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Andy

Princeton

$20 billion endowment and we have to pay to watch.....
The Maroon

It's 50-20 with 4 minutes left in the  first half.

Sigh....
The Maroon

57-24 at the half.
Not our night.
Andy

I really believe someone told these P announcers to lighten up on us. They were literally laughing at our defense in the 1st half. Suddenly 2nd half they're being complimentary.....down by 38
Andy

P by 50, still chucking up the 3s
The Maroon

We beat them last year.
Princeton teams don't schedule us to lose.
Not surprised they're bringing it this year. Obviously this is a rebuilding year. Hopefully we'll have an identity by theague season.
The Maroon

Andy wrote:
P by 50, still chucking up the 3s

Oh shit...
bethlehempard

The worst loss since Kentucky, 2012?
Doubled up by an Ivy. 104-52.
Shot 34.5 percent; 6-15 FTs. Rebounds 50-26. Just about right. Nick and Monty led the team in rebounds: four each. That's the Lafayette way.
Oh well.
The Maroon

bethlehempard wrote:
The worst loss since Kentucky, 2012?.

Somehow this feels worse.
Kpard

Wow!
Princeton, right?
We were scheduled to play Princeton?
Not Duke, or UK, or Kansas.
Princeton!
The team picked to finish 3rd in the Ivy League.
Princeton.
I guess we were already on Thanksgiving break.
Doubled up and gave up 100 to Princeton!
Princeton?
Did I say Princeton?
Wow!
bethlehempard

Last time 100+ given up:
November 2012, Kentucky 101-49.
Last time doubled up:
November 2010, Villanova 86-41.
Last time 100 yielded to an Ivy team,
January 2006, Penn 105-73.
Last time doubled up by an Ivy team,
1941, Princeton 47-20. Princeton got close in 1966, 108-59.
SixtyEighter

Andy- You only paid about $10 for that horror show. I went in person and took my son and his girlfriend. It cost me $36 . Princeton scored on their second shot and never stopped. Mavbe it was their first shot but it doesn't matter- they seemed like they  hit at least 10 threes- maybe more and just kept chucking them up and in.In this game noone on Lafayette could do anything right from the tipoff to the final buzzer.We were outscored something like 21-7 to open the second half and at the start of the second half they had something like a 54-27 lead to begin with.I could see nothing positive in this game except that the game was over quickly. Even Nick played poorly. Anything Princeton threw up went in- nothing we shot went in.This game was a continuation of an onslaught of losses by the FB team, the women's team that has yet to win and has been competitive in only one game and Fran's team in the last week or so. Only the Philadelphia Eagles have lost more in comparably horrible style in such a short time - or maybe the Sixers.We are 1-9 by my quick count since basketball season opened including the FB loss to Lehigh.
NewXbo

SixtyEighter wrote:
Andy- You only paid about $10 for that horror show. I went in person and took my son and his girlfriend. It cost me $36 . Princeton scored on their second shot and never stopped. Mavbe it was their first shot but it doesn't matter- they seemed like they  hit at least 10 threes- maybe more and just kept chucking them up and in.In this game noone on Lafayette could do anything right from the tipoff to the final buzzer.We were outscored something like 21-7 to open the second half and at the start of the second half they had something like a 54-27 lead to begin with.I could see nothing positive in this game except that the game was over quickly. Even Nick played poorly. Anything Princeton threw up went in- nothing we shot went in.This game was a continuation of an onslaught of losses by the FB team, the women's team that has yet to win and has been competitive in only one game and Fran's team in the last week or so. Only the Philadelphia Eagles have lost more in comparably horrible style in such a short time - or maybe the Sixers.We are 1-9 by my quick count since basketball season opened including the FB loss to Lehigh.


I didn't get to the game but the box score has Nick shooting 6 for 12 accounting for 14 points and 4 rebounds.  I wouldn't call that poor play. I don't know if we posted Princeton's stats or if they are our stats, but there is no points in the paint statistic. What is your take on that?
SixtyEighter

Nick was unable to make even  a layup before we fell hopelessly behind because he missed his shots amnd Princeton got the layup.The statistics are misleading because of the timing of his points which mostly came when it was too late to matter.As far as the big guys we weren't competitive. Klewinski had the same issues as Nick - his points came too late to staunch the flow. And it seemed like each time we missed a shot Princeton got the rebound and went down the court and sank a three.The score was 30 or 40 -10 at one point. It was incomprehensible to watch.
Andy

NewXbo wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
Andy- You only paid about $10 for that horror show. I went in person and took my son and his girlfriend. It cost me $36 . Princeton scored on their second shot and never stopped. Mavbe it was their first shot but it doesn't matter- they seemed like they  hit at least 10 threes- maybe more and just kept chucking them up and in.In this game noone on Lafayette could do anything right from the tipoff to the final buzzer.We were outscored something like 21-7 to open the second half and at the start of the second half they had something like a 54-27 lead to begin with.I could see nothing positive in this game except that the game was over quickly. Even Nick played poorly. Anything Princeton threw up went in- nothing we shot went in.This game was a continuation of an onslaught of losses by the FB team, the women's team that has yet to win and has been competitive in only one game and Fran's team in the last week or so. Only the Philadelphia Eagles have lost more in comparably horrible style in such a short time - or maybe the Sixers.We are 1-9 by my quick count since basketball season opened including the FB loss to Lehigh.


I didn't get to the game but the box score has Nick shooting 6 for 12 accounting for 14 points and 4 rebounds.  I wouldn't call that poor play. I don't know if we posted Princeton's stats or if they are our stats, but there is no points in the paint statistic. What is your take on that?


My take is that Penn's 6-11 C will have a field day.
bethlehempard

http://www.trentonian.com/sports/...n-scores-104-in-rout-of-lafayette

Get past the incomprehensible first paragraph and there is a little reporting
Andy

SixtyEighter wrote:
Andy- You only paid about $10 for that horror show. I went in person and took my son and his girlfriend. It cost me $36 . Princeton scored on their second shot and never stopped. Mavbe it was their first shot but it doesn't matter- they seemed like they  hit at least 10 threes- maybe more and just kept chucking them up and in.In this game noone on Lafayette could do anything right from the tipoff to the final buzzer.We were outscored something like 21-7 to open the second half and at the start of the second half they had something like a 54-27 lead to begin with.I could see nothing positive in this game except that the game was over quickly. Even Nick played poorly. Anything Princeton threw up went in- nothing we shot went in.This game was a continuation of an onslaught of losses by the FB team, the women's team that has yet to win and has been competitive in only one game and Fran's team in the last week or so. Only the Philadelphia Eagles have lost more in comparably horrible style in such a short time - or maybe the Sixers.We are 1-9 by my quick count since basketball season opened including the FB loss to Lehigh.


The rest of the league must wonder at how our Athletic Administrators are still employed. In fact, rehired. Nice people, surely under-resourced, but not embarrassed?  The football schedule(Nova, Del, Army, P) suggests someone severly overestimated the effect scholarships would have.
SixtyEighter

The Trentonian story confirmed my dread regarding the Threes by Princeton- They hit 17 of them good for almost half of their 104 points.We won't win many games giving up an average of 83.5 points a game.
Marooner

I've learned to never count out an FoH coached team before Patriot League play (and really, before the Patriot League tournament). But that's a tough task right now.

Penn is certainly better than us (but not unbeatable), and I can't really get a read on SFC from their schedule thus far (losses at BC, Saint Louis and Louisville and a win over a non-DI). But I think we've got two "show me" games coming up at home. I'm not even saying we need to win them both, but I'd like to see a team that can make some noise come January and beyond.
The Maroon

Andy wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
Andy- You only paid about $10 for that horror show. I went in person and took my son and his girlfriend. It cost me $36 . Princeton scored on their second shot and never stopped. Mavbe it was their first shot but it doesn't matter- they seemed like they  hit at least 10 threes- maybe more and just kept chucking them up and in.In this game noone on Lafayette could do anything right from the tipoff to the final buzzer.We were outscored something like 21-7 to open the second half and at the start of the second half they had something like a 54-27 lead to begin with.I could see nothing positive in this game except that the game was over quickly. Even Nick played poorly. Anything Princeton threw up went in- nothing we shot went in.This game was a continuation of an onslaught of losses by the FB team, the women's team that has yet to win and has been competitive in only one game and Fran's team in the last week or so. Only the Philadelphia Eagles have lost more in comparably horrible style in such a short time - or maybe the Sixers.We are 1-9 by my quick count since basketball season opened including the FB loss to Lehigh.


The rest of the league must wonder at how our Athletic Administrators are still employed. In fact, rehired. Nice people, surely under-resourced, but not embarrassed?  The football schedule(Nova, Del, Army, P) suggests someone severly overestimated the effect scholarships would have.



At this point I don't even know what's realistic for us to expect. A lot of good teams have gotten shellacked in Jadwin and sometimes the shots are just falling (in Princeton's case) or not falling (in ours). I can shrug this off as a horrendously bad night if it weren't part of a much more disastrous pattern.

From my distant perspective we seem to occasionally land classes nobody can argue we would be able to sign if we didn't have scholarships (last years seniors for instance) - but then we go pretty much dead for a couple of seasons. This observation extends well beyond this program (which remember is one of our more successful programs of the scholarship era)

Obviously that doesn't make sense. I doubt any coach is saying "OK, we got a good class last year, we can take it easy now." I do wonder, however, if recruiting budgets can vary widely by year?

No - that doesn't make sense either. But I'm out of ideas. This may be a historically bad year for the entire athletic program where the highlight may well be field hockey's .500 finish in league play.

And yet - nothing is going to change.
Steve

I haven't had much time to post yet this season;  hopefully, I will have more time going forward.  I was at the Princeton game and largely agree with 68er's comments.  

The biggest factor in the game was the poor job we did in defending the 3-pointer.  Yes, Princeton did hit for a high percentage of their 3s, but that largely was a result of us giving them a ton of open looks from right at the 3-point line.  At least from Wednesday's game, Princeton appears to be a tough team to defend against the 3, because they have many players who can hit that shot.  Eight different Tiger players hit 3s against us on Wednesday, and several of their big men hit 3s.  We just didn't get out quickly enough against their 3-point shooters, and we gave up a ton of open looks.  Princeton did  miss a number of open looks from 3, so their percentage could have been even higher.

Part of it may have been that given our weakness in rebounding and interior D so far this season, we were a little hesitant to commit fully to blanketing their shooters on the perimeters.  Part of it probably was that our inexperienced and young big men weren't used to having to cover an opponent's bigs so closely from beyond the 3 point line.  On one occasion, we had bad luck, where Klinewski fell while trying to get an offensive rebound, but PU got the rebound and pushed the ball upcourt, so Matt's man was open for a 3-pointer before he could get back.  But overall, it was no coincidence that PU shot so well from outside, because we gave them so many good looks.

On offense, we didn't get too many points as a result of our offensive set creating good looks.  Most of our points came from individual efforts by our players beating their men.  Hopefully, as this year's team gets more experience running the offense with each other, our offensive sets will get more productive.

I agree that, although Lindner's stats looked OK, he didn't have an especially good game.  He didn't get  many points in the 1st half.  He picked up his 2nd foul less than 6 minutes into the staff when he tried to make up for committing a turnover.  In the 2nd half, he did get going with his scoring on drives to the basket, but the game was over by then.  Klinewski scored all his points early in the game, but after that he got into foul trouble, which has hampered him early this season, and Princeton's bit men seemed to adjust to his post moves and contested them better later in the game.  I'm happy with Matt developing his scoring ability so far this year; hopefully, as he continues to gain experience, he will develop more variety in his post moves, especially the ability to go to (or fake going to) his left, but that will take time to develop.

It's too early, in my mind, to give up on, or cast serious doubt on, our young players at this point.  The freshmen will need to gain experience, and at this point, they'll probably be inconsistent.  It was the first I really got to see Auston Evans play some minutes, and although the game was a blowout by then, he did show that he has some potential to score on drives to the hoop.

It certainly was difficult to watch us be dismantled so badly on Wednesday night.  Although I was not optimistic about our chances to win, I was not expecting anything near that bad.  There's a lot for the team to work on, and hopefully, they'll be able to get things going in the right direction as the season progresses.
Kpard

The froshman class better develope because FOH has a lot of pieces to fit together. It is a little concerning that based on the score (I did not see the game) we did not compete.

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