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pards4ever

sacred heart

we need to start the season on a positive note by beating non conference teams...
Bogus Megapardus

It's going to be witchin' cold out there Saturday afternoon.

Sacred Heart is picked to finish sixth (out of seven) in the NEC pre-season poll.  The Pioneers made some significant coaching staff changes in the off-season.  They've added 17 new recruits and have a huge roster but they're light on upperclass leadership this year.  

The Pioneers were 6-7 last season with three single-point wins.  Their largest margin of victory was by four, a 21-17 victory over Vermont.  The Pioneers next-biggest win was over the Pards on March 17 (14-11).  The Pards' 11 point tally that day was their best offensive output of the season until the Bucknell game.

If Rogalski has this team headed in the right direction, Saturday's home opener should be a win.
seenalot

Game moved to Friday due to cold.  Not that Friday is going to be a whole lot better.  Enough areas of team are solid and/or improved so that I think odds of winning are decent.  Must get near (or over) the 50% mark on face-offs and minimize turnovers for that to become reality.   Curious to see if new FO guy is real deal.
Bogus Megapardus

Camera is too jittery to watch on PLN.  But where is Erik Cannon???  Pard Defense is Hickey and two freshman.
Bogus Megapardus

Down 5-2 early.  Same ol' same ol'?
pardfan

While this was only the first game, I had hoped and expected this team to do better this season--despite the difficulty of a Patriot League lacrosse schedule.  The losing this year in Lafayette sports as a whole is nothing short of epic.  
Some things are really hard to do:
1) score as few goals as the men's soccer team did this year (5 goals from Sep 6 to Nov 7.  No goals in the last 7 games--including 4 OT's.)
2) lose to Princeton by 30 or so in football (Kazmaier used to live across the street and ref'd some of our Pop Warner games)  and 50 or so in men's basketball in the same academic yr (especially considering we beat Princeton last yr in b-ball)
2a)lose to every team at least once in a ten team league in men's b-ball
3) have no winning teams for (I think) four straight years--assuming we hit a rough patch this spring
4) have a capital campaign in this context and actually have a chance of meeting your goal
5) (again, in this context) have only ONE head roll--that of the men's tennis coach.
6) despite all this, 8,119 applications for admission (Unrelated? Not so. Winning at the big schools does have a positive impact on enrollment from what I've read)

My conclusion:  We'll stay in the Patriot League as long as we can afford to.
Winning or losing will not matter.  When it gets too expensive--it could, after all, we don't have our own printing press--we're headed for the Centennial Conference.  In other words, we stay Columbia until we become Gettysburg.
pards4ever

bogus... what happened from the high power offense  that we left off from last year...after the game i thought the team was just glad to get out of the cold///#16 looked really good...and i thought #18 played outstanding ....#45 great passing always looking up
ed65

pardfan wrote:
While this was only the first game, I had hoped and expected this team to do better this season--despite the difficulty of a Patriot League lacrosse schedule.  The losing this year in Lafayette sports as a whole is nothing short of epic.  
Some things are really hard to do:
1) score as few goals as the men's soccer team did this year (5 goals from Sep 6 to Nov 7.  No goals in the last 7 games--including 4 OT's.)
2) lose to Princeton by 30 or so in football (Kazmaier used to live across the street and ref'd some of our Pop Warner games)  and 50 or so in men's basketball in the same academic yr (especially considering we beat Princeton last yr in b-ball)
2a)lose to every team at least once in a ten team league in men's b-ball
3) have no winning teams for (I think) four straight years--assuming we hit a rough patch this spring
4) have a capital campaign in this context and actually have a chance of meeting your goal
5) (again, in this context) have only ONE head roll--that of the men's tennis coach.
6) despite all this, 8,119 applications for admission (Unrelated? Not so. Winning at the big schools does have a positive impact on enrollment from what I've read)

My conclusion:  We'll stay in the Patriot League as long as we can afford to.
Winning or losing will not matter.  When it gets too expensive--it could, after all, we don't have our own printing press--we're headed for the Centennial Conference.  In other words, we stay Columbia until we become Gettysburg.


While I understand your concern and I have been very vocal about the losing culture, the problems with athletics are fixable.  The Admin and the Board just need to wake up and realize what is going on - Byerly certainly has gotten an earful from lots of alums.

I completely disagree about your Patriot League comments.  We are a founding school in the league and it is a perfect place for Lafayette.  We fought the D-3 battle 15 years ago and it wasn't pleasant.  There would be a revolution if that talk started again.  I, for one, will never speak to Rothkopf again.  His attitude about LC athletics was (is) just ridiculous.  The Lehigh rivalry in all sports is one of the things that is best about Lafayette College - it is one of the oldest and best rivalries in college sports.  Anyone who doesn't understand that is a damn fool IMHO.
Bogus Megapardus

pards4ever wrote:
bogus... what happened from the high power offense  that we left off from last year...


They're playing the Fran O'Hanlon version of lacrosse, emphasizing ball movement and speed over individual athleticism and inside skill.  I'm sure this is intentional.  

If you remember last season, Albany's whole game was taking care of the ball until someone could get it to Lyle Thompson up close so Lyle could do his thing.  That got Albany deep into the playoffs.  We don't have a Lyle Thompson.  Pards this season are all about misdirection and mixing up personnel (including many freshmen) with no one player designated as the go-to shooter.

The speed and frequency of the passing, combined with the frequent change of offensive personnel, are producing a bunch of errant passes and TOs, the latter of which results in part from the fact that we still suck at GB recovery.

Sullivan is winning the FOs (!!!) but we still can't get through the transition, the line change and the initial shot without (somehow) giving up possession.

So the keys, as I see them, are:

- Less timidity and more physicality on GBs.  Get low and square to dig and above all maintain your balance.

- Complete the initial offensive transition with a focus on maintaining possession.  Pards just aren't accustomed to winning FOs at this rate!  It's like, "now what do we do?"

- Stay sharp and focused on every pass, even when undefended; i.e. set your feet, eyes and shoulders, slide to position, and take no pass for granted, ever.  Simply put, fundamentals.

For the freshmen - yes, we know, the game moves a whole lot faster at this level than it did in high school.  I mean, SO much faster.  You gotta slow it down with your mind . . . with your focus . . . and with your confidence and trust in your teammates.
Bogus Megapardus

pardfan wrote:
My conclusion:  We'll stay in the Patriot League as long as we can afford to. Winning or losing will not matter.  When it gets too expensive--it could, after all, we don't have our own printing press--we're headed for the Centennial Conference.  In other words, we stay Columbia until we become Gettysburg.


Most respectfully, I disagree, pardfan.  I suppose Lafayette in the PL seems like Wake Forest in the ACC or Vanderbilt in the SEC, resigned to its position.

But I'd argue otherwise.

I'm pretty sure the administration knows that Lafayette gains a generous portion of its notoriety simply by being a member of the PL and playing at the DI level.  It's what separates us form the Centennial and NESCAC schools, amongst whom we otherwise would be bundled, and not necessarily in high fashion.

The DIII issue is settled . . . gone . . . kaput.  Lafayette is not going there.  Yes, we ought to be more competitive and I think we will be.  But in a league of peers (excepting Metropolitan College) we cannot expect to win every title in every sport every year.  Lafayette will win some titles in some years, as we've done recently in several sports.

I'm pretty sure I'd rather be "middle of the pack" with Colgate and Holy Cross than with Ursinus and Dickinson.  Wouldn't you?
pardfan

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
pardfan wrote:
My conclusion:  We'll stay in the Patriot League as long as we can afford to. Winning or losing will not matter.  When it gets too expensive--it could, after all, we don't have our own printing press--we're headed for the Centennial Conference.  In other words, we stay Columbia until we become Gettysburg.


Most respectfully, I disagree, pardfan.  I suppose Lafayette in the PL seems like Wake Forest in the ACC or Vanderbilt in the SEC, resigned to its position.

But I'd argue otherwise.

I'm pretty sure the administration knows that Lafayette gains a generous portion of its notoriety simply by being a member of the PL and playing at the DI level.  It's what separates us form the Centennial and NESCAC schools, amongst whom we otherwise would be bundled, and not necessarily in high fashion.

The DIII issue is settled . . . gone . . . kaput.  Lafayette is not going there.  Yes, we ought to be more competitive and I think we will be.  But in a league of peers (excepting Metropolitan College) we cannot expect to win every title in every sport every year.  Lafayette will win some titles in some years, as we've done recently in several sports.

I'm pretty sure I'd rather be "middle of the pack" with Colgate and Holy Cross than with Ursinus and Dickinson.  Wouldn't you?


"That junk IS the ball, Augie!"

 We want to stay in the Patriot League with our friends and we want to beat them whenever possible (I've always looked at the contests as good v. evil, but perhaps that's just me.)  We recognize that it won't be easy (but that's part of the fun) because of our size. All this has been true for a long time.  It's that "whenever possible" part that is becoming a problem.
 In a nutshell, my concern is this:  We rely too heavily IMO on Kirby-Bourger-Fisher.  If we're going to do that, the least we could do is be competitive for them.  Heaven forbid their enthusiasm should diminish. Furthermore, if we want to increase KBF-level participation, we've got to appeal to those alums with more than duty-honor-country stuff.  You can do that best by making sure that Lafayette sports are healthy and thriving.  The losing, at the very least, calls that into question.
 Things are happening very quickly.  Scholarships that once seemed like friend now look like anything but (in terms of lost revenue and worse results).  Sports advocacy at the College--something that was barely thought about--is now a huge issue IMO.  At this important juncture, leadership is important.  Just showing up at the games isn't enough.
Lafalum

I think there has been fundraising efforts beyond the KBF circle. The maroon club raised 1.8 million last year. This board is basically football and to a lesser extent basketball centric so it looks more to donations and influence that effect those sports. There is a lot going on and to my opinion more that can be done to execell in sports like lacrosse, fh, baseball, softball and soccer at a minimal financial investment.

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