Pard94
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Mt. Rushmores of Lafayette College Football....All credit to InTheTrenches for this. He posted his Mt. Rushmore of Lafayette Receivers. I think this is a great idea for a much needed lighthearted offseason post. Assuming we agree with his Receivers selection, let's move on to another position. Shall we start with QB's? I think Bauer assumes the Washington position. I think Glavich makes it in (probably as Roosevelt). Who else? Kirchoff? Mauer? Carney, who were some of the greats from your era? Back when you folded up your helmet and put it in your back pocket when the game was over.
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carney2
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Re: Mt. Rushmores of Lafayette College Football.... | Pard94 wrote: | | All credit to InTheTrenches for this. He posted his Mt. Rushmore of Lafayette Receivers. I think this is a great idea for a much needed lighthearted offseason post. Assuming we agree with his Receivers selection, let's move on to another position. Shall we start with QB's? I think Bauer assumes the Washington position. I think Glavich makes it in (probably as Roosevelt). Who else? Kirchoff? Mauer? Carney, who were some of the greats from your era? Back when you folded up your helmet and put it in your back pocket when the game was over. |
Wiseass!
Anyway, a great off season concept. I am not, however, thrilled with InTheTrenches' list of receivers. Too many from the last decade or so. What?!! Nobody played this game before you were on the scene? Just because you never saw them doesn't mean they couldn't play. And, remember, the game has changed. Comparing catches and yards from one decade to the next is not necessarily a foolproof method of evaluating performance. Let's just say that, in my opinion, we need to revisit receivers if we are going to do this right.
Starting at the top however, the first Mt. Rushmore should logically be for QBs. Here's a rundown on some QBs who played before you were born:
GEORGE HOSSENLOPP (1962-1964): Entered the program as "the savior;" the guy who would lead the Leopards to glory in the year of the 100th game against the hated ChickenSquawks (1964). His supporting cast was, unfortunately, downright dismal and we never got a read on how good he could be. Tied for 10th in career completions - and, remember, freshmen were ineligible back in the middle ages so he didn't even get any garbage time as a freshman.
ED BAKER (1967-1969): One of our forgotten heroes who was good enough in his 3 years to end up 8th in career completions and get a shot with the New York Giants.
MARK JONES (1973-1976): Another guy who put up some decent numbers, but does not get his due. I recall him giving fits to Army up at Michie once or twice.
A Mt. Rushmore can however, have only 4 faces. Mine would be:
FRANK BAUR If he's not on that mountain, there's no point in doing this.
TOM KIRCHOFF Much better than I think people at this site give him credit for.
MARKO GLAVIC: Not as good as his stats would indicate, but oh, those stats are really unbelievable.
BRAD MAURER: Steady; just did not make bad decisions with the ball in his hands.
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The Maroon
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I realize there was Lafayette football before me....
It just stunk for the most part 
Maurer displaces Bauer. Senior season Baur played poor enough to blow at least 3 games.
Glavic....Find me somebody from another era and put him here. I'll entertain any names. He was a mess against Lehigh and he didn't get better after the most promising freshman season I ever saw. Yeah I remember the day he torched Columbia...I also remember he got about 3 "immaculate receptions" that amounted to about 200 yards.
Kirchoff had great poise and I agree with Carney--never got the full credit he deserved.
Maurer, Baur, Kirchoff and whoever quarterbacked the 1926 national championship team.
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Pard94
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| The Maroon wrote: | I realize there was Lafayette football before me....
It just stunk for the most part
Maurer displaces Bauer. Senior season Baur played poor enough to blow at least 3 games.
Glavic....Find me somebody from another era and put him here. I'll entertain any names. He was a mess against Lehigh and he didn't get better after the most promising freshman season I ever saw. Yeah I remember the day he torched Columbia...I also remember he got about 3 "immaculate receptions" that amounted to about 200 yards.
Kirchoff had great poise and I agree with Carney--never got the full credit he deserved.
Maurer, Baur, Kirchoff and whoever quarterbacked the 1926 national championship team. |
With all do respect...Buaer is displaced by no one! He had a rather serious shoulder injury his senior year. If not for that injury chances are good he plays on Sundays. His Sports illustrated cover makes up for his senior season.
Good to see my QB, Kirchoff getting some love. He was smart, steady and consistent. he also had Marsh and/or Costello to hand off to which would help any QB. That's another mountain though.
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The Maroon
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| Pard94 wrote: | | The Maroon wrote: | I realize there was Lafayette football before me....
It just stunk for the most part
Maurer displaces Bauer. Senior season Baur played poor enough to blow at least 3 games.
Glavic....Find me somebody from another era and put him here. I'll entertain any names. He was a mess against Lehigh and he didn't get better after the most promising freshman season I ever saw. Yeah I remember the day he torched Columbia...I also remember he got about 3 "immaculate receptions" that amounted to about 200 yards.
Kirchoff had great poise and I agree with Carney--never got the full credit he deserved.
Maurer, Baur, Kirchoff and whoever quarterbacked the 1926 national championship team. |
With all do respect...Buaer is displaced by no one! He had a rather serious shoulder injury his senior year. If not for that injury chances are good he plays on Sundays. His Sports illustrated cover makes up for his senior season.
Good to see my QB, Kirchoff getting some love. He was smart, steady and consistent. he also had Marsh and/or Costello to hand off to which would help any QB. That's another mountain though. |
Devil's Advocate
He won 1 title, trashed the school in the Sports Illustrated article, had a couple of all-timers in Phil Ng and Maurice Caldwell to throw too, Costello had an amazing year and he had the mobility of a rock...EVERYTHING revolved around 1988. Kirchoff got just as close to playing on Sunday as he did.
Maurer in a rout.
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DaveR
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Nobody has mentioned the QB from my era, Frank Novak, who led the team from the Dark Ages of Neil Putnam to a 9-2 record in 1981 (22-10 from '81 to '83). He's the fourth leading passer in terms of yardage, behind Glavic, Bauer and Kirchoff.
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TheTruth
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DaveR: counldn't remember Novak's name. He should definitley be on the list.
maroon: Very good reason Baur trashed the school. Kissiah basically suspended he and Dwayne Norris for a year for something they didn't do. He had an elbow injury. It started his junior year about game 9 or 10. If he didn't have such a strong running game, he would have thrown for lots more yards. ONly 1 title? Defeated Holy Cross who was number 1 in the country and No. 1 each of the previous two years. Did I mention HC had a full team of scholarship players?
mauer was good and deserve to be on the list but Baur is the better QB.
How about Frank Downing?
I guess why these topics can be so much fun.
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Pard94
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| DaveR wrote: | | Nobody has mentioned the QB from my era, Frank Novak, who led the team from the Dark Ages of Neil Putnam to a 9-2 record in 1981 (22-10 from '81 to '83). He's the fourth leading passer in terms of yardage, behind Glavic, Bauer and Kirchoff. |
Ooohh...I forgot about Novak. My QB Rushmore looks like this...
Bauer, Kirchoff, Novak and Glavic. Pretty good one I would say. Still up for debate though. Tomorrow I will name a new position. Maybe a position on the other side of the ball.
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IntheTrenches
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May catch heat for being a whipper snapper with this one but since I'm a lineman I'll do RB Mt. Rushmore:
Eric Marsh
Joe McCourt
Jon Hurt- got to see him go from fumble machine to touchdown machine.
Costello-
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Franks Tanks
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Baur, Glavic, Novak, and Mauer.
My scope is limited but they have been the best of the last 30 years or so.
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carney2
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| IntheTrenches wrote: | May catch heat for being a whipper snapper with this one but since I'm a lineman I'll do RB Mt. Rushmore:
Eric Marsh
Joe McCourt
Jon Hurt- got to see him go from fumble machine to touchdown machine.
Costello- |
Not now. This is another topic for another day.
Besides, and once again, you locked into your version of the "modern era," and missed quite a few great runners. Don't want to do this topic now, but I' throw out as a for instance or two, Don Nikles, who was even before my time, and some of those All-Americans from the 1st half of the 20th century before there was a I-AA - and before there was any of us.
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carney2
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I don't know how we resolve this, but so far we seem to have
Definite - Grab the chisel and start creating:
Baur
Maurer
Maybe - Don't start any blasting just yet:
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
There have to be some more, but when you look at the top 4 in yardage, completions, TDs and almost anything else, it comes down to (alphabetically):
Baur
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
The question then becomes which one to eliminate if you want Maurer.
As for the QB of the 1926 team, wouldn't he have been a single wing blocking back or some such?
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Pard94
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OK...I don't think anyone would be up in arms if we settled on...
Bauer
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
Break out the chisels and blasting caps. On to the next...
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Franks Tanks
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| carney2 wrote: | I don't know how we resolve this, but so far we seem to have
Definite - Grab the chisel and start creating:
Baur
Maurer
Maybe - Don't start any blasting just yet:
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
There have to be some more, but when you look at the top 4 in yardage, completions, TDs and almost anything else, it comes down to (alphabetically):
Baur
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
The question then becomes which one to eliminate if you want Maurer.
As for the QB of the 1926 team, wouldn't he have been a single wing blocking back or some such? |
Jack Ernst played QB for the 1925 NFL Champion Pottsville Maroons. His favorite taget was all pro reciever Charlie Berry, and they were both 1925 Lafayette grads I believe.
Carney your memory must be failing, surely you remember these fine chaps!
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Pard94
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| Franks Tanks wrote: | | carney2 wrote: | I don't know how we resolve this, but so far we seem to have
Definite - Grab the chisel and start creating:
Baur
Maurer
Maybe - Don't start any blasting just yet:
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
There have to be some more, but when you look at the top 4 in yardage, completions, TDs and almost anything else, it comes down to (alphabetically):
Baur
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
The question then becomes which one to eliminate if you want Maurer.
As for the QB of the 1926 team, wouldn't he have been a single wing blocking back or some such? |
Jack Ernst played QB for the 1925 NFL Champion Pottsville Maroons. His favorite taget was all pro reciever Charlie Berry, and they were both 1925 Lafayette grads I believe.
Carney your memory must be failing, surely you remember these fine chaps! |
You know what...I think we need to tip our hats respectfully to those who predate Carney but I don't think we can really count them. The game was SO different. And none of us...including our faithful Crumdgeon has seen them play.
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Franks Tanks
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| Pard94 wrote: | | Franks Tanks wrote: | | carney2 wrote: | I don't know how we resolve this, but so far we seem to have
Definite - Grab the chisel and start creating:
Baur
Maurer
Maybe - Don't start any blasting just yet:
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
There have to be some more, but when you look at the top 4 in yardage, completions, TDs and almost anything else, it comes down to (alphabetically):
Baur
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
The question then becomes which one to eliminate if you want Maurer.
As for the QB of the 1926 team, wouldn't he have been a single wing blocking back or some such? |
Jack Ernst played QB for the 1925 NFL Champion Pottsville Maroons. His favorite taget was all pro reciever Charlie Berry, and they were both 1925 Lafayette grads I believe.
Carney your memory must be failing, surely you remember these fine chaps! |
You know what...I think we need to tip our hats respectfully to those who predate Carney but I don't think we can really count them. The game was SO different. And none of us...including our faithful Crumdgeon has seen them play. |
I agree-- the modern era is more appropiate
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carney2
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| Franks Tanks wrote: | | I agree-- the modern era is more appropiate |
Define "modern era."
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Franks Tanks
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| carney2 wrote: | | Franks Tanks wrote: | | I agree-- the modern era is more appropiate |
Define "modern era." |
I dont think I can-- but usually I would consider it the days when players started wearing plastic shell helmets with facemasks. That turned the game more away from the Rugby roots. Perhaps late 50's to Early 60's on up?
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The Maroon
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| Pard94 wrote: | OK...I don't think anyone would be up in arms if we settled on...
Bauer
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
Break out the chisels and blasting caps. On to the next... |
I'm up in arms.
Glavic over Maurer?
Is winning a criteria at all?
Glavic beat Princeton and Columbia and....well that's about it.
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Pard94
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| The Maroon wrote: | | Pard94 wrote: | OK...I don't think anyone would be up in arms if we settled on...
Bauer
Glavic
Kirchoff
Novak
Break out the chisels and blasting caps. On to the next... |
I'm up in arms.
Glavic over Maurer?
Is winning a criteria at all?
Glavic beat Princeton and Columbia and....well that's about it. |
Don't worry Maroon...no mountains are actually going to be touched in this little exercise. Your objection is duely noted though.
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The Maroon
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I was going through the record book today....It's hard not to look at Glavic's stats and not do a jaw-drop. No doubt in the world who had the stronger arm, who could put up the bigger numbers---but Maurer is the dude I would always want with the game on the line.
Obviously Glavic was a hell of a QB...I'm just a big Maurer fan...
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TheTruth
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I like Maurer as well but like you said it is hard to ignore marko's stats. Also you have to look at the state of the program at the time. Glavic came in when we wer at the bottom. Our defense was not the best and he did not have the skill players that other QBs enjoyed.
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I think I saw only one mention of Ed Baker. Well, honestly, I think he deserves a much better fate. 'Pards football in the Harry Gamble era was not as pass-happy as at other times. If it had been, Baker's numbers would have been a lot more impressive. I'd have to make room for him, maybe in place of Maurer, who for part of his career had his hands full beating out a teammate for the starting role. Remember, Baker DID get that NFL exposure, albeit minimal.
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seenalot
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Another with NFL time (also short and not at QB) was Rob Stewart, maybe the best athlete we've had at the position. But for me:
Bauer - the list clearly starts here
Kirchoff - better than often remembered
Mauer - just a winner
Jones - too bad he played for Putnam
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