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bethlehempard

Princeton

A look at this year's team and some talk of Lafayette:

https://paw.princeton.edu/article/2016-princeton-football-preview
killaBee

I'd like to see the Leopards jump out early and continue the entire game to beat the tigers.  

If the leopards have been losing to the Tigers, then that just tells me, The Leopards are due for a win!!!

Down goes the Tigers Sept. 17....
bethlehempard

A little more on Princeton:

http://www.nj.com/times-sports/in...gers_look_to_claw_way_back_t.html

They aren't among "others receiving votes" but they are always good and last year was an annihilation.
Lafayette should compete and can win this game but this is hardly the time to start crowing.

http://www.centraljersey.com/spor...-6b05-11e6-90d6-97c9f749806a.html

The Ivy way: Princeton will have had just 22 practices before game one. Lafayette has had two games, led or tied most of the eight quarters, had two intrasquad scrimmages and lots of practice.
The team is ready.
Andy

Most of the Ivies scrimmage each other. Looks like P might have scrimmaged Moravian. (wha?).  Found it funny that Yale-Brown closed their scrimmage.  Super secret stuff going on, wouldn't want Gate scouts to give them an edge. Jeez..  Yale has the Syracuse film. More evidence of how important winning is to the Ivies. If only our AD and admin would take notice...
SixtyEighter

Leopards are 8+ point under dog playing in a place where they haven't won since 1982.They are within striking distance but haven't been able to win "winnable" games like this one.I am eternally hopeful but skeptical about our chances .The are every bit the nemesis that Colgate is in our league.Even when we are better we usually find a way to lose to this team.
Andy

How about 18.5

http://www.sportbet.com/lines/football_college_extra
bethlehempard

I was at the 1982 game which was also noteworthy for the incredibly stupid halftime show. Some kind of "clever" parody of the Striptease.
Spinal Tap: there's a fine line between being clever, and being stupid.
In this case the line was about a mile wide.
Ivy bands: over-rated and pretentious.
This show was embarrassing.
SixtyEighter

Re: Point spread I used Sagarin. Princeton 41.33 + 2.61 for home advantage. Lafayette 35.78. Differential exactly 8.15.Las Vegas is probably more accurate in view of our offense .
Andy

SixtyEighter wrote:
Re: Point spread I used Sagarin. Princeton 41.33 + 2.61 for home advantage. Lafayette 35.78. Differential exactly 8.15.Las Vegas is probably more accurate in view of our offense .


I like yours better, 68.Smile

Then there was the home game a few years back where P band played over our alma mater and laughed about it on the walk out. Brilliant.
seenalot

More than ANY school we have played or will play I detest Princeton.  Their attitude, lack humility in any form, and smugness is what makes me just cringe.  Kicking them up one side and down the other, however unlikely, would make for a great Saturday.
Lafalum

Andy wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
Re: Point spread I used Sagarin. Princeton 41.33 + 2.61 for home advantage. Lafayette 35.78. Differential exactly 8.15.Las Vegas is probably more accurate in view of our offense .


I like yours better, 68.Smile

Then there was the home game a few years back where P band played over our alma mater and laughed about it on the walk out. Brilliant.


I think that was the Penn band. My wife complained to the Penn band director at their bus afterward, and a counterclaim was made to our President claiming she was making "them feel uncomfortable."
ed65

bethlehempard wrote:
I was at the 1982 game which was also noteworthy for the incredibly stupid halftime show. Some kind of "clever" parody of the Striptease.
Spinal Tap: there's a fine line between being clever, and being stupid.
In this case the line was about a mile wide.
Ivy bands: over-rated and pretentious.
This show was embarrassing.


Bethpard: I attended the '82 Game as well along with a big group of friends from NYC.  We had a super tailgate both before and after the game.  I have no memory of the half time show.

What I remember best is our halfback and the O-Line absolutely putting it to the paper tigers.  I think he had 200+ yards.  PU threw the ball all over the place when they got behind but we triumphed in the end.  It was  a fabulous day for Lafayette.
ed65

Lafalum wrote:
Andy wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
Re: Point spread I used Sagarin. Princeton 41.33 + 2.61 for home advantage. Lafayette 35.78. Differential exactly 8.15.Las Vegas is probably more accurate in view of our offense .


I like yours better, 68.Smile

Then there was the home game a few years back where P band played over our alma mater and laughed about it on the walk out. Brilliant.


I think that was the Penn band. My wife complained to the Penn band director at their bus afterward, and a counterclaim was made to our President claiming she was making "them feel uncomfortable."


I'll bet the Penn Band Director is into "trigger warnings" and other such nonsense that pervades on liberal college campuses today.
bethlehempard

Another oddity I remember from that game ( 34 years) was how the Princeton fans moved from the shade to the sun as the game progressed. Dammit tough it out!
The Borough of Princeton is a great place to spend an afternoon. Triumph beer is alright, Princeton Pi is adequate for fast stuff and Conte's pizza is good but not really in town.
The Nassau Inn is the place to stay though some of it is not at all historic. There is a boutique hotel near Morven and the Westin about six miles north on 1 is decent.
The Days Inn about eight miles north is adequate and clean. Not exactly a date hotel unless you're paying the date. There is nothing nearby except for a trailer park.
The Princeton Art Museum is free and it's a gem. There is Van Gogh's Stagecoach, some wonderful Monets and various early American artists, Stuart and others. Worth a stop.
pardfan

That loss in 2010 was very, very, very hard to take    36-33 at their place     We had that game.
Mark Layton dropped one right in his midsection (maybe a 15 yard pass into the endzone...Byerly could have caught it)  to give them one last chance to beat us.  He catches it, we win.  
(Lehigh had just beaten them the previous weekend.  A PU team captain was injured in that game and out for the season. New coach. If ever, THAT game was winnable.)
flyfisher

Andy wrote:
Most of the Ivies scrimmage each other. Looks like P might have scrimmaged Moravian. (wha?).  Found it funny that Yale-Brown closed their scrimmage.  Super secret stuff going on, wouldn't want Gate scouts to give them an edge. Jeez..  Yale has the Syracuse film. More evidence of how important winning is to the Ivies. If only our AD and admin would take notice...

Our AD and his boss and her boss.
killaBee

I thought the Delaware game was a win.  we fell apart in the fourth quarter, the bottom fell out.  If we play 4 quarters against Princeton, we should bring a win to this rivalry, which is long over due.

We WILL FINISH the game! We will beat the Tigers..... Sept. 17th...
BPard

flyfisher wrote:
Andy wrote:
Most of the Ivies scrimmage each other. Looks like P might have scrimmaged Moravian. (wha?).  Found it funny that Yale-Brown closed their scrimmage.  Super secret stuff going on, wouldn't want Gate scouts to give them an edge. Jeez..  Yale has the Syracuse film. More evidence of how important winning is to the Ivies. If only our AD and admin would take notice...

Our AD and his boss and her boss.

Some of think the College should have a structure similar to our peers. This would change the focus.

Student-athletes can change this if they want to. I guess they don't.
Lafalum

BPard wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Andy wrote:
Most of the Ivies scrimmage each other. Looks like P might have scrimmaged Moravian. (wha?).  Found it funny that Yale-Brown closed their scrimmage.  Super secret stuff going on, wouldn't want Gate scouts to give them an edge. Jeez..  Yale has the Syracuse film. More evidence of how important winning is to the Ivies. If only our AD and admin would take notice...

Our AD and his boss and her boss.

Some of think the College should have a structure similar to our peers. This would change the focus.

Student-athletes can change this if they want to. I guess they don't.


Its absurd to think that student athletes have any say in the org structure. Maybe a contingent of students whose career is over their senior year before graduation they could get a word in.
pardfan

2009-10    Beat G-town, close loss to Liberty then victories over the following:  Penn, Yale, Columbia, Harvard, Fordham, Bucknell, and Colgate.
Finished with close losses to HC and Leh.  

Point:  That all seems like a million years ago.
Franks Tanks

pardfan wrote:
That loss in 2010 was very, very, very hard to take    36-33 at their place     We had that game.
Mark Layton dropped one right in his midsection (maybe a 15 yard pass into the endzone...Byerly could have caught it)  to give them one last chance to beat us.  He catches it, we win.  
(Lehigh had just beaten them the previous weekend.  A PU team captain was injured in that game and out for the season. New coach. If ever, THAT game was winnable.)


Yes, that was rough.  Princeton finished 1-9 that year, we were of course the 1.

2007 was also a killer.  We lost 20-14 (I believe), and had a 70 plus yard TD run by Mo White called back due to a very questionable holding call.  

In 2013 we lead for a most of the 1st half thanks to a tremendous performance from Ross Scheurman.  He took a draw 70 yards to the house in one of the prettiest runs I've seen.
zenator

seenalot wrote:
More than ANY school we have played or will play I detest Princeton.  Their attitude, lack humility in any form, and smugness is what makes me just cringe.  Kicking them up one side and down the other, however unlikely, would make for a great Saturday.


Did not share your view. Wife and I will be attending game. Expect to have a good time, share a few drinks, hang with alums/ friends from both L and P etc.

Any college has its share of good people and its share of ass***** among its students and alumni.
BPard

Lafalum wrote:
Its absurd to think that student athletes have any say in the org structure. Maybe a contingent of students whose career is over their senior year before graduation they could get a word in.

Other student groups lobby and protest the administration for attention and resources to their cause. This has affected hiring and personnel decisions. Why is it absurd that student-athletes could do the same, especially with alumni support?
Pards Rule

ed65 wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
I was at the 1982 game which was also noteworthy for the incredibly stupid halftime show. Some kind of "clever" parody of the Striptease.
Spinal Tap: there's a fine line between being clever, and being stupid.
In this case the line was about a mile wide.
Ivy bands: over-rated and pretentious.
This show was embarrassing.


Bethpard: I attended the '82 Game as well along with a big group of friends from NYC.  We had a super tailgate both before and after the game.  I have no memory of the half time show.

What I remember best is our halfback and the O-Line absolutely putting it to the paper tigers.  I think he had 200+ yards.  PU threw the ball all over the place when they got behind but we triumphed in the end.  It was  a fabulous day for Lafayette.


Yep, my classmate, Nick Kowgios ('84) had a then record 269 yards in that game, broken by one Ross Scheuerman with 304 in #150. I didnt see it (to this day have never see in person a win over the Tigers) as I was in Washington for the Washington Semester program but eagerly read the NY Times account of the game as well as the Star-Ledger. I did see two games in person that year, the away game at Bucknell (my parents, Bucknell 1961 both and I went up to see my brother a frosh that year in Lewisburg) and of course the Lehigh game at home where we won and Ryan Priest had a punt return for TD in that Lehigh game I recall.
Pards Rule

That 1982 Bucknell game was a 37-6 win I recall and Frank Novak showed he had a leg to go with the arm as he did a quick kick on 3rd down in shotgun, totally surprising everyone in the stands. Coach Russo also called a shovel pass (X-15 I think it was called) which also flustered the Bison. We never seem to call interesting stuff like that anymore.
Pards Rule

Franks Tanks wrote:
pardfan wrote:
That loss in 2010 was very, very, very hard to take    36-33 at their place     We had that game.
Mark Layton dropped one right in his midsection (maybe a 15 yard pass into the endzone...Byerly could have caught it)  to give them one last chance to beat us.  He catches it, we win.  
(Lehigh had just beaten them the previous weekend.  A PU team captain was injured in that game and out for the season. New coach. If ever, THAT game was winnable.)


Yes, that was rough.  Princeton finished 1-9 that year, we were of course the 1.

2007 was also a killer.  We lost 20-14 (I believe), and had a 70 plus yard TD run by Mo White called back due to a very questionable holding call.  

In 2013 we lead for a most of the 1st half thanks to a tremendous performance from Ross Scheurman.  He took a draw 70 yards to the house in one of the prettiest runs I've seen.


Yep I was there and that was so awesome. We were leading at half, but right before half a star receiver that day was hurt, Justin Adams. They then could double up on Mark Ross and we got shut down. Who were the QBs in that game? I think there were a few?
Franks Tanks

Pards Rule wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
pardfan wrote:
That loss in 2010 was very, very, very hard to take    36-33 at their place     We had that game.
Mark Layton dropped one right in his midsection (maybe a 15 yard pass into the endzone...Byerly could have caught it)  to give them one last chance to beat us.  He catches it, we win.  
(Lehigh had just beaten them the previous weekend.  A PU team captain was injured in that game and out for the season. New coach. If ever, THAT game was winnable.)


Yes, that was rough.  Princeton finished 1-9 that year, we were of course the 1.

2007 was also a killer.  We lost 20-14 (I believe), and had a 70 plus yard TD run by Mo White called back due to a very questionable holding call.  

In 2013 we lead for a most of the 1st half thanks to a tremendous performance from Ross Scheurman.  He took a draw 70 yards to the house in one of the prettiest runs I've seen.


Yep I was there and that was so awesome. We were leading at half, but right before half a star receiver that day was hurt, Justin Adams. They then could double up on Mark Ross and we got shut down. Who were the QBs in that game? I think there were a few?


It was pre Drew Reed.  I believe the young man who ended up transferring  started that one.. was it Dzurik? (or something similar)
flyfisher

BPard wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Its absurd to think that student athletes have any say in the org structure. Maybe a contingent of students whose career is over their senior year before graduation they could get a word in.

Other student groups lobby and protest the administration for attention and resources to their cause. This has affected hiring and personnel decisions. Why is it absurd that student-athletes could do the same, especially with alumni support?


Maybe it CAN happen but right now I can tell you that football players have no input or influence. LC is pretty easy to read when following their communication, verbal and print, as well as direction. Change will come from other outlets.
Pards Rule

Franks Tanks wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
pardfan wrote:
That loss in 2010 was very, very, very hard to take    36-33 at their place     We had that game.
Mark Layton dropped one right in his midsection (maybe a 15 yard pass into the endzone...Byerly could have caught it)  to give them one last chance to beat us.  He catches it, we win.  
(Lehigh had just beaten them the previous weekend.  A PU team captain was injured in that game and out for the season. New coach. If ever, THAT game was winnable.)


Yes, that was rough.  Princeton finished 1-9 that year, we were of course the 1.

2007 was also a killer.  We lost 20-14 (I believe), and had a 70 plus yard TD run by Mo White called back due to a very questionable holding call.  

In 2013 we lead for a most of the 1st half thanks to a tremendous performance from Ross Scheurman.  He took a draw 70 yards to the house in one of the prettiest runs I've seen.


Yep I was there and that was so awesome. We were leading at half, but right before half a star receiver that day was hurt, Justin Adams. They then could double up on Mark Ross and we got shut down. Who were the QBs in that game? I think there were a few?


It was pre Drew Reed.  I believe the young man who ended up transferring  started that one.. was it Dzurik? (or something similar)


YES! That was it..couldnt think of the dudes name! And I think the other dude was put in there too - began with an O? Reed didnt play until Frank put him in the second half of the Harvard game. I was playing golf that day as we were in Cambridge MA and my nephew was texting the scores to me. It was a disaster and halftime and looked respectable at the end considering. He said "Omg Pards now have a freshman QB"
Pards Rule

flyfisher wrote:
BPard wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Its absurd to think that student athletes have any say in the org structure. Maybe a contingent of students whose career is over their senior year before graduation they could get a word in.

Other student groups lobby and protest the administration for attention and resources to their cause. This has affected hiring and personnel decisions. Why is it absurd that student-athletes could do the same, especially with alumni support?


Maybe it CAN happen but right now I can tell you that football players have no input or influence. LC is pretty easy to read when following their communication, verbal and print, as well as direction. Change will come from other outlets.


Maybe some valued and good input can come from run of the mill alumni like this old goat! I cant drop million dollar donations to Markle but I am certainly a vested alum that can contribute on a few fronts. If you cant drop the cash, you can kiss my a$$ seems to be the prolific standard all over.
flyfisher

Pards Rule wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
BPard wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Its absurd to think that student athletes have any say in the org structure. Maybe a contingent of students whose career is over their senior year before graduation they could get a word in.

Other student groups lobby and protest the administration for attention and resources to their cause. This has affected hiring and personnel decisions. Why is it absurd that student-athletes could do the same, especially with alumni support?


Maybe it CAN happen but right now I can tell you that football players have no input or influence. LC is pretty easy to read when following their communication, verbal and print, as well as direction. Change will come from other outlets.




Maybe some valued and good input can come from run of the mill alumni like this old goat! I cant drop million dollar donations to Markle but I am certainly a vested alum that can contribute on a few fronts. If you cant drop the cash, you can kiss my a$$ seems to be the prolific standard all over.


I believe you are correct. Money brings influence. Sad but reality. Good luck. Meanwhile, we are only 2 games into the season. lets enjoy it. tomorrow is promised to no one.
SIDELINER

STORIES FROM LOCAL MEDIA AFTER WEEKLY LUNCHEON:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...ebred_foo.html#incart_river_index

WWW.ramblingsfromthebench.blogspot.com

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...luncheon-0913-20160913-story.html
killaBee

2 days to go, until the Leopards face the Tigers...

It would be great to come out with a win on the road..  It would be super fantastic to Man Handle the tigers for 4 quarters.  It would be espi ala docious to win 83 to 0.

Princeton is 1 - 8 in the last 9 season openers..


However, I heard a wise man say.. Just win by 1 point, and at the very least, I believe the Leopards will do just that against the Tigers...

Sept 17th..

Down goes the Tigers....!!!!
BPard

flyfisher wrote:
Maybe it CAN happen but right now I can tell you that football players have no input or influence. LC is pretty easy to read when following their communication, verbal and print, as well as direction. Change will come from other outlets.
Lafayette's current leadership (President + Board) has a track record of listening to students - if only as cover or justification for actions for the cynics out there.

If student-athletes aren't making the case for the management attention they require, then they won't get it, especially so long as athletics is in a Division like Campus Life where other student organizations ARE vocal and DO actively lobby the Cabinet directly.

Agree to disagree.
Andy

Seems to this outsider that everyone form the AD on down is interested in kissing the asses of the folks in charge. Keep the checks coming. Don't rock the boat.  I don't see anyone bucking the system. An athlete judged to be "causing trouble" would probably be suspended.
Andy

killaBee wrote:
2 days to go, until the Leopards face the Tigers...

It would be great to come out with a win on the road..  It would be super fantastic to Man Handle the tigers for 4 quarters.  It would be espi ala docious to win 83 to 0.

Princeton is 1 - 8 in the last 9 season openers..


However, I heard a wise man say.. Just win by 1 point, and at the very least, I believe the Leopards will do just that against the Tigers...

Sept 17th..

Down goes the Tigers....!!!!


Another opportunity to make a statement.  GO PARDS!
1990honda

I wish I could be there to witness this game. I believe it will set the tone for the rest of the season. Enjoyed being at the the last two games. By the time we got home Sunday night, the board had been on fire and cooled down. I feel we have a great opportunity to beat Princeton.
edge29

If our offense performs like the last 2 games, Princeton will put up 40+ on us again. I'm not being negative. That's just the reality of the situation.  We certainly have the talent to win this game.  We just don't have the offense.  I hope for our athlete's sake that Fein has reinvented his running scheme to allow them to succeed.  Let's hope.
Pardsfriend

Ross Scheuerman

https://twitter.com/ethanready/status/776456298896297984 Looks like Ross has earned play time up in Canada
ed65

Pards Rule wrote:
ed65 wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
I was at the 1982 game which was also noteworthy for the incredibly stupid halftime show. Some kind of "clever" parody of the Striptease.
Spinal Tap: there's a fine line between being clever, and being stupid.
In this case the line was about a mile wide.
Ivy bands: over-rated and pretentious.
This show was embarrassing.


Bethpard: I attended the '82 Game as well along with a big group of friends from NYC.  We had a super tailgate both before and after the game.  I have no memory of the half time show.

What I remember best is our halfback and the O-Line absolutely putting it to the paper tigers.  I think he had 200+ yards.  PU threw the ball all over the place when they got behind but we triumphed in the end.  It was  a fabulous day for Lafayette.


Yep, my classmate, Nick Kowgios ('84) had a then record 269 yards in that game, broken by one Ross Scheuerman with 304 in #150. I didnt see it (to this day have never see in person a win over the Tigers) as I was in Washington for the Washington Semester program but eagerly read the NY Times account of the game as well as the Star-Ledger. I did see two games in person that year, the away game at Bucknell (my parents, Bucknell 1961 both and I went up to see my brother a frosh that year in Lewisburg) and of course the Lehigh game at home where we won and Ryan Priest had a punt return for TD in that Lehigh game I recall.



Yes, it was Nick Kowgios I just coundn't remember his name.  His High School coach is a H.S. Classmate of mine and a good friend.  We were cheering very loudly as Nick piled up the yardage, much to the chagrin of the Princeton fans sitting near us.
Pards Rule

ed65 wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
ed65 wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
I was at the 1982 game which was also noteworthy for the incredibly stupid halftime show. Some kind of "clever" parody of the Striptease.
Spinal Tap: there's a fine line between being clever, and being stupid.
In this case the line was about a mile wide.
Ivy bands: over-rated and pretentious.
This show was embarrassing.


Bethpard: I attended the '82 Game as well along with a big group of friends from NYC.  We had a super tailgate both before and after the game.  I have no memory of the half time show.

What I remember best is our halfback and the O-Line absolutely putting it to the paper tigers.  I think he had 200+ yards.  PU threw the ball all over the place when they got behind but we triumphed in the end.  It was  a fabulous day for Lafayette.


Yep, my classmate, Nick Kowgios ('84) had a then record 269 yards in that game, broken by one Ross Scheuerman with 304 in #150. I didnt see it (to this day have never see in person a win over the Tigers) as I was in Washington for the Washington Semester program but eagerly read the NY Times account of the game as well as the Star-Ledger. I did see two games in person that year, the away game at Bucknell (my parents, Bucknell 1961 both and I went up to see my brother a frosh that year in Lewisburg) and of course the Lehigh game at home where we won and Ryan Priest had a punt return for TD in that Lehigh game I recall.



Yes, it was Nick Kowgios I just coundn't remember his name.  His High School coach is a H.S. Classmate of mine and a good friend.  We were cheering very loudly as Nick piled up the yardage, much to the chagrin of the Princeton fans sitting near us.



Smile yes Class of 1984 had Kowgios and Shepko! And Frank Novak was 84. Alas I will not be in Princeton. So the streak will continue for me.
killaBee

Just 1 glorious day, until the Leopards beat down the Tigers..

I cant wait to hear the chants of "Defense, Defense"

See the deep ball and watch TD's for the Leopards tumbling over the goal line.

We are long over due..  It's football, it's football season..  Enjoy every game!
Bogus Megapardus

Anyone else going to be at the game?
Andy

Traveling. Could've used the 6pm start.  Will get it on the ipad ESPN3 somehow. May annoy the bride, but what the heck.

What an opportunity - PRINCETON!   18 1/2, BS. SHOW SOMEBODY!
flyfisher

BPard wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Maybe it CAN happen but right now I can tell you that football players have no input or influence. LC is pretty easy to read when following their communication, verbal and print, as well as direction. Change will come from other outlets.
Lafayette's current leadership (President + Board) has a track record of listening to students - if only as cover or justification for actions for the cynics out there.

If student-athletes aren't making the case for the management attention they require, then they won't get it, especially so long as athletics is in a Division like Campus Life where other student organizations ARE vocal and DO actively lobby the Cabinet directly.

Agree to disagree.


I have been there. Big alumni have been there. Athletes have been there, coaches have been there. There are no more cases to make. Things are not changing with that group. Hoping for leadership change in the years to come. Plenty of people have repeatedly made their case. Andy's comment is correct. Just keep the checks coming. I feel bad for the older alumni. The LC they knew is gone.
Pards Rule

Andy wrote:
Traveling. Could've used the 6pm start.  Will get it on the ipad ESPN3 somehow. May annoy the bride, but what the heck.

What an opportunity - PRINCETON!   18 1/2, BS. SHOW SOMEBODY!


hey I recall that 2011 game vs Penn when we were what 21 point dogs! Blew them the hell OUT! KillaBee take that to the sidelines! I was at an 50th anniversary dinner with my parents at Seaview in Galloway NJ but my new NDSU friend was txt me updates during dinner.
ed65

flyfisher wrote:
BPard wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Maybe it CAN happen but right now I can tell you that football players have no input or influence. LC is pretty easy to read when following their communication, verbal and print, as well as direction. Change will come from other outlets.
Lafayette's current leadership (President + Board) has a track record of listening to students - if only as cover or justification for actions for the cynics out there.

If student-athletes aren't making the case for the management attention they require, then they won't get it, especially so long as athletics is in a Division like Campus Life where other student organizations ARE vocal and DO actively lobby the Cabinet directly.

Agree to disagree.




I have been there. Big alumni have been there. Athletes have been there, coaches have been there. There are no more cases to make. Things are not changing with that group. Hoping for leadership change in the years to come. Plenty of people have repeatedly made their case. Andy's comment is correct. Just keep the checks coming. I feel bad for the older alumni. The LC they knew is gone.


While I don't disagree with Fly's overall comments, I don't think he should feel badly for us older alums.  The quality of the students and student athletes is a real positive about the school. LC attracts good kids.  I really enjoy my interactions with them, albeit through internships and meeting the children of parents when I attend games.  I am a strong supporter of Byerly as she pushed through increasing the size of the school which is critical IMHO.  She distanced herself from the anti-Greek screed of the woeful Dan and she clearly benefited from the 150th Game beat down of LU and the PL Basketball Championship and NCAA Game.  She needs to understand the importance of winning and winning more championships in the PL AND she needs to have the AD report to her not through the invisible person who is in the job now.  If it were me, I would have resigned when that was announced.  All that said, Byerly is a big improvement from her two predecessors and she will listen to criticism and suggestions.  It is not easy to be a college president in these days of political correctness, trigger warnings and safe spaces which pervade so many campuses today.
Pards Rule

ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
BPard wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Maybe it CAN happen but right now I can tell you that football players have no input or influence. LC is pretty easy to read when following their communication, verbal and print, as well as direction. Change will come from other outlets.
Lafayette's current leadership (President + Board) has a track record of listening to students - if only as cover or justification for actions for the cynics out there.

If student-athletes aren't making the case for the management attention they require, then they won't get it, especially so long as athletics is in a Division like Campus Life where other student organizations ARE vocal and DO actively lobby the Cabinet directly.

Agree to disagree.






I have been there. Big alumni have been there. Athletes have been there, coaches have been there. There are no more cases to make. Things are not changing with that group. Hoping for leadership change in the years to come. Plenty of people have repeatedly made their case. Andy's comment is correct. Just keep the checks coming. I feel bad for the older alumni. The LC they knew is gone.


While I don't disagree with Fly's overall comments, I don't think he should feel badly for us older alums.  The quality of the students and student athletes is a real positive about the school. LC attracts good kids.  I really enjoy my interactions with them, albeit through internships and meeting the children of parents when I attend games.  I am a strong supporter of Byerly as she pushed through increasing the size of the school which is critical IMHO.  She distanced herself from the anti-Greek screed of the woeful Dan and she clearly benefited from the 150th Game beat down of LU and the PL Basketball Championship and NCAA Game.  She needs to understand the importance of winning and winning more championships in the PL AND she needs to have the AD report to her not through the invisible person who is in the job now.  If it were me, I would have resigned when that was announced.  All that said, Byerly is a big improvement from her two predecessors and she will listen to criticism and suggestions.  It is not easy to be a college president in these days of political correctness, trigger warnings and safe spaces which pervade so many campuses today.


Agree! I have spoken to the President on a few occasions and even went to the inauguration. She and her husband Steve are highly cognizant of what the athletics mean to LC. I mean would you have seen Dan Weiss at an away game at Penn like I saw her?
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Stream to tonights game?
flyfisher

ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
BPard wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Maybe it CAN happen but right now I can tell you that football players have no input or influence. LC is pretty easy to read when following their communication, verbal and print, as well as direction. Change will come from other outlets.
Lafayette's current leadership (President + Board) has a track record of listening to students - if only as cover or justification for actions for the cynics out there.

If student-athletes aren't making the case for the management attention they require, then they won't get it, especially so long as athletics is in a Division like Campus Life where other student organizations ARE vocal and DO actively lobby the Cabinet directly.

Agree to disagree.




I have been there. Big alumni have been there. Athletes have been there, coaches have been there. There are no more cases to make. Things are not changing with that group. Hoping for leadership change in the years to come. Plenty of people have repeatedly made their case. Andy's comment is correct. Just keep the checks coming. I feel bad for the older alumni. The LC they knew is gone.


While I don't disagree with Fly's overall comments, I don't think he should feel badly for us older alums.  The quality of the students and student athletes is a real positive about the school. LC attracts good kids.  I really enjoy my interactions with them, albeit through internships and meeting the children of parents when I attend games.  I am a strong supporter of Byerly as she pushed through increasing the size of the school which is critical IMHO.  She distanced herself from the anti-Greek screed of the woeful Dan and she clearly benefited from the 150th Game beat down of LU and the PL Basketball Championship and NCAA Game.  She needs to understand the importance of winning and winning more championships in the PL AND she needs to have the AD report to her not through the invisible person who is in the job now.  If it were me, I would have resigned when that was announced.  All that said, Byerly is a big improvement from her two predecessors and she will listen to criticism and suggestions.  It is not easy to be a college president in these days of political correctness, trigger warnings and safe spaces which pervade so many campuses today.


Definitely agree with her decision to grow the College. Don't think she really has a choice there. Tough to offer and support everything LC has on income from 2400 kids and endowments. She is definitely better than Weiss, but who isn't? We simply don't fund athletics like other schools. It's great we offer 23 programs being such a small college. That's great. But wouldn't it be nice if more of those teams were competitive? S just fielding a team enough?  Not sure of her stance on frats but going by the actions of her person in charge of that I can get an idea. Reality today on frats is they are losing influence and a position on college campuses. While still strong in the South, They are not the politically correct thing to have. If frats want to survive and prosper their whole mission must change, and that goes for almost all colleges. But that is a subject for another day. If you are happy with the current students that are on campus that is your call. Very diverse group, lots of other countries represented, and intelligent. That's about all I can say there.

Game time. Not out of the question we could win today. Need the same defense we saw last week. Football time.
ed65

Agree with fly on all points.  As I said, no need to feel sorry for us older alums.  A lot of us love the place.  Unfortunately, there is a hard core group of trustees, admins and faculty  who worship the small PA liberal arts reputation which IMHO is passe today.  There are too many others schools  in that category.  Why LC is only 36th on the US News ranking remains a mystery to me with the excellent engineering and STEM departments.  So many of the schools ahead of us have no engineering or serious science programs.  And other than PL & Ivies, almost none play D-1 Sports.

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