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pgmillspunk

Moorehead to PSU

Well Coach Franklin reaching to Patriot League to rival PSU O, O my!!! Shocked  Surprised
Zeus

smart move before the rest of the league caught up to them scholarship wise. The guy made a career at Fordham based off beating up on teams without scholarships or less scholarships, taking on transfers/JUCO and taking guys other programs wouldn't sniff admissions wise. Smart time to leave.
SIDELINER

Zeus wrote:
smart move before the rest of the league caught up to them scholarship wise. The guy made a career at Fordham based off beating up on teams without scholarships or less scholarships, taking on transfers/JUCO and taking guys other programs wouldn't sniff admissions wise. Smart time to leave.


Amen. Will new Rams' head have to live by the rules?
Franks Tanks

Zeus wrote:
smart move before the rest of the league caught up to them scholarship wise. The guy made a career at Fordham based off beating up on teams without scholarships or less scholarships, taking on transfers/JUCO and taking guys other programs wouldn't sniff admissions wise. Smart time to leave.


He was and is also a tremendous football coach.  He also beat Temple and Army and his teams were very well coached.
bison137

SIDELINER wrote:
Zeus wrote:
smart move before the rest of the league caught up to them scholarship wise. The guy made a career at Fordham based off beating up on teams without scholarships or less scholarships, taking on transfers/JUCO and taking guys other programs wouldn't sniff admissions wise. Smart time to leave.


Amen. Will new Rams' head have to live by the rules?



New coach will have to live by the rules - just as Moorhead did.   The issues are that (a) AI for transfers probably needs to be adjusted further;  and (b) Fordham has a somewhat lower AI because the SAT of its overall student body is worse than that of the other PL schools.
RichH

bison137 wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
Zeus wrote:
smart move before the rest of the league caught up to them scholarship wise. The guy made a career at Fordham based off beating up on teams without scholarships or less scholarships, taking on transfers/JUCO and taking guys other programs wouldn't sniff admissions wise. Smart time to leave.


Amen. Will new Rams' head have to live by the rules?



New coach will have to live by the rules - just as Moorhead did.   The issues are that (a) AI for transfers probably needs to be adjusted further;  and (b) Fordham has a somewhat lower AI because the SAT of its overall student body is worse than that of the other PL schools.


True as to AI but not ,IMO,a major factor given the PL floor for frosh recruits. Absolutely agree on transfer advantage for Fordham. The rule needs to be clarified . Pre schollie transfers were rare. Transfers are now an issue that has to be addressed.
SIDELINER

bison137 wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
Zeus wrote:
smart move before the rest of the league caught up to them scholarship wise. The guy made a career at Fordham based off beating up on teams without scholarships or less scholarships, taking on transfers/JUCO and taking guys other programs wouldn't sniff admissions wise. Smart time to leave.


Amen. Will new Rams' head have to live by the rules?



New coach will have to live by the rules - just as Moorhead did.   The issues are that (a) AI for transfers probably needs to be adjusted further;  and (b) Fordham has a somewhat lower AI because the SAT of its overall student body is worse than that of the other PL schools.


In other words, Coach Moorhead had some loopholes he could play around with to achieve an advantage he then put to good use. Not a bad deal to be able to bring a quarterback with him from Connecticut and then have that guy turn out to be arguably the league's best for a couple of years. And that's just one case. But the most amazing thing to me was the way the Rams were able to pick up almost where they left off after losing like 18 starters from the previous season.
The Maroon

Franks Tanks wrote:
Zeus wrote:
smart move before the rest of the league caught up to them scholarship wise. The guy made a career at Fordham based off beating up on teams without scholarships or less scholarships, taking on transfers/JUCO and taking guys other programs wouldn't sniff admissions wise. Smart time to leave.


He was and is also a tremendous football coach.  He also beat Temple and Army and his teams were very well coached.


It's always been an odd relationship between Fordham and the rest of the league - and now it's one of convenience. Fordham would have bolted years ago if they had good options and the league would have dumped them some time ago if it had viable alternatives.

Fordham plays by perfectly reasonable rules - they just don't fit in with the league.  We don't complain when they stink and we were laughing at their ineptitude the first couple years they had scholarships (check the archives).

Right now I'm not worried about Fordham - I'm more concerned that we seemed more competitive and picked up an NFL-caliber player every few years without scholarships. I realize to those of you passing through that's hard to believe - but we've hit some very low points over the years but this seems somehow worse.

And Colgate and Lehigh were able to make soiid runs into the playoffs without scholarships as well. Lehigh's teams the last few years under Higgins were annoyingly good - and we complained about their low at the time.

If nothing else we've become amazingly good at excuses over time.

Can we focus on the fact that non-scholarship Georgetown kicked the crap out of us and that Holy Cross seems to have passed us by a longshot at virtually every position? Then we can focus on the unfairness of Fordham's advantage.
SIDELINER

I think that in many ways the 2015 season can be considered an aberration, especially in the cases of two games mentioned by The Maroon. Neither the Georgetown nor the Holy Cross loss -- and both were horrible, for sure -- is reflective of the series over, say, the last 10 years.

Holy Cross had one four-game winning streak, but it included victories of 1, 2 and 5 points.  And, losses to Georgetown in 2010-11-12 were by 4, 1 and 3 points.

I'd propose that the 2016 junior and sophomore classes have the beginnings of a turnaround that will be putting a more positive spin on some of the chats on this board.

And, the first class of scholarship players also has a number of players who will get credit for starting that ball running.

And from what I'm seeing of the verbal commits this early in the game for next February, the puzzle will be coming together.

I, for one, am already looking forward to spring camp. As I've said before, that's the glass-half-full approach. I reject the idea that the glass is empty.
The Maroon

SIDELINER wrote:
I think that in many ways the 2015 season can be considered an aberration, especially in the cases of two games mentioned by The Maroon. Neither the Georgetown nor the Holy Cross loss -- and both were horrible, for sure -- is reflective of the series over, say, the last 10 years.

Holy Cross had one four-game winning streak, but it included victories of 1, 2 and 5 points.  And, losses to Georgetown in 2010-11-12 were by 4, 1 and 3 points.

I'd propose that the 2016 junior and sophomore classes have the beginnings of a turnaround that will be putting a more positive spin on some of the chats on this board.

And, the first class of scholarship players also has a number of players who will get credit for starting that ball running.

And from what I'm seeing of the verbal commits this early in the game for next February, the puzzle will be coming together.

I, for one, am already looking forward to spring camp. As I've said before, that's the glass-half-full approach. I reject the idea that the glass is empty.


You're definitely more on top of things than I am - but I don't think the HC loss was an aberration. Georgetown I would venture is going to have a harder time  year in and year out.

Haven't we all done this enough to have some level of caution before annointing recruiting classes as great?

The last two games this season did give me some level of optimism - cautious optimism.
bethlehempard

1-10
Outscored 384-130
Not competitive in six games. Not remotely competitive.
Consecutive 42-0 shutouts.
Blown out by a non-scholarship team.
The one win, over a horrible team.
Sixth-straight losing season and as noted before very few wins in that stretch over winning teams.
How anybody can look at 2015 and not see a disaster that requires big change is a mystery.
NewXbo

The Maroon wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
I think that in many ways the 2015 season can be considered an aberration, especially in the cases of two games mentioned by The Maroon. Neither the Georgetown nor the Holy Cross loss -- and both were horrible, for sure -- is reflective of the series over, say, the last 10 years.

Holy Cross had one four-game winning streak, but it included victories of 1, 2 and 5 points.  And, losses to Georgetown in 2010-11-12 were by 4, 1 and 3 points.

I'd propose that the 2016 junior and sophomore classes have the beginnings of a turnaround that will be putting a more positive spin on some of the chats on this board.

And, the first class of scholarship players also has a number of players who will get credit for starting that ball running.

And from what I'm seeing of the verbal commits this early in the game for next February, the puzzle will be coming together.

I, for one, am already looking forward to spring camp. As I've said before, that's the glass-half-full approach. I reject the idea that the glass is empty.


You're definitely more on top of things than I am - but I don't think the HC loss was an aberration. Georgetown I would venture is going to have a harder time  year in and year out.

Haven't we all done this enough to have some level of caution before annointing recruiting classes as great?

The last two games this season did give me some level of optimism - cautious optimism.


Georgetown has attracted good players over the years even without scholarships because it is considered a prestigious school by many students who were not accepted by the Ivies. In the past many agreed to play but quit the team once they got admitted.  It appears that that has changed and that many of the recruits are now fulfilling their commitment.
leopard88

Zeus wrote:
smart move before the rest of the league caught up to them scholarship wise. The guy made a career at Fordham based off beating up on teams without scholarships or less scholarships, taking on transfers/JUCO and taking guys other programs wouldn't sniff admissions wise. Smart time to leave.


This is similar to when Mark Duffner left Holy Cross just as their last scholarship class was leaving and they came back to the pack.  He rode the Gordie Lockbaum train to Maryland . . . then flamed out with my Terps.  Grrrrr.
Franks Tanks

leopard88 wrote:
Zeus wrote:
smart move before the rest of the league caught up to them scholarship wise. The guy made a career at Fordham based off beating up on teams without scholarships or less scholarships, taking on transfers/JUCO and taking guys other programs wouldn't sniff admissions wise. Smart time to leave.


This is similar to when Mark Duffner left Holy Cross just as their last scholarship class was leaving and they came back to the pack.  He rode the Gordie Lockbaum train to Maryland . . . then flamed out with my Terps.  Grrrrr.


To be fair pretty much everyone has flamed out with the Terps!

Duffner has been a position coach in the NFL ever since leaving MD.  He seems to like it, and why not given they he is making a couple hundred grand a year.
Kpard

Not coaching the bowl game, from what I understand. Previous OC passing schemes were plain vanilla. I'm sure there is a lot of conversation going on in the Hackenberg household.

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