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Kpard

Raiderettes

Women in a fight with the paste. Tied with 4 to go. @ 32?
Bogus Megapardus

Pards - just 2 FGs in the second half?
The Maroon

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Pards - just 2 FGs in the second half?


2 for 24 in the second half and 25 turnovers.

The AU game is all I have left to reach my super-ambitious goal of FIVE league wins!!!

There are games that even as a Leopard fan I EXPECT to win. There aren't many - but I just can't accept losing to Colgate  in women's hoops at home.  The Raiders victory tonight puts them at 2-13 on the road for the season!

O'Hare nets a positive and will do great things in Easton - but to many of her shots are dead from the start. Shoulders aren't square, no follow through....

2 for 24...WOW!!!!

This team is maddeningly inconsistent - as has been pointed out by wiser men then myself. I wouldn't be surprised to see us beat AU - but if we've won our last game I'd grade this season a C-.
Xboreturns

Not only did we have 25 turnovers, Colgate had 13 steals which really makes it 38 turnovers. 8% shooting in the second half, 19% for the game, 2 of 14 on 3s, we score just 8 points in the paint.
carney2

A VERY disappointing season is drawing to a close.

Last Year:  8-22, 2-12 in the Patriot League, Last Place

This year:  11-17, 4-9, one game out of last at the moment.

Assuming, as someone said, that we've seen our last win of the year, we will have improved by 3 wins overall and by 2 in the League.  Technically, it's progress I guess.

Last night was an instant replay of the last 5 or 6 years - an entire team that cannot shoot the basketball.  I don't understand how we can go year after year without recruiting shooters.  Colgate was every bit as bad, but that is their problem.

I agree that O'Hare has a bright future, but she did it again last night.  After not starting, she came in the game and immediately went ball hog one on five with the entire Colgate team.  Did not look for anyone in a white uniform.  Freshman mistakes are understandable, but this is the end of the season, and there's a word for doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

The biggest disappointment with the program is that we are nearing the end of our Fiacco/Homan inside advantage.  They have received little, if any help, and that's on the head coach.  When you look over the list of incoming recruits, ask yourself, "are they shooters?"  If the answer is no or maybe, then expect more of this in years to come.
Xboreturns

carney2 wrote:
A VERY disappointing season is drawing to a close.


The biggest disappointment with the program is that we are nearing the end of our Fiacco/Homan inside advantage.  They have received little, if any help, and that's on the head coach.  When you look over the list of incoming recruits, ask yourself, "are they shooters?"  If the answer is no or maybe, then expect more of this in years to come.


You don't need to be 6'7" to be a good interior player. Look at Navy's Geif, what is she 6'2", and she's a beast under the boards. We have a 6'3" recruit signed, no info on her she's from jolly ole England, and we still have Emily for 2 more years.
carney2

Xboreturns wrote:
carney2 wrote:
A VERY disappointing season is drawing to a close.


The biggest disappointment with the program is that we are nearing the end of our Fiacco/Homan inside advantage.  They have received little, if any help, and that's on the head coach.  When you look over the list of incoming recruits, ask yourself, "are they shooters?"  If the answer is no or maybe, then expect more of this in years to come.


You don't need to be 6'7" to be a good interior player. Look at Navy's Geif, what is she 6'2", and she's a beast under the boards. We have a 6'3" recruit signed, no info on her she's from jolly ole England, and we still have Emily for 2 more years.


Can she put the ball in the basket?
Xboreturns

carney2 wrote:
Xboreturns wrote:
carney2 wrote:
A VERY disappointing season is drawing to a close.


The biggest disappointment with the program is that we are nearing the end of our Fiacco/Homan inside advantage.  They have received little, if any help, and that's on the head coach.  When you look over the list of incoming recruits, ask yourself, "are they shooters?"  If the answer is no or maybe, then expect more of this in years to come.


You don't need to be 6'7" to be a good interior player. Look at Navy's Geif, what is she 6'2", and she's a beast under the boards. We have a 6'3" recruit signed, no info on her she's from jolly ole England, and we still have Emily for 2 more years.


Well, she had 19 of Navy's 60 points in their last win over us.

Can she put the ball in the basket?
Franks Tanks

Fran tends to recruit guys who can shoot, but may be a bit limited on D and on the glass.  I tend to be critical of this, but games like this make me feel stupid.

The Lady Pards have size, but can't shoot the ball to save their lives.  Maybe taking excellent shooters who are less athletic isn't a bad strategy afterall.
carney2

Xboreturns wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Xboreturns wrote:
carney2 wrote:
A VERY disappointing season is drawing to a close.


The biggest disappointment with the program is that we are nearing the end of our Fiacco/Homan inside advantage.  They have received little, if any help, and that's on the head coach.  When you look over the list of incoming recruits, ask yourself, "are they shooters?"  If the answer is no or maybe, then expect more of this in years to come.


You don't need to be 6'7" to be a good interior player. Look at Navy's Geif, what is she 6'2", and she's a beast under the boards. We have a 6'3" recruit signed, no info on her she's from jolly ole England, and we still have Emily for 2 more years.


Well, she had 19 of Navy's 60 points in their last win over us.

Can she put the ball in the basket?


What we have here is a failure to communicate.  Let me rephrase:

Can the Brit shoot?
The Maroon

12 games with under 50 points isn't going to get it done. To be fair - half of them were to the studs on the schedule but 37 points is a lame high school game.
The rotations continue to baffle me. Sometimes they work I guess.

Very hard to tell where the program is going. We aren't losing much in the way of stats - but unless Carney's friend from the UK can shoot I don't see how high we can fly next season.

IMHO - our first year of scholarships was our best overall - with Wright, Virgin and Jackson.

Losing to 'Gate at home? Didn't see it coming.
Marooner

Xboreturns wrote:
Not only did we have 25 turnovers, Colgate had 13 steals which really makes it 38 turnovers. 8% shooting in the second half, 19% for the game, 2 of 14 on 3s, we score just 8 points in the paint.

Nope. Steals are already counted in the turnover total.
carney2

Marooner wrote:
Xboreturns wrote:
Not only did we have 25 turnovers, Colgate had 13 steals which really makes it 38 turnovers. 8% shooting in the second half, 19% for the game, 2 of 14 on 3s, we score just 8 points in the paint.

Nope. Steals are already counted in the turnover total.


Colgate is very quick.  Most of those steals came from filling the passing lanes after the pass was thrown.  I thought - even after the final score was posted - that they are a decidedly worse shooting team than the Pards.  Inability to put the ball in the basket is a bigger liability for them than it is for us.  That is to say that they are not without some talent despite their last place standing.
knowitall2b

Maroon,
Oh really on the best recruiting class of Wright, Jackson, Virgin...  and who brought them in?  The coach responsible for that was only given three years with that group.  This program was left in a lot better shape then it was when T.S took over.  
Like it or not, this program is going nowhere.  
Great job by Fran and his guys..
The Maroon

knowitall2b wrote:
Maroon,
Oh really on the best recruiting class of Wright, Jackson, Virgin...  and who brought them in?  The coach responsible for that was only given three years with that group.  This program was left in a lot better shape then it was when T.S took over.  
Like it or not, this program is going nowhere.  
Great job by Fran and his guys..

I can walk and chew gum with the concept that Tammy brought in a good class AND was a horrible coach.
The Maroon

knowitall2b wrote:
Maroon,
Oh really on the best recruiting class of Wright, Jackson, Virgin...  and who brought them in?  The coach responsible for that was only given three years with that group.  This program was left in a lot better shape then it was when T.S took over.  
Like it or not, this program is going nowhere.  
Great job by Fran and his guys..


But please keep it up - Your attempt to convince me that we should have kept Tammy is amusing.
7-70 over her first three seasons (Pat Fisher won 21 in her last three seasons and we thought that was bad at the time).

This included a 1-27 third year the lone win was against the FIRST PLACE TEAM in the league. You're telling me she couldn't have squeezed five wins out of that bunch?

One season where she came CLOSE to .500 followed by a drop with plenty of talent back from the team.

6-23 in her 9th season, starting a non-scholarship walk-on (so much for the argument that it was all about schollies).

Yes...Bring her back.
Refrider

We should find out how Trist did his big improvement from last season and have our tall ladies follow in his footsteps!
knowitall2b

Maroon, that's not what I'm saying.  She is probably better off where she is.  Why wan't she horrible at her other coaching positions.. basketball is basketball.  Lets consider something, prior to her start, the program wasn't .500 for 5 or so years.  The program was already beaten to the ground.  I believe during those 6 years without schollies, her record was similar to FOH's no?  
And by the way,  the majority of you had your doubts about FOH, his recruiting, his offense, his defense, and how it was time for him to go. BUT now you are all jumping on the BANDWAGON!!  
Basically I just love getting your goat!
Enjoy the playoffs.  Go Pards!
Andy

Tammy, you were 57-204.  These posts are very sad. Seek counseling, closure and peace.
The Maroon

knowitall2b wrote:
I believe during those 6 years without schollies, her record was similar to FOH's no?


Not even close. You can go through the media guides and do the math if you want - but Fran's worse season was 8 wins. Tammy averaged 6 wins - including her scholarship years.

If you are so inclined you can check the many discussions on this board about Tammy. Our collective expectations for Tammy's teams were always modest and rarely were they close to being met. In most cases the teams underachieved. The strongest case was the 08-09 team that floundered through the entire season and then wound up in the PL finals in the tournament. For that team to go 6-21 during the regular season was criminal.

We all saw her resume of 18 winning seasons before coming to Easton. Her players really seemed to like her. She represented the school with class. But the bottom line is she looked way over her head an overwhelming percentage of the time. She came in with a high pressure defense, up-tempo transition offense and three seasons and 7 wins later she figured out she didn't have the personnel to run it. So we went to the comical scene that dominated the last few years of starting our offensive sets about 90 feet from the basket, running the weave, waiting for the shot clock to get to 2 and heaving up a desperation shot.

Word is she left in a huff. I don't like to go on rumours but it does fit in with the fact that she didn't "resign" as Bruce I'm sure gave her the opportunity to do. I'm not sure how many years we were supposed to watch that.

It always amuses me when people come to discussion forums and call those who had doubts bandwagon fans when they are proven wrong. By your logic our threads should simply talk about how great the team is no matter what and then take it up a notch when they do well.

If we can please stop the nonsense that Tammy should still be storming the sidelines in Kirby we can talk about THIS season which I think has been, for the most part, very disappointing. Our returning players flatlined in terms of production and our ppg also did despite taking a hell of a lot more 3's.

O'Hare got the most minutes of anybody on the team so we watched every bit of the freshman learning curve play out in front of us. It's one thing if we didn't have alternatives but we did. I don't agree at all with how she was thrown into the fire on day one. Please don't get me wrong - this isn't about her. She's got a lot of upside - but coach Nolan made a risky move there that I don't know was the right one.

Loughney and Macklin - hot one night, gone the next. I haven't figured out the rotations yet.

Barring a trip to the finals - I'm sticking with my C- grade for the season.
Xboreturns

Tammy got the Muhlenberg job starting with the 94-95 season, her best year was the following season and the program gradually went downhill after that:
94-95  12-12
95-96  19-7
96-97  18-8
97-98  18-10
98-99  16-10
99-00  16-10
00-01  14-11

The program has rebounded under former Lafayette assistant coach Ron Rohn.

The decline during Tammy's tenure indicates either she couldn't recruit or couldn't coach.
knowitall2b

Andy.. Hahaha!  if you only knew.

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