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carney2

Princeton Pregame - The Defining Moment

Normally I'd begin this by talking about The Curse and how we have only beaten the Tabbies 4 times in 133 years.  Then I might go on to point out that there is no reason to believe that this is a good Princeton team since they pretty much defined average last year in the Ivy League.  I'd probably then point out that this is their season opener which gives us an advantage.

None of that this time around.  It's only game 3, but we've reached our Rubicon.  Lose this and it will be very difficult, and perhaps impossible, to avoid our sixth consecutive losing season.  0-3 with Wagner, Fordham, Harvard, Bucknell, Colgate, and, yes, Lehigh to go would make for a very steep mountain to climb.

Unfortunately, Saturday's performance in the rain at Delaware doesn't provide many positives to build on.  If you see some please make a case.

Your turn.
flyfisher

Great kicking game in all facets.
Defense was good against a 1 dimensional offense.
Newleopardfan2

flyfisher wrote:
Great kicking game in all facets.


I'm gonna agree. The kickoff return game, however...
flyfisher

Newleopardfan2 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Great kicking game in all facets.


I'm gonna agree. The kickoff return game, however...


Gotta catch it first. They did a good job kicking in the corner as well. I was referring mainly to our kicking.
carney2

Newleopardfan2 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Great kicking game in all facets.


I'm gonna agree. The kickoff return game, however...


Terrible!  And, as I pointed out in the game thread, no opponent seems to fear kicking to Matt Smalley.  Yesterday it proved to be an excellent decision for Delaware so they just kept doing it.
pardfan

Frank Tavani and toughest schedule (defined in terms of how many wins can a team REALLY count on going in) ever in football.  Basketball on a major, major, major rebuild.  Fasten seatbelts.
flyfisher

Matt has had some very good returns. For those that could not be there yesterday it was not only wet, it was raining sideways. Delaware did not have a great return night as well. I imagine we may see some of the freshmen back there as they gain experience but last night was not the night to do that. Try to keep in mind that Matt is a multiple year all-conference player and preseason all-American. Lots of teams would like to have him. But then, we are Pards.
Andy

flyfisher wrote:
Matt has had some very good returns. For those that could not be there yesterday it was not only wet, it was raining sideways. Delaware did not have a great return night as well. I imagine we may see some of the freshmen back there as they gain experience but last night was not the night to do that. Try to keep in mind that Matt is a multiple year all-conference player and preseason all-American. Lots of teams would like to have him. But then, we are Pards.


Matt is a terrific kick returner who had a terrible day in the wet conditions. The past 2 games freshman Butler (29) has been back there with him. We love Butler who will be a really good DB for us, but he has to learn to block someone on the KO.
CHIP72

Looking forward to watching the Leopards in person against Princeton.  Hopefully they surprise many of us and post a W.
carney2

CHIP72 wrote:
Looking forward to watching the Leopards in person against Princeton.  Hopefully they surprise many of us and post a W.


I will be "eating" my ticket for the second consecutive game.  On top of that, an ill timed family event will prevent me from joining Gary and Mike.  I'll be stuck with the Sunday morning rerun on RCN.
bethlehempard

Speaking of eating, I made my first stop at Sette Luna on Ferry Street early yesterday evening before heading home to watch the game.
Excellent thin-crust pizza with fresh ingredients.
Probably the best I've had in the Lehigh Valley.
I had the basic margherita, Mrs. Bethlehempard had a white pizza with arugula and we took home a Siciliano (eggplant etc not thick crust) for our last dependent. All-around excellent, decent beer selection.
Worth a stop before seeing our first win of the year.
Pards Rule

flyfisher wrote:
Matt has had some very good returns. For those that could not be there yesterday it was not only wet, it was raining sideways. Delaware did not have a great return night as well. I imagine we may see some of the freshmen back there as they gain experience but last night was not the night to do that. Try to keep in mind that Matt is a multiple year all-conference player and preseason all-American. Lots of teams would like to have him. But then, we are Pards.


Im still drying out! Fly saw me have to wrench out the Pard multiple times. I saw the Kellers and spoke with them. Basically game was decided on the fumble by Reed at our 2. In my 35 years of watching football games in person ( I missed the Columbia deluge) that was the worst rain I ever encountered. Note: it did rain heavy in the Eagles-Cowboys evening game on Halloween 1993 but I was in a Superbox at the old Vet so I wasnt affected.
Newleopardfan2

[quote="Andy:49785"]
flyfisher wrote:
Matt has had some very good returns. For those that could not be there yesterday it was not only wet, it was raining sideways. Delaware did not have a great return night as well. I imagine we may see some of the freshmen back there as they gain experience but last night was not the night to do that. Try to keep in mind that Matt is a multiple year all-conference player and preseason all-American. Lots of teams would like to have him. But then, we are Pards.


No doubt - Matt is a star. But yesterday was not his day. Catching the ball was the obvious part, but I'm also sure he'll hear about his decisions to bring balls out rather than take a knee. Even on ones that turned out OK (like the opener), he looked indecisive. Yes, when it rains...
Bogus Megapardus

Is it safe to assume that Bob Surace will again run a no-huddle?

Princeton's pre-season video previews for various player positions are here:

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/...LID=210332801&DB_OEM_ID=10600
Bogus Megapardus

Princeton list 123 players on its active roster, including 21 offensive linemen, 22 linebackers, 8 running backs and 7 quarterbacks.

The video preview notes that the current roster of Tiger QBs has a grand total of 10 passes thrown among them.  Only Ivy team without a returning QB starter.
flyfisher

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Princeton list 123 players on its active roster, including 21 offensive linemen, 22 linebackers, 8 running backs and 7 quarterbacks.

The video preview notes that the current roster of Tiger QBs has a grand total of 10 passes thrown among them.  Only Ivy team without a returning QB starter.


Now that is what you call DEPTH. 21 o-linemen., we have exactly half that. We have a third that many Lbers and had to move two of them.
CHIP72

Pards Rule wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Matt has had some very good returns. For those that could not be there yesterday it was not only wet, it was raining sideways. Delaware did not have a great return night as well. I imagine we may see some of the freshmen back there as they gain experience but last night was not the night to do that. Try to keep in mind that Matt is a multiple year all-conference player and preseason all-American. Lots of teams would like to have him. But then, we are Pards.


Im still drying out! Fly saw me have to wrench out the Pard multiple times. I saw the Kellers and spoke with them. Basically game was decided on the fumble by Reed at our 2. In my 35 years of watching football games in person ( I missed the Columbia deluge) that was the worst rain I ever encountered. Note: it did rain heavy in the Eagles-Cowboys evening game on Halloween 1993 but I was in a Superbox at the old Vet so I wasnt affected.


UGH, I think that was the game where Emmitt Smith ran for 237 yards or something like that.

OK, back to your regularly-scheduled Lafayette programming.
LeopardBall10

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Princeton list 123 players on its active roster, including 21 offensive linemen, 22 linebackers, 8 running backs and 7 quarterbacks.

The video preview notes that the current roster of Tiger QBs has a grand total of 10 passes thrown among them.  Only Ivy team without a returning QB starter.


That is a huge roster, would be awesome for practie but you can still only play 11 at a time.

I didn't watch the video, but are any of the QBs lefties? After watching Surace's offense a few times I will tell you that it is the most complex I have ever seen. Double reads, playing multiple QBs at the same time (one right handed and one left handed so he could run plays in both directions), misdirection, QB runs... I know the fits that this type of offense and this offense specifically gave Loose and his "old school"4-3 and his more recent 3-4 versions of his defense. I will be interested to see how Link uses the flexibility of the 3-3-5 to combat it.
carney2

Would appreciate an assessment of the defense from someone who knows what he's talking about.  I disregarded W&M's ability to run the ball because their O-line and lead back were so good.  Delaware seemed like a mixed bag as we seemed, at times, unable to stop the run, but the goal line situations were impressive.  Anyway, Princeton has little experience at QB and has our results from the first two games to ponder, so I would assume they will attempt to run straight at us.
yesrep

Defense is simple get Brockman back who is built for lb,put bencsko at safety get Parhem back,put J R at safety ,what else do you need to know.The young kids are playing hard but are lost ,you can see it in all the pre snap reads.We may have both back this week.Two good safetys filling changes lots
Bogus Megapardus

Princeton is going to be a completely different game.  First off the Saturday evening weather in Easton (as of now) is supposed to be pleasant.  The defense will be playing against another inexperienced QB but it will be a no-huddle, if the past is any indication.  The Princeton OL will be less stout but perhaps quicker, and their blocking schemes undoubtedly will be substantially more complex and varied.

I'm going to guess that they'll run, screen and stick to shorter outside passes.  I'm guessing we won't see a lot of passes up the middle and they won't be consistently trying to take the top off our D - though they might try on or two long on second and very short just to see what the new QB can do with his receivers.
carney2

Thanx to both yesrep and Bogie.  What is the status of our wounded for Saturday?  Who's in.  Who's out?  Any solid info available or is it (a) too early or (b) top secret?
Andy

yesrep wrote:
Defense is simple get Brockman back who is built for lb,put bencsko at safety get Parhem back,put J R at safety ,what else do you need to know.The young kids are playing hard but are lost ,you can see it in all the pre snap reads.We may have both back this week.Two good safetys filling changes lots


Couldn't agree more!  Was more pessimistic about Brock's return. Good news, thanks, yesrep.
flyfisher

I doubt they will put out an injury report that is reliable. If i was coach I wouldnt.
carney2

flyfisher wrote:
I doubt they will put out an injury report that is reliable. If i was coach I wouldnt.


Can we then consider the Game Notes two deep as reliable when it comes out?

And, oh yeah, Frank says that the 2 QB revolving door is officially over.  There will be "competition" thru Wednesday, but the winner will get the 1st team reps on Thursday.  He was dissatisfied with both of their play on Saturday.
Bogus Megapardus

When we last played Princeton, Andrew Dzurik (now of Bethel U. in St. Paul, Minn.) was the Pards' QB.  Dzurik went 20-46 for 243 yards and 1 TD.  He was intercepted twice and sacked four times.

http://www.goleopards.com/sports/...tbl/stats/2013-2014/lcgame05.html

In the following game (at Harvard) Dzurik was replaced at the half by then-freshman Drew Reed and was never heard from again.

Dzurik went 10-23 for 118 yards last week for D-III Bethel in a loss to Wartburg College.  He was intercepted once and sacked twice.

http://athletics.bethel.edu/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=13197

Anybody we put out there Saturday, be it Xbo, Andy or the cheerleader, undoubtedly will do better.
Bogus Megapardus

Week 3 Sportsbook:

Dartmouth (-15½) at Georgetown o/u 45

Lehigh (-6½) vs. Penn o/u 55

Bryant (-7) at Brown o/u 41½

Fordham (-40) vs. Columbia o/u 59

Yale (-4) at Colgate o/u 61

Harvard (-22½) at Rhode Island o/u 41½

Bucknell (-14½) at Cornell o/u 44½

Lafayette (-5) vs. Princeton o/u 54

Towson (-7) vs. Holy Cross o/u 44

*   *   *   *   *   *   *   *

Other Games of Interest:

Virginia (-23) vs. William & Mary o/u 45

Tulane (-12½) vs. Maine o/u 37

Villanova (-20) vs. Delaware o/u 50½

James Madison (-14½) vs. Albany o/u 61

Sacred Heart (-19) at Marist o/u 39

Wagner (-3) vs. Monmouth o/u 49

Richmond (-1Cool vs. VMI o/u 67

New Hampshire (-7) at Stony Brook o/u 43


  
NewXbo

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
When we last played Princeton, Andrew Dzurik (now of Bethel U. in St. Paul, Minn.) was the Pards' QB.  Dzurik went 20-46 for 243 yards and 1 TD.  He was intercepted twice and sacked four times.

http://www.goleopards.com/sports/...tbl/stats/2013-2014/lcgame05.html

In the following game (at Harvard) Dzurik was replaced at the half by then-freshman Drew Reed and was never heard from again.

Dzurik went 10-23 for 118 yards last week for D-III Bethel in a loss to Wartburg College.  He was intercepted once and sacked twice.

http://athletics.bethel.edu/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=13197

Anybody we put out there Saturday, be it Xbo, Andy or the cheerleader, undoubtedly will do better.


I was always a wide receiver or free safety.  I'm sure a 300 pounder like
Andy was a lineman.
Andy

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Week 3 Sportsbook:

Dartmouth (-15½) at Georgetown o/u 45

Lehigh (-6½) vs. Penn o/u 55

Bryant (-7) at Brown o/u 41½

Fordham (-40) vs. Columbia o/u 59

Yale (-4) at Colgate o/u 61

Harvard (-22½) at Rhode Island o/u 41½

Bucknell (-14½) at Cornell o/u 44½

Lafayette (-5) vs. Princeton o/u 54

Towson (-7) vs. Holy Cross o/u 44

*   *   *   *   *   *   *   *

Other Games of Interest:

Virginia (-23) vs. William & Mary o/u 45

Tulane (-12½) vs. Maine o/u 37

Villanova (-20) vs. Delaware o/u 50½

James Madison (-14½) vs. Albany o/u 61

Sacred Heart (-19) at Marist o/u 39

Wagner (-3) vs. Monmouth o/u 49

Richmond (-1Cool vs. VMI o/u 67

New Hampshire (-7) at Stony Brook o/u 43


  


I would like to wager 1000 "units" on JMU. Thank you.
edge29

I was looking forward to this game until I considered the following:

1 - Princeton averaged roughly 40 pts a game last year.  
2 - They put up 42 on us the last time we played them.  
3 - They run a hurry up/no huddle O.
4 - Their roster is 100+.

Us:
1 - We've scored 1 offensive TD in 8 quarters.
2 - Our roster is 80 when fully healthy.  Let's say it's 70.
3 - after 3 games we don't know who our QB is.  It's probably Reed but you get the picture.

Is getting 3 players back going to change these facts?  Someone PLEASE help me stay positive for this game!!
Andy

edge29 wrote:
I was looking forward to this game until I considered the following:

1 - Princeton averaged roughly 40 pts a game last year.  
2 - They put up 42 on us the last time we played them.  
3 - They run a hurry up/no huddle O.
4 - Their roster is 100+.

Us:
1 - We've scored 1 offensive TD in 8 quarters.
2 - Our roster is 80 when fully healthy.  Let's say it's 70.
3 - after 3 games we don't know who our QB is.  It's probably Reed but you get the picture.

Is getting 3 players back going to change these facts?  Someone PLEASE help me stay positive for this game!!


You've got me depressed now, but I'll try: Smile

P only scored 29 in their opening loss at San Diego.
San Diego's next game was against Marist whom they beat 20-16.
San Diego lost to Jacksonville 35-18. Jacksonville lost to Marist 17-16.
We are better than SD.

P's avg ppg was amassed vs crappy opponents:

SD - 29
Davidson - 56
Columbia - 38
Cornell - 38

Vs quality opponents:

Penn - 22 (quality?)
H - 7
Yale - 30
Dartmouth - 10

Can our quality (when healthy) D hold them to say 24 or less?  Yes!!! How about 17?

Now building confidence on our O side may take some imagination.  Smile
carney2

edge29 wrote:
Someone PLEASE help me stay positive for this game!!


Princeton's first game.  A huge disadvantage, at least for the first 30 minutes.  (Check some of those Penn games over the last 10 years where we were their first game of the season.  it was one of these games in fact, where The Frankosaurus invented the Prevent Offense because he didn't trust his first half performance.)

No Dick Kazmaier.  No Cosmo Iacavazzi.  Nothing special at all.  Despite the scoring stats you've given, they were quite ordinary last year, and you should expect much the same for 2015.

I've been heralding The Curse on AGS, but even I believe we should win this, injuries or not.  I was going to title this thread Giving the Finger to the Gods until I saw that uninspired and uninspiring performance last Saturday.

To some extent our backs are against the wall.  A cornered Leopard is, I hope, a dangerous Leopard.  If we don't win this - not just play well, but WIN - we are beginning something of a death spiral.  I'm betting that everyone in Bourger recognizes this.

Our overall talent levels are at least equal to all but the best of the Ivy League.  Princeton is not the best.
Andy

P has lost their last 8 openers, mainly vs lehigh.
Pard4Life

Princeton will not be dressing all 100+ for a road game.

Link's scheme is supposed to be built to defend the no-huddle spread (I think?)  but we seem to not have had uneven success in this area.

Surace is supposed to reinvigorating the Princeton program.  This game will be a major test of that concept.  Can they come out swinging against a scholarship program, one that, despite the ugly losses, was physically as capable as the CAA teams?

I am fully confident that our D can limit their rookie offense, but our offense is the major concern.

We should win this game... but... it has all the makings of a mismanaged fiasco... which is the narrative in all of our other Princeton losses.

Death spiral? I don't think so... the death spiral is if we lose to Gtown.  But let's face it.. it does not look great... Wagner was NEC co-champ, Fordham is Fordham, Harvard is Harvard... then league play.
Andy

Today's 2-deep shows neither Brockman nor Parham. Joey C. is listed as a backup.  Not good. Hopefully some surprises.
bison137

edge29 wrote:
I was looking forward to this game until I considered the following:

1 - Princeton averaged roughly 40 pts a game last year.  
2 - They put up 42 on us the last time we played them.  
3 - They run a hurry up/no huddle O.
4 - Their roster is 100+.




Actually averaged 28 ppg, not 40.   Only scored 40+ once all season, and that was against Davidson so it really doesn't count.    For all their scoring, P ended up 5-5, including a loss to Colgate and a 31 point home loss to end the season.

Last year's Princeton team was not the 2013 version by any means.
Franks Tanks

Sorry Guys I just don't see a positive outcome for Saturday.  We have some very talented individual players, but many are young and just don't equal the sum of the parts.

The Good

- Brown, Mzarek, Palumbo, Wadsworth and the young OL guys are very promising.  All are big and athletic and play their tails off.  

-Our kicker is awesome

-We have some tremendous athletes on D, Bryant is a freakin stud.  I really like Beau Bosch as well, and once he learns to play the position and adds another 20 pounds watch out!

The Bad

- We don't have a QB.  Drew Reed once looked like an AA, and now I just hope he can be above average. He can't stay healthy or unsuspended, and he hasn't looks sharp for some time.  He is by far our most talented QB, and we need him.  I hope he can deliver, but it has been while since he has played that way.

- OL.  Yes the young guys have played pretty well, and they will be very good some day (they can actually move). Credit Stan for coaching these guys up, but it is also on Stan/Frank for being in this place to begin with.  Yes, we have injuries.  We always have injuries, but Stan and Frank were responsible for recruiting the upperclassmen as well, and most haven't panned out.  Stan has done a good job coaching what he has, but recruiting and lack of development is why he has what he has.

-Defense.  Our DB's will be tested and I worry they will struggle with Princeton's multiple formations and personnel groupings.  I'm sure Link will keep things as simple as possible, but this is a difficult task.


At this point we probably have better players than Princeton at most positions, but I feel our D will struggle and unless we get Drew Reed from 2013 again at some point the O will have difficulty sustaining drives.

I feeling a 27 to 16 game with the Pards on the wrong side again.  Wagner and Harvard are both probably better than Princeton, and we also have Fordham.  Oh boy.
Pard4Life

bison137 wrote:
edge29 wrote:
I was looking forward to this game until I considered the following:

1 - Princeton averaged roughly 40 pts a game last year.  
2 - They put up 42 on us the last time we played them.  
3 - They run a hurry up/no huddle O.
4 - Their roster is 100+.




Actually averaged 28 ppg, not 40.   Only scored 40+ once all season, and that was against Davidson so it really doesn't count.    For all their scoring, P ended up 5-5, including a loss to Colgate and a 31 point home loss to end the season.

Last year's Princeton team was not the 2013 version by any means.


Their 2014 version was supposed to be le crème de le crème.  QB Epperly was boasting in April that any loss would be unacceptable for this team.

Princeton choked away the game vs. Colgate.  However, it seems that one requires an 'offense' to do so:  http://www.nj.com/princeton/index.ssf/2014/10/princeton_football_edged_by_co.html
Bogus Megapardus

Princeton QB apparently will be #11 Chad Kanoff (6-4/225), a junior.  Kanoff was a 4-star (ESPN) recruit who had signed a letter of intent with Vanderbilt but then backed out when he was accepted at Princeton.  Archetypal Princeton type - went to a spiffy prep school; mom & dad are lawyer and investment banker; siblings at Dartmouth and Amherst, etc, etc....

http://espn.go.com/college-sports...ng/player/_/id/140977/chad-kanoff

http://dailyprincetonian.com/spor...four-star-recruit-became-a-tiger/
Pard4Life

Game info and notes are out:

http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091515aab.html
Bogus Megapardus

Fascinating that Princeton has chosen to shield its alums' delicate eyes from the horror of watching its team slum down to Easton.  The Princeton schedule lists every video outlet for every game except for the LSN broadcast this weekend.

It's a curious decision because the LSN stream likely will be the best-produced, most professional broadcast of any Princeton game this season.

BTW - Princeton's OOC this season is Lafayette - Lehigh - Colgate.  So much for the "rethinking" of scheduling PL teams.  Rolling Eyes
carney2

Two deep shows Searfoss as the starter.  According to Frank that decision won't be made until Thursday.
Andy

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Princeton QB apparently will be #11 Chad Kanoff (6-4/225), a junior.  Kanoff was a 4-star (ESPN) recruit who had signed a letter of intent with Vanderbilt but then backed out when he was accepted at Princeton.  Archetypal Princeton type - went to a spiffy prep school; mom & dad are lawyer and investment banker


Coach Link will roll out the "Silver Spoon" variation of his 4-2-5 defense.
Bogus Megapardus

If you're Bob Surace, what are you telling your team right now about what to expect with this week's opponent?
flyfisher

Ball control.passing attack, pull safeties up, find 33 on LC defense and don't leave him unblocked. Pressure the qb.
pardfan

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
If you're Bob Surace, what are you telling your team right now about what to expect with this week's opponent?

"Get physical with one of the weakest offensive lines we'll see all season."
Pard4Life

pardfan wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
If you're Bob Surace, what are you telling your team right now about what to expect with this week's opponent?

"Get physical with one of the weakest offensive lines we'll see all season."


OL is probably one of our lesser worries at this point.
Bogus Megapardus

pardfan wrote:
"Get physical with one of the weakest offensive lines we'll see all season."


We have a not-insignificant size advantage on the OL but not on the DL:

    O-Line        Avg. Ht.      Avg. Wt.
    Lafayette       6-4½          309
    Princeton       6-4             274

    D-Line
    Lafayette       6-2             265  
    Princeton       6-4             277
pardfan

Defensive backs--we found out who could play in first game.  They'll be fine
Defensive line--while not a strength, there is skill there.  Goal line stands
                      against Delaware showed some real heart
Linebackers--continue to turn Bryant loose.
Quarterback--Searfoss is the best option.  Let's move on.
Running Backs--Brown and Mayfield are quality.
Offensive line--inexperienced, uncertain, SLOOOW off the ball
Pass catchers--Other than Wadsworth, all our receivers look pretty good
                     
Andy

carney2 wrote:
Two deep shows Searfoss as the starter.  According to Frank that decision won't be made until Thursday.


Well, we had a QB lose his position last year to injury. Frank said in the spring that one can't lose one's job to injury. Which would have brought about a neat and tidy transition back to Reed. However, what does the code call for in the case of intervening suspension?  Apparently, we revert back to "competition."
Bogus Megapardus

Andy wrote:
Well, we had a QB lose his position last year to injury. Frank said in the spring that one can't lose one's job to injury. Which would have brought about a neat and tidy transition back to Reed. However, what does the code call for in the case of intervening suspension?  Apparently, we revert back to "competition."


But once the injury is resolved and the suspension is served, Coach T. still has an obligation to start the best available players.  Reed is behind the 8-ball due to the suspension so the start went to Searfoss.  Reed is fortunate even to be in a competition at this point.
Pard4Life

SID guys have a sense of humor. Check the opponent national vote totals and rankings box in the Lafayette game notes.
Bogus Megapardus

Pard4Life wrote:
SID guys have a sense of humor. Check the opponent national vote totals and rankings box in the Lafayette game notes.




Oh, that canny SID!  Well played!

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schoo...6/release/release_20150915aaa.pdf



Andy

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Andy wrote:
Well, we had a QB lose his position last year to injury. Frank said in the spring that one can't lose one's job to injury. Which would have brought about a neat and tidy transition back to Reed. However, what does the code call for in the case of intervening suspension?  Apparently, we revert back to "competition."


But once the injury is resolved and the suspension is served, Coach T. still has an obligation to start the best available players.  Reed is behind the 8-ball due to the suspension so the start went to Searfoss.  Reed is fortunate even to be in a competition at this point.


Maybe Frank determines best available by body of work. We dont know if Reed is fortunate to be in competition cause we dont know the first thing about the suspension.  Blake has not played very well, the first down INT in the red-zone being the biggest no-no IMO.  Let's face it, the "no one loses their job due to injury" is selectively applied by all coaches. If the replacement comes in and looks great and wins, the code may be held in abeyance. If they want their starter back, it's invoked.  No doubt though, when a sub comes in, works hard, plays hard, has his teammates respect, it's got to be difficult for a coach to say "thanks, take a seat."  IMO his obligation is to play the guy who gives the team the best chance of winning. There can be hard feelings. I believe Frank is a master at managing these type of issues.
pardfan

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Andy wrote:
Well, we had a QB lose his position last year to injury. Frank said in the spring that one can't lose one's job to injury. Which would have brought about a neat and tidy transition back to Reed. However, what does the code call for in the case of intervening suspension?  Apparently, we revert back to "competition."


But once the injury is resolved and the suspension is served, Coach T. still has an obligation to start the best available players.  Reed is behind the 8-ball due to the suspension so the start went to Searfoss.  Reed is fortunate even to be in a competition at this point.


I, for one, am not willing to flush this season down the toilet in an effort to find the old Drew.  He has shown enough in the last two seasons to convince me that the guy in the #7 jersey that we have been marching out  there is not the same player.  "He's been injured," you say.  Tavani wouldn't put an injured player on the field.  When we have seen Drew, he has been "good to go."  
Furthermore, it really bugs me that we have gone to the freshmen on the OL so early.  Frank is going to use that as an excuse for the rest of the season if things go south.  I don't want to hear it.  Just win Frank and stop the incessant excuse-making. (Injuries, young team, lack of depth, tough schedule, too many away games (last yr)) Yada, yada, yada.  Sad part is that he is a pretty good recruiter.  The guys he got from Illinois the last two years are top players from top teams in the Chicago area.  But you gotta win.
flyfisher

The freshmen o-linemen play because they have earned the position. They have executed better than others. And we don't have a lot of depth. However everyone contributes in some way.

No opinion on Reed or the QB position. The only thing I will remind everyone of is in his freshman year he had a WR named Mark Ross. Mark could make a lot of QB's look good. Here is to wishing they all do well.

my biggest disappointment this season so far is to not see Chris Brockman out there. The guy trained his heart out and was poised for a great senior season and now he is out for some reason. Some kind of injury, no idea what it is. But the kid worked so hard to have a great year and has not been able to show it yet. Yet. And selfishly, he is the straw that stirs the drink on defense. He plays the key position in Link's defense. I pray he gets to fulfill his dreams for this season.
Pard4Life

The Priceton game just raised its profile. Will there be more national media in attendance than fans?

http://www.si.com/college-footbal...arrow-comes-out-gay?xid=si_social
pardfan

Harvard--acknowledged to be the consistently best team in the Ivy League-- getting a little heat for a soft OOC schedule just about every year.  (We are considered a prime example.)  Might be a good idea if we started winning some of these OOC games.  Just a thought.
Let me get this straight:  OOC's are just a preparation for League games which are a preparation for Lehigh.  Phooey.
Franks Tanks

My 2 cents on Reed vs. Searfoss.

Blake is athletic, and seems to have the respect of his teammates.  He doesn't run very often however, perhaps he is instructed not to do so.  I do think Blake struggles quite a bit in the intermediate to long passing game (passes greater than say 12 years).  His arm strength an accuracy are just ok, and he doesn't read the field as well as Drew.  I think we become limited with Blake as our options down the field are limited.

Drew has a better arm (accuracy and velocity), and can make throws Blake can't.  I think Drew goes through his progressions more quickly, and can deliver the call quicker. Drew adds a different dynamic to the offense.  If he can get to 80% of 2013 Drew I think we will be ok.  Yes, I understand Drew had Mark Ross in 2013, but plenty of other QB's at Lafayette had Mark Ross as well ad didn't perform as nearly as well as Drew.
carney2

Reed has the bigger up side as he demonstrated in 2013.  But we haven't seen any of it in a long time.  Searfoss is pretty much a steady "what you see is what you get" guy.  My choice would be Reed because of the potential, but with the caveat that he is in the back half of his college career and had better show something.

Glad it's not my decision.
NewXbo

carney2 wrote:


Glad it's not my decision.


Does this mean you are not going to criticize Frank?
carney2

NewXbo wrote:
carney2 wrote:


Glad it's not my decision.


Does this mean you are not going to criticize Frank?


It's only the third game, but you seem to have already become delusional.  You know what a bear does in the woods, and you know what I do during football season - although that first Wednesday in February tends to get me going too.
BillS

carney2 wrote:
NewXbo wrote:
carney2 wrote:


Glad it's not my decision.


Does this mean you are not going to criticize Frank?


It's only the third game, but you seem to have already become delusional.  You know what a bear does in the woods, and you know what I do during football season - although that first Wednesday in February tends to get me going too.
You know what you get from Carney he's allmost as predictable as Lehigh's offense with Nick Shafnisky at QB  Wink
Pard4Life

In carney's defense, he was pretty ebullient during the 2009 season until certain things happened. Said would be a special year he said
carney2

Pard4Life wrote:
In carney's defense, he was pretty ebullient during the 2009 season until certain things happened. Said would be a special year he said


D@mn that Dominic Randolph.
LeopardBall10

carney2 wrote:
D@mn that Dominic Randolph.


Idk, I can also think of a certain kicker I would like to have words with, lol. As Hef would always say, "Its just an extra point!"
SIDELINER

The local media online from Tuesday's luncheon.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-la...football-notebook-0916-story.html

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...ell-princeton-20150915-story.html

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...b_bissell_getti.html#incart_river
SIDELINER

Paul Reinhard on Twitter: Reed will be the QB ... Avent tore ACL on his first week of practice ... Darren Wright has had foot surgery and is done for the year.
bethlehempard

The view from Mercer County:

http://dailyprincetonian.com/spor...cused-for-game-against-lafayette/

"Despite the records and statistics, the Tigers are anything but relaxed heading into the season opener against Lafayette."

Princeton hasn't won a season-opener in eight years.
NewXbo

bethlehempard wrote:
The view from Mercer County:

http://dailyprincetonian.com/spor...cused-for-game-against-lafayette/

"Despite the records and statistics, the Tigers are anything but relaxed heading into the season opener against Lafayette."

Princeton hasn't won a season-opener in eight years.



que Carney
Bogus Megapardus

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Please submit your "Excuses" . . . .




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Bogus Megapardus

bethlehempard wrote:
The view from Mercer County:

http://dailyprincetonian.com/spor...cused-for-game-against-lafayette/

"Despite the records and statistics, the Tigers are anything but relaxed heading into the season opener against Lafayette."

Princeton hasn't won a season-opener in eight years.


Princeton still hasn't provided a link to the LSN video broadcast on its schedule page.

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/...ct.dbml?SPID=4263&SPSID=46860

The Daily Princetonian article doesn't mention it either.  I'd get it were Ivy providing a competing feed of their own but they're not.



EDIT - I see that Princeton now has seen fit to provide a link to the LSN broadcast in their "Football Friday" feature.  But it's not on the schedule page where most folks would look.

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/...LID=210352489&DB_OEM_ID=10600
Pard4Life

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
As Requested . . . .

          THE WHEEL OF EXCUSES





Please submit your "Excuses" . . . .




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You've outdid yourself again Bogie!  Who said losing can't be fun...

1)  Not enough depth
2)  Forgot my lucky hat
3)  It's a young team
4)  Still in camp mode
5)  Injuries
6)  Undisciplined
7)  carney2 made the game plan
SixtyEighter

Princeton is mortal just like Delaware was . The tigers were 5 and 5 last year. They lost their QB who was very good but his replacement backed up by someone equally as good is a Vanderbilt recruit who decommitted when he was accepted by Princeton.Based on the last two weeks it's hard to see Princeton losing a 9th straight opener on Fisher Field at Fisher Stadium.Nevertheless I will feed my addiction and attend . At 3:45 I will migrate to the LaBarre Tailgate and then in true lemming like fashion to the game to hope for a miracle.By the way Princeton sells their video over the Ivy Digital Network which may explain why they are being demure about our free broadcast.I don't know for certain if this game is on the Ivy stream, however.
Pard4Life

LeopardBall10 wrote:
carney2 wrote:
D@mn that Dominic Randolph.


Idk, I can also think of a certain kicker I would like to have words with, lol. As Hef would always say, "Its just an extra point!"


Don't forget the referee... the league APOLOGIZED for the blown non-pass interference that would have placed us beyond midfield and kept our winning drive alive.

Doomed two years in a row vs Holy Cross by missed XPs..
pardfan

The excuse (I fear) that will say it all:  "With the injuries last yr and the suspension this year, Drew has to shake off some rust.  He's our guy and since this is OOC, we have time to work things out."



What has to happen for us to win:
1)Talent-laden defensive backfield must play to its potential.  (I think they will.)
2)Drew Reed MUST (absolute "must") finish the game without a fumble or an interception.  (I'm willing to bet a nickel that he has fumbled and/or been intercepted in every game he has played in within the last two yrs.)
bethlehempard

Lafayette can and should win this one.
Go Pards!
Bogus Megapardus

carney2

If we had a chalkboard, I'd suggest

It's Red Zone, not Dead Zone.
Pards Rule

bethlehempard wrote:
Lafayette can and should win this one.
Go Pards!


Im driving up all the way from Long Beach Island NJ to hopefully see my first win in person over Princeton. I was at the Washington Semester at American Univ in fall 1982 when they last won, I believe, over the Tigers. That was when Nick Kowgios had a Pard record setting day with 269 rushing, eclipsed by one Ross Scheuerman (see associated thread) in #150 last November, 2014.
carney2

Pards Rule wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
Lafayette can and should win this one.
Go Pards!


Im driving up all the way from Long Beach Island NJ to hopefully see my first win in person over Princeton. I was at the Washington Semester at American Univ in fall 1982 when they last won, I believe, over the Tigers. That was when Nick Kowgios had a Pard record setting day with 269 rushing, eclipsed by one Ross Scheuerman (see associated thread) in #150 last November, 2014.


The "last wins" were in 2000 and 2003, both in the Tavani era.  There's hope.
carney2

Ready to go off on someone

in the medical community for keeping me away from Fisher,

or

in my family for keeping me away from Gary, Mike and John.
Bogus Megapardus

FWIW, Delaware nearly beat Villanova (Blue Hens led until the very end) and W&M is leading Virginia 17-14 in the 2nd quarter.
Bogus Megapardus

carney2 wrote:
Ready to go off on someone

in the medical community for keeping me away from Fisher,

or

in my family for keeping me away from Gary, Mike and John.


Top medical experts the world over have concluded that a Pard win over the Tiger-lilies is both curative and recuperative.  Cool
bethlehempard

I just got an unprintable string of text messages from a Colgate friend who was at their game. Their coach appears to be a lot less popular than Frank right now.
Lehigh made it look easy over Penn.
Bucknell is down right now against a Cornell team that was dreadful last year.
Bogus Megapardus

bethlehempard wrote:
I just got an unprintable string of text messages from a Colgate friend who was at their game. Their coach appears to be a lot less popular than Frank right now.
Lehigh made it look easy over Penn.
Bucknell is down right now against a Cornell team that was dreadful last year.


Colgate blew it on a quick 2 point try by Yale for which 'Gate was totally unprepared.  Also Al Bagnoli's Columbia Lions held their own against Fordham.  Columbia's QB is a transfer from Florida and is the son of long time NFL coach Marty Mornhinweg.



EDIT - The Annoying Orange wound up beating Cornell with some solid defense at the end.  And the Hoyas were out-everythinged by Dartmouth.
Bogus Megapardus

Five minutes to kickoff, and I regret so much that I'm unable to attend this game.  Anybody think we need an in-game thread, or should we just hold our collective breath?
SixtyEighter

Bogie - Morningwheg(sic) is the guy who committed to Penn State and was then birdogged by Florida. He then decommitted to Joe Pa.For anyone else - Morningwheg is the new QB on Bagnoli's Columbia team.He played his HS ball at a Philly prep school- maybe Malvern  or Penn Charter.

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