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Lafalum

Now that the fall is over what is the grade??

Some of us care only about football and some of us could care less about the shape or size of the ball and follow anything Maroon, but how would you judge the fall taking into account all sports.

If I am correct there was not one team that had a winning record. Yes football beat Lehigh, won the league and went to the playoffs but it was still a losing season. There is room for hope as we were better at the end ( forget about the NH game,)

Field Hockey went to PL playoffs and nearly knocked off American in  overtime but they had the worst record in five years.

Men's soccer did not even make the playoffs
Women's soccer did not make the playoffs
volleyball did not make the playoffs
Cross Country did nothing
Swimming just competed

If it wasn't for football winning the Lehigh game and everything that came with it, this fall was not good. So a C--- or D+

One thing is becoming clear to me our coaches have to get over the strategy that all that counts is the PL games. Going forward the PL is going to be more completive in all sports and in order to win the PL you are going to have be in the top 15 to be successful.  

We have to up our game and soon or even with scholarships we will be in for ugly seasons and poor experiences for our student athletes.

So what's your rating for the fall??
flyfisher

Not sure I understand the athletic culture at Lafayette. Not having one single team in fall sports with a winning record is unacceptable. Not just talking football but all sports. Suggests a culture issue. I realize I am new but after doing some simple research it appears this performance is tolerated and accepted. Lafayette has a lot to sell. Great education, strong academics, attractive campus, convenient campus, nice facilities for the most part, good conference. Not sure why a coach can't sell that. Granted, the other PL schools are also attractive options but to not have a winning team this fall is unusual.
TheRock90

Does the fact that it is all sports indicate that it is more than recruiting and coaching?
Lafalum

TheRock90 wrote:
Does the fact that it is all sports indicate that it is more than recruiting and coaching?


Interesting, with every team having a losing record the majority respond with a C grade for fall sports. Acceptance of the role as loser perpetuates it.
Franks Tanks

TheRock90 wrote:
Does the fact that it is all sports indicate that it is more than recruiting and coaching?


Funding is obviously an issue for certain sports, but no leadership or standard of any kind by the athletic department and up is the root cause.

Some coaches have no chance (Volleyball, Swimming, Softball), and other sports flounder despite proper funding (women's basketball). We have a handful of well funded programs, and a handful of competent coaches.  For the rest it is simply participatory athletics.
Andy

The womens' soccer coach concluded his 8th season on the hill. He has won a total of 7 PL games, 4 came in one season.  I would guess the coach is competent.  Funding certainly has trailed most of the league.  With scholarships there has to be an improvement. LC is too attractive not to have better players.

Mens' soccer with scholarships has missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years.  Won it all the year they made the playoffs.  A fan attending all 9 PL contests this year would've seen Lafayette score 3 goals. We were shutout 7 times. Should a fan expect better with scholarships?

FH is a model program which, in a rebuilding year, came very, very close to making the championship game.

Football won the championship.  With one year of scholarsip recruiting, an academic index, and no redshirting, we are no match for the top CAA teams.  Not sure we ever will be.

LC was 4-0 vs rival in the above.  We won a championship in the sport to which we dedicate the most resources.  FH is fine. My biggest disappointment is actually mens' soccer, playing with scholarships.  C+.

It's not an acceptance of role as loser, rather realistic expectations given the funding.
flyfisher

Andy wrote:
The womens' soccer coach concluded his 8th season on the hill. He has won a total of 7 PL games, 4 came in one season.  I would guess the coach is competent.  Funding certainly has trailed most of the league.  With scholarships there has to be an improvement. LC is too attractive not to have better players.

Mens' soccer with scholarships has missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years.  Won it all the year they made the playoffs.  A fan attending all 9 PL contests this year would've seen Lafayette score 3 goals. We were shutout 7 times. Should a fan expect better with scholarships?

FH is a model program which, in a rebuilding year, came very, very close to making the championship game.

Football won the championship.  With one year of scholarsip recruiting, an academic index, and no redshirting, we are no match for the top CAA teams.  Not sure we ever will be.

LC was 4-0 vs rival in the above.  We won a championship in the sport to which we dedicate the most resources.  FH is fine. My biggest disappointment is actually mens' soccer, playing with scholarships.  C+.

It's not an acceptance of role as loser, rather realistic expectations given the funding.


Andy, I want to beat Lehigh as much as the next guy, as well as Harvard but more on that later. They redefine arrogance. I have quickly learned how important the Lehigh football game is. What it means to everyone is larger than any rivalry I have witnessed. However I think we need to aspire to more than just beating Lehigh. Nothing makes me happier than beating the Tar Heels. There is more out there for Lafayette than just beating Lehigh.
Lafalum

Andy wrote:
The womens' soccer coach concluded his 8th season on the hill. He has won a total of 7 PL games, 4 came in one season.  I would guess the coach is competent.  Funding certainly has trailed most of the league.  With scholarships there has to be an improvement. LC is too attractive not to have better players.

Mens' soccer with scholarships has missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years.  Won it all the year they made the playoffs.  A fan attending all 9 PL contests this year would've seen Lafayette score 3 goals. We were shutout 7 times. Should a fan expect better with scholarships?

FH is a model program which, in a rebuilding year, came very, very close to making the championship game.

Football won the championship.  With one year of scholarsip recruiting, an academic index, and no redshirting, we are no match for the top CAA teams.  Not sure we ever will be.

LC was 4-0 vs rival in the above.  We won a championship in the sport to which we dedicate the most resources.  FH is fine. My biggest disappointment is actually mens' soccer, playing with scholarships.  C+.

It's not an acceptance of role as loser, rather realistic expectations given the funding.

The funding problem is a problem at the margins. As you correctly pointed out men's soccer is a disappointment. Women's soccer should be better now with scholarships. Women's Lacrosse is adequately funded between donations and scholarships now. Fh did get very close this year but still had a losing season. ( they lost the most games in six years) They lost an excellent coach and had one less assistant this year. Why drop funding in a good program?? How much more money does Volleyball, etc really need??

Our facilities are good, we have scholarships in many of our sports now, there is no longer any excuse to have an all losing fall season. We should demand more. It should be made clear winning is an objective, anything less is a club sport.

This persistent conversation ends up talking about money and its shortage. Perhaps we ( and the powers that be) should have a starting point of how can we be successful and choose those sports where we can have a impact? If that means dropping one or two of our 23 sports, so be it. We have to a certain extent done that, but periodically back away from success from time to time e.g., football from 2006 to 2012, basketball and women's lacrosse after our successful runs at the turn of the decade, and maybe even our most recent successes in field hockey.

We should not accept losing good coaches just over money. Our facilities should be kept up to date. We should schedule good teams and challenge our chosen high profile sports to be competitive. We should encourage support at every level, student and alumni alike and support a culture of success. Being "in the hunt for a championship," every four years is not enough.
ed65

At best, the Fall season was a C.  For me, beating Lehigh is one of the key goals in any season, in any sport.  But that may be a somewhat old-fashioned view.  To recruit good scholar athletes who know next to nothing about the Lehigh rivalry (and may be recruited by the Brown & White), there has to be more.  Winning PL Championships is good for recruiting, I suppose, but winning outside the conference may be the best recruiting tool of all.  So, with scholarships and being committed to D-1, we should act more like a D-1 Program.  Although,  with the potential changes coming to D-1, the road ahead looks murky.  I suspect the Ivies and Army/Navy/Airforce, among others, may be in the same boat.

I totally agree that we should not lose successful coaches over money.

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