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BillS

morning call

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/e...ege-expansion-20160722-story.html
leopard88

Buy out Campus Pizza?!?!?!?!  Blasphemy!!!!!!!




Otherwise, this sounds good to me.
NewXbo

The Express will probably have an article next week. Waiting to see if Tony Rhodin's house is on the demo list.
adcs2

Rhodin will put together a photo gallery of the buildings to be demolished.
Franks Tanks

adcs2 wrote:
Rhodin will put together a photo gallery of the buildings to be demolished.


along with plenty of complaining about "lost tax revenue" in the comment section
Lafalum

Sounds like a solid plan although I would allow Campus Pizza to run their business in the business part of the development. They would of course pay rent.
The Maroon

NewXbo wrote:
The Express will probably have an article next week. Waiting to see if Tony Rhodin's house is on the demo list.


Unlike the Mcall article, it will be meandering and go in and out of the facts while ensuring that those who are against it - no matter how removed they are from the matter - get the chance to poo-poo it.

One would hope the increase in tuition would help out the athletic department, but we'll find a way to screw that up!

But I'm getting ahead of myself on that one.
Marooner

The Maroon wrote:
Unlike the Mcall article, it will be meandering and go in and out of the facts while ensuring that those who are against it - no matter how removed they are from the matter - get the chance to poo-poo it.

Well, newspapers do need to become more Internet-friendly if they want to survive, and nothing screams "Internet" quite like that!
ed65

Lafalum wrote:
Sounds like a solid plan although I would allow Campus Pizza to run their business in the business part of the development. They would of course pay rent.


Agreed.  I wonder what other retail businesses they are considering.
LeopardBall10

ed65 wrote:
Agreed.  I wonder what other retail businesses they are considering.


Unless I am missing out on any new retail expansion on March St., I think the  businesses that may end up uprooted are the Lafayette Cleaners, Campus Pizza, Cosmic Cup, and that Mexican restaurant if it still exists. I know the school owns all of the buildings around these businesses, but do they also already own these properties as landlords? It would seem irresponsible to announce an expansion if you didn't already have your hands on the land.

Also, did I miss something in the article? It sounded like this was just a new living area. These businesses would just end up displaced. And no way the college allows an outside business to sell food/drinks in a college owned facility. They have had a strangle hold on every food dollar (outside of the relatively failed Pard Dollars program) and they won't likely give that up anytime soon.
adcs2

Byerly/Panto press conference

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/e...lpha-building-20160809-story.html
leopard88

The plans are summarized generally on these pages of the college website.  The first one was posted on the college's Facebook page yesterday.

https://www.lafayette.edu/college...utm_campaign=travelways+promo+one

https://www.lafayette.edu/college-town/

I don't know when these were first posted, but no mention is made of the Skyway.
Pards Rule

LeopardBall10 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
Agreed.  I wonder what other retail businesses they are considering.


Unless I am missing out on any new retail expansion on March St., I think the  businesses that may end up uprooted are the Lafayette Cleaners, Campus Pizza, Cosmic Cup, and that Mexican restaurant if it still exists. I know the school owns all of the buildings around these businesses, but do they also already own these properties as landlords? It would seem irresponsible to announce an expansion if you didn't already have your hands on the land.

Also, did I miss something in the article? It sounded like this was just a new living area. These businesses would just end up displaced. And no way the college allows an outside business to sell food/drinks in a college owned facility. They have had a strangle hold on every food dollar (outside of the relatively failed Pard Dollars program) and they won't likely give that up anytime soon.


LB10 good points all. As a commercial RE Mgr, I can tell you that the negotiations started as legally they must prior to invoking eminent domain. There must be a good faith effort to arrive at a price before starting the alternative - but its much easier negotiating price when you have "3 wise appraisers" ready to make a final monetary determination, if it comes to that. FMV is FMV, backed up by recent comps. Personally I would like to see Campus Pizza, Mojo and the Cleaners retained as tenants in the development. I think it gives a good town/gown feel rather than the complete LC takeover of a nice marketplace street setting that you have there now. It would be also beneficial to College Hill, lest we forget those residents are customers too. I like the idea of a diner, however, parking must be addressed on that one. Not sure if they can fit all the concepts in the area discussed. I know parking can be done underneath the proposed buildings or underground perhaps (particularly for residence halls) but I think that type of concept wouldnt jibe with the College Hill type streetscape one would like to see developed on both sides of March Street. BTW can we change the thread title to Lafayette Master Plan for College Hill or similar as I think we would get more readers and input. A lot of folks would just pass over thread titled "Morning Call"..
Bogus Megapardus

Pards Rule - it looks as if eminent domain will not be necessary.  Apparently the college already owns all the buildings (including Campus Pizza) that are going to be razed.

Click here for a look at the proposed layout.

I know nothing about it, but it seems to me that Campus Pizza would remain where it is, except it will be in a new building ("Building 2") with student housing in the upper floors.

Also I recall that the original Dan Weiss master plan calls for underground parking in the footprint where Watson Courts now sit (SW corner of McCartney Street and Clinton Terrace).  No big loss there - IMHO Watson Courts are the very worst of Lafayette's housing inventory.
Bogus Megapardus

leopard88 wrote:

I don't know when these were first posted, but no mention is made of the Skyway.



"[W]e decided to explore preliminary concept designs for a possible outdoor elevator that would ascend College Hill from the Williams Arts Campus."

https://news.lafayette.edu/2016/08/08/accommodating-growth/
Pards Rule

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Pards Rule - it looks as if eminent domain will not be necessary.  Apparently the college already owns all the buildings (including Campus Pizza) that are going to be razed.

Click here for a look at the proposed layout.

I know nothing about it, but it seems to me that Campus Pizza would remain where it is, except it will be in a new building ("Building 2") with student housing in the upper floors.

Also I recall that the original Dan Weiss master plan calls for underground parking in the footprint where Watson Courts now sit (SW corner of McCartney Street and Clinton Terrace).  No big loss there - IMHO Watson Courts are the very worst of Lafayette's housing inventory.


Agreed but back in my day (1980-84) they were the bomb and everyone wanted to live there! Shows you what 35 years will do to a place. Anyways, I dont see a diner speced out? If so, I would propose it to be on the parcel where the Gulf station sat across from Wawa. Thats the ONLY reasonable place. It looks like they are retaining some of the buildings that exist (maybe  LC doesnt own those?) which is nice in an incorporation aspect to integrate the new with the old. I think it will look sterile to say the least coming in there and bulldozing and putting up the equivalent of a New Urbanism complex. That would defeat the purpose and tradition I submit. I would like to see the bookstore incorporated in the Building 2 with Campus Pizza - I can see an adjoining layout and then incorporating a Mojo coffee shop in there also. I recall the parking garage concept for Watson Courts area. Do I see in this plan where Sigma Nu will be demolished? Does the admin read these suggestions?
Pards Rule

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
leopard88 wrote:

I don't know when these were first posted, but no mention is made of the Skyway.



"[W]e decided to explore preliminary concept designs for a possible outdoor elevator that would ascend College Hill from the Williams Arts Campus."

https://news.lafayette.edu/2016/08/08/accommodating-growth/


Suggestion, look at the design of the outdoor elevator used at the Otter Rock Inn in Otter Rock, Oregon where I stayed in Sept 1989 when Hurricane Hugo hit Charleston SC.
leopard88

Pards Rule wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Pards Rule - it looks as if eminent domain will not be necessary.  Apparently the college already owns all the buildings (including Campus Pizza) that are going to be razed.

Click here for a look at the proposed layout.

I know nothing about it, but it seems to me that Campus Pizza would remain where it is, except it will be in a new building ("Building 2") with student housing in the upper floors.

Also I recall that the original Dan Weiss master plan calls for underground parking in the footprint where Watson Courts now sit (SW corner of McCartney Street and Clinton Terrace).  No big loss there - IMHO Watson Courts are the very worst of Lafayette's housing inventory.


Agreed but back in my day (1980-84) they were the bomb and everyone wanted to live there! Shows you what 35 years will do to a place. Anyways, I dont see a diner speced out? If so, I would propose it to be on the parcel where the Gulf station sat across from Wawa. Thats the ONLY reasonable place. It looks like they are retaining some of the buildings that exist (maybe  LC doesnt own those?) which is nice in an incorporation aspect to integrate the new with the old. I think it will look sterile to say the least coming in there and bulldozing and putting up the equivalent of a New Urbanism complex. That would defeat the purpose and tradition I submit. I would like to see the bookstore incorporated in the Building 2 with Campus Pizza - I can see an adjoining layout and then incorporating a Mojo coffee shop in there also. I recall the parking garage concept for Watson Courts area. Do I see in this plan where Sigma Nu will be demolished? Does the admin read these suggestions?


1.  Was eminent domain ever even a consideration (had it been needed, that is)?  I know Kelo allows the use of eminent domain to transfer property from one private owner to another as a result of the benefits to the community.  However, I know that isn't a very popular option in most places.

2.  I also remember when the Courts were the creme de la creme (circa 1988).  Times have definitely changed.

3.  Sigma Nu?  What now?  The picture on the left in the link still shows my old fraternity house (middle third of the picture, cut off at the bottom).  It is across the alley from the parking lot on the south side of Clinton Terrace.
BPard

leopard88 wrote:
3.  Sigma Nu?  What now?  The picture on the left in the link still shows my old fraternity house (middle third of the picture, cut off at the bottom).  It is across the alley from the parking lot on the south side of Clinton Terrace.
I believe it currently houses Alpha Gamma Delta (AGD) Sorority.
leopard88

BPard wrote:
leopard88 wrote:
3.  Sigma Nu?  What now?  The picture on the left in the link still shows my old fraternity house (middle third of the picture, cut off at the bottom).  It is across the alley from the parking lot on the south side of Clinton Terrace.
I believe it currently houses Alpha Gamma Delta (AGD) Sorority.


I am sadly aware of that fact.   Evil or Very Mad  The "what now" referred to the supposed demolition of the house.

. . . but there is still a set of Sigma Nu letters embedded in the front steps (at least last time I checked).

http://sites.lafayette.edu/greeks.../2015/07/AlphaGammaDeltaHouse.jpg

5th step from the bottom.  
Pards Rule

OK what if Sigma Nu or whatever it is called now is preserved, college moves Mojo into that and then starts the next building housing the bookstore and Campus Pizza? Im assuming the street that comes off of the LC entrance over to Cattell Ave (what is name?) is erased in this plan? So that way, I submit you have Campus Pizza at March, and going toward the downtown, the bookstore and cleaners (if they want to be there) and then the reprised Sigma Nu serving as the Mojo Coffehouse overlooking downtown (clear out a few trees for better view on the hill).
Pards Rule

Im really intrigued with the idea of what I proposed.
NewXbo

Pards Rule wrote:
Im really intrigued with the idea of what I proposed.


Yeah, all you have to do now is send that big check.
Pards Rule

NewXbo wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
Im really intrigued with the idea of what I proposed.


Yeah, all you have to do now is send that big check.


Yeah as if they dont have enough of that already. Maybe I can mine my charitable foundation for it!
flyfisher

So for the past few weeks I have read these articles and looked at the buildings downtown and around Campus Pizza. I don't know all you guys know about LC and Easton but in my opinion, this looks like the best move the college has made since I started caring about LC. Even the elevator/tram makes sense to me, especially with 80 admin/overhead jobs of LC moving downtown. And the the Williams building and planned future growth, it makes sense to me. The tram could actually be a cool feature kinda like the tram in Pittsburgh going from the parks up to the restaurants overlooking Pittsburgh.

I now also see what matters to Byerly and the BOT, and it probably should. This is the future and the growth of the College. The current state of Football and athletics is just a fly in the soup. It only really matters if and when it would slow down alumni donations.

Gotta admit, the growth and future of the college is the most important issue. The College is almost landlocked and this gives them an avenue to expand.
Lafalum

flyfisher wrote:
So for the past few weeks I have read these articles and looked at the buildings downtown and around Campus Pizza. I don't know all you guys know about LC and Easton but in my opinion, this looks like the best move the college has made since I started caring about LC. Even the elevator/tram makes sense to me, especially with 80 admin/overhead jobs of LC moving downtown. And the the Williams building and planned future growth, it makes sense to me. The tram could actually be a cool feature kinda like the tram in Pittsburgh going from the parks up to the restaurants overlooking Pittsburgh.

I now also see what matters to Byerly and the BOT, and it probably should. This is the future and the growth of the College. The current state of Football and athletics is just a fly in the soup. It only really matters if and when it would slow down alumni donations.

Gotta admit, the growth and future of the college is the most important issue. The College is almost landlocked and this gives them an avenue to expand.


The Mayor disagrees and calls it a waste of money. The staff is all the way by the circle, they will not be using the elevator. A shuttle is a more economic solution. The ten million could be used elsewhere as a lump sum or as income to apply to hiring decent coaches and assistants. A robust athletic department is far better asset to Easton and the College.
The college still owns significant property east of the campus and out near Metzgar to house staff or maybe for a graduate campus.
ed65

Totally agree with Lafalum on this one.  The funicular is a terrible idea when shuttle buses make so much sense.  I also agree with fly's suggestion that Byerly is about the future of the College.  I'm not sure athletics is a "fly" on that.  I truly think she can be turned around on athletics especially if it positively benefits fund raising.  She is a reasonable person IMHO.
flyfisher

i saw the mayor was against it. not sure his opinion really matters. The College appears to be a driving force for the town. Personally I like it. Employees may not use it but students will.
bethlehempard

I'm for the elevator. I walk up those steps a couple times per year but that's not why. It will bring activity to an overlooked part of the campus and provide a link to town. The mayor's opposition may be sincere, may be for public consumption (tax dollars are at stake) or may be a ploy.
He can't stop it from happening but maybe he can get something out of the college.
It's not as though every new dollar comes down to sports vs. something else. There is a lot going on, on The Hill and downtown.
BPard

My understanding with the elevator is that it will connect Buck Hall to the rest of campus so it is focused for students and the Arts Campus - not the admin jobs moving downtown.

The mayor thinks it is a waste of money (but Easton's money so he doesn't really care) because he thinks the College should have the city seize the Bushkill Drive private property, build that up to a new 8 story building, and then create a skyway across to connect with the rest of the campus.

That certainly is a big vision, but it relies on a lot more money, the city seizing private property to turn it over to the College, and a much bigger construction project. Thumbs down to Mr. Mayor on this one.

Also, its not going to be $10m in College money because the state is kicking in half.
leopard88

flyfisher wrote:
i saw the mayor was against it. not sure his opinion really matters. The College appears to be a driving force for the town. Personally I like it. Employees may not use it but students will.


Agreed.

One other thing to consider --
The elevator would certainly be a memorable landmark for the public and prospective students.  I believe that carries intangible value.
Lafalum

leopard88 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
i saw the mayor was against it. not sure his opinion really matters. The College appears to be a driving force for the town. Personally I like it. Employees may not use it but students will.


Agreed.

One other thing to consider --
The elevator would certainly be a memorable landmark for the public and prospective students.  I believe that carries intangible value.


Having been a generous donor over the years, I still think it is a boondoggle and waste of money that could be used for more important projects. Is this really the best use of money, even if "only" 5 mio?? It does make me less likely to donate to the general fund rather than a specific endowment.
2012Pard

leopard88 wrote:

One other thing to consider --
The elevator would certainly be a memorable landmark for the public and prospective students.  I believe that carries intangible value.


I, on the other hand, anticipate that the Great Glass Elevator will quickly become an embarrassing eyesore.  My fearless prediction:

-Within one month of opening, the elevator will reek of urine.

-Within three months of opening, graffiti of an offensive nature will be prominently displayed in or on the elevator.

-By the end of the elevator's first winter, its exterior will be filthy.  The college will clean its exterior once per year, over the summer, leaving it as a filthy eyesore for the entire spring semester.

-Several times per year, one or more windows in the elevator will be broken.  The College will take several months to replace the window on each occasion, leaving the elevator unavailable for use more often than not.  After several cycles of this, President Byerly will send a "This is why we can't have nice things" email to the college community, and the elevator will be abandoned, left prominently displayed on the hillside as a constant reminder of the administration's poor decisions.

-The abandoned elevator's structure becomes a popular destination for inebriated students to climb upon.  Somebody gets themselves killed, college finally removes the structure.
NewXbo

2012Pard wrote:
leopard88 wrote:

One other thing to consider --
The elevator would certainly be a memorable landmark for the public and prospective students.  I believe that carries intangible value.


I, on the other hand, anticipate that the Great Glass Elevator will quickly become an embarrassing eyesore.  My fearless prediction:

-Within one month of opening, the elevator will reek of urine.

-Within three months of opening, graffiti of an offensive nature will be prominently displayed in or on the elevator.

-By the end of the elevator's first winter, its exterior will be filthy.  The college will clean its exterior once per year, over the summer, leaving it as a filthy eyesore for the entire spring semester.

-Several times per year, one or more windows in the elevator will be broken.  The College will take several months to replace the window on each occasion, leaving the elevator unavailable for use more often than not.  After several cycles of this, President Byerly will send a "This is why we can't have nice things" email to the college community, and the elevator will be abandoned, left prominently displayed on the hillside as a constant reminder of the administration's poor decisions.

-The abandoned elevator's structure becomes a popular destination for inebriated students to climb upon.  Somebody gets themselves killed, college finally removes the structure.



Yup

They already have a bus that goes to Metzger and the Mall, just expand it to downtown Easton.
Lafalum

NewXbo wrote:
2012Pard wrote:
leopard88 wrote:

One other thing to consider --
The elevator would certainly be a memorable landmark for the public and prospective students.  I believe that carries intangible value.


I, on the other hand, anticipate that the Great Glass Elevator will quickly become an embarrassing eyesore.  My fearless prediction:

-Within one month of opening, the elevator will reek of urine.

-Within three months of opening, graffiti of an offensive nature will be prominently displayed in or on the elevator.

-By the end of the elevator's first winter, its exterior will be filthy.  The college will clean its exterior once per year, over the summer, leaving it as a filthy eyesore for the entire spring semester.

-Several times per year, one or more windows in the elevator will be broken.  The College will take several months to replace the window on each occasion, leaving the elevator unavailable for use more often than not.  After several cycles of this, President Byerly will send a "This is why we can't have nice things" email to the college community, and the elevator will be abandoned, left prominently displayed on the hillside as a constant reminder of the administration's poor decisions.

-The abandoned elevator's structure becomes a popular destination for inebriated students to climb upon.  Somebody gets themselves killed, college finally removes the structure.



Yup

They already have a bus that goes to Metzger and the Mall, just expand it to downtown Easton.


Add to the above maintenance issues during the winter, stuck and frozen machinery. To me it's simple, what is the best use of funds, an elevator or......? You fill in the blanks. The arts center was not fully paid for. I do know of one donor who has not paid their pledge for the past two years!
leopard88

Perhaps my years of watching every autumn leaf on campus disappear before 9:00 a.m. has engendered too much trust in the ability of the college to keep the elevator in good working order.
WVPard

Will new prospective students flock to LC because of an elevator/incline?

The facilities have improved so much since my time on the Hill in the late 80's that I've almost forgotten how crappy many of the facilities actually were.  The Wombats did a great job maintaining everything and keeping the campus beautiful, but for the most part, the buildings were just dated during that time period.

It all looks and feels way nicer now.  So, imagine the $10 large continuing those improvements, and purchasing a couple of nice eco-friendly buses to shuttle kids around (like basically every other school with a larger footprint).
That just seems to make more sense.

As for Sal Jr., he is just happy that the school is finally taking up some commercial space in the downtown.
ed65

2012Pard wrote:
leopard88 wrote:

One other thing to consider --
The elevator would certainly be a memorable landmark for the public and prospective students.  I believe that carries intangible value.


I, on the other hand, anticipate that the Great Glass Elevator will quickly become an embarrassing eyesore.  My fearless prediction:

-Within one month of opening, the elevator will reek of urine.

-Within three months of opening, graffiti of an offensive nature will be prominently displayed in or on the elevator.

-By the end of the elevator's first winter, its exterior will be filthy.  The college will clean its exterior once per year, over the summer, leaving it as a filthy eyesore for the entire spring semester.

-Several times per year, one or more windows in the elevator will be broken.  The College will take several months to replace the window on each occasion, leaving the elevator unavailable for use more often than not.  After several cycles of this, President Byerly will send a "This is why we can't have nice things" email to the college community, and the elevator will be abandoned, left prominently displayed on the hillside as a constant reminder of the administration's poor decisions.

-The abandoned elevator's structure becomes a popular destination for inebriated students to climb upon.  Somebody gets themselves killed, college finally removes the structure.


LOL!
flyfisher

Pards Rule wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Pards Rule - it looks as if eminent domain will not be necessary.  Apparently the college already owns all the buildings (including Campus Pizza) that are going to be razed.

Click here for a look at the proposed layout.

I know nothing about it, but it seems to me that Campus Pizza would remain where it is, except it will be in a new building ("Building 2") with student housing in the upper floors.

Also I recall that the original Dan Weiss master plan calls for underground parking in the footprint where Watson Courts now sit (SW corner of McCartney Street and Clinton Terrace).  No big loss there - IMHO Watson Courts are the very worst of Lafayette's housing inventory.


Agreed but back in my day (1980-84) they were the bomb and everyone wanted to live there! Shows you what 35 years will do to a place. Anyways, I dont see a diner speced out? If so, I would propose it to be on the parcel where the Gulf station sat across from Wawa. Thats the ONLY reasonable place. It looks like they are retaining some of the buildings that exist (maybe  LC doesnt own those?) which is nice in an incorporation aspect to integrate the new with the old. I think it will look sterile to say the least coming in there and bulldozing and putting up the equivalent of a New Urbanism complex. That would defeat the purpose and tradition I submit. I would like to see the bookstore incorporated in the Building 2 with Campus Pizza - I can see an adjoining layout and then incorporating a Mojo coffee shop in there also. I recall the parking garage concept for Watson Courts area. Do I see in this plan where Sigma Nu will be demolished? Does the admin read these suggestions?


Just a note on Watson Courts, you now have to sign a waiver to live there that says you will not sue the college due to the asbestos in the buildings. What does that tell you?
flyfisher

Pards Rule wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Pards Rule - it looks as if eminent domain will not be necessary.  Apparently the college already owns all the buildings (including Campus Pizza) that are going to be razed.

Click here for a look at the proposed layout.

I know nothing about it, but it seems to me that Campus Pizza would remain where it is, except it will be in a new building ("Building 2") with student housing in the upper floors.

Also I recall that the original Dan Weiss master plan calls for underground parking in the footprint where Watson Courts now sit (SW corner of McCartney Street and Clinton Terrace).  No big loss there - IMHO Watson Courts are the very worst of Lafayette's housing inventory.


Agreed but back in my day (1980-84) they were the bomb and everyone wanted to live there! Shows you what 35 years will do to a place. Anyways, I dont see a diner speced out? If so, I would propose it to be on the parcel where the Gulf station sat across from Wawa. Thats the ONLY reasonable place. It looks like they are retaining some of the buildings that exist (maybe  LC doesnt own those?) which is nice in an incorporation aspect to integrate the new with the old. I think it will look sterile to say the least coming in there and bulldozing and putting up the equivalent of a New Urbanism complex. That would defeat the purpose and tradition I submit. I would like to see the bookstore incorporated in the Building 2 with Campus Pizza - I can see an adjoining layout and then incorporating a Mojo coffee shop in there also. I recall the parking garage concept for Watson Courts area. Do I see in this plan where Sigma Nu will be demolished? Does the admin read these suggestions?


Just a note on Watson Courts, you now have to sign a waiver to live there that says you will not sue the college due to the asbestos in the buildings. What does that tell you?
ed65

flyfisher wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Pards Rule - it looks as if eminent domain will not be necessary.  Apparently the college already owns all the buildings (including Campus Pizza) that are going to be razed.

Click here for a look at the proposed layout.

I know nothing about it, but it seems to me that Campus Pizza would remain where it is, except it will be in a new building ("Building 2") with student housing in the upper floors.

Also I recall that the original Dan Weiss master plan calls for underground parking in the footprint where Watson Courts now sit (SW corner of McCartney Street and Clinton Terrace).  No big loss there - IMHO Watson Courts are the very worst of Lafayette's housing inventory.


Agreed but back in my day (1980-84) they were the bomb and everyone wanted to live there! Shows you what 35 years will do to a place. Anyways, I dont see a diner speced out? If so, I would propose it to be on the parcel where the Gulf station sat across from Wawa. Thats the ONLY reasonable place. It looks like they are retaining some of the buildings that exist (maybe  LC doesnt own those?) which is nice in an incorporation aspect to integrate the new with the old. I think it will look sterile to say the least coming in there and bulldozing and putting up the equivalent of a New Urbanism complex. That would defeat the purpose and tradition I submit. I would like to see the bookstore incorporated in the Building 2 with Campus Pizza - I can see an adjoining layout and then incorporating a Mojo coffee shop in there also. I recall the parking garage concept for Watson Courts area. Do I see in this plan where Sigma Nu will be demolished? Does the admin read these suggestions?


Just a note on Watson Courts, you now have to sign a waiver to live there that says you will not sue the college due to the asbestos in the buildings. What does that tell you?


That is pathetic.  Alison, what is the plan?  Kids will sign the waiver forever.  This is inexcusable IMHO.
BPard

The plan is to raze Watson Courts. That's been the plan unless something changed recently.
flyfisher

BPard wrote:
The plan is to raze Watson Courts. That's been the plan unless something changed recently.


They should, for several reasons. First, they are not safe, they look terrible inside, but that land could be used differently to increase the student housing density.
ed65

flyfisher wrote:
BPard wrote:
The plan is to raze Watson Courts. That's been the plan unless something changed recently.


They should, ffor several reasons. First, they are not safe, they look terrible inside, but that land could be used differently to increase the student housing density.



Good idea: is there enough room over there to construct a larger building as opposed to replacing Watson with dorm of the same size?
Lafalum

ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
BPard wrote:
The plan is to raze Watson Courts. That's been the plan unless something changed recently.


They should, ffor several reasons. First, they are not safe, they look terrible inside, but that land could be used differently to increase the student housing density.



Good idea: is there enough room over there to construct a larger building as opposed to replacing Watson with dorm of the same size?


So anyone have better ideas to use the money earmarked for an elevator?
leopard88

ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
BPard wrote:
The plan is to raze Watson Courts. That's been the plan unless something changed recently.


They should, ffor several reasons. First, they are not safe, they look terrible inside, but that land could be used differently to increase the student housing density.



Good idea: is there enough room over there to construct a larger building as opposed to replacing Watson with dorm of the same size?


Do you mean a bigger residential building?
BPard

Presumably, the South Lawn Residence Halls will house more students than Watson Courts. South Lawn construction is supposed to enable demolition of the Courts.

https://facilitiesplanning.lafayette.edu/campus-master-plan-2009/

Remember that several things have already changed about the plan (like the location of the new life sciences building and the relocation of staff to the heart of Easton).

Absent other changes, Phase Three of the Campus Master Plan addresses replacing Watson Courts with academic buildings and a subterranean parking garage after new residence halls are constructed. The following quote is part of a larger plan, which calls for the creation of additional student housing (i.e., South Lawn Residence Halls) and new academic buildings (Watson Courts Academic Buildings) right next to said garage (Watson Courts Parking Deck).

Quote:
The Watson Courts Parking Deck will be a two level garage tucked into the hillside at the current Watson Courts site. This garage will provide parking for 288 cars close to the center of the campus, and
by integrating the deck with the topography, the plaza created by the roof of the garage will be at the same elevation as the east end of the Quad.
ed65

leopard88 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
BPard wrote:
The plan is to raze Watson Courts. That's been the plan unless something changed recently.


They should, ffor several reasons. First, they are not safe, they look terrible inside, but that land could be used differently to increase the student housing density.



Good idea: is there enough room over there to construct a larger building as opposed to replacing Watson with dorm of the same size?


Do you mean a bigger residential building?
 YES!
leopard88

ed65 wrote:
leopard88 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
BPard wrote:
The plan is to raze Watson Courts. That's been the plan unless something changed recently.


They should, ffor several reasons. First, they are not safe, they look terrible inside, but that land could be used differently to increase the student housing density.



Good idea: is there enough room over there to construct a larger building as opposed to replacing Watson with dorm of the same size?


Do you mean a bigger residential building?
 YES!


BPard's post addresses this question, at least based on the current master plan.

You could probably a bigger residential building just within the current footprint since the Courts are only two stories tall and have a fair amount of open space in between.  My recollection is that there are no more than 24 units, which means a maximum of 96 beds at four per unit.

If a new dorm was built above the planned garage, there would be room to go much bigger. You could probably put two moderately sized buildings on the combined footprint of the Courts and the current parking garage.
BPard

Plans for Going Up On McCartney Street mention the need for new housing due to the planned demolition of Watson Courts.

The proposed zoning change makes sense. We'll see if the city goes for it.

Plans include a new wellness center. Could this be the 24/7 facility that Lafalum has called for?
leopard88

I wouldn't expect the zoning change to get too much pushback.  Buildings 55 feet tall would be pretty similar in height to McKeen and Gates, which are both four stories tall, so there wouldn't be a drastic change in scale along McCartney Street.

Also, the rendering shows the southernmost of the two buildings (orange) wrapping around Campus Pizza.  Save Campus Pizza!
LeopardBall10

leopard88 wrote:
Also, the rendering shows the southernmost of the two buildings (orange) wrapping around Campus Pizza.  Save Campus Pizza!


Right, because without Campus Pizza you will reduce the dance floor square footage on the hill by half!  Razz
leopard88

That just tells you how much times have changed.  Back in my day (1984-88 ), there was no dancing at Campus Pizza.  It was just a service counter and a bunch of booths and tables.  No frills!

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