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Pard4Life

Rutgers Football

That sad state of affairs known as Rutgers football took a bizarre twist as HC Kyle Flood was suspended for influencing the change of a players grade.

The clandestine meeting took place at Princeton Public Library.  I guess Rutgers still has an affinity for ol' Nassau.

And, former Columbia HC Norries Wilson will be coaching for three games.

And Rutgers used to be our peer?
carney2

Post eliminated.  Sorry, posted twice.
carney2

And this follows

the suspension of the team's top receiver after he body slammed a woman this past weekend,

and

the suspension and/or arrest of 6 current players and 3 former players for assault and God knows what else.  Ironically, one of the players suspended is the junior DB that Coach Flood attempted to "help" academically.

It makes even Colgate under Biddle look good.

Rutgers University, The State Sewer of New Jersey.
Gate63

Rolling Eyes

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/e...fayette_college_football_pla.html

http://articles.mcall.com/2006-04...and-marijuana-pills-easton-police

Three suspended Lafayette football players reportedly ...
www.lehighvalleylive.com/.../three_suspended_lafay...
The Express‑Times
Sep 8, 2011 - Three Lafayette football players who were suspended indefinitely from the team last week were found to be in possession of marijuana, ...
seenalot

And your point is.....?
Gate63

To rile up carney and remind you that Lafayette's house is not pristine. Probably best to not throw stones when your glass house has 85 18-22 year old males living in it.
flyfisher

Gate63 wrote:
To rile up carney and remind you that Lafayette's house is not pristine. Probably best to not throw stones when your glass house has 85 18-22 year old males living in it.


Let's take a closer look at these situations. The one kid is accused of taking down a green flag at an environmental display. Not an American flag, not a state flag, not a school flag, not a confederate flag or a gay rights rainbow flag. A green flag in an art display. He is charged with criminal mischief. I guess the campus policemen got their quota of parking tickets in and wanted to get a real arrest on their resume.

The charges against mr Drake are more serious. A FORMER football player charged with drug possession. Checking the rosters I do not see his name on the 2015 roster or the 2014 roster, and while I don't know every kid, I don't recall seeing this kid on the field.

The 3rd article you reference doesn't come up.
carney2

Gate63 wrote:
To rile up carney and remind you that Lafayette's house is not pristine. Probably best to not throw stones when your glass house has 85 18-22 year old males living in it.


AS OPPOSED TO DICKIE FREAKIN' BIDDLE WHO SUSPENDED HIS ALL-WORLD RUNNING BACK FOR ONE GAME AFTER THAT LOW LIFE WAS CAUGHT IN A FEMALE DORM ROOM RUMMAGING AROUND FOR LOOSE CASH AND WHATEVER ELSE HE COULD PILFER.  SAID LOW LIFE WAS BOOKED BY THE LOCAL CONSTABULARY AND SPENT A DAY OR TWO IN THE HAMILTON, NEW YORK SLAMMER.

I complain about Frank maybe swinging the disciplinary pendulum too far the other way, but Biddle was a joke and a disgrace to Colgate University.  The University, by the way, did not exactly cover itself in glory by allowing him to get away with it.

Consider this, Mr. 63 as one huge, well deserved rock aimed at you and the 'gaters.
Gate63

carney2 wrote:
Gate63 wrote:
To rile up carney and remind you that Lafayette's house is not pristine. Probably best to not throw stones when your glass house has 85 18-22 year old males living in it.


AS OPPOSED TO DICKIE FREAKIN' BIDDLE WHO SUSPENDED HIS ALL-WORLD RUNNING BACK FOR ONE GAME AFTER THAT LOW LIFE WAS CAUGHT IN A FEMALE DORM ROOM RUMMAGING AROUND FOR LOOSE CASH AND WHATEVER ELSE HE COULD PILFER.  SAID LOW LIFE WAS BOOKED BY THE LOCAL CONSTABULARY AND SPENT A DAY OR TWO IN THE HAMILTON, NEW YORK SLAMMER.

I complain about Frank maybe swinging the disciplinary pendulum too far the other way, but Biddle was a joke and a disgrace to Colgate University.  The University, by the way, did not exactly cover itself in glory by allowing him to get away with it.

Consider this, Mr. 63 as one huge, well deserved rock aimed at you and the 'gaters.


Lol please fill me in more on that situation since you know more about it than I do. Not like I was a senior on that team or anything.

Consider your hornets nest kicked. If you want to look at a real problem that the College should be embarassed about, I would start here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Tavani
Franks Tanks

flyfisher wrote:
Gate63 wrote:
To rile up carney and remind you that Lafayette's house is not pristine. Probably best to not throw stones when your glass house has 85 18-22 year old males living in it.


Let's take a closer look at these situations. The one kid is accused of taking down a green flag at an environmental display. Not an American flag, not a state flag, not a school flag, not a confederate flag or a gay rights rainbow flag. A green flag in an art display. He is charged with criminal mischief. I guess the campus policemen got their quota of parking tickets in and wanted to get a real arrest on their resume.


The charges against mr Drake are more serious. A FORMER football player charged with drug possession. Checking the rosters I do not see his name on the 2015 roster or the 2014 roster, and while I don't know every kid, I don't recall seeing this kid on the field.

The 3rd article you reference doesn't come up.


This young man last played for Lafayette in 04 or 03, and had quit football long before the incident in question.


Every school has kids in trouble with the law from time to time.  We are talking about the way the school reacts to the situation, rather than the situation itself.  Dick Biddle's response to the incident with his player was very unfortunate, and a black mark on the resume of a wonderful coach and individual.  That is all.
carney2

Gate63 wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Gate63 wrote:
To rile up carney and remind you that Lafayette's house is not pristine. Probably best to not throw stones when your glass house has 85 18-22 year old males living in it.


AS OPPOSED TO DICKIE FREAKIN' BIDDLE WHO SUSPENDED HIS ALL-WORLD RUNNING BACK FOR ONE GAME AFTER THAT LOW LIFE WAS CAUGHT IN A FEMALE DORM ROOM RUMMAGING AROUND FOR LOOSE CASH AND WHATEVER ELSE HE COULD PILFER.  SAID LOW LIFE WAS BOOKED BY THE LOCAL CONSTABULARY AND SPENT A DAY OR TWO IN THE HAMILTON, NEW YORK SLAMMER.

I complain about Frank maybe swinging the disciplinary pendulum too far the other way, but Biddle was a joke and a disgrace to Colgate University.  The University, by the way, did not exactly cover itself in glory by allowing him to get away with it.

Consider this, Mr. 63 as one huge, well deserved rock aimed at you and the 'gaters.


Lol please fill me in more on that situation since you know more about it than I do. Not like I was a senior on that team or anything.

Consider your hornets nest kicked. If you want to look at a real problem that the College should be embarassed about, I would start here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Tavani


I only get involved in pi$$ing matches without end with my fellow Lafayette alums, so consider our minor altercation at an end.  

As for your reference, consider us 100% in agreement.  How many D-1 football programs endure 5 consecutive losing seasons (and currently making a heroic effort to put a 6th on the books) AND guarantee the head coach a lifetime contract?  Let us agree on one more thing - that each of our football programs in it's own unique way, is a freakin' joke.
bison137

I often don't agree with Carney - but he is certainly right about the Jordan Scott suspension.   Bucknell and other schools have suspended players for a season - or simply thrown them off for good - for offenses no worse than Scott's.


The official charge against Scott btw was felony burglary.  Also had attempted to burglarize other students' rooms, by his own admission.   Did jail time for it.
Andy

Equating Biddle/Gate to Rutgers is nuts. Scott's 2 week incarceration was deemed adequate punishment plus a 1 game suspension IIRC. A comparable situation might be the case of our PL ROY a few years back who got caught stealing a laptop if memory serves. He chose to leave school afyer being suspended indefinitely. Unfortunately all programs get an occasional  bad apple.  Rutgers fiasco involves a series of home invasions and perhaps armed robbery.
SIDELINER

I don't read the E-T from cover-to-cover but I have to wonder if that story Gate63 linked to had to be pulled from the website because it wasn't true. Why else would it not come up?

Coach T said at the time of the suspensions that they were for violating the TEAM code of conduct and stressed that they were NOT in violation of the SCHOOL code. I'd think the marijuana thing would be a SCHOOL matter.

One of the other things was from a 2006 story in the paper and referred to a kid who was on the team in 2004.

What kind of witch hunt is this?
LC Local Fan

Sideliner that third article he mentions was from 2011.
2012Pard

Re. the 2011 article:  I'm assuming that's about the three players who got suspended for several games at the beginning of the 2011 season for marijuana use.  I can't claim to have any insight into the workings of the athletic department or the school administration, but I was a witness (of sorts) to the marijuana use and the players being caught/arrested/whatever by Public Safety.  From what I observed, I can say with a high degree of confidence that the suspensions were appropriate.  I can share greater detail via PM if anybody is curious.
adcs2

E-T

The Express-Times website has gone through various migrations and changes.  There was data loss during these efforts and as a result there was content lost from the history.  The year of 2011 seemed to have been impacted greatly.

Nothing nefarious here just a bad job by the E-T and lehighvalleylive.com.
bethlehempard

Last Lafayette coach to beat Rutgers: Neil Putnam.
There was a vocal anti-football movement at "The University of New Jersey" in the 1970s and 1980s.
The school had UNJ on their helmets one year?
Anyway, if Rutgers can get into the Big 10, anything is possible. Even in the old Big East they finished behind Temple until the Owls were told they were bring thrown out.
Sanity may rule and Flood might still be fired.
Andy

Sorry state of Rutgers football:

http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index...ges_link_rutgers_football_pl.html
RichH

bison137 wrote:
I often don't agree with Carney - but he is certainly right about the Jordan Scott suspension.   Bucknell and other schools have suspended players for a season - or simply thrown them off for good - for offenses no worse than Scott's.


The official charge against Scott btw was felony burglary.  Also had attempted to burglarize other students' rooms, by his own admission.   Did jail time for it.

Carney is our resident (and well respected) curmudgeon. He is absolutely correct. Biddle screwed up at least as much as Scoty did.
Andy

Absolutely no doubt rich and the Lehigh fans love carney. After all, he trashes their rival's program with every post. No one here was privy to the deliberations regarding Scott.  We don't know what went into the decision by the pres, BOT, and AD. Going out of one's way to mention Biddle in a thread about Rutgers armed robbers is wrong.  Scott BTW served 11 days in jail for criminal trespass, a misdemeanor. Comparing it to Rutgers? Come on...
bison137

Andy wrote:
 Scott BTW served 11 days in jail for criminal trespass, a misdemeanor.



But it actually was felony burglary, by law and by Scott's own admission.   After a series of negotiations, with Colgate personnel likely involved, the local officals agreed to let him plead guilty to a lesser charge - even though there was no question about the more serious charge.
Gate63

bison137 wrote:
Andy wrote:
 Scott BTW served 11 days in jail for criminal trespass, a misdemeanor.



But it actually was felony burglary, by law and by Scott's own admission.   After a series of negotiations, with Colgate personnel likely involved, the local officals agreed to let him plead guilty to a lesser charge - even though there was no question about the more serious charge.


Oh, so you mean he got treated like every other person in the criminal justice system? By all means, continue to post when you have no idea about the facts of the situation. Just making yourself look silly.  Confused
RichH

Well,the issue is not how he was charged or what he was convicted of,or how much jail time he served. To me,the issue is simply ,given what he did and attempted to do was a  one game suspension an appropriate reaction by Biddle? Would a scout team player have received the same? Would a regular student?
BTW, Andy.
Yup,I like carney. I also like you,Bogie,P4L.et al. Smile Agree a comparison to Rutgers is a over the top. It is fair to wonder tho. Doing so,comparing Scott's situation with similar events at Colgate and all PL schools does not seem unwarranted.
LeopardBall10

The fact that this thread has this many responses makes me laugh.
carney2

Andy wrote:
Absolutely no doubt rich and the Lehigh fans love carney. After all, he trashes their rival's program with every post.


No apologies.  Tired of crappy recruiting, crappy coaching, crappy football and perpetual losing.
Andy

No apologies necessary.  My continuing hope is that any S/As with an interest in our program stopping by this board don't get the mistaken impression that carney is involved with the program, interested in bettering the program,  or even knowledgeable about football.

Four championships in 11 years for the little college on the hill speaks for itself.
carney2

Andy wrote:
No apologies necessary.  My continuing hope is that any S/As with an interest in our program stopping by this board don't get the mistaken impression that carney is involved with the program, interested in bettering the program,  or even knowledgeable about football.

Four championships in 11 years for the little college on the hill speaks for itself.


We're not really that different:

You - Loyal and accepting what's offered.

Me - Loyal and expecting/demanding better.
BillS

carney2 wrote:
Andy wrote:
No apologies necessary.  My continuing hope is that any S/As with an interest in our program stopping by this board don't get the mistaken impression that carney is involved with the program, interested in bettering the program,  or even knowledgeable about football.

Four championships in 11 years for the little college on the hill speaks for itself.


We're not really that different:

You - Loyal and accepting what's offered.

Me - Loyal and expecting/demanding better.
Let's talk football please ugh  Confused
carney2

BillS wrote:
Let's talk football please ugh  Confused


Could not agree more.  But that's for the pregame thread where it appears that no one has anything more to say.  I still think that we defy the gods and get a W.
Franks Tanks

carney2 wrote:
BillS wrote:
Let's talk football please ugh  Confused


Could not agree more.  But that's for the pregame thread where it appears that no one has anything more to say.  I still think that we defy the gods and get a W.


Drew Reed at QB gives us a chance.

My crazy prediction.  We will need to at least double our TD total for the season to win this game!  Are two TD's in a single game possible?  We shall see.
bison137

Gate63 wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Andy wrote:
 Scott BTW served 11 days in jail for criminal trespass, a misdemeanor.



But it actually was felony burglary, by law and by Scott's own admission.   After a series of negotiations, with Colgate personnel likely involved, the local officals agreed to let him plead guilty to a lesser charge - even though there was no question about the more serious charge.


Oh, so you mean he got treated like every other person in the criminal justice system? By all means, continue to post when you have no idea about the facts of the situation. Just making yourself look silly.  Confused



Just wanted to clarify, for those who don't remember, is that the final charge is not the offense he actually committed.   Could also have been charged with a number of attempted burglary charges.

I know that at some other PL programs he would have got more than a one-game suspension.   That is easy to prove since lesser offenses have led to longer suspensions at some schools.  
Gate63

bison137 wrote:
Gate63 wrote:

Oh, so you mean he got treated like every other person in the criminal justice system? By all means, continue to post when you have no idea about the facts of the situation. Just making yourself look silly.  Confused



Just wanted to clarify, for those who don't remember, is that the final charge is not the offense he actually committed.   Could also have been charged with a number of attempted burglary charges.

I know that at some other PL programs he would have got more than a one-game suspension.   That is easy to prove since lesser offenses have led to longer suspensions at some schools.  


See above.
RichH

Gate '63
The point is not what the criminal system did or did not do or whether Scott was treated any differently than other defendants. The sole issue is how he was treated by Coach Biddle and Colgate. Those actions are ,to me,difficult to defend.
That said, it is Friday. Good luck to all PL squads vs the Ivies and Towson Smile
Go...'gate

bison137 wrote:
Andy wrote:
 Scott BTW served 11 days in jail for criminal trespass, a misdemeanor.



But it actually was felony burglary, by law and by Scott's own admission.   After a series of negotiations, with Colgate personnel likely involved, the local officials agreed to let him plead guilty to a lesser charge - even though there was no question about the more serious charge.


Scott agreed to a plea bargain and was given credit for time served.  In addition, as a first-time offender, the presumption is that he does not go to jail but instead has to stay out of trouble for 364 days, after which the offense is dismissed.  He received the result that any competent, responsible attorney would have obtained for him.

Should Scott have received greater punishment from the University?  IMO, yes.

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