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ed65

Men's & Women's Soccer Saturday Night

Unfortunately both teams lost late.  Women to 'gate 2-1 with about 6 minutes left in regulation and men 3-2 in the 1st OT.  Men were up 2-1 with 16 minutes to go and let Navy back in with some very sloppy play in front of the keeper.

So all fall teams are back to overall losing records in this dismal season.  OT goal also resulted from some sloppy play in front of the goal.
Marooner

The bright side is that women's soccer is in the postseason and men's soccer is in a "win and they're in" situation with one match to go (and actually, they don't even have to win if they get a couple of breaks).
seenalot

Tourney spot should have been nailed shut yesterday - that was a weak Navy team.  Do not like the way this team (or many of the LC teams) lack a "close it out" mentality.   Not a recipe for anything besides "participation" in the tournament....
ed65

seenalot wrote:
Tourney spot should have been nailed shut yesterday - that was a weak Navy team.  Do not like the way this team (or many of the LC teams) lack a "close it out" mentality.   Not a recipe for anything besides "participation" in the tournament....


Totally agree "seen."   Programs that emphasize winning over participation know how to "close it out."  In the women's game, the team gave up two consecutive corners when the defenders managed to deflect the ball over the end line resulting in 'Gate corners in a crucial  part of the game.  'Gate scored on the second win for the win our our field.  Very disappointing.  In the men's game the keeper didn't catch or deflect a high ball, and the ball landed just to the right of the keeper directly on a Navy player's foot and he booted it in for the win.  Your are quite correct, Navy is not a good team.

The women's team can get a measure of redemption by going over to LU and beating them on Tuesday Night.  I would say this is a real test of the coach's ability to scout LU and to get the team prepared to play.
Marooner

I agree with both of you but, especially in soccer where one goal typically decides the outcome, it's tough to put too much emphasis on one game. We certainly have the potential to "make some noise" and get a win or in the PL tourneys (women and men if they get there).

Say what you will about the state of Lafayette athletics (and much of it is deserved), but it's nice to see two teams that are better than they were at this time last year... not sure how many we can say that about.
Andy

I guess, but in a crucial game with playoff implications LC loses to a Navy team that hadn't won a PL game all season. LC athletics in a nutshell.  But, hey, if you can play you can play.
bison137

Navy soccer this year has shown what a fine line there is between winning and losing in soccer - and the major role that luck can play.  In their 8 PL games, 5 went to OT and the other 3 were 1-goal games.  They also have played well in a lot of of ooc games. Navy was picked for 5th in the preseason poll and, with some better luck, might easily be in 5th.
NewXbo

bison137 wrote:
Navy soccer this year has shown what a fine line there is between winning and losing in soccer - and the major role that luck can play.  In their 8 PL games, 5 went to OT and the other 3 were 1-goal games.  They also have played well in a lot of of ooc games. Navy was picked for 5th in the preseason poll and, with some better luck, might easily be in 5th.


In my opinion execution is more important than luck.
ed65

NewXbo wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Navy soccer this year has shown what a fine line there is between winning and losing in soccer - and the major role that luck can play.  In their 8 PL games, 5 went to OT and the other 3 were 1-goal games.  They also have played well in a lot of of ooc games. Navy was picked for 5th in the preseason poll and, with some better luck, might easily be in 5th.


In my opinion execution is more important than luck.


Totally agree.  it is amazing for an ostensibly stat guy like 137 for promote luck as a way to win or lose.  But, alas, that is 137.
bison137

NewXbo wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Navy soccer this year has shown what a fine line there is between winning and losing in soccer - and the major role that luck can play.  In their 8 PL games, 5 went to OT and the other 3 were 1-goal games.  They also have played well in a lot of of ooc games. Navy was picked for 5th in the preseason poll and, with some better luck, might easily be in 5th.


In my opinion execution is more important than luck.



You apparently haven't watched much soccer.  When two teams are relatively equal, it is often luck that determines the outcome.   And in a number of cases, a team that dominates the game and has a huge edge in possession/shots will end up losing.  That can easily be demonstrated statistically.
ed65

bison137 wrote:
NewXbo wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Navy soccer this year has shown what a fine line there is between winning and losing in soccer - and the major role that luck can play.  In their 8 PL games, 5 went to OT and the other 3 were 1-goal games.  They also have played well in a lot of of ooc games. Navy was picked for 5th in the preseason poll and, with some better luck, might easily be in 5th.


In my opinion execution is more important than luck.



You apparently haven't watched much soccer.  When two teams are relatively equal, it is often luck that determines the outcome.   And in a number of cases, a team that dominates the game and has a huge edge in possession/shots will end up losing.  That can easily be demonstrated statistically.


While the vicissitudes of soccer can lead to some lucky goals, I'm sure, it does seem that at the end of the season, the better teams come out on top.  But since 137 says about luck: "that can easily be demonstrated statistically."  Have at it 137 and provide us with the demonstration.  Thanks.
leopard88

Here's an example --

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-06-25/sports/sp-376_1_world-cup

I still remember watching this game.  The 11-6 Brazil advantages in shots referenced in the article doesn't even begin to tell the difference in this game.  Brazil completely dominated the match and hit the woodwork twice . . . only to see Argentina win on its only truly threatening chance of the match.
Andy

So, we selectively apply the addage, you are what your record says you are?

Navy was 0-5.  Everyone except us got lucky.
ed65

Andy wrote:
So, we selectively apply the addage, you are what your record says you are?

Navy was 0-5.  Everyone except us got lucky.


Shout out to Bill Parcells: A good way to assess any sports team is to look at their record.  Coaches have to emphasize the positives so Frank can stress that the team has been "in" many of their games but in reality, they play like a 2-7 team.  Both soccer coaches are just below .500 which aptly describes their seasons and both lost critical games on Saturday Night (which, oh by the way, would have enhanced their PL Tournament seedings).

And the best example is Field Hockey which started out well with the big win over Met College and went steadily down hill after that including eking one out a win over LU (who is terrible in FH) after a long losing streak.  The team ended up with an 8-10 record - you could say they under-performed and lost a great player in Jonckher (sp) for seven games and was not the same after that.  However when you look at the statistics in the PL Games, the only reliable scorer was Amanda who is a Mid fielder.  The forwards did not score at all, and almost looked afraid to shoot.  Having seen all the team's PL games except Lehigh (due to the streaming feed being down), I think Amanda Magadan was the best player in the League.  She will be impossible to replace, and it will be fascinating to see who steps up next year.  I simply do not understand why the forwards did not score and wonder what was up with the coaching and/or strategy.
Spardicus80

Tough to win when you don't score.  I guess that most of the sports teams at Lafayette believe that they are competing in a X-C event where the low score wins.
Andy

Big congrats to women for playoff WIN over lehigh. Way to go, Pards!

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