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ed65

Saturday Oct 8th for LC Athletics

This day was a total disaster for LC Athletics.

I drove up to Woosta to see the Field Hockey Team come out flat as a pancake in the first half, and somehow find a way to get shut out by the Crusaders 2-0.  Holy Cross lost to Lehigh somehow and got spanked 8-1 by American.  I simply don't understand how the girls could play so poorly in a League Game.  I hate to say it but it looked to me like the coach did not have them ready, especially to mark #19 Maureen Connolly of HC who is the PL leading scorer.  But Bison 137 will like this: the officiating was terrible with whistles being blown from way behind the play and from across the field on numerous occasions.  Then there were the mystery calls in the circle.  I cannot for the life of me see how the refs can makes those calls in the circle when lots of players are around the ball.  To her credit, Coach Stone spent a lot a time talking to the two mega incompetent refs after the game.  LC FH now has a difficult task ahead them with AU next Saturday in Easton and Bison the following Saturday in 137 Land.  They will have to play MUCH better to win those two games - someone besides Amanda needs to take some shots on goal - my observations is the LC players try to pass the ball too much when they are in the circle instead of shooting.  The was one really good chance in the 2nd half when the score was still 1-0 and the LC player from the right side tried to hit the ball to the left side of the goal and missed the goal by a wide margin.  Next up is Albany tomorrow - it's difficult to be optimistic based on the poor offensive showing today.  One piece of good news: Rosa J may be available for the AU Game - they really need her offensive skills.

Next: Women's soccer: totally outclassed 4-0 by Metropolitan College in Boston.  Met's record in 4-10 with all 4 wins coming over PL opponents.  This does not say much for the quality or lack of it for PL women's soccer.  Again a LC team gets shut out.

Next: Men's soccer: lost 3-0 in Easton to the red-clad Eagles of American University (don't think I have ever see a red eagle!).  A poor performance by the Leopards at home.   Another shut out.  Very disappointing.

Last: Football at Fordham.  The less said the better: 58 points given up, that is terrible.

So a miserable day for LC athletics - there have been too many of them IMHO.

The dashboard is going to look bad this week.  Now Field Hockey is the only team with a winning record.
bison137

Re: Saturday Oct 8th for LC Athletics

ed65 wrote:
This day was a total disaster for LC Athletics.

Next: Women's soccer: totally outclassed 4-0 by Metropolitan College in Boston. †Met's record in 4-10 with all 4 wins coming over PL opponents. †This does not say much for the quality or lack of it for PL women's soccer.



I think that's a bit unfair to Boston U and the Patriot League.  Boston, who was strongly favored to win the league, opted to play perhaps the toughest ooc schedule in league history.   They faced a large number of teams from power conferences who would likely win the PL, plus good CAA teams.   I think the losing may have beaten them down after 7-8 games, but the PL gives them a blank slate.   Bucknell is undefeated, albeit against a significantly easier schedule, but Boston U was certainly on the same level as Bucknell when they faced each other.

Not that it matters, but Boston U' soccer program has exactly zero players enrolled in Metropolitan College.   That is also true of their basketball team, and virtually all of their other teams.    I was strongly opposed to their joining the PL - due to their size, expenditures on athletics, and some vocational majors - but Metropolitan College had no effect whatsoever on my opinion since it is pretty much irrelevant to their athletic program going forward.
ed65

When I looked at the BU soccer schedule, it was obvious they were playing top notch competition and it is not surprising that they lost a lot of games.  One would think they would have won at least one!  I really did not need 137 to point this out bec.  as mentioned, I looked at their schedule.  Another example of 137's annoying tut-tutting.  It was annoying to see the Leopard women get trounced so soundly especially after they played so well against AU the week before in Easton.

I continue to refer to BU as Met college as a way to protest their being invited in to the league.  I think they simply do not belong in the Pl for the reasons that the all-knowing 137 suggests.
SixtyEighter

I think we should stop disparaging Boston U. academics. It is very highly ranked by both the US News and the Wall street Journal college ratings. We need to look inward for the source of our athletic failures. The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves to paraphrase the bard. Athletic failure is a way of life at Lafayette deeply embeded in the culture of the college.There is no accountability no matter how low the sports teams sink.After this week's showing in the Bronx the football team may well be ranked lower than Columbia which to its credit appears to have at least undertaken to improve its major sports.Until the message is sent from alumni that the poor performance of the sports teams is intolerable it will continue unabated ad infinitum.However as long as the money keeps pouring in there will be no change.
Lafalum

SixtyEighter wrote:
I think we should stop disparaging Boston U. academics. It is very highly ranked by both the US News and the Wall street Journal college ratings. We need to look inward for the source of our athletic failures. The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves to paraphrase the bard. Athletic failure is a way of life at Lafayette deeply embeded in the culture of the college.There is no accountability no matter how low the sports teams sink.After this week's showing in the Bronx the football team may well be ranked lower than Columbia which to its credit appears to have at least undertaken to improve its major sports.Until the message is sent from alumni that the poor performance of the sports teams is intolerable it will continue unabated ad infinitum.However as long as the money keeps pouring in there will be no change.


I don't think  money is the issue,solution or whatever. If no one gave, especially to athletics the school would say no one is interested. I remember Rothkopf citing poor support for disinterest in athletics and reason to drop to division 3.
We do need some public noise though!!
ed65

SixtyEighter wrote:
I think we should stop disparaging Boston U. academics. It is very highly ranked by both the US News and the Wall street Journal college ratings. We need to look inward for the source of our athletic failures. The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves to paraphrase the bard. Athletic failure is a way of life at Lafayette deeply embeded in the culture of the college.There is no accountability no matter how low the sports teams sink.After this week's showing in the Bronx the football team may well be ranked lower than Columbia which to its credit appears to have at least undertaken to improve its major sports.Until the message is sent from alumni that the poor performance of the sports teams is intolerable it will continue unabated ad infinitum.However as long as the money keeps pouring in there will be no change.


68er: the message has been sent over and over - no one apparently wants to hear it.
Lafalum

Perhaps the message to BOT by direct letters and and personal contacts. If the administration listens it must be to the BOT. Ed Ahart is not the person, but individual members especially those on the Student Life committee. Friendly members could be Hal Kamine, Jim Fisher, Judd Linvlle, Bob Sell,Michael Heanney,jim Birle. By the way, none of those serve on Student Life.

This is the student life committee which to my mind is clueless on athletics and indifferent:
Elizabeth Mac Donald chair
Pamela Passman vice chair
David Rief Trustee
Alvin Yeargood  Trustee
William Rutledge trustee emertitus
Tom McGrail trustee emeritus
Terese Brown alumna
Megan Rothenberger Faculty
Jet Manzi studenet '17
Secretary Annette Diorio

The AD is not a member and the two emeritus members were anti scholarship when they were full BOT members. I don't know if any of the committee members were athletes except for Rutledge ( class in the 50's)
BPard

Bob Sell chaired student life for several years and would likely still be listened to on athletics. Esp since he's vice chair of the full Board.

Wynne Whitman is also on student life by the way.

I've found both of them - plus David Reif - interested in athletics, receptive and responsive to alumni concerns on other topics. I'd be surprised if they would not be the same on athletics.

However, if the goal is to change culture and high level orgs, you may want to also contact the governance committee. Chaired by Angel Mendez, vice is Reif plus Sell as member. Spang and Stauffer are secretaries - again, both receptive and responsive to alumni (as you'd hope from the development folks!)

At the very least they should be able to explain why it is no longer the committee on student life & athletics, and why the AD is no longer invited to the committee. Both changed last year (i believe). Where does Athletics belong?

What is the Board'a vision for athletics? What is Byerly's?What is Diorio's?
NewXbo

Lafalum wrote:
Perhaps the message to BOT by direct letters and and personal contacts. If the administration listens it must be to the BOT. Ed Ahart is not the person, but individual members especially those on the Student Life committee. Friendly members could be Hal Kamine, Jim Fisher, Judd Linvlle, Bob Sell,Michael Heanney,jim Birle. By the way, none of those serve on Student Life.

This is the student life committee which to my mind is clueless on athletics and indifferent:
Elizabeth Mac Donald chair
Pamela Passman vice chair
David Rief Trustee
Alvin Yeargood †Trustee
William Rutledge trustee emertitus
Tom McGrail trustee emeritus
Terese Brown alumna
Megan Rothenberger Faculty
Jet Manzi studenet '17        Manzi is a volleyball player
Secretary Annette Diorio

The AD is not a member and the two emeritus members were anti scholarship when they were full BOT members. I don't know if any of the committee members were athletes except for Rutledge ( class in the 50's)
ed65

BPard wrote:
Bob Sell chaired student life for several years and would likely still be listened to on athletics. Esp since he's vice chair of the full Board.

Wynne Whitman is also on student life by the way.

I've found both of them - plus David Reif - interested in athletics, receptive and responsive to alumni concerns on other topics. I'd be surprised if they would not be the same on athletics.

However, if the goal is to change culture and high level orgs, you may want to also contact the governance committee. Chaired by Angel Mendez, vice is Reif plus Sell as member. Spang and Stauffer are secretaries - again, both receptive and responsive to alumni (as you'd hope from the development folks!)

At the very least they should be able to explain why it is no longer the committee on student life & athletics, and why the AD is no longer invited to the committee. Both changed last year (i believe). Where does Athletics belong?

What is the Board'a vision for athletics? What is Byerly's?What is Diorio's?


Bpard: the Board has no vision for athletics, and have not had one for years.  There are too many members of that group who are clueless about athletics- in stark contract to LU and Colgate who want to have winning football teams.  Their coaches get fired if they don't win.  As far as Diorio, who cares what she thinks.  She should not be in the job - she has no qualification whatsoever to be in that position.  The trouble lies with the AD and Byerly's refusal to have athletics report to her.  The board in general is a bunch of toadies who allow the Admin to run the college.  I have nothing but contempt for most of them with a few exceptions: Bob Sell, Bruce Maggin (from my class). Jim Fisher,  Hal Kamine, David Reif and Kent Rockwell.  There are people on the board who I detest (Ahart, Barbara Levy for example)
ed65

To make the weekend complete, FH lost to Albany 4-0 this afternoon, making it a complete wipeout for the fall teams.  The scorecard at the top of the page will look much worse this week.

FH did not score in either game this weekend.  The coach needs to figure out why before the next two league games (AU and 137) or the team will not make the PL tournament and have a chance to redeem themselves.
BPard

As you'll gather from the other thread, I agree with you on the org and board level. They need to elevate and hire an AD with vision IMO. And hold coaches accountable.

I disagree on Diorio though. We should care because for now the AD reports to her, as do the coaches down the line. She can and should hold each of them accountable.

As for her qualifications - she lacks quals leading D1 Athletics, but I think she has the student life background which shows because she's done a good job as VP of Campus Life outside of athletics. She had a meteoric rise from her stint as Dean of Students but she's better VP than Limas was, an admittedly very low bar. I credit her team, which has had turnover, but a steady hand in leadership positions.

Imagine if we had an AD that had a similar level of drive/vision as Paul McLoughlin does (he's the Dean of Students and has spearheaded several Board level initiatives). Athletics would be transformed!
bison137

ed65 wrote:
When I looked at the BU soccer schedule, it was obvious they were playing top notch competition and it is not surprising that they lost a lot of games. †One would think they would have won at least one! †I really did not need 137 to point this out bec. †as mentioned, I looked at their schedule. †Another example of 137's annoying tut-tutting. †It was annoying to see the Leopard women get trounced so soundly especially after they played so well against AU the week before in Easton.




In your original post, you didn't indicate you had looked at their schedule, instead choosing to wrongly insult the PL soccer quality:  " Met's record in 4-10 with all 4 wins coming over PL opponents.  This does not say much for the quality or lack of it for PL women's soccer.     That statement did make it necessary for me, or someone, to post a clarification.
ed65

bison137 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
When I looked at the BU soccer schedule, it was obvious they were playing top notch competition and it is not surprising that they lost a lot of games. †One would think they would have won at least one! †I really did not need 137 to point this out bec. †as mentioned, I looked at their schedule. †Another example of 137's annoying tut-tutting. †It was annoying to see the Leopard women get trounced so soundly especially after they played so well against AU the week before in Easton.




In your original post, you didn't indicate you had looked at their schedule, instead choosing to wrongly insult the PL soccer quality: †" Met's record in 4-10 with all 4 wins coming over PL opponents. †This does not say much for the quality or lack of it for PL women's soccer. † † That statement did make it necessary for me, or someone, to post a clarification.


As usual 137, you post a snarky answer.  I guess you think the quality of PL women's soccer is better than I do, especially in a year when your school is having a good season so far.  I humbly apologize for not indicting that I did not look at met college's schedule.  In fact, I looked at it before the game as I always do when I check out the opposition before LC's teams play PL Games.  If I insulted you or insulted PL soccer quality, I'm sorry but I really don't think the quality of the league's women's futballers is very good.  Perhaps the 137s will prove me wrong and win some games in the NCAA Tournament, although they have to win the PL first!  I will happily eat crow if they do win two or more tournament contests.
Lafalum

BPard wrote:
As you'll gather from the other thread, I agree with you on the org and board level. They need to elevate and hire an AD with vision IMO. And hold coaches accountable.



As for her qualifications - she lacks quals leading D1 Athletics, but I think she has the student life background which shows because she's done a good job as VP of Campus Life outside of athletics. She had a meteoric rise from her stint as Dean of Students but she's better VP than Limas was

Imagine if we had an AD that had a similar level of drive/vision as Paul McLoughlin does (he's the Dean of Students and has spearheaded several Board level initiatives). Athletics would be transformed!


Limas may hold the record for the shortest stint as a major administrator in the history of the college. One can only wonder what he did to merit his flameout.
flyfisher

BPard wrote:
As you'll gather from the other thread, I agree with you on the org and board level. They need to elevate and hire an AD with vision IMO. And hold coaches accountable.

I disagree on Diorio though. We should care because for now the AD reports to her, as do the coaches down the line. She can and should hold each of them accountable.

As for her qualifications - she lacks quals leading D1 Athletics, but I think she has the student life background which shows because she's done a good job as VP of Campus Life outside of athletics. She had a meteoric rise from her stint as Dean of Students but she's better VP than Limas was, an admittedly very low bar. I credit her team, which has had turnover, but a steady hand in leadership positions.

Imagine if we had an AD that had a similar level of drive/vision as Paul McLoughlin does (he's the Dean of Students and has spearheaded several Board level initiatives). Athletics would be transformed!


Dean Paul is a decent guy and he does have good vision, good education. Very naÔve though. Like everyone else he has his agenda. Diorio lets him run which is good.

As to the Met College/BU academics, BU is pretty good. Some of you may not like this but if you want strong athletics you have to have some majors that weaker student athletes can utilize but still find a job. Recently the coaching staff prodded a kid to get out of engineering and into something less time consuming because his football duties were increasing. On that matter, majoring in engineering and playing football is becoming next to impossible. We have 2 this year. 2 next year and they are dropping like flies.
flyfisher

Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
As you'll gather from the other thread, I agree with you on the org and board level. They need to elevate and hire an AD with vision IMO. And hold coaches accountable.



As for her qualifications - she lacks quals leading D1 Athletics, but I think she has the student life background which shows because she's done a good job as VP of Campus Life outside of athletics. She had a meteoric rise from her stint as Dean of Students but she's better VP than Limas was

Imagine if we had an AD that had a similar level of drive/vision as Paul McLoughlin does (he's the Dean of Students and has spearheaded several Board level initiatives). Athletics would be transformed!


Limas may hold the record for the shortest stint as a major administrator in the history of the college. One can only wonder what he did to merit his flameout.


Limas got run of by a couple of people, one very influential in athletics today. A social experiment became a factor . Much like the head of the ATTIC for athletic tutoring quit the other day. The job got away from helping kids and was all about college admin.
Lafalum

flyfisher wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
As you'll gather from the other thread, I agree with you on the org and board level. They need to elevate and hire an AD with vision IMO. And hold coaches accountable.



As for her qualifications - she lacks quals leading D1 Athletics, but I think she has the student life background which shows because she's done a good job as VP of Campus Life outside of athletics. She had a meteoric rise from her stint as Dean of Students but she's better VP than Limas was

Imagine if we had an AD that had a similar level of drive/vision as Paul McLoughlin does (he's the Dean of Students and has spearheaded several Board level initiatives). Athletics would be transformed!


Limas may hold the record for the shortest stint as a major administrator in the history of the college. One can only wonder what he did to merit his flameout.


Limas got run of by a couple of people, one very influential in athletics today. A social experiment became a factor . Much like the head of the ATTIC for athletic tutoring quit the other day. The job got away from helping kids and was all about college admin.


I think I am more confused than ever about Limas!!
ed65

Lafalum wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
As you'll gather from the other thread, I agree with you on the org and board level. They need to elevate and hire an AD with vision IMO. And hold coaches accountable.



As for her qualifications - she lacks quals leading D1 Athletics, but I think she has the student life background which shows because she's done a good job as VP of Campus Life outside of athletics. She had a meteoric rise from her stint as Dean of Students but she's better VP than Limas was

Imagine if we had an AD that had a similar level of drive/vision as Paul McLoughlin does (he's the Dean of Students and has spearheaded several Board level initiatives). Athletics would be transformed!


Limas may hold the record for the shortest stint as a major administrator in the history of the college. One can only wonder what he did to merit his flameout.


Limas got run of by a couple of people, one very influential in athletics today. A social experiment became a factor . Much like the head of the ATTIC for athletic tutoring quit the other day. The job got away from helping kids and was all about college admin.


I think I am more confused than ever about Limas!!


Me too.  

If Paul McLaughlin is someone who can be an advocate for athletics,  I would like to meet him. However, I sense that some members of this group want to work within the current org chart to fix athletics.  But the problem is that this org chart does not work.  Management Consulting 101 says "Break up the org chart and start over."  That is my approach and I will continue to advocate for change.
flyfisher

ed65 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
As you'll gather from the other thread, I agree with you on the org and board level. They need to elevate and hire an AD with vision IMO. And hold coaches accountable.



As for her qualifications - she lacks quals leading D1 Athletics, but I think she has the student life background which shows because she's done a good job as VP of Campus Life outside of athletics. She had a meteoric rise from her stint as Dean of Students but she's better VP than Limas was

Imagine if we had an AD that had a similar level of drive/vision as Paul McLoughlin does (he's the Dean of Students and has spearheaded several Board level initiatives). Athletics would be transformed!


Limas may hold the record for the shortest stint as a major administrator in the history of the college. One can only wonder what he did to merit his flameout.


Limas got run of by a couple of people, one very influential in athletics today. A social experiment became a factor . Much like the head of the ATTIC for athletic tutoring quit the other day. The job got away from helping kids and was all about college admin.


I think I am more confused than ever about Limas!!


Me too. †

If Paul McLaughlin is someone who can be an advocate for athletics, †I would like to meet him. However, I sense that some members of this group want to work within the current org chart to fix athletics. †But the problem is that this org chart does not work. †Management Consulting 101 says "Break up the org chart and start over." †That is my approach and I will continue to advocate for change.


Paul could be good for athletics one day when he gets his next promotion. Question is, will he be at LC when that day comes?
BPard

ed65 wrote:
If Paul McLaughlin is someone who can be an advocate for athletics, †I would like to meet him. However, I sense that some members of this group want to work within the current org chart to fix athletics.
To be clear, I'm advocating for elevating the position of AD to directly report to the President, changing the expectations of the position, and hiring someone with the Athletics focused version of the type of vision and drive that Paul brought when the College hired him.

I did not mean to imply that Paul would be involved in addressing the current shortcomings in athletics. He's just an example of what can happen with a good outside hire who brings vision with a fresh perspective to the College.
Lafalum

BPard wrote:
ed65 wrote:
If Paul McLaughlin is someone who can be an advocate for athletics, †I would like to meet him. However, I sense that some members of this group want to work within the current org chart to fix athletics.
To be clear, I'm advocating for elevating the position of AD to directly report to the President, changing the expectations of the position, and hiring someone with the Athletics focused version of the type of vision and drive that Paul brought when the College hired him.

I did not mean to imply that Paul would be involved in addressing the current shortcomings in athletics. He's just an example of what can happen with a good outside hire who brings vision with a fresh perspective to the College.


I can't imagine anyone taking the position without a direct report to the President. Anyone who would accept without that proviso is not the right person. Let me be also clear we need an outside perspective not an inside hire from a failing enterprise. ( when the change comes eventually)

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