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Pards Rule

Now to Focus on Fordham

We have to turn from the extreme disappointment Saturday to this weeks contest vs Fordham, which lost an OT game at Monmouth on Saturday. Am I old if I recall the days when one could look at Fordham on the schedule and SHARPIE in a "W"??
Lafalum

Re: Now to Focus on Fordham

Pards Rule wrote:
We have to turn from the extreme disappointment Saturday to this weeks contest vs Fordham, which lost an OT game at Monmouth on Saturday. Am I old if I recall the days when one could look at Fordham on the schedule and SHARPIE in a "W"??

yes!
ed65

Yes indeed.
artanis

BillS

artanis wrote:
Rolling Eyes
LeopardBall10

Not to seem like I'm grasping at straws here, but this is not the Fordham team of of 2013-2015. This team has a ton of injuries, is down a few DL, does not have the dominating QB, TE, WRs or years past.Can we stop a premier RB? I guess we'll find out.

There is not an elite team in this league this year. We should at least be competitive.
bethlehempard

Sportbet.com:
Lafayette +19.5
CCSU gets the same vs Penn
Colgate gives 3 at Lehigh
Georgetown gets 8.5 at home vs Princeton
Bucknell +6.5 at Holy Cross

ESPN's matchup predictor gives Lafayette a 1.6 percent chance of beating Army.

Yes, they're saying we have a chance.
bison137

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Not to seem like I'm grasping at straws here, but this is not the Fordham team of of 2013-2015. This team has a ton of injuries, is down a few DL, does not have the dominating QB, TE, WRs or years past.Can we stop a premier RB? I guess we'll find out.



Agree on much of this - but they do have a dominating QB.  Anderson last year completed 229 of 342 passes for 3,183 yards and 32 touchdowns.   Was one of the top FCS QBs in virtually every category.   His 2016 season hasn't started as well, but he is still a very good QB and has 8 TD passes in four games.
LeopardBall10

bison137 wrote:
they do have a dominating QB.  Anderson last year completed 229 of 342 passes for 3,183 yards and 32 touchdowns.   Was one of the top FCS QBs in virtually every category.   His 2016 season hasn't started as well, but he is still a very good QB and has 8 TD passes in four games.


That's fair, I was just suggesting that this team won't put 3 into the NFL next year.

http://fordhamsports.com/news/2015/5/6/FB_0506151812.aspx
bethlehempard

Some concise points by Brad Wilson, particularly his note on fan fatigue:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...lafayette_football_talking_p.html

Could we go two years without a home win?
Yes.
Jpao92

[quote="bethlehempard:56308"]Some concise points by Brad Wilson, particularly his note on fan fatigue:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...lafayette_football_talking_p.html

Could we go two years without a home win?
Yes.[/quote]

I love how Frank thinks putting the kids in uppers will make a huge difference.  Always the same, we got blown out last week but man what a practice we had on Monday!!
PessimisticPard

bethlehempard wrote:
Some concise points by Brad Wilson, particularly his note on fan fatigue:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...lafayette_football_talking_p.html

Could we go two years without a home win?
Yes.


Anybody else bothered by the Cub's gear? The team your coaching is 1-4 and has won 2 out of the last 16 games. Stop with the gimmicks.

Make some moves. New playcaller? You haven't ran the ball effectively without an NFL caliber back in 7 years, and can't protect the QB, new OL coach?

And how does it make sense to go uppers on a Monday? You spent the whole preseason preaching injury prevention. You've had a string of injuries so now were going to put the big boy pants on right before a 3 game road swing.

He is drowning and failing miserably.
Franks Tanks

PessimisticPard wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
Some concise points by Brad Wilson, particularly his note on fan fatigue:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...lafayette_football_talking_p.html

Could we go two years without a home win?
Yes.


Anybody else bothered by the Cub's gear? The team your coaching is 1-4 and has won 2 out of the last 16 games. Stop with the gimmicks.

Make some moves. New playcaller? You haven't ran the ball effectively without an NFL caliber back in 7 years, and can't protect the QB, new OL coach?

And how does it make sense to go uppers on a Monday? You spent the whole preseason preaching injury prevention. You've had a string of injuries so now were going to put the big boy pants on right before a 3 game road swing.

He is drowning and failing miserably.


Agree.  Love to know what Joe thinks of Frank and Lafayette athletics in general.  Maybe he would open up after a few shots and beers.  Another cubs related thing. Bruce liked a tweet from someone on the BOT..not sure who.  Anyway some at the latest BOT meeting had a cubs shirt on that said "we don't suck anymore"...apparently the irony of the fact that Lafayette athletics continue to suck, and they don't seem to care, was lost on the group.

Also don't get uppers on Monday.  Starters are still very sore on Monday, and don't see how that is productive.
bethlehempard

Frank could crank up "Too Legit to Quit" at practice again. Or was that Coach Russo?  
I was watching the recording while half-awake early Sunday morning. I think on a third-and-22 we ran a QB draw? There was no way to get a 1st down true but why subject Blake to any risk? Maybe it wasn't designed that way.
Lewisburg here we come!

Does anybody know how Cross/Fordham at Yankee Stadium is selling?

Lafayette fans are being kicked in the groin by the program they root for. For which they root. Whatever.
They're getting tired of it.

Too Legit to Quit (if you can stand it): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yJby5kdUlPs
edge29

bethlehempard wrote:
Some concise points by Brad Wilson, particularly his note on fan fatigue:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...lafayette_football_talking_p.html

Could we go two years without a home win?
Yes.


ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

How about writer fatigue??  COME ON Brad and Paul!! ask the hard questions!!!!  This is like CNN interviewing Clinton.
They, and all of us know it's not our players. This team is very talented. Arguably one of the more talented we've had in years. It's not the injuries...nope...can't use that as an excuse this year.
So why is the program in the toilet??  Because they don't know how to finish games?? B**L S**T!!!  Most of these players come from successful programs so don't feed that crap to me.  

I digress...but it's important. I was talking to a colleague who is a 'Nova alum and he brought up the game. He watched the game and was blown away by our facilities and the broadcast. You know what his next question was??  how does this hidden gem (his words, not mine) of a program not succeed?!?!  My head was spinning with all the excuses that have been fed to us over the years.  Before I could answer he mentioned how Nova's facilities pale in comparison to ours. Evidently their ball arena is no gem either. And then he said something very simple..."WE (alumni) would never allow it".  They would never allow year after year of losing seasons and same tiresome excuses.

It's because we allow this crap to happen to our gem of a school.  

So come on Paul and Brad...ask the hard questions. Stop going through the motions and help us get to the bottom of this.
NewXbo

What are the hard questions???????????
LeopardBall10

NewXbo wrote:
What are the hard questions???????????


I agree, enough of the softball questions. I know Paul reads this board every now and then, and he may think that it's not his job at this point to make the head coach mad. But here are the questions I would love to see him asked on the record:

1. Frank, how do you explain the consistent poor offensive line play over the last 5 years?
2. Frank, who is responsible for the poor rushing performances this season? What are you doing to correct this and should we expect it to continue?
3. Frank, the team looked flat against the first league opponent, Holy Cross, on homecoming weekend. What do you say to your critics who called this another “Tavani No-Show” game?
4. Frank, how do you defend your last contract extension when you hold a career losing record as a head coach and have had 6 consecutive losing seasons, including the worst season in Lafayette football history?
a. As a follow up, do you think you deserve another extension following this  season? And would you want another extension?
5. What have you and your staff done to reverse the course of this program?
6. If you fail to reach a winning record for the 7th straight year what action do you think would be required by you, your staff, and the administration?

This is just what I came up with off the top of my head. Gosh, you'd never make it to question 4. But if you could you might just see the Old Tavani explode through the facade we now see.
Franks Tanks

NewXbo wrote:
What are the hard questions???????????


Perhaps when will you step aside so the program can move forward?

Never happen though as Frank throws a fit when he is criticized.  Remember when Mike Joseph apologized on air for being critical of Frank?  Mike actually said that Frank dressed him down.  So Frank doesn't read the papers, but he does watch the LSN replay to see if anyone hurt his feelings.
LeopardBall10

edge29 wrote:
"WE (alumni) would never allow it".  They would never allow year after year of losing seasons and same tiresome excuses.

It's because we allow this crap to happen to our gem of a school.


Ok... so... now what? This goes back to the discussion ed65, myself, and others had at the end of last season. Because I tend to agree with your friend. We are allowing this to happen.

So, now what? How do we as alumni hold the school, admin, athletic department, and coaches accountable? How do we affect change? I am tempted to go back through that old thread and start posting quotes, but I will leave that be for now. I am just not content to have the same discussion again and again. I think that the President should do her job and keep the college successful. I think Bruce should do his job and keep the athletic department successful. and I think Frank should do his job and keep the program successful. But when that doesn't happen we have to have recourse. I am seriously asking those who know better than I. What is it?
LeopardBall10

The new team records dashboard is starting to look awfully similar to last years (Congrats Field Hockey, we may just yet see a winning season from a Lafayette Team). It is obvious that nothing is changing.

---------------
Edited

Sorry all, not the time. On to Fordham.
Andy

edge29 wrote:


I digress...but it's important. I was talking to a colleague who is a 'Nova alum and he brought up the game. He watched the game and was blown away by our facilities and the broadcast. You know what his next question was??  how does this hidden gem (his words, not mine) of a program not succeed?!?!  My head was spinning with all the excuses that have been fed to us over the years.  Before I could answer he mentioned how Nova's facilities pale in comparison to ours. Evidently their ball arena is no gem either. And then he said something very simple..."WE (alumni) would never allow it".  They would never allow year after year of losing seasons and same tiresome excuses.

It's because we allow this crap to happen to our gem of a school.  

So come on Paul and Brad...ask the hard questions. Stop going through the motions and help us get to the bottom of this.


Great post.   Holy Cross responded to their alumni with the appointment of a new AD. His department's new mission statement and the press release regarding it includes the words "goal of bringing championships home," "committed to improving the success of our teams," "we strive for individual and team success," "core values...achievement," "we promote a positive energy that is contagious," "we keep score and track outcomes." (Imagine that!)

http://www.goholycross.com/ViewAr...OEM_ID=33100&ATCLID=211205589

http://www.goholycross.com/ViewAr...OEM_ID=33100&ATCLID=211196412

Lafayette's rather seems another platform for our leadership to promote their social agenda. The words most used - "gender" "gender equity" "gender equality." I challenge all to find the words "success," "achievement," "passion" or God forbid "winning" or "championship."

http://www.goleopards.com/school-bio/mission-statement.html

Perhaps our athletics leadership is better suited to a place like Sarah Lawrence rather than at LC with Div. 1 athletics program:

http://www.gogryphons.com/sports/2011/10/4/About.aspx?&tab=3
Franks Tanks

Pocono Mt East high school fired their football coach mid-season.  He doesn't appear to have done anything inappropriate, just had a poor record.  He went 2-8 the past two seasons, and 0-6 this year.  Local high schools hold coaches to higher standard than our DI athletic program.
The Maroon

LeopardBall10 wrote:
NewXbo wrote:
What are the hard questions???????????


I agree, enough of the softball questions. I know Paul reads this board every now and then, and he may think that it's not his job at this point to make the head coach mad. But here are the questions I would love to see him asked on the record:

1. Frank, how do you explain the consistent poor offensive line play over the last 5 years?
2. Frank, who is responsible for the poor rushing performances this season? What are you doing to correct this and should we expect it to continue?
3. Frank, the team looked flat against the first league opponent, Holy Cross, on homecoming weekend. What do you say to your critics who called this another “Tavani No-Show” game?
4. Frank, how do you defend your last contract extension when you hold a career losing record as a head coach and have had 6 consecutive losing seasons, including the worst season in Lafayette football history?
a. As a follow up, do you think you deserve another extension following this  season? And would you want another extension?
5. What have you and your staff done to reverse the course of this program?
6. If you fail to reach a winning record for the 7th straight year what action do you think would be required by you, your staff, and the administration?

This is just what I came up with off the top of my head. Gosh, you'd never make it to question 4. But if you could you might just see the Old Tavani explode through the facade we now see.


To this day that extension pissed me off. What I failed to accept at the time was that the extension was never in doubt - it's just that winning the league gave the college an excuse to put out a press release and for Frank to gloat to the press...

With that said, while some of the questions are fair game I don't think he needs to justify a personnel decision he didn't make. Journalism is about relationships - and the LC beat is not one you want to mess with when the alternative is covering Wilson vs. Pen Argyl.

We're stuck with Frank as long as Frank wants to stick around. The Human Quaalude isn't going to fire him - they just won't publically announce the next extension.

THANK GOD we were able to combat that negative recruiting going on due to coach T's age huh? I'll never believe a coach had to stoop to that level to recruit against him.

How would I recruit against Frank? A simple two bar graph with coach T's win percentage with Hefner and without him.
Franks Tanks

50-41 with Bob and 33-60 without... good grief.

This includes 2-8 in Bob's 1st year in which his impact was limited, and 8-3 the year after Bob left, in which Frank had a team full of players coached by Bob.
pardfan

This all gets to the issue of institutional self-respect. I don't think we have it to the extent that it is necessary to compete with the schools in our "neighborhood."  This year's football schedule is so tough precisely because it is full of schools that will not accept the idea of an inferior product "going out the door" without it being the best it could possibly be.

We're not far from that Princeton football game last year when we had 9,100 spectators.  There is interest out there;  but, it's eroding quickly.  Unfortunately, I think the fans are in the process of sending the school a message:  "If you don't care, we don't care."  That can't be a good thing.
The Maroon

Franks Tanks wrote:
50-41 with Bob and 33-60 without... good grief.

This includes 2-8 in Bob's 1st year in which his impact was limited, and 8-3 the year after Bob left, in which Frank had a team full of players coached by Bob.


Wow! Was just about to do the math. Yes - my hypothetical negative recruiting chart would probably include a line graph to show the rise and fall of the program.

The correlation can not be denied. It's one of the few things I have "inside" info on. Senior O-Linemen who trained under Hef were absolute beasts.
zenator

[quote...Wow! Was just about to do the math. Yes - my hypothetical negative recruiting chart would probably include a line graph to show the rise and fall of the program.

The correlation can not be denied. It's one of the few things I have "inside" info on. Senior O-Linemen who trained under Hef were absolute beasts.[/quote]

The past two recruiting classes, especially the 2020 class, have been really strong. My concern is current recruiting...

In terms of O-line at the FCS level, it is really, really difficult to recruit 6'6", 300 LB, O-lineman, who also have quick feet and good lateral movement skills. Those guys usually go FBS. That is why it is a challenge to put together an O-line at LC capable of running the zone blocking scheme.
artanis

Very few coaches get an opportunity to save a program; very few men are blamed for bringing a program down.



Frank's about to become that rare man who experiences a dizzying ascent followed by a sickening thud.

I feel for him.
The Maroon

zenator wrote:
[quote...Wow! Was just about to do the math. Yes - my hypothetical negative recruiting chart would probably include a line graph to show the rise and fall of the program.

The correlation can not be denied. It's one of the few things I have "inside" info on. Senior O-Linemen who trained under Hef were absolute beasts.


The past two recruiting classes, especially the 2020 class, have been really strong. My concern is current recruiting...

In terms of O-line at the FCS level, it is really, really difficult to recruit 6'6", 300 LB, O-lineman, who also have quick feet and good lateral movement skills. Those guys usually go FBS. That is why it is a challenge to put together an O-line at LC capable of running the zone blocking scheme.[/quote]

Not sold (or unsold) on the class of 2020. Every class is always the best ever.

All the experience gained last year was supposed to pave the way for more success this year. If you look at the post Lehigh comments last November it was generally agreed that we were "set" at OL.

I understand that the stud OL prospects go FBS - but we aren't asking our linemen to block SEC defensive tackles. I will stand by my assertion that the development of our linemen was much better a few years ago.

I'll be honest - I had us going 4-7 and at this point being exactly where we are (that was assuming a healthy Pujols would roll into Easton last Saturday).  The key is that these young men don't give up on themselves and keep fighting. 3-8 or 4-7 is something to build on. 2-9...Not so much.
bethlehempard

Massey FCS ratings:
1-NDSU
15-Villanova*
21-Harvard
31-Lehigh*
32-Fordham*
50-Princeton*
52-Colgate*
53-Delaware*
68-Holy Cross*
72-Georgetown*
87-Bucknell*
91-Yale
95-Lafayette
96-Columbia
102-CCSU*
125th and last-Mississippi Valley State

*2016 opponent.
Army is 88th in the FBS.

Alright. We have gotten through the "easy" part of the schedule, which included No. 102 and 68.
Fordham, Army, Colgate and Lehigh are coming up.
I don't see where two more wins are coming from; certainly not three more.
We are last in the Patriot League and in MEAC/SWAC/PFL territory.
The Maroon

bethlehempard wrote:
Massey FCS ratings:
1-NDSU
15-Villanova*
21-Harvard
31-Lehigh*
32-Fordham*
50-Princeton*
52-Colgate*
53-Delaware*
68-Holy Cross*
72-Georgetown*
87-Bucknell*
91-Yale
95-Lafayette
96-Columbia
102-CCSU*
125th and last-Mississippi Valley State

*2016 opponent.
Army is 88th in the FBS.

Alright. We have gotten through the "easy" part of the schedule, which included No. 102 and 68.
Fordham, Army, Colgate and Lehigh are coming up.
I don't see where two more wins are coming from; certainly not three more.
We are last in the Patriot League and in MEAC/SWAC/PFL territory.


My 4-7 prediction - which I admit looks quite naive right now - had us taking BU, GU and Lehigh. I'm not interested in defending those picks tonight - so 137 and Sinatra don't need to get started - but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility even given that all three teams appear better than I anticipated.
bethlehempard

CCSU's win came over D2 Bowie State.
If we can beat Bucknell and Georgetown and steal another somewhere,
4-7 ... which right now would look like a miracle season.
Maybe some other team will be injury-plagued.

GAWD this is horrible.
NewXbo

Only one team, field hockey, has a winning record according to The Maroon's chart. Obviously, Frank is not at fault for all the other sports with losing records. While he may be part of the problem, there are others who should be held responsible for the overall failure of so many teams.
flyfisher

Andy wrote:
edge29 wrote:


I digress...but it's important. I was talking to a colleague who is a 'Nova alum and he brought up the game. He watched the game and was blown away by our facilities and the broadcast. You know what his next question was??  how does this hidden gem (his words, not mine) of a program not succeed?!?!  My head was spinning with all the excuses that have been fed to us over the years.  Before I could answer he mentioned how Nova's facilities pale in comparison to ours. Evidently their ball arena is no gem either. And then he said something very simple..."WE (alumni) would never allow it".  They would never allow year after year of losing seasons and same tiresome excuses.

It's because we allow this crap to happen to our gem of a school.  

So come on Paul and Brad...ask the hard questions. Stop going through the motions and help us get to the bottom of this.


Great post.   Holy Cross responded to their alumni with the appointment of a new AD. His department's new mission statement and the press release regarding it includes the words "goal of bringing championships home," "committed to improving the success of our teams," "we strive for individual and team success," "core values...achievement," "we promote a positive energy that is contagious," "we keep score and track outcomes." (Imagine that!)

http://www.goholycross.com/ViewAr...OEM_ID=33100&ATCLID=211205589

http://www.goholycross.com/ViewAr...OEM_ID=33100&ATCLID=211196412

Lafayette's rather seems another platform for our leadership to promote their social agenda. The words most used - "gender" "gender equity" "gender equality." I challenge all to find the words "success," "achievement," "passion" or God forbid "winning" or "championship."

http://www.goleopards.com/school-bio/mission-statement.html

Perhaps our athletics leadership is better suited to a place like Sarah Lawrence rather than at LC with Div. 1 athletics program:

http://www.gogryphons.com/sports/2011/10/4/About.aspx?&tab=3


A lot more truth in this than you know. Our AD sending out LBGT tweets all the time. I wonder why? Promoting that social agenda.

I would love to be more positive but I don't think we have a chance the next two games. And 10 is right, this is an average Fordham team.

Can't say I am surprised. I predicted 2-9 or 3-8. Still think we can win one more.
BPard

Quote:
Our AD sending out LBGT tweets all the time. I wonder why? Promoting that social agenda.
Because his boss is the College's Senior Diversity Officer.

I'm not on Twitter but I did look through all his tweets for the month of September (waiting rooms are spook much fun), and I didn't see a single LGBT tweet. So all the time may be a bit much....
NE Leopard

bethlehempard wrote:
Massey FCS ratings:
1-NDSU
15-Villanova*
21-Harvard
31-Lehigh*
32-Fordham*
50-Princeton*
52-Colgate*
53-Delaware*
68-Holy Cross*
72-Georgetown*
87-Bucknell*
91-Yale
95-Lafayette
96-Columbia
102-CCSU*
125th and last-Mississippi Valley State

*2016 opponent.
Army is 88th in the FBS.

Alright. We have gotten through the "easy" part of the schedule, which included No. 102 and 68.
Fordham, Army, Colgate and Lehigh are coming up.
I don't see where two more wins are coming from; certainly not three more.
We are last in the Patriot League and in MEAC/SWAC/PFL territory.


So we play the 15th ranked Villanova tough and have shot to win. We are what our ranking says we are today. When we start finishing games and don't have late game breakdowns (fumbles, red zone interceptions, poor special teams play, etc.), we'll start winning...nuff said.
ed65

NewXbo wrote:
Only one team, field hockey, has a winning record according to The Maroon's chart. Obviously, Frank is not at fault for all the other sports with losing records. While he may be part of the problem, there are others who should be held responsible for the overall failure of so many teams.


Men's soccer has a winning record after last night's victory in bison137 land.
SixtyEighter

Being only 1  ahead of Columbia in the above cited ranking says all that needs to be said about the caliber of our program.
edge29

LeopardBall10 wrote:
edge29 wrote:
"WE (alumni) would never allow it".  They would never allow year after year of losing seasons and same tiresome excuses.

It's because we allow this crap to happen to our gem of a school.


Ok... so... now what? This goes back to the discussion ed65, myself, and others had at the end of last season. Because I tend to agree with your friend. We are allowing this to happen.

So, now what? How do we as alumni hold the school, admin, athletic department, and coaches accountable? How do we affect change? I am tempted to go back through that old thread and start posting quotes, but I will leave that be for now. I am just not content to have the same discussion again and again. I think that the President should do her job and keep the college successful. I think Bruce should do his job and keep the athletic department successful. and I think Frank should do his job and keep the program successful. But when that doesn't happen we have to have recourse. I am seriously asking those who know better than I. What is it?


I wish I knew.  My guess is some of us who write the big checks and have the influence need to take the lead.  That's definitely not me.  Myself and most of my old teammates have little to no contact with the Maroon club or the school in general.  And that's a shame.

I will do my part though.  The next time a ex teammate email or calls me to ask for more $$, i will politely ask him tell me how all of this money  raised will improve our W/L ratio.  The Maroon Club box truck looks great in the end zone.  But do we need it?  Or would that money be better spent on attracting quality assistant coaches?  

I think most would agree that we'd rather a history of winning than 47 different uniform combinations. :/
ed65

Andy wrote:
edge29 wrote:


I digress...but it's important. I was talking to a colleague who is a 'Nova alum and he brought up the game. He watched the game and was blown away by our facilities and the broadcast. You know what his next question was??  how does this hidden gem (his words, not mine) of a program not succeed?!?!  My head was spinning with all the excuses that have been fed to us over the years.  Before I could answer he mentioned how Nova's facilities pale in comparison to ours. Evidently their ball arena is no gem either. And then he said something very simple..."WE (alumni) would never allow it".  They would never allow year after year of losing seasons and same tiresome excuses.

It's because we allow this crap to happen to our gem of a school.  

So come on Paul and Brad...ask the hard questions. Stop going through the motions and help us get to the bottom of this.


Great post.   Holy Cross responded to their alumni with the appointment of a new AD. His department's new mission statement and the press release regarding it includes the words "goal of bringing championships home," "committed to improving the success of our teams," "we strive for individual and team success," "core values...achievement," "we promote a positive energy that is contagious," "we keep score and track outcomes." (Imagine that!)

http://www.goholycross.com/ViewAr...OEM_ID=33100&ATCLID=211205589

http://www.goholycross.com/ViewAr...OEM_ID=33100&ATCLID=211196412

Lafayette's rather seems another platform for our leadership to promote their social agenda. The words most used - "gender" "gender equity" "gender equality." I challenge all to find the words "success," "achievement," "passion" or God forbid "winning" or "championship."

http://www.goleopards.com/school-bio/mission-statement.html

Perhaps our athletics leadership is better suited to a place like Sarah Lawrence rather than at LC with Div. 1 athletics program:

http://www.gogryphons.com/sports/2011/10/4/About.aspx?&tab=3


Andy: the Sara Lawrence comment is particularly appropriate.  I actually laughed when I read it.  But is an apt analogy given the state of the LC Athletic Program.  I despair in understanding how it can be tolerated by an institution that prides itself in excellence and aspires to be an even greater "gem" of a college than it already is.  On the positive side, the increase in the enrollment should have a positive effect on athletics.  There is no question that the size of the school is a real detriment to winning on the athletic fields.  The introduction of athletic scholarships is a real positive although it hasn't shown up yet in the winning side of the won/loss record.  I think the coaches are learning out to deal with it bec. it definitely is a different type of recruiting than recruiting without scholies.  Now comes the rub: there is no bigger obstacle to the success of the program than the current AD (who I like personally, he has always treated me well).  But like Holy Cross it is time for a change and the change absolutely cannot be to promote McKittrick into the job.  Nothing against Katy, but she is too tied to the ancient regime. Most important,  the new AD needs to report to the President.  Our current President, Alison Byerly is a breath of fresh air compared with her predessors but she lucked out with the success of the football win at Yankee Standium and the PL Hoops Championship.  Now it is what have you done for me lately?!!!  The number one job goal of the AD should be to have teams with winning records and to win Championships in the PL.  I would also add that beating Lehigh in the annual series of games played against our rival should be in there as well.  While dealing with budgets and scheduling should be part of any AD's job, it should rank way below creating a winning athletic program.  We have the facilities, we have the money, we just don't have the gumption to do the right thing.
admin

LeopardBall10 wrote:
The new team records dashboard is starting to look awfully similar to last years (Congrats Field Hockey, we may just yet see a winning season from a Lafayette Team). It is obvious that nothing is changing.

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Sorry all, not the time. On to Fordham.


Actually  the chart (updated yesterday) - it's getting a little bit better. Men's soccer has come on very well the past few games which has helped matters. I expect several of our teams to do better this year (both basketball teams for starters) so I doubt we'll reach the level of futility we did last year - which was the WORST EVER!

Which leads us back to football...If we manage to go 3-8 this year, which let's face it is damn close to the ceiling, then we will have a mind-blowing 22% winning percentage over the past two years in football.  that's with NO EXCUSES! No study. No lack of scholarships. Nothing.

it was mentioned on this thread that the sportswriters should start asking Frank the tough questions. I don't think asking the man about his employment makes much sense. It WOULD make sense to ask his boss...right?

Probably not.
SIDELINER

You WERE kind of set on the o-line until Tanner Kern, a returning starter who showed really good potential last year, came down with a medical problem that put him out of school this semester. He is expected to return to school in Jan uary.

You WERE kind of set in the secondary until Kaizer Butler came down with a mysterious illness that very nearly took his life. He is improving and, I think,  is expected to return to school in January.

You WERE kind of set on the d-line until Matt Rothrock was injured in preseason camp and hasn't played a down.

Put those three into the lineup and you have a pretty different look. Sure, it's been next man in, but it's not the same lineup the coaching staff envisioned. The kids have fought, but the odds are stacked against them in a number of ways. Why don't you have the equivalent of 60 full scholarships as allowed by the league. Why should Friends of Football have to raise money for one scholarship a year -- that's four scholarships over four years, or about a million bucks? Why aren't those scholarships coming from the athletic budget? Can't expect to fight with an unlevel playing field. Facillities might attract interest, but they don't win the games. This team is far better than last year's team, but it'll be another two years, at least, to make it right. That's my opinion only.
WVPard

As a loyal Maroon Club and FoF member and a guy who bleeds Maroon and White (not red and black), the systemic disintegration of athletics on the Hill is disheartening at best.  My oldest son is working hard to try to get recruited at the D-1 level (the jury is out on him).  But, if he has a choice between being a Pard and ________(pick any of our rivals) would he realistically consider following the old man to the Hill for any other reason than it is my school?

Following the school rather closely from afar, I am not sure what we've tried to become.  In my era it was pretty clear - destination party school, competitive athletics, rock solid academics, and a reputation for placing kids in good jobs and good grad schools.

I know that I am stating the obvious,  but the administration touts the academic prowess of our athletes on a daily basis.  Is that simply because we aren't winning, or is it because they are so focused on academia?  There has to be a balance somewhere, but we aren't there.

Seems like the Gate, Bucknell, and the Brownies with the name du jour may be on to something.
Pards Rule

WVPard wrote:
As a loyal Maroon Club and FoF member and a guy who bleeds Maroon and White (not red and black), the systemic disintegration of athletics on the Hill is disheartening at best.  My oldest son is working hard to try to get recruited at the D-1 level (the jury is out on him).  But, if he has a choice between being a Pard and ________(pick any of our rivals) would he realistically consider following the old man to the Hill for any other reason than it is my school?

Following the school rather closely from afar, I am not sure what we've tried to become.  In my era it was pretty clear - destination party school, competitive athletics, rock solid academics, and a reputation for placing kids in good jobs and good grad schools.

I know that I am stating the obvious,  but the administration touts the academic prowess of our athletes on a daily basis.  Is that simply because we aren't winning, or is it because they are so focused on academia?  There has to be a balance somewhere, but we aren't there.

Seems like the Gate, Bucknell, and the Brownies with the name du jour may be on to something.


Dont give up the ship WV! You know Arch Moore was a Pard and Shelly Moore Caputo (his daughter and current US Senator from WV) love the Pards!!
edge29

WVPard wrote:

Following the school rather closely from afar, I am not sure what we've tried to become.  In my era it was pretty clear - destination party school, competitive athletics, rock solid academics, and a reputation for placing kids in good jobs and good grad schools..


👆👆👆Yup 👏👏👏

We partied, studied hard, kicked ass on the field and in the classroom, and have above average jobs!  Well said WV!
WVPard

Pards Rule - I somehow don't find your examples too comforting based on poor Arch's familiarity with our system of incarceration Smile.  Shelley seems to be on more stable footing, so there maybe there is hope!
bethlehempard

A few items from the recent past that are worth revisiting:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...fayette_college_extends_foot.html

And

http://articles.mcall.com/2012-02...e-patriot-league-student-athletes
The Maroon

bethlehempard wrote:
A few items from the recent past that are worth revisiting:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...fayette_college_extends_foot.html

And

http://articles.mcall.com/2012-02...e-patriot-league-student-athletes


We kind of revisit them daily...

We're 12-27 with scholarships (obviously this is our first season with a full scholarship team) and 7-20 since the extension.  

Remember the first couple of years of Tavani's tenure when we were 4-17? We're on a collision course with falling BELOW that benchmark!

My son's soccer coach is under more pressure to win than coach T is.
edge29

[quote="The Maroon:56356"]
bethlehempard wrote:
A few items from the recent past that are worth revisiting:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...fayette_college_extends_foot.html

And

http://articles.mcall.com/2012-02...e-patriot-league-student-athletes


We kind of revisit them daily...

We're 12-27 with scholarships (obviously this is our first season with a full scholarship team) and 7-20 since the extension.  

Remember the first couple of years of Tavani's tenure when we were 4-17? We're on a collision course with falling BELOW that benchmark!

My son's soccer coach is under more pressure to win than coach T is.[/quote

This says it all...

" It's a great quality of life at Lafayette College..."

Code for I can't get fired for underperformance.
SixtyEighter

Another sign of the low esteem in which our football program is held is the local press coverage . The midweek column about Lafayette  football  was on the high school page of the Morning Call while the next day the coverage of Lehigh was on the first sports page.
Pards Rule

WVPard wrote:
Pards Rule - I somehow don't find your examples too comforting based on poor Arch's familiarity with our system of incarceration Smile.  Shelley seems to be on more stable footing, so there maybe there is hope!


Yes WV I didnt necessarily want to bring that up!! Well Joe Manchin is on par with Shelley.  I know WV as I had business in Huntington WV and would fly into PIT and then drive down 79 and over on 64. So I got a lot of feel for your state and working with the Maaco franchisee who leased a facility our CEO, Tony Martino, bought ground for and built in Barboursville, WV just outside Huntington. I also had lunch one day in a popular downtown place (cant recall the name) and they had framed pages from the tragic Marshall Univ crash on Nov. 14, 1970. I knew about it before the movie came out (ironically a couple times we took the Maaco company plane a KingAir 300 into Tristate Airport (HTS) and one time a Warner Bros jet was there as they were filming locally back in mid 2000s) but realized the enormous pain this town still lives with almost 50 years later. That movie came out a decade ago this year and I watched it and recognized so many scenes, especially the Ohio bordering park where the father had the conversation with the fiance. I stayed in the nearby Holiday Inn next to that park and one evening went to have a couple cigars there.
The Maroon

SixtyEighter wrote:
Another sign of the low esteem in which our football program is held is the local press coverage . The midweek column about Lafayette  football  was on the high school page of the Morning Call while the next day the coverage of Lehigh was on the first sports page.


I'm no fan of Coen - it's probably the maroon in my blood more than anything - but when Lehigh loses you can practically feel the disgust and anger that Coen is feeling oozing from the screen you're reading it on. It's like if he lost like we did he'd be in a psych ward. He practically cut himself after he lost to us for the first time in 6 seasons. His teams are always prepared. He doesn't take solace in losing to Villanova because, well, it's Villanova...

Tavani used to be that way - just with a little more class (OK...again the maroon blood)...He lost that edge.
SIDELINER

SixtyEighter wrote:
Another sign of the low esteem in which our football program is held is the local press coverage . The midweek column about Lafayette  football  was on the high school page of the Morning Call while the next day the coverage of Lehigh was on the first sports page.


One team is on a three-game winning streak, the other a four-game losing streak. One team has two quarterbacks who threw for more than 500 yards and many TDs on back-to-back weeks, the other has very little good news to report. If you're the content editor, which team deserves coverage on the lead page of the section? Fairness can only be invoked for so long. Beat Fordham and do some great things and maybe next week will be different. Or, if Groller is the preferred writer, petition the paper to put him on the Lafayette beat and put Reinhard on Lehigh. Would that solve the problem?
Lafalum

SIDELINER wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
Another sign of the low esteem in which our football program is held is the local press coverage . The midweek column about Lafayette  football  was on the high school page of the Morning Call while the next day the coverage of Lehigh was on the first sports page.


One team is on a three-game winning streak, the other a four-game losing streak. One team has two quarterbacks who threw for more than 500 yards and many TDs on back-to-back weeks, the other has very little good news to report. If you're the content editor, which team deserves coverage on the lead page of the section? Fairness can only be invoked for so long. Beat Fordham and do some great things and maybe next week will be different. Or, if Groller is the preferred writer, petition the paper to put him on the Lafayette beat and put Reinhard on Lehigh. Would that solve the problem?


As you infer...the problem isn't the paper...it's us.
The Maroon

SIDELINER wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
Another sign of the low esteem in which our football program is held is the local press coverage . The midweek column about Lafayette  football  was on the high school page of the Morning Call while the next day the coverage of Lehigh was on the first sports page.


One team is on a three-game winning streak, the other a four-game losing streak. One team has two quarterbacks who threw for more than 500 yards and many TDs on back-to-back weeks, the other has very little good news to report. If you're the content editor, which team deserves coverage on the lead page of the section? Fairness can only be invoked for so long. Beat Fordham and do some great things and maybe next week will be different. Or, if Groller is the preferred writer, petition the paper to put him on the Lafayette beat and put Reinhard on Lehigh. Would that solve the problem?


No need to defend - I think both local papers do very well by Lafayette considering local fans are - by and large - much more interested in the high school teams.

No way we belong above the fold on any page unless it's an investigative report detailing the failings of the Bruce administration.
bethlehempard

NCAA FCS statistics, a sample:
Total offense, No. 90 (Lehigh is No. 3)
Total defense, 42
Rushing offense, 119 (down one)
Passing offense, 25
First downs by the offense, 42
Punt-return defense, 83
Third-down conversion defense, 59
Fourth-down conversion defense, 97
Passing yards per completion, 105 (Holy Cross, 106 and Georgetown is second-to-last at 121)

All statistics are out of 122 teams

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/23/p3

Lehigh 7 - Colgate 0 after 104 seconds. A good KO return helped.
Colgate responded with a 75-yard TD run by Melville. 7-7.

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