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carney2

Patriot league Sagarin Ratings As Of 12/12

95 LAFAYETTE
127 American
150 Army
164 Holy Cross
188 Lehigh
190 Colgate
240 Boston University
276 Bucknell
313 Loyola MD
338 Navy

Others you might be interested in:

18 Kansas
19 West Virginia
48 Harvard
51 Georgetown
80 Yale
85 UConn
97 Columbia
98 Michigan
106 Pittsburgh
113 Penn State
139 Temple
140 Wake Forest
142 Sacred Heart
151 LaSalle
186 Rutgers
222 NJIT

League strength = 18 of 35
bison137

Pomeroy:

130 American
135 Lafayette
176 Army
182 Holy Cross
197 Lehigh
202 Colgate
244 Bucknell
251 Boston U
304 Loyola
322 Navy
carney2

137, which - Sagarin vs. Pomeroy - in your opinion is more reliable?
bison137

carney2 wrote:
137, which - Sagarin vs. Pomeroy - in your opinion is more reliable?



I like Pomeroy better, but it's hard to prove which is more reliable.  I've found that the predicted margins of games given out by Pomeroy have been a bit more accurate than those using Sagarin, but that might not prove anything.
Kpard

Army over USC late last night! Wow!
bison137

Kpard wrote:
Army over USC late last night! Wow!



Nice win, but not quite a wow.    By major conference standards, USC has been really bad in recent years.   Right now Pomeroy ranks them behind American, Lafayette, and Army.
bethlehempard

Numbers be damned, when a PL team beats a PAC 12 team, it's a big win.
Their last win over a PAC 12 team: 1964.
bison137

I think those who seem astounded by this win haven't been paying attention, either to Army and/or to USC.   If Army had beat Stony Brook or American (or Lafayette), how many would consider that a big win?  Yet those three teams are among the 154 teams ranked ahead of USC at the moment.   Army didn't beat the PAC12, they beat a fairly weak team who happens to be in that league.   Nice win, but certainly not huge.  And not a huge surprise.

It's not surprising that they haven't beaten a PAC12 since 1964, considering that Army has had only eight good teams since that time (5 of them when Bobby Knight coached there in the late 60's), and those eight teams only played PAC12 teams twice in total.  Nor a lot of opportunity.   Other than those 8 teams and a few others, Army basketball has been really bad for many years.    This year's team will almost certainly be the best team they have had since at least 1984-85.   That was pretty clear before the season even began.

Army's best PL record in the 24 years the league has existed is 8-6.    They will almost certainly do better this year.
carney2

I'm assuming that Army is still playing thugball.  If yes, what can the Pards do to counter?  Army has won the last 4 by an average of 19 points, with only one game being close.  We're just not "physical."
bison137

carney2 wrote:
I'm assuming that Army is still playing thugball.  If yes, what can the Pards do to counter?  



I think that is a very safe assumption.   They play it not only because it suits the style of many of their players but, more importantly, because the refs allow it.   I have been to well over 50 games at Christl over the decades and, other than games with Navy, I think that Army has been favored by the refs in every game.   Probably subconscious and I think many people would do the same thing, but it is certainly frustrating when they are playing your team.  And with the talent on the current team, they don't need the help.  The recruiting class that is now juniors will go down as one of the best PL recruiting classes in history, although they did lose a couple guys from that class.

You may have seen the article in COBL with the quotes from PL assistant coaches.   One of them, accurately, said this about the Army defense:  "Tough, aggressive, full-court, in-your-face  -  foul every possession but no one’s going to call it because they’re the United States."
Kpard

bison137 wrote:
I think those who seem astounded by this win haven't been paying attention, either to Army and/or to USC.   If Army had beat Stony Brook or American (or Lafayette), how many would consider that a big win?  Yet those three teams are among the 154 teams ranked ahead of USC at the moment.   Army didn't beat the PAC12, they beat a fairly weak team who happens to be in that league.   Nice win, but certainly not huge.  And not a huge surprise.

It's not surprising that they haven't beaten a PAC12 since 1964, considering that Army has had only eight good teams since that time (5 of them when Bobby Knight coached there in the late 60's), and those eight teams only played PAC12 teams twice in total.  Nor a lot of opportunity.   Other than those 8 teams and a few others, Army basketball has been really bad for many years.    This year's team will almost certainly be the best team they have had since at least 1984-85.   That was pretty clear before the season even began.

Army's best PL record in the 24 years the league has existed is 8-6.    They will almost certainly do better this year.



Not "astounded", just expressing my concern for having to square up with them twice. Hopefully we man up and at least split with them this year.
BillS

Kpard wrote:
bison137 wrote:
I think those who seem astounded by this win haven't been paying attention, either to Army and/or to USC.   If Army had beat Stony Brook or American (or Lafayette), how many would consider that a big win?  Yet those three teams are among the 154 teams ranked ahead of USC at the moment.   Army didn't beat the PAC12, they beat a fairly weak team who happens to be in that league.   Nice win, but certainly not huge.  And not a huge surprise.

It's not surprising that they haven't beaten a PAC12 since 1964, considering that Army has had only eight good teams since that time (5 of them when Bobby Knight coached there in the late 60's), and those eight teams only played PAC12 teams twice in total.  Nor a lot of opportunity.   Other than those 8 teams and a few others, Army basketball has been really bad for many years.    This year's team will almost certainly be the best team they have had since at least 1984-85.   That was pretty clear before the season even began.

Army's best PL record in the 24 years the league has existed is 8-6.    They will almost certainly do better this year.



Not "astounded", just expressing my concern for having to square up with them twice. Hopefully we man up and at least split with them this year.
these are PL officials , I would send a league a message by being more physical than Army, even if means TF and player ejections this is the only way the League will get it.
NewXbo

Why don't we have PA announcer announce our players as ROTC Lt Trist, ROTC Lt Linder, etc, then we will outrank them.
NotGordonAustin

AU beats LaSalle at Gola

AU beats LaSalle at LaSalle in overtime Tuesday, 68-66. Monster road win over Pomeroy's #104 ranked team. Especially gratifying after LaSalle's Jordan Price hit a halfcourt shot at the buzzer in regulation to force OT.

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