.
There were two semesters, the first finished mid way through Jan and then a break,( no mid semester break) You had to take 5 classes per semester to graduate and there were Saturday morning clasess which could not be avoided as a freshman or sophomore. Wedesday had a lunchtime mandatory convocation for sophs and frosh. Oeschle Hall was alumni gym which was HELL for any visiting basketball team which on balance we held our own with some very good teams.
Franks Tanks
Lafalum wrote:
The faculty and BOT love the communal experience ( God bless their socialist asses). They feel they can control the 'experience and behavior" more ( not to say their mandated expenses given, when you have no choice as to housing).
I graduated in the 60's there were no women,19 fraternities, 3 social dorms, we didn't win very many football games or anything else for that matter. WE DID PARTY!!
Tuition room and board was 2700 dollars a year and cheaper if you lived in a frat. (It was actually posible to earn 1/3 of your expenses in the summer) We practiced where Kirby basketball courts are now and freshman were not allowed to play Varsity sports. Freshman football practiced where Markle parking is now. Substitutions were more restricted and as a result there were more two way players, but ter was platooning. Many were multi-sport athletes. We played Rutgers ( there was a three way rivalry of sorts with Lehigh), Army, Delaware,Mulhlenburg, Gettysburg, Colgate,TEmple. How's that for an ecletic bunch of opponents. We turned over coaches faster than Lehigh does today.
The baseball team played on Fisher Field and there was no Metzger until later on in the sixties where most of the intramurals used the field.
There were two semesters, the first finished mid way through Jan and then a break,( no mid semester break) You had to take 5 classes per semester to graduate and there were Saturday morning clasess which could not be avoided as a freshman or sophomore. Wedesday had a lunchtime mandatory convocation for sophs and frosh. Oeschle Hall was alumni gym which was HELL for any visiting basketball team which on balance we held our own with some very good teams.
Lafalum some interesting stuff. What were the substitution rules in the old days? I have heard them referenced a few times in several places but hard to pin down exactly how they worked. It almost sounds like individual subs were forbiden and you almost had to sub the entire unit line different lines in Hockey-- is that somewhat correct?
Also how did we fit people in the old Alumni Gym? It was still open as the gym my freshman year and i cant imagine having seats in there to watch a game.
seenalot
OK - got both of you so far - got off the hill in '78. Hoops was clearly the king at that time as we transitioned from Dr Tom to Roy Chipman and never really lost a beat. Me, I played soccer for Gary Williams and concluded he had zero interest in being there....guess I can't blame him 30 years later.
Football memories were sparce - think we beat LU once. Neil Putnam not exactly an innovator, didnt put a real quality product on the field and if not for the KingsPts and Gettysburgs .500 seasons would have been impossible.
Frats were everything w/ Fiji, TDelt the "jock" houses with an off campus frat (letters escape me) referred to as the "chem lab" - might even have been where the Lafayette Inn now sits. The tap at my frat was always on and whales tales, and beer pong excuses to stay up till the keg kicked. On Sat game days most frats had cocktail parties, where we actally got dressed in jacket and tie to impress dates and parents. We visited the Kessler Hotel (aka Jacks) for ring bologna and 10ct beers, joined the YR and occasionally went to the Box Car (then it was a disco).
We had streaking, we lost wrestling as a varisity sport, Coach McGaughney (one of the nicest guys I ever met) ran intermurals and girls (which started in the early 70s) made up maybe 20% of the population. We still had wed and thurs night buses come over from Centenary and Cedar Crest, with pm and am pick ups as I recall.
Olle Koleval (sp) was the AD and Roald Begathon the Pres - he and his wife made many sporting events and for the most part college sports were much lower key. Girls sports were just getting started (pre title 9 I guess) and maybe we fielded half a dozen or so teams.
Lafalum
Your really straining the grey matter but I think the way it worked was wholesale substitutions were allowed on a change of possession except you could sub in your punter or holder. It was limited until then. Maybe someone else's memory is clearer on the details..
As to the gym we were a school of 1700 men and there were retractable seats that only allowed about 3 feet in the out of bounds so grabbing the other team's uniform and harrasing.... at least verbally... the opponent was pretty much tradition. The place was hot as most basketball games w filled the gym with fans.
There was a track at the top were people watched from too. As I said we were not a friendly venue for visiting teams.
Oh one other thing, registering for classes was done in person, at the gym once a semester and getting out of 8 am or saturday classes was desired. There were many fist fights outside as you tried to sneak in before anyone else, to get near the front of the line.(no computers then) Any computer work that needed to be done you usually paid an engineer to do the "punch cards" cards and you got your results in a day or two.
Psych labs were 1/2 hour of observations and 2 1/2 hours of doing the statiscal calculations by hand. ( Actually in the long run it was helpful as the people who worked for me later were alway amazed when I could find a result that didn't "feel" right.)
Pard94
seenalot wrote:
OK - got both of you so far - got off the hill in '78. Hoops was clearly the king at that time as we transitioned from Dr Tom to Roy Chipman and never really lost a beat. Me, I played soccer for Gary Williams and concluded he had zero interest in being there....guess I can't blame him 30 years later.
Football memories were sparce - think we beat LU once. Neil Putnam not exactly an innovator, didnt put a real quality product on the field and if not for the KingsPts and Gettysburgs .500 seasons would have been impossible.
Frats were everything w/ Fiji, TDelt the "jock" houses with an off campus frat (letters escape me) referred to as the "chem lab" - might even have been where the Lafayette Inn now sits. The tap at my frat was always on and whales tales, and beer pong excuses to stay up till the keg kicked. On Sat game days most frats had cocktail parties, where we actally got dressed in jacket and tie to impress dates and parents. We visited the Kessler Hotel (aka Jacks) for ring bologna and 10ct beers, joined the YR and occasionally went to the Box Car (then it was a disco).
We had streaking, we lost wrestling as a varisity sport, Coach McGaughney (one of the nicest guys I ever met) ran intermurals and girls (which started in the early 70s) made up maybe 20% of the population. We still had wed and thurs night buses come over from Centenary and Cedar Crest, with pm and am pick ups as I recall.
Olle Koleval (sp) was the AD and Roald Begathon the Pres - he and his wife made many sporting events and for the most part college sports were much lower key. Girls sports were just getting started (pre title 9 I guess) and maybe we fielded half a dozen or so teams.
Oh my god...how could I forget the Boxcar...it was decidely NOT a disco in my day. Great stories guys! We all paint such different pictures of the same place. I am sure there is a coffee table book in it somewhere.
carney2
Re: Memory Lane...
Pard94 wrote:
just how old do we go? Carney, for instance...if you were going to change your user name to include your graduation year what would your new name be? I don't mean to pry...
I refuse to answer on the grounds that I might incriminate myself. I don't have time to deal with this interesting (honest injun) topic at the moment. My day job intervenes. I will, however, leave you for the moment with this tantalizing comment from Xboreturns (to Andy) about his inability to identify some of the players at the most recent JV game:
"I'm sure you're right on the numbers. I have an old roster and the old geezer that was at the last JV game with the rosters in the plastic sleeves wasn't there so there was no one to ask."
That "old geezer...with the rosters in the plastic sleeves" was me.
Pard94
Re: Memory Lane...
carney2 wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
just how old do we go? Carney, for instance...if you were going to change your user name to include your graduation year what would your new name be? I don't mean to pry...
I refuse to answer on the grounds that I might incriminate myself. I don't have time to deal with this interesting (honest injun) topic at the moment. My day job intervenes. I will, however, leave you for the moment with this tantalizing comment from Xboreturns (to Andy) about his inability to identify some of the players at the most recent JV game:
"I'm sure you're right on the numbers. I have an old roster and the old geezer that was at the last JV game with the rosters in the plastic sleeves wasn't there so there was no one to ask."
That "old geezer...with the rosters in the plastic sleeves" was me.
Carney...this whole thread was a ruse to get you to tell your story! Spit it out, Old Man!
carney2
Re: Memory Lane...
Pard94 wrote:
Carney...this whole thread was a ruse to get you to tell your story! Spit it out, Old Man!
I was born in a log cabin in rural Kentucky. My daddy was a sharecropper. My mama took in laundry from the rich folks. I attended a one room school until the 8th grade. I walked 10 miles to school - all uphill. I walked 12 miles home - also uphill. I remember my first book report in the 2nd grade on Plato's Republic. My 3rd grade science project was on nuclear fusion (that's fusion, not fission). Athletics consisted of hide and seek at recess.
Tomorrow: carney2, the high school years
TheTruth
<i>I was born in a log cabin in rural Kentucky. My daddy was a sharecropper. My mama took in laundry from the rich folks. I attended a one room school until the 8th grade. I walked 10 miles to school - all uphill. I walked 12 miles home - also uphill. I remember my first book report in the 2nd grade on Plato's Republic. My 3rd grade science project was on nuclear fusion (that's fusion, not fission). Athletics consisted of hide and seek at recess.
Tomorrow: carney2, the high school years<i/>
I'm glad he didn't start his story with "I was born a po' black child".
guess the movie that quote is from.
CHC8485
TheTruth wrote:
I'm glad he didn't start his story with "I was born a po' black child".
guess the movie that quote is from.
The Jerk.
Spoken by Steve Martin's character.
Pard94
TheTruth wrote:
<i>I was born in a log cabin in rural Kentucky. My daddy was a sharecropper. My mama took in laundry from the rich folks. I attended a one room school until the 8th grade. I walked 10 miles to school - all uphill. I walked 12 miles home - also uphill. I remember my first book report in the 2nd grade on Plato's Republic. My 3rd grade science project was on nuclear fusion (that's fusion, not fission). Athletics consisted of hide and seek at recess.
Tomorrow: carney2, the high school years<i/>
I'm glad he didn't start his story with "I was born a po' black child".
guess the movie that quote is from.
The Jerk...a classic.
This whole thread reminds me of a story from my time on The Hill. I was a FIJI and as per usual the fraternity found itself afoul of the school's alcohol policy. We were walking a very thin line of getting kicked off campus (as per usual). The brotherhood called an emergency meeting. In attendance was Cy Fleck Jr. (probably about 70 years old) and his dad Cy Fleck Sr. who, at the time was the oldest living FIJI...I think he was 98 or 99 years old. At one point Mr. Fleck Sr. voiced his opinion by saying, "I don't understand why there has to be all of this drinking. When I was on campus on Friday nights we would pull out the old piano and the brotherhood would gather around and sing songs together". I swear he might as well have said, "when I was on campus we used to sprout wings and fly around the fraternity house" for the looks of disbelief he received. I think even his son rolled his eyes. Different times!
Carney...were you gathered round the old piano with Cy and the boys?
Pard4Life
Lafalum wrote:
The faculty and BOT love the communal experience ( God bless their socialist asses).
Don't you mean Republican asses? I've learned that's what a socialist is nowadays.
Pard4Life
I graduated only a few years ago and saw the full transformation of football from the dark years to conference champions. If Glavic had a stronger defense who knows what we could have done?
Basketball was 'rumored' to be king, but attendance said otherwise and we had .500 seasons. 2003 is still painful and the last flash of brillance before football took over. I see Lafayette sports primarily football-based now. Fondly remember old Fisher with the crappy bleachers. I miss my 'perch' at the top of the stadium at the 50, now taken over by half-empty chairbacks. Field hockey was smoking, so was women's lacrosse and men's scocer. Club ice hockey too! Games against Lehigh were fun. And Lehigh sports were something to be feared (except basketball). And nobody cared about Laf sports... only wearing F-Lehigh shirts.
Construction was seemingly everywhere all the time.
Farinon was the center of the day. Marquis was busy at lunch, occasionally at dinner, then a ghost town.
South was the 'social dorm', as was McKeen and Reuf. Keefe best kept secret in terms of nice rooms.. though the social floors took up space, and the 'straight living' floors were a joke... half were drinkers... they just wanted the rooms! Courts were a dump, but people liked it there ( I refused to live there) and it was always busy.
Off-campus was dying. Most of the parties were there.
Lived under the Rothkopf 'police state' where an empty red cup on the floor could mean an alcohol citation. Hardly any parties in frats, though occasionally. And most were lame. Places to go at night: Kirby, Wawa, Campus. Nothing crazy ever really went on... everything seemed 'tame'. Parties were off-campus, but then they started to decline in number. You could have one on your dorm floor if your RA wasn't a stiff, but usually if you are a frosh-soph.
Not in a frat... most are not nowadays, and if you are not it's not a big deal. In fact your friends can be in frats and you not. But a majority of girls are affiliated and it almost seems that you have be.
Students very career-oriented and focused.
Everyone complaining about something. And the "let my parents fix this for me" generation. And the parents and kids who cry when being dropped off at college for the first time.
You lived in a palace (South, Kirby, Keefe) or a dump of a room (Gates, McKeen). College is no longer the 'suitcase and books' room... was a microwave-fridge-flat screen TV-DVD-Playstation-stero system-CD-every picture I own-poster-clothes racks-stuffed animals-flashing lights-luxuryesque room.
Communicate via AOL instant messanger, email, register online for classes (still have to wait if you can't log into the system because everyone is trying to do so at the same time)... unless you are smart and log-in 30 minutes early so all you have to do is click the screen when it's time I asked an older alum how they communicated and she said 'phone and dry easel board on your door' ... I was dumbfounded.. now those easel boards are a likely source of embarassment thanks to drunk people.
McCartney is the most feared professor in Gov-Law, and very popular too. Classes very tough.. lots of reading. Though most kids don't participate in class and try and brown-nose for a good grade.
Students are apathetic. Half the campus loved Bush (on a college campus?!?!). Iraq war... what Iraq war?
Easton... "I don't want to get shot! I'm not going down there"... I guess nobody has ever been to East Orange...
Students are mostly upper-middle or upper... flashy expensive clothing, dressy, everyone tries to look nice. Prep school crowd.
Franks Tanks
Pard4Life wrote:
I graduated only a few years ago and saw the full transformation of football from the dark years to conference champions. If Glavic had a stronger defense who knows what we could have done?
Basketball was 'rumored' to be king, but attendance said otherwise and we had .500 seasons. 2003 is still painful and the last flash of brillance before football took over. I see Lafayette sports primarily football-based now. Fondly remember old Fisher with the crappy bleachers. I miss my 'perch' at the top of the stadium at the 50, now taken over by half-empty chairbacks. Field hockey was smoking, so was women's lacrosse and men's scocer. Club ice hockey too! Games against Lehigh were fun. And Lehigh sports were something to be feared (except basketball). And nobody cared about Laf sports... only wearing F-Lehigh shirts.
Construction was seemingly everywhere all the time.
Farinon was the center of the day. Marquis was busy at lunch, occasionally at dinner, then a ghost town.
South was the 'social dorm', as was McKeen and Reuf. Keefe best kept secret in terms of nice rooms.. though the social floors took up space, and the 'straight living' floors were a joke... half were drinkers... they just wanted the rooms! Courts were a dump, but people liked it there ( I refused to live there) and it was always busy.
Off-campus was dying. Most of the parties were there.
Lived under the Rothkopf 'police state' where an empty red cup on the floor could mean an alcohol citation. Hardly any parties in frats, though occasionally. And most were lame. Places to go at night: Kirby, Wawa, Campus. Nothing crazy ever really went on... everything seemed 'tame'. Parties were off-campus, but then they started to decline in number. You could have one on your dorm floor if your RA wasn't a stiff, but usually if you are a frosh-soph.
Not in a frat... most are not nowadays, and if you are not it's not a big deal. In fact your friends can be in frats and you not. But a majority of girls are affiliated and it almost seems that you have be.
Students very career-oriented and focused.
Everyone complaining about something. And the "let my parents fix this for me" generation. And the parents and kids who cry when being dropped off at college for the first time.
You lived in a palace (South, Kirby, Keefe) or a dump of a room (Gates, McKeen). College is no longer the 'suitcase and books' room... was a microwave-fridge-flat screen TV-DVD-Playstation-stero system-CD-every picture I own-poster-clothes racks-stuffed animals-flashing lights-luxuryesque room.
Communicate via AOL instant messanger, email, register online for classes (still have to wait if you can't log into the system because everyone is trying to do so at the same time)... unless you are smart and log-in 30 minutes early so all you have to do is click the screen when it's time I asked an older alum how they communicated and she said 'phone and dry easel board on your door' ... I was dumbfounded.. now those easel boards are a likely source of embarassment thanks to drunk people.
McCartney is the most feared professor in Gov-Law, and very popular too. Classes very tough.. lots of reading. Though most kids don't participate in class and try and brown-nose for a good grade.
Students are apathetic. Half the campus loved Bush (on a college campus?!?!). Iraq war... what Iraq war?
Easton... "I don't want to get shot! I'm not going down there"... I guess nobody has ever been to East Orange...
Students are mostly upper-middle or upper... flashy expensive clothing, dressy, everyone tries to look nice. Prep school crowd.
Two thing
1.) Thing were never tame in my crowd not sure who you hung out with. Night usually ended with a large scale drunken wrestling match if no ladies were found for the evening.
2.) McCartney is a crazy man. My first ever class in my college career was Mccartney and he started firing of notes a mile a minute. I was like what is going on-- I did fine however, but never took another one of his classes
LeopardFan04
Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
I graduated only a few years ago and saw the full transformation of football from the dark years to conference champions. If Glavic had a stronger defense who knows what we could have done?
Basketball was 'rumored' to be king, but attendance said otherwise and we had .500 seasons. 2003 is still painful and the last flash of brillance before football took over. I see Lafayette sports primarily football-based now. Fondly remember old Fisher with the crappy bleachers. I miss my 'perch' at the top of the stadium at the 50, now taken over by half-empty chairbacks. Field hockey was smoking, so was women's lacrosse and men's scocer. Club ice hockey too! Games against Lehigh were fun. And Lehigh sports were something to be feared (except basketball). And nobody cared about Laf sports... only wearing F-Lehigh shirts.
Construction was seemingly everywhere all the time.
Farinon was the center of the day. Marquis was busy at lunch, occasionally at dinner, then a ghost town.
South was the 'social dorm', as was McKeen and Reuf. Keefe best kept secret in terms of nice rooms.. though the social floors took up space, and the 'straight living' floors were a joke... half were drinkers... they just wanted the rooms! Courts were a dump, but people liked it there ( I refused to live there) and it was always busy.
Off-campus was dying. Most of the parties were there.
Lived under the Rothkopf 'police state' where an empty red cup on the floor could mean an alcohol citation. Hardly any parties in frats, though occasionally. And most were lame. Places to go at night: Kirby, Wawa, Campus. Nothing crazy ever really went on... everything seemed 'tame'. Parties were off-campus, but then they started to decline in number. You could have one on your dorm floor if your RA wasn't a stiff, but usually if you are a frosh-soph.
Not in a frat... most are not nowadays, and if you are not it's not a big deal. In fact your friends can be in frats and you not. But a majority of girls are affiliated and it almost seems that you have be.
Students very career-oriented and focused.
Everyone complaining about something. And the "let my parents fix this for me" generation. And the parents and kids who cry when being dropped off at college for the first time.
You lived in a palace (South, Kirby, Keefe) or a dump of a room (Gates, McKeen). College is no longer the 'suitcase and books' room... was a microwave-fridge-flat screen TV-DVD-Playstation-stero system-CD-every picture I own-poster-clothes racks-stuffed animals-flashing lights-luxuryesque room.
Communicate via AOL instant messanger, email, register online for classes (still have to wait if you can't log into the system because everyone is trying to do so at the same time)... unless you are smart and log-in 30 minutes early so all you have to do is click the screen when it's time I asked an older alum how they communicated and she said 'phone and dry easel board on your door' ... I was dumbfounded.. now those easel boards are a likely source of embarassment thanks to drunk people.
McCartney is the most feared professor in Gov-Law, and very popular too. Classes very tough.. lots of reading. Though most kids don't participate in class and try and brown-nose for a good grade.
Students are apathetic. Half the campus loved Bush (on a college campus?!?!). Iraq war... what Iraq war?
Easton... "I don't want to get shot! I'm not going down there"... I guess nobody has ever been to East Orange...
Students are mostly upper-middle or upper... flashy expensive clothing, dressy, everyone tries to look nice. Prep school crowd.
Two thing
1.) Thing were never tame in my crowd not sure who you hung out with. Night usually ended with a large scale drunken wrestling match if no ladies were found for the evening.
2.) McCartney is a crazy man. My first ever class in my college career was Mccartney and he started firing of notes a mile a minute. I was like what is going on-- I did fine however, but never took another one of his classes
I took one class with McCartney. Our midterm was right before Thanksgiving and last three hours. I will always remember him passing out three blue books to the person at the front of the room, and correcting the kid when he went to pass two to the people next to him. We each filled three blue books during the exam. Then we had a similar final just a few weeks later.
Franks Tanks
LeopardFan04 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
I graduated only a few years ago and saw the full transformation of football from the dark years to conference champions. If Glavic had a stronger defense who knows what we could have done?
Basketball was 'rumored' to be king, but attendance said otherwise and we had .500 seasons. 2003 is still painful and the last flash of brillance before football took over. I see Lafayette sports primarily football-based now. Fondly remember old Fisher with the crappy bleachers. I miss my 'perch' at the top of the stadium at the 50, now taken over by half-empty chairbacks. Field hockey was smoking, so was women's lacrosse and men's scocer. Club ice hockey too! Games against Lehigh were fun. And Lehigh sports were something to be feared (except basketball). And nobody cared about Laf sports... only wearing F-Lehigh shirts.
Construction was seemingly everywhere all the time.
Farinon was the center of the day. Marquis was busy at lunch, occasionally at dinner, then a ghost town.
South was the 'social dorm', as was McKeen and Reuf. Keefe best kept secret in terms of nice rooms.. though the social floors took up space, and the 'straight living' floors were a joke... half were drinkers... they just wanted the rooms! Courts were a dump, but people liked it there ( I refused to live there) and it was always busy.
Off-campus was dying. Most of the parties were there.
Lived under the Rothkopf 'police state' where an empty red cup on the floor could mean an alcohol citation. Hardly any parties in frats, though occasionally. And most were lame. Places to go at night: Kirby, Wawa, Campus. Nothing crazy ever really went on... everything seemed 'tame'. Parties were off-campus, but then they started to decline in number. You could have one on your dorm floor if your RA wasn't a stiff, but usually if you are a frosh-soph.
Not in a frat... most are not nowadays, and if you are not it's not a big deal. In fact your friends can be in frats and you not. But a majority of girls are affiliated and it almost seems that you have be.
Students very career-oriented and focused.
Everyone complaining about something. And the "let my parents fix this for me" generation. And the parents and kids who cry when being dropped off at college for the first time.
You lived in a palace (South, Kirby, Keefe) or a dump of a room (Gates, McKeen). College is no longer the 'suitcase and books' room... was a microwave-fridge-flat screen TV-DVD-Playstation-stero system-CD-every picture I own-poster-clothes racks-stuffed animals-flashing lights-luxuryesque room.
Communicate via AOL instant messanger, email, register online for classes (still have to wait if you can't log into the system because everyone is trying to do so at the same time)... unless you are smart and log-in 30 minutes early so all you have to do is click the screen when it's time I asked an older alum how they communicated and she said 'phone and dry easel board on your door' ... I was dumbfounded.. now those easel boards are a likely source of embarassment thanks to drunk people.
McCartney is the most feared professor in Gov-Law, and very popular too. Classes very tough.. lots of reading. Though most kids don't participate in class and try and brown-nose for a good grade.
Students are apathetic. Half the campus loved Bush (on a college campus?!?!). Iraq war... what Iraq war?
Easton... "I don't want to get shot! I'm not going down there"... I guess nobody has ever been to East Orange...
Students are mostly upper-middle or upper... flashy expensive clothing, dressy, everyone tries to look nice. Prep school crowd.
Two thing
1.) Thing were never tame in my crowd not sure who you hung out with. Night usually ended with a large scale drunken wrestling match if no ladies were found for the evening.
2.) McCartney is a crazy man. My first ever class in my college career was Mccartney and he started firing of notes a mile a minute. I was like what is going on-- I did fine however, but never took another one of his classes
I took one class with McCartney. Our midterm was right before Thanksgiving and last three hours. I will always remember him passing out three blue books to the person at the front of the room, and correcting the kid when he went to pass two to the people next to him. We each filled three blue books during the exam. Then we had a similar final just a few weeks later.
Ya how crazy is that? Exactly how my class transpired. The semester was 3/4 of the way through and we didnt have one single grade. Not one quiz, paper etc. Then in the last month of class you have two killer tests and a 20 page paper which I dont think he reads.
Pard94
Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
I graduated only a few years ago and saw the full transformation of football from the dark years to conference champions. If Glavic had a stronger defense who knows what we could have done?
Basketball was 'rumored' to be king, but attendance said otherwise and we had .500 seasons. 2003 is still painful and the last flash of brillance before football took over. I see Lafayette sports primarily football-based now. Fondly remember old Fisher with the crappy bleachers. I miss my 'perch' at the top of the stadium at the 50, now taken over by half-empty chairbacks. Field hockey was smoking, so was women's lacrosse and men's scocer. Club ice hockey too! Games against Lehigh were fun. And Lehigh sports were something to be feared (except basketball). And nobody cared about Laf sports... only wearing F-Lehigh shirts.
Construction was seemingly everywhere all the time.
Farinon was the center of the day. Marquis was busy at lunch, occasionally at dinner, then a ghost town.
South was the 'social dorm', as was McKeen and Reuf. Keefe best kept secret in terms of nice rooms.. though the social floors took up space, and the 'straight living' floors were a joke... half were drinkers... they just wanted the rooms! Courts were a dump, but people liked it there ( I refused to live there) and it was always busy.
Off-campus was dying. Most of the parties were there.
Lived under the Rothkopf 'police state' where an empty red cup on the floor could mean an alcohol citation. Hardly any parties in frats, though occasionally. And most were lame. Places to go at night: Kirby, Wawa, Campus. Nothing crazy ever really went on... everything seemed 'tame'. Parties were off-campus, but then they started to decline in number. You could have one on your dorm floor if your RA wasn't a stiff, but usually if you are a frosh-soph.
Not in a frat... most are not nowadays, and if you are not it's not a big deal. In fact your friends can be in frats and you not. But a majority of girls are affiliated and it almost seems that you have be.
Students very career-oriented and focused.
Everyone complaining about something. And the "let my parents fix this for me" generation. And the parents and kids who cry when being dropped off at college for the first time.
You lived in a palace (South, Kirby, Keefe) or a dump of a room (Gates, McKeen). College is no longer the 'suitcase and books' room... was a microwave-fridge-flat screen TV-DVD-Playstation-stero system-CD-every picture I own-poster-clothes racks-stuffed animals-flashing lights-luxuryesque room.
Communicate via AOL instant messanger, email, register online for classes (still have to wait if you can't log into the system because everyone is trying to do so at the same time)... unless you are smart and log-in 30 minutes early so all you have to do is click the screen when it's time I asked an older alum how they communicated and she said 'phone and dry easel board on your door' ... I was dumbfounded.. now those easel boards are a likely source of embarassment thanks to drunk people.
McCartney is the most feared professor in Gov-Law, and very popular too. Classes very tough.. lots of reading. Though most kids don't participate in class and try and brown-nose for a good grade.
Students are apathetic. Half the campus loved Bush (on a college campus?!?!). Iraq war... what Iraq war?
Easton... "I don't want to get shot! I'm not going down there"... I guess nobody has ever been to East Orange...
Students are mostly upper-middle or upper... flashy expensive clothing, dressy, everyone tries to look nice. Prep school crowd.
Two thing
1.) Thing were never tame in my crowd not sure who you hung out with. Night usually ended with a large scale drunken wrestling match if no ladies were found for the evening.
2.) McCartney is a crazy man. My first ever class in my college career was Mccartney and he started firing of notes a mile a minute. I was like what is going on-- I did fine however, but never took another one of his classes
Jeez...I don't even know the place you are talking about. When you list WaWa as one of the social venues you can't be talking about the same place I went to. I remember complaining becauese weren't able to have open kegs outside for our Pong tournaments. We had to ferry the beer outside in pitchers.
The Maroon
Wow...So much to think about.
McCartney certainly hasn't changed. I loved the man, but in retrospect I don't think the "English model" he used was any good whatsoever for retaining information. I had him at least 4 times because I liked the idea of basically only having to sweat 4 days a semester.
Susan Averett and Flutie Hutchinson were easily my favorite professors--amazing people.
Athletics almost seems like the dark ages compared to today. Field Hockey on a grass field, no lights, so whenever they traveled to a turf team it was a completely different game. No lights for Soccer. No bleachers, you just sat on the hill. Volleyball was coached by a part-timer and got NO love. Softball was coached by a woman who knew nothing about softball and made no bones about it (she went on to be the basketball coach at Kutztown.) They would regularly top the charts with 5-32 records. They never had more than two pitchers and I know one season they only had one.
Baseball started a period of malaise under Greg Vogel who just wasn't a good fit for Lafayette. Men's basketball suffered under John Leone--but it wasn't all his fault. They did inexplicably kick Miami's ass one fine night. Women's basketball was coached by Pat Fisher who recruited in the oddest way, bringing in 8 players one year and then doing nothing but recruting role players for three years.
Field Hockey and Women's Lax reigned supreme and many of the players played both sports (all but impossible in this day and age). Field Hockey didn't lose a league game in my time there. Lacrosse lost one--the last game of my senior year in a heartbreaker. Women's lacrosse qualified for the NCAA's and played Penn State at Fisher field in one incredible game where Suzi Farrell and Liz...well it's Liz Stankavage now...showed what incredible athletes they were..before we lost.
Men's soccer went from worst to first after Wayne Reinart took over.
Women's soccer had the best player in their history--Heidi Caruso---who was good enough to will the team to a lot more wins than they should have. I remember their coach made...$11,000 and the actual budget for the coach was $3,000 and he got $8,000 for being "equipment manager."
Men's lacrosse sucked, but it didn't hurt their self-esteem. Easily the most obnoxious athletes in my humble opinion---it didn't translate into wins.
In cross country I don't remember anything about the men's team except when we hosted the Patriot League championships Colgate's Ray Appenheimer won by about a mile...Followed by the entire Army team...Nuno Santo was our top runner, but we werne't a force.
WOmen's Cross country won the league title in '94, Megan Smith, Jeannine Sluck and the gang were a great bunch. Their coach, Julio Piazza couldn't stand me because I was the sports editor and his team never got good coverage. He was right.
The swimming team was putrid except for a couple of years they had Andrew Rutherford who made Hong Kong's Olympic team. The women's team had exactly 6 members one year. What the hell was that?
Track had good athletes in Warren Sayre and Harrison Bailey--but they never made much noise as a team.
Barb Young coached women's tennis and they won at least one league title. Super woman. I don't remember anything about the men except they didn't do very well.
How many fraternities are there now? It was a constant battle with the administration with them. It's funny because even when I was a student we complained about how the administration was clamping down too hard...and every time I read "The Lafayette" it's almost like deja vu.
Pard94
The Maroon wrote:
Wow...So much to think about.
McCartney certainly hasn't changed. I loved the man, but in retrospect I don't think the "English model" he used was any good whatsoever for retaining information. I had him at least 4 times because I liked the idea of basically only having to sweat 4 days a semester.
Susan Averett and Flutie Hutchinson were easily my favorite professors--amazing people.
Athletics almost seems like the dark ages compared to today. Field Hockey on a grass field, no lights, so whenever they traveled to a turf team it was a completely different game. No lights for Soccer. No bleachers, you just sat on the hill. Volleyball was coached by a part-timer and got NO love. Softball was coached by a woman who knew nothing about softball and made no bones about it (she went on to be the basketball coach at Kutztown.) They would regularly top the charts with 5-32 records. They never had more than two pitchers and I know one season they only had one.
Baseball started a period of malaise under Greg Vogel who just wasn't a good fit for Lafayette. Men's basketball suffered under John Leone--but it wasn't all his fault. They did inexplicably kick Miami's ass one fine night. Women's basketball was coached by Pat Fisher who recruited in the oddest way, bringing in 8 players one year and then doing nothing but recruting role players for three years.
Field Hockey and Women's Lax reigned supreme and many of the players played both sports (all but impossible in this day and age). Field Hockey didn't lose a league game in my time there. Lacrosse lost one--the last game of my senior year in a heartbreaker. Women's lacrosse qualified for the NCAA's and played Penn State at Fisher field in one incredible game where Suzi Farrell and Liz...well it's Liz Stankavage now...showed what incredible athletes they were..before we lost.
Men's soccer went from worst to first after Wayne Reinart took over.
Women's soccer had the best player in their history--Heidi Caruso---who was good enough to will the team to a lot more wins than they should have. I remember their coach made...$11,000 and the actual budget for the coach was $3,000 and he got $8,000 for being "equipment manager."
Men's lacrosse sucked, but it didn't hurt their self-esteem. Easily the most obnoxious athletes in my humble opinion---it didn't translate into wins.
In cross country I don't remember anything about the men's team except when we hosted the Patriot League championships Colgate's Ray Appenheimer won by about a mile...Followed by the entire Army team...Nuno Santo was our top runner, but we werne't a force.
WOmen's Cross country won the league title in '94, Megan Smith, Jeannine Sluck and the gang were a great bunch. Their coach, Julio Piazza couldn't stand me because I was the sports editor and his team never got good coverage. He was right.
The swimming team was putrid except for a couple of years they had Andrew Rutherford who made Hong Kong's Olympic team. The women's team had exactly 6 members one year. What the hell was that?
Track had good athletes in Warren Sayre and Harrison Bailey--but they never made much noise as a team.
Barb Young coached women's tennis and they won at least one league title. Super woman. I don't remember anything about the men except they didn't do very well.
How many fraternities are there now? It was a constant battle with the administration with them. It's funny because even when I was a student we complained about how the administration was clamping down too hard...and every time I read "The Lafayette" it's almost like deja vu.
I attended Lafayette the same years you did and I didn't know half of that. Clearly you were an all around Lafayette sports fan. I remember Heidi Caruso being good and I was good friends with Marybeth Browne on the womans basketball team. I did kind of know Andy Rutherford...strange guy. Other than that I was pretty much clueless except for football. What you negelcted to mention was the rise of Woman's Flag football as an intramural staple. I was the inagural head coach of the Delta Gamma Mean Machine...a constant and complete powerhouse of a team. I'll never forget an opposing running back trying to run the ball throw the middle of our Defense only to be met by our middle linebacker who also happened to be the Center for woman's B-ball. She stuck the runner hard completely leveling her, reached down, grabbed her flag and dropped it one her while yelling, "whose your daddy?!". I get chills just remembering that. Then there was our running back...small, demure, cute little sorority girl who, pound for pound, was probably as talented as Erik Marsh. I remember her running for something like a 40 yard TD and having her shirt ripped off by the other team. She didn't even pause...she ran for the TD in her sports bra...good times...good times.
Lafalum
More Streaking memories
In the sixties we were all men of course and for many it was a regular practice to swim in the nude in the college swimming pool. The college chaplain was a regular devotee (I think his name was Curry). The entrance to the pool was sort of a long tunnel and he would run (it was usually chilly) and dive in and do his laps.
One swim meet was being held at an irregular time and our unsuspecting chaplain decided to do his afternoon swim. He proceeded to run, dive and swim two laps before members of the team could point out to him he had an audience of girl friends, parents and other spectators. He made as dignified an exit as posible, not to be seen in the pool for several weeks.
65Pard
Some Memories
There were 19 fraternities, a few located off campus....'
Tickets to the Interfraternity Ball were $6.50.....I saw Count Basie and Louis Armstrong
I watched Bill Bradley beat the Pards in overtime with a last second Jumper
Football schedule included Temple, Delaware, Rutgers, Gettysburg, Muhlenberg, Bucknell, Lehigh, Tufts...The Lehigh game at Taylor my freshman year was the best pure college football experience of my life.
My senior year was the 100th Lehigh Game (6-6 tie) and we were, I think, the first class to graduate without a win over Lehigh
Marquis Hall was brand new....and at the freshman banquet they put a cigar next to every plate...when everybody lit up, you couldn't see across the room
They had to move the Phi Psi house to build the new Library
The "new" college store was in the basement of South College
WJRH radio station hit the air....I was a DJ
Tuition was $1500
I became a dishwasher at fraternity, just to avoid going to convocation
All freshmen had to take Religion courses.....
The Rhondells (later the Cyrcle of Red Rubber Ball fame) played at frat parties. One of the guys was my Chem lab partner.
Local tavern had 10 cent beers on Thursday nites.
And of course...the day Kennedy was shot..
Pard94
65Pard wrote:
Some Memories
There were 19 fraternities, a few located off campus....'
Tickets to the Interfraternity Ball were $6.50.....I saw Count Basie and Louis Armstrong
I watched Bill Bradley beat the Pards in overtime with a last second Jumper
Football schedule included Temple, Delaware, Rutgers, Gettysburg, Muhlenberg, Bucknell, Lehigh, Tufts...The Lehigh game at Taylor my freshman year was the best pure college football experience of my life.
My senior year was the 100th Lehigh Game (6-6 tie) and we were, I think, the first class to graduate without a win over Lehigh
Marquis Hall was brand new....and at the freshman banquet they put a cigar next to every plate...when everybody lit up, you couldn't see across the room
They had to move the Phi Psi house to build the new Library
The "new" college store was in the basement of South College
WJRH radio station hit the air....I was a DJ
Tuition was $1500
I became a dishwasher at fraternity, just to avoid going to convocation
All freshmen had to take Religion courses.....
The Rhondells (later the Cyrcle of Red Rubber Ball fame) played at frat parties. One of the guys was my Chem lab partner.
Local tavern had 10 cent beers on Thursday nites.
And of course...the day Kennedy was shot..
Wow...such a completely different experience. I do like the Red Rubber Ball song. One of those guys died recently if I am not mistaken. I think he had been sick for quite a while. Thanks for sharing 65.
DaveR
65Pard wrote:
The Lehigh game at Taylor my freshman year was the best pure college football experience of my life.
As can be said for some other things, you never forget your first...
Pards Rule
Pard4Life wrote:
I asked an older alum how they communicated and she said 'phone and dry easel board on your door' ... I was dumbfounded.. now those easel boards are a likely source of embarassment thanks to drunk people.
An older alum? Good grief, I must be on the other side of the Hill ('84)..Oh, yes the stories I could tell about drunks and dry easel boards!! I don't recall anyone with phones IN their rooms except RA's...The phones used were hall phones or pay phones (whatr those??)
carney2
65Pard wrote:
Some Memories
There were 19 fraternities, a few located off campus....'
Tickets to the Interfraternity Ball were $6.50.....I saw Count Basie and Louis Armstrong
I watched Bill Bradley beat the Pards in overtime with a last second Jumper
Football schedule included Temple, Delaware, Rutgers, Gettysburg, Muhlenberg, Bucknell, Lehigh, Tufts...The Lehigh game at Taylor my freshman year was the best pure college football experience of my life.
My senior year was the 100th Lehigh Game (6-6 tie) and we were, I think, the first class to graduate without a win over Lehigh
Marquis Hall was brand new....and at the freshman banquet they put a cigar next to every plate...when everybody lit up, you couldn't see across the room
They had to move the Phi Psi house to build the new Library
The "new" college store was in the basement of South College
WJRH radio station hit the air....I was a DJ
Tuition was $1500
I became a dishwasher at fraternity, just to avoid going to convocation
All freshmen had to take Religion courses.....
The Rhondells (later the Cyrcle of Red Rubber Ball fame) played at frat parties. One of the guys was my Chem lab partner.
Local tavern had 10 cent beers on Thursday nites.
And of course...the day Kennedy was shot..
All valid. All good stuff. Other memories from that time period:
You wore a coat and tie every night, in every living group, for dinner. My parents read that in the stuff I got from the college before my freshman year and my mother went out and bought me something like 2 dozen shirts so I'd be ready.
Everyone - EVERYONE - went to home football games. If you had a date, you went to the game in a coat and tie.
Chaplain Curry and his wife Edna, had a College supplied residence located where Farinon currently stands. Unfortunately for him it was located between two fraternities: DU, which was the animal house of its day, and Sigma Chi, which, well, let me be discreet, was somewhat irreverant. Sigma Chi was a fire trap and had a system of "fire escapes" which consisted of ropes with slings. On Saturday nights the drunks would fling themselves out the windows in those slings screaming "F _ _ k you, Edna!" all the way down.
I was in the first group to occupy Marquis Hall and in the last to reside in Dorm Row (located in the area that would now be between Kirby and the Library). Can't tell you how great it was to be in a BIG old dorm that is scheduled for demolition. No one cared what we did.
The football program was entering an "eclipse" that would essentially last, on and off, for 40 years. The best weapon we had was a halfback named Walt Doleschal who was one of the first soccer style kickers that I ever saw. The biggest play we could muster was a quick kick by Doleschal. It was awful.
That 1961 Lafayette at Lehigh game that 65Pard referred to is still the best college football game I ever saw. I could write an entire piece on that game alone.
All freshmen and sophomores were required to take a 1 credit Army ROTC course each semester. It included a two hour drill from 4:00 to 6:00 every Monday, weather permitting. One half of the "corps" was on March Field, the other half on the quad.
Every student had to attend a convocation every other Wednesday in Colton Chapel at noon. Attendance was taken, and God help you if you didn't get your name checked off. Actually, there was a convocation every Wednesday, but the Chapel could only hold about half of the student body.
Dutch's College Hill Tavern was the primary off campus haunt, but those with access to cars would hit the YR (Young Republicans) Club on 611 or head for Phillipsburg. Theoretically, you needed a photo ID issued by the PA Liquor Control Board to get served - and nothing else would do. Dutch was a good guy and would put a beer in any hand that had a dime in it. In my senior year he was caught serving minors and from there on would accept nothing but the real deal ID. The following Monday there was a stampede to the nearest State Store and then over to a five and dime on center square where they had a 4 for a quarter photo machine.
No cell phones or computers. Generally, there was one - and only one - phone on each dorm hall or in each fraternity. As for TV, each residence generally had only one. There was no cable, so you really struggled for reception.
South College was both a dorm and a classroom building. It was not unusual to have a guy in a bathrobe wander in for an 8:00 or 9:00 class.
Saturday classes were the norm. You needed to be at least a junior to be certain of avoiding them.
Lafalum
Yes Saturdays at 8 am. When was the last time an undergraduate was up at 8 am on Saturday. By the way you took 5 courses per semester, unlike the 4 today. THe term ended in January and you always had a paper to do over the holidays, then exams.
Do they still give comprehensives at the end of four years? Some guys didn't graduate because they didn't pass them!!
carney2
Lafalum wrote:
Yes Saturdays at 8 am. When was the last time an undergraduate was up at 8 am on Saturday. By the way you took 5 courses per semester, unlike the 4 today. THe term ended in January and you always had a paper to do over the holidays, then exams.
Do they still give comprehensives at the end of four years? Some guys didn't graduate because they didn't pass them!!
Yes, the 5th course. Whatever happened to the 5th course? Answer: it went out the door in a 1970s round of cost cutting. Since the average undergraduate "in the day" took 5 X 8 = 40 courses, and today's undergraduate takes 4 X 8 = 32 courses, does that mean that Lafalum, 65 and I are better educated than the rest of you?
On that same note, the academic calendar was longer in the days before cost cutting. As Lafalum points out, the 1st semester did not end until the 2nd week in January or so. The 2nd semester ended in June - at least after Memorial Day - and graduation was near or after the end of the 1st week in June. Oh yeah, no spring breaks or fall breaks.
Every freshman, regardless of major, had to take an English composition course - both semesters. A composition was due on the instructor's desk EVERY Friday. On Monday or Tuesday of the following week you would have a one on one with the instructor and he would tear it apart. To this day, everyone I went to school with - again, regardless of major - can write meaningful, coherent prose that has a subject and a predicate and is properly punctuated.
And we walked to class 5 miles uphill. The return trip was 7 miles, also uphill.
Lafalum
carney2 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Yes Saturdays at 8 am. When was the last time an undergraduate was up at 8 am on Saturday. By the way you took 5 courses per semester, unlike the 4 today. THe term ended in January and you always had a paper to do over the holidays, then exams.
Do they still give comprehensives at the end of four years? Some guys didn't graduate because they didn't pass them!!
Yes, the 5th course. Whatever happened to the 5th course? Answer: it went out the door in a 1970s round of cost cutting. Since the average undergraduate "in the day" took 5 X 8 = 40 courses, and today's undergraduate takes 4 X 8 = 32 courses, does that mean that Lafalum, 65 and I are better educated than the rest of you?
On that same note, the academic calendar was longer in the days before cost cutting.
And we walked to class 5 miles uphill. The return trip was 7 miles, also uphill.
Let's not forget those years of hard knocks that contributed to our "education". That 5 mile uphill walk to class was a pain as was the 70 hours a week I spent in the library studying (not!!!)
carney2
Related topic: in as few words as possible, define a nerd from your day. I'll start:
A nerd wore his slide rule on his belt.
Pard94
In my day if you live in Kirby House...chances were very good you were a nerd. Not a given though because a few of us football players lived there our sophomore year...before we realized the house was inhabited largely of nerds. It was one hell of a nice building though...before it started sinking into the ground.
Pards Rule
carney2 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Yes Saturdays at 8 am. When was the last time an undergraduate was up at 8 am on Saturday. By the way you took 5 courses per semester, unlike the 4 today. THe term ended in January and you always had a paper to do over the holidays, then exams.
Do they still give comprehensives at the end of four years? Some guys didn't graduate because they didn't pass them!!
Yes, the 5th course. Whatever happened to the 5th course? Answer: it went out the door in a 1970s round of cost cutting. Since the average undergraduate "in the day" took 5 X 8 = 40 courses, and today's undergraduate takes 4 X 8 = 32 courses, does that mean that Lafalum, 65 and I are better educated than the rest of you?
On that same note, the academic calendar was longer in the days before cost cutting. As Lafalum points out, the 1st semester did not end until the 2nd week in January or so. The 2nd semester ended in June - at least after Memorial Day - and graduation was near or after the end of the 1st week in June. Oh yeah, no spring breaks or fall breaks.
Every freshman, regardless of major, had to take an English composition course - both semesters. A composition was due on the instructor's desk EVERY Friday. On Monday or Tuesday of the following week you would have a one on one with the instructor and he would tear it apart. To this day, everyone I went to school with - again, regardless of major - can write meaningful, coherent prose that has a subject and a predicate and is properly punctuated.
And we walked to class 5 miles uphill. The return trip was 7 miles, also uphill.
Carney, my bleacher buddy, I must correct you on your memory. Ours (1984 - getting ready for our 25th next year) was the last class that had the five courses. You needed 120 credits to graduate (8 semesters with 5 courses = 40 x 3 credits per class). Nearly everyone was in a postion, however, to take only four courses the final semester as language courses (which were 4 times a week for intro) counted for four credits. That also allowed the seniors time during the final semester to focus on the job search or apply to grad schools. The class after us (1985) needed only 109 credits to graduate. When I heard that I was like *foiled again!* Sonofabitch!!
carney2
Pards Rule wrote:
Carney, my bleacher buddy, I must correct you on your memory. Ours (1984 - getting ready for our 25th next year) was the last class that had the five courses. You needed 120 credits to graduate (8 semesters with 5 courses = 40 x 3 credits per class). Nearly everyone was in a postion, however, to take only four courses the final semester as language courses (which were 4 times a week for intro) counted for four credits. That also allowed the seniors time during the final semester to focus on the job search or apply to grad schools. The class after us (1985) needed only 109 credits to graduate. When I heard that I was like *foiled again!* Sonofabitch!!
I am humbled in the face of true knowledge and first hand experience.
Lafalum
So the college went the way of the Hershey Bar, you paid more for less!! Or maybe your parents, the people who paid for your scholarships, or bank who loaned you the money paid more. On the other hand who benefited??? Hmmmmm. Who worked less and were paid more??
Darn I have got to get happier this season!! It must the loss to Lehigh in football, the miserable prospects in basketball, the first round losses in soccer and fh.
I do love those two new recruits for the OL!!
Franks Tanks
Lafalum wrote:
So the college went the way of the Hershey Bar, you paid more for less!! Or maybe your parents, the people who paid for your scholarships, or bank who loaned you the money paid more. On the other hand who benefited??? Hmmmmm. Who worked less and were paid more??
Darn I have got to get happier this season!! It must the loss to Lehigh in football, the miserable prospects in basketball, the first round losses in soccer and fh.
I do love those two new recruits for the OL!!
if you must ask we apparently use the Brown University model of 4 classes. In those 4 classes we susposedly went more in depth into each subject and had greater analysis and discussion. Also we were suspossed to recieve more work in each class and be expected to perfrom in each class since we only had 4. I can say that some classes had an extreme amount of work and had profs that expected smart and prepared discussion and analysis at all times. Others not so much. I cant compare the diffuclty of classes in the 4 era vs the 5 era but i can say this. My sister went to Penn State and even the easist classes I had at Lafayette assigned more work and expected more then any of her classes at Penn State.
Franks Tanks
Franks Tanks wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
So the college went the way of the Hershey Bar, you paid more for less!! Or maybe your parents, the people who paid for your scholarships, or bank who loaned you the money paid more. On the other hand who benefited??? Hmmmmm. Who worked less and were paid more??
Darn I have got to get happier this season!! It must the loss to Lehigh in football, the miserable prospects in basketball, the first round losses in soccer and fh.
I do love those two new recruits for the OL!!
if you must ask we apparently use the Brown University model of 4 classes. In those 4 classes we susposedly went more in depth into each subject and had greater analysis and discussion. Also we were suspossed to recieve more work in each class and be expected to perfrom in each class since we only had 4. I can say that some classes had an extreme amount of work and had profs that expected smart and prepared discussion and analysis at all times. Others not so much. I cant compare the diffuclty of classes in the 4 era vs the 5 era but i can say this. My sister went to Penn State and even the easist classes I had at Lafayette assigned more work and expected more then any of her classes at Penn State.
Lafalum
Franks Tanks wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
So the college went the way of the Hershey Bar, you paid more for less!! Or maybe your parents, the people who paid for your scholarships, or bank who loaned you the money paid more. On the other hand who benefited??? Hmmmmm. Who worked less and were paid more??
Darn I have got to get happier this season!! It must the loss to Lehigh in football, the miserable prospects in basketball, the first round losses in soccer and fh.
I do love those two new recruits for the OL!!
if you must ask we apparently use the Brown University model of 4 classes. In those 4 classes we susposedly went more in depth into each subject and had greater analysis and discussion. Also we were suspossed to recieve more work in each class and be expected to perfrom in each class since we only had 4. I can say that some classes had an extreme amount of work and had profs that expected smart and prepared discussion and analysis at all times. Others not so much. I cant compare the diffuclty of classes in the 4 era vs the 5 era but i can say this. My sister went to Penn State and even the easist classes I had at Lafayette assigned more work and expected more then any of her classes at Penn State.
For the sake of comity I'll buy that.
Franks Tanks
Lafalum wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
So the college went the way of the Hershey Bar, you paid more for less!! Or maybe your parents, the people who paid for your scholarships, or bank who loaned you the money paid more. On the other hand who benefited??? Hmmmmm. Who worked less and were paid more??
Darn I have got to get happier this season!! It must the loss to Lehigh in football, the miserable prospects in basketball, the first round losses in soccer and fh.
I do love those two new recruits for the OL!!
if you must ask we apparently use the Brown University model of 4 classes. In those 4 classes we susposedly went more in depth into each subject and had greater analysis and discussion. Also we were suspossed to recieve more work in each class and be expected to perfrom in each class since we only had 4. I can say that some classes had an extreme amount of work and had profs that expected smart and prepared discussion and analysis at all times. Others not so much. I cant compare the diffuclty of classes in the 4 era vs the 5 era but i can say this. My sister went to Penn State and even the easist classes I had at Lafayette assigned more work and expected more then any of her classes at Penn State.
For the sake of comity I'll buy that.
Like I said I have done limited research on that. All I can really say is that the overall majority of classes I took had a pretty decent workload and were conducted by demanding profs. I would look at my sisters sylabbus and assingments at Penn State and overall they were just more simple. They required less analysis and critical thinking. Also papers that earnbed her easy A's would have been B's or lower in similar classes at Lafayette. Just one experience, but take it for what its worth (if anything)
Lafalum
When I was there ( the ancient 60's) there was concern by some that grading was to too tough. 80-83 average ( we were graded on the 0 to 100 scale then) was usually good enough for dean's list ( defined as as the upper 15 %)
90 or above was a rare and difficult grade in most classes. My average was in the low to mid 80's and was good enough to grade in the upper 5 % of Lsat's and business boards. We also lost 25 % our class in that four years, most in the first year. OUr freshmen football team had 50 stalwarts 15 graduated.
Franks Tanks
Lafalum wrote:
When I was there ( the ancient 60's) there was concern by some that grading was to too tough. 80-83 average ( we were graded on the 0 to 100 scale then) was usually good enough for dean's list ( defined as as the upper 15 %)
90 or above was a rare and difficult grade in most classes. My average was in the low to mid 80's and was good enough to grade in the upper 5 % of Lsat's and business boards. We also lost 25 % our class in that four years, most in the first year. OUr freshmen football team had 50 stalwarts 15 graduated.
Top schools will never let that happen again ( well as long as graduation rates are factored into school rankings). Sure ,I highly doubt my classes were anywhere near as difficult as yours. In my day an intillegent person who went to class and did the work would have no problem achieving a respectable or very good average. But is amazing how many people have difficulty even doing something as simple as going to class. There was no way I was missing class at rate charged for tuition!
Lafalum
The other issue which it made it all the more stressful was the draft. Draft boards loved to grab all those guys whose 2-s deferrment expired due to graduation or if you left school into an ever expanding army ( and it wasn't for OCS either).
I remember my roomate ,who came from Bethlehem, actually got his notice his senior year after the Lehigh game. He had to petition them to stay the last semester to graduate even as a chemical engineering major with good grades. I always thought his hometown board was filled with steelworkers whose sons had already been called and were just waiting for those college guys to be ready.( He eventually flunked his physical due to a football injury).
The interesting thing was if a guy volunteered or entered the service due to ROTC (as many did) it didn't fill the quota for the local draft board!!
Pards Rule
Lafalum wrote:
So the college went the way of the Hershey Bar, you paid more for less!! Or maybe your parents, the people who paid for your scholarships, or bank who loaned you the money paid more. On the other hand who benefited??? Hmmmmm. Who worked less and were paid more??
Darn I have got to get happier this season!! It must the loss to Lehigh in football, the miserable prospects in basketball, the first round losses in soccer and fh.
I do love those two new recruits for the OL!!
Well 25 years ago this month, my father wrote out the check for my final semester (I think it was like 7.5K - 15K a year in 1984) and wondered aloud how ANYONE could expect to be paid more than that for a college education. Course, both of us are old timers now as we remember when one had to get up and walk over to the TV to change the channel (when I mentioned that Dec. 26th at a gathering that included my 11 year old nephew, he looked at me with surprised eyes and said in wonderment "no way!")
carney2
Does anyone else remember writing papers in pre-computer, pre Microsoft Word, pre-spell check times?
"You will submit [fill in a huge number here] words, typed, double spaced with one inch margins. Footnotes and footnoting will follow the rules in Dr. Watt's 'An American Rhetoric.' I expect it to be free of spelling and grammatical errors. In other words, I want your best effort; a finished product."
You would write it out long-hand as a first draft. (At some point in your junior year you would really get the hang of it and find that you could do some sort of an outline, knowing that you were now "good enough" to do final composition in the typewriter.) The night before it was due (seldom earlier) you would pull out your Remington or Royal portable typewriter (I had an off brand Swiss job that is, I believe, still rattling around in my basement) and settle in for a very long siege. You would peck away with White Out and that type over correction paper at the ready. Your "kit" included 3 items besides the typewriter, the proper paper (usually stipulated - "Do not use that erasable paper."), correction aids and your draft: a dictionary, a thesaurus, and your copy of the aforementioned "An American Rhetoric." There was no second chance; no do over. You couldn't do it with a case of beer at the ready.
65Pard
Carney
Nerds resided in Watson Hall first floor....frosh were on 2nd floor...
Nerds put plastic protectors in their shirt pockets and wore ear muffs..
Statistically more engineer nerds than Liberal Arts nerds...
Nerds were the last ones to stop wearing those mandatory frosh beanies.
As an Engineer, I had to take those English courses you refer to first year, and yes I struggled on Sunday nights to fill out the word count....In those days engineers had to take a "Humanistic elective" every semester....
I remember some semesters engineers had to carry 19 credits...and a 75 engineering average was considered very respectable....I once got a 27 on a Thermodynamics test (my frat brother got a 7) The profs really busted our nuts....
All frosh engineers had to take a Mechanical Drawing course, 7 hours/week of drawing board work that I do not regret taking.....
There was the famous 6 inch rule....if you had a girl in your room the door had to be open at least 6 inches...We paid no attention to it..
Great late night sandwiches at Pop's Place....I still remember cashing a check there and laughing when I saw it was endorsed by Annie L Schmuck.
Living groups vied for the All Campus Trophy by competing in Intramural sports, IF Weekend House Decorations, Step Singing and Scholastic averages
My Class Ring cost, I think 28 bucks..
Quietest place for late night study was an empty classroom in Pardee
All freshmen were tested and those who did not pass had to take a remedial reading course.
If you wanted beer on Sundays you had to go across the bridge to P'burg and buy it in quarts from a bar......and load up on Jimmy Dogs (from James on the Delaware) on the way back..
Gasoline for my 53 Olds (the guys called it The Refinery) was 25 cents/gallon.
Key City Diner had dinner plate specials for 75 cents.
We were shocked when we went downtown to see Goldfinger and heard that one of the characters was named Pussy Galore.....How times have changed, Carney........
Pard94
I remember taking a summer class at Villanova one year. I got into a discussion with the Nova students about their rules regarding having girls in the dorms. I believe their rule was you could not have girls in the dorms after 6:00PM. Apparently you could swing naked from the chandeliers up until 6:00 but no girls in the dorms after 6:00. When I told them that there were no rules about girls in dorms at Lafayette they could not believe it. They couldn't get their heads around the concept that you could essentially have a girl in your room 24x7 at least until you both got kicked out of school for not attending class. More than a couple of them said they were going to put in their transfer papers immediately.
carney2
It is not a coincidence that grade inflation and student ratings of instructors began at the exact same point in time - the late 60s. It is an unintended consequence of real significance. You can say what you will about how tough your instructors were and how hard you worked, but if you went through Lafayette, or any institution, after the late 60s you were not held to the same standard as your predecessors.
Franks Tanks
carney2 wrote:
It is not a coincidence that grade inflation and student ratings of instructors began at the exact same point in time - the late 60s. It is an unintended consequence of real significance. You can say what you will about how tough your instructors were and how hard you worked, but if you went through Lafayette, or any institution, after the late 60s you were not held to the same standard as your predecessors.
That is certainly true in regard to grading. I think students still work hard today but what may be an A- or B plus effort today would have perhaps been a C in your day. However, students are now expected to get those B plus A- grades, they were probably rather rare in the old days.
. T-Delt was gone and Fiji has virtually no football players after my class, the fraternity days were over for FB players and the social activities also drastically changed. We heard stories of the days Pard 94 lived through and were jealous. We had fun but it required more work to plan it.
