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SIDELINER

SIGNING DAY

Well, the day has come and gone. Reaction?

Here are links to stories on The Morning Call's website.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-la...pring-signing-20160203-story.html

http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-la...ll-recruiting-20160204-story.html

The Leopards may not have the best program going -- yet -- but they have the best TV analyst in Mike Joseph. He really does his homework. His conversations with the coordinators are a clinic in how it should be done.
Bogus Megapardus

I agree that Mike Joseph's evaluations are unparalleled. He should post on the Lafayette board.

Some random reactions to signing day:

- For the first time in many, none of the coaches (Tavani/Fein/Link) said, "best class ever."  I think that was deliberate.

- Frank drafted an entire football team.  Except for K/P every position was filled.

- Emphasis on OL depth and they seem more athletic (not simply "large").

- Dunn seems to be the real deal.  A special talent.  

- Yasir Thomas has a quick a move up field as I've ever seen.  I hope he can catch the ball in traffic.

- Why is Davis Nelson rostered as a TE?

- QB McCrum . . . Maine's #1 at the position?
Newleopardfan2

Seems like a very solid group. Interesting that the recruiting didn't have the geographic reach that we've seen in recent years -- nothing west of Ohio, I think. Maybe this was already discussed on the Recruiting thread. Deliberate focus? No need to reach? Budget cuts?
Franks Tanks

Newleopardfan2 wrote:
Seems like a very solid group. Interesting that the recruiting didn't have the geographic reach that we've seen in recent years -- nothing west of Ohio, I think. Maybe this was already discussed on the Recruiting thread. Deliberate focus? No need to reach? Budget cuts?


I think we can find the player we need in our immediate area.  

Good that it is a big class, we certainly need the depth.  The quality appears good, but we shall see in a few years.  I think we got a stud at QB, which is of course very critical.
Andy

Newleopardfan2 wrote:
Seems like a very solid group. Interesting that the recruiting didn't have the geographic reach that we've seen in recent years -- nothing west of Ohio, I think. Maybe this was already discussed on the Recruiting thread. Deliberate focus? No need to reach? Budget cuts?


NLF, there were in-home visits conducted in Texas and California, just no results, apparently.  Frank pointed out in an interview that we've had 2 kids leave the program - Colorado, California last 2 years.
Newleopardfan2

Interesting. Must have been the weather, or the lack of In-N-Out Burgers. Five Guys just doesn't match up.
SIDELINER

Newleopardfan2 wrote:
Interesting. Must have been the weather, or the lack of In-N-Out Burgers. Five Guys just doesn't match up.


Or, girls?
Jpao92

Or lack of a winning program.  Read a disturbing quote from a stud TE from Saucon who Lafayette really wanted.  When asked why he chose 'Gate his answer was to the effect that he wanted to win or a chance to every year.
Zeus

[quote="Jpao92:53013"]Or lack of a winning program.  Read a disturbing quote from a stud TE from Saucon who Lafayette really wanted.  When asked why he chose 'Gate his answer was to the effect that he wanted to win or a chance to every year.[/quote]
Lafayette really wanted him based on what?
Pardsfriend

2016 signings

A couple observations.

 Reviewing kids from the NJ side of Delaware, of which I'm more familiar, Thomas and Monteyne played in an extremely competitive Big North conference, for large publics.  This may be most competitive conference in state, and one of top in country.  Many kids graduate and play in top FBS programs.  

 Observing the overall group, the db from Ohio stands out to me with outstanding cover skills and recovery speed that is instinctive to him.

 It is difficult to judge the quality of competition from film without understanding of area and conferences.  I expect our staff evaluated with competition in mind, and projected whether all of these kids could play in the PL.

 Development of recruits in this group falls squarely on the kids, and this coaching staff.  I expect a couple to contribute immediately, and wish all the best opportunities to succeed on college hill.
Jpao92

[quote="Zeus:53016"][quote="Jpao92:53013"]Or lack of a winning program.  Read a disturbing quote from a stud TE from Saucon who Lafayette really wanted.  When asked why he chose 'Gate his answer was to the effect that he wanted to win or a chance to every year.[/quote]
Lafayette really wanted him based on what?[/quote]

Not sure.  Maybe it wast the talent level.  Maybe because he was a good student.  Maybe my source was lying and the coaches paid him to go to Colgate as a mole.
Jpao92

[quote="Zeus:53016"][quote="Jpao92:53013"]Or lack of a winning program.  Read a disturbing quote from a stud TE from Saucon who Lafayette really wanted.  When asked why he chose 'Gate his answer was to the effect that he wanted to win or a chance to every year.[/quote]
Lafayette really wanted him based on what?[/quote]

And this:

http://highschoolsports.lehighval...-picks-another-winner-in-colgate/
Andy

Wait a minute, you mean we don't "get" EVERY player we offer, full, partial, or walkon?  I'm floored by this..
Jpao92

1-10.  Keep being "floored" if that is your thing.    The quote is there, his reason was there.  My source (who may be in the business of covering the team for a local media outlet) said they went especially hard after this kid and lost him for the reasons the kid himself gave.

But hey, if you want to pretend a 1-10 season capping off a perpetual losing culture is not going to factor, go ahead.
Andy

Jpao92 wrote:
1-10.  Keep being "floored" if that is your thing.    The quote is there, his reason was there.  My source (who may be in the business of covering the team for a local media outlet) said they went especially hard after this kid and lost him for the reasons the kid himself gave.

But hey, if you want to pretend a 1-10 season capping off a perpetual losing culture is not going to factor, go ahead.


Yeah, that's my thing. Focusing on the positive aspect of a slew of local signings, not the negative of losing one. That's your thing. Would "went especially hard" mean a full ride offer?  Show me.
SixtyEighter

I can't complain about a kid who wants to win who rejects Lafayette's umpteen consecutive losing seasons for a place that is competitive in the league almost every year. What is Lafayette's record in all football games against Colgate or even the last 15 years?
Jpao92

1-10.   Andy, no offense but it is odd to read you and others try to spin the pinnacle of what has been a declining program as positive.   You are faced with a direct quote and your answer is to deny it away.   He made the statement.  Are we really going to pretend that a winning program will not factor in decisions?   Or does our fancy stadium just overwhelm?

Sure, we probably had a nice recruiting class.  But any recruiting class won't ultimately be judged by your opinion or mine.  Rather, it will be measured against how our competition did.  Judging by how we have fared against them the past few years (with the exception of a PL title that was in the early, maybe even first, years of scholarship players), it is not looking good.  

I want to be positive but I am afraid the College has made that hard.  They don't care about the athletic program.   It is just something they do for the sake of doing it. 1-10.
Jpao92

Andy,

I apologize.  You were probably correct there is no way Lafayette gave this guy a full ride offer:

http://www.easternpafootball.com/...s-day-14-mike-kane-saucon-valley/
Andy

Agree with most of your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs, and I deplore the LC admin/BOT ways in things athletics related. You describe it well.  To hire, at no small expense, a well regarded basketball coach and have him compete w/out scholarships in a scholarship league makes no sense.  Competing with 59 football scholarships while the rest of the league has 60 makes no sense. Fully support your Div. 1 teams, level the playing field as much as possible.

You and others citing the 1-10, IMO, actually hurts your cause.  The season was a disaster of tragic death and injury.

Also, not denying one recruits statement. I am doubting the extent that the staff went after him.  But, who cares?  If I had to lose a local kid would you rather lose Tre Jordan or this kid? I know my answer.  Kids make decisions based on many factors, of course. I can cite several who stated they wanted to be part of building the program back up. I like that and choose to focus on the several who wanted to join us, not on one who didn't.
Andy

Jpao92 wrote:
Andy,

I apologize.  You were probably correct there is no way Lafayette gave this guy a full ride offer:

http://www.easternpafootball.com/...s-day-14-mike-kane-saucon-valley/


Trust me. If this kid got a full ride offer, you'd have read about it.
NewXbo

I don't understand what all the commotion is about. Saucon had a good year in the Colonial League, a league of 2A and 3A teams. They knocked off a few AA and AAA teams in the playoffs. There season ended with a 72-27 crushing by Imhotep.

Maybe Lafayette took a look at him, maybe they didn't. Maybe they thought they had a better player committed to that position. Who knows, who cares.

The bottom line is the player elected to go to Colgate. I'm sure that he was not the only player looked at who went to a different school. That's how it works.

So why are you making this a big deal?

NewXbo
Patent Pending
Jpao92

Yep, it is no big deal.  I think Colgate has not really kicked our freaking arses fairly consistently or its not like they are in our league or anything and we are in competition with them.   We lose kids to Colgate all the time. What are they gonna do, kick our arses all the time or win the PL championship.   Such nonsense.  

Let me say this again,  it wasn't per se that we lost a recruit.  That happens, I get it.  What I cited to this particular kid for was his rationale in making the choice.  I cited to it as some evidence that having a consistently losing program will have an effect on recruiting.  

Is that really debatable?
Franks Tanks

Jpao92 wrote:
Yep, it is no big deal.  I think Colgate has not really kicked our freaking arses fairly consistently or its not like they are in our league or anything and we are in competition with them.   We lose kids to Colgate all the time. What are they gonna do, kick are arses all the time or win the PL championship.   Such nonsense.  

Let me say this again,  it wasn't per se that we lost a recruit.  That happens, I get it.  What I cited to this particular kid for was his rationale in making the choice.  I cited to it as some evidence that having a consistently losing program will have an effect on recruiting.  

Is that really debatable?


We also get kids with offers from Colgate.  Simmons for one was committed to Colgate, but elected to come to Lafayette.

The biggest difference IMO is what we do with the kids once we get them on campus.  Colgate runs a defined system, at least on O, and develops those kids to be successful in the system.  It's hard to tell what we want to do sometimes.  I firmly believe we have recruited the players we need to be successful over the last 3 recruiting cycles. We shall see if our coaches can develop the kids enough to be successful.
Jpao92

Different side of the same coin to me.   I didn't choose Lafayette because I want to win.  I choose Lafayette but am about to be let down by coaches who fail to help in my development as a player.
Andy

SixtyEighter wrote:
I can't complain about a kid who wants to win who rejects Lafayette's umpteen consecutive losing seasons for a place that is competitive in the league almost every year. What is Lafayette's record in all football games against Colgate or even the last 15 years?


Took a look at the record book.

Colgate has won 8 PL championships, LC 7.

LC had won 3 championships before Colgate won their first in the league's 12th year.

Things go in cycles, but, like you, I'm not that concerned with what went on 15 years ago. Moreso what happens when there is a level playing field: the years after T took over and got the budget to PL top tier levels and those years after the 17 member class of 09 (?) graduated.

Gate has a super effective offense that allows cookie cutter replacement of key pieces. Their D has not been anything special, although it appears a focus in this class.
Zeus

It's entertaining that someone is complaining about not getting a kid, when Lafayette got two of the best players in the Lehigh Valley. THEY were scholarships players.

Do you really think a player is going to come out and say they went to X school due to them offering more money in the papers?
Andy

Zeus wrote:
It's entertaining that someone is complaining about not getting a kid, when Lafayette got two of the best players in the Lehigh Valley. THEY were scholarships players.

Do you really think a player is going to come out and say they went to X school due to them offering more money in the papers?


Exactly. The late in the cycle kids are mostly partial aid.  I could interpret this guy's comments as perhaps a result of being annoyed at LC for not offering sooner or more, and taking a shot at the program as he heads off to Colgate with a better partial. (The writer really ran with it, didn't he?) Really much ado about nothing from a poster who wants T out.
Jpao92

Zeus, Andy:


If we have had such solid recruiting then where are the results?  As Lombardi once said, if wins and losses don't count, then why do they keep score?   From my end the score speaks volumes.  We are a losing program.  

Do we get some good recruits?  Sure, but is that the standard?  We need more than some.   Of course, we also need player development.

It is unfair when you care about something and it is reduced to something as basic as wins and losses.  We all know there is more to story, i.e. injuries.  But the more time goes by the less that matters.   The excises get tired and old.  Three years ago I was with you.  Better days were ahead and each recruiting class brought some promise.   No longer.  I see the results and they are moving in reverse as compared to the competition.
Andy

Jpao92 wrote:
Zeus, Andy:

I will stop believing the on the field performance and start believing you.  All is well.  Quisling much?


Come on, man. It's a discussion board, everyone isnt going to agree with everything you post. You're obviously anti-Tavani, but criticism focused on the possible 26th man in the class? How about the rest of them who chose to come here?  We lost several kids late due to lack of aid to offer. I've heard several from FL would be Pards if we could've upped the ante. This kid took a shot at the program as he took an offer from a competitor, and you bought right in. Great school, great program, mom sporting her shirts on twitter. Sorry mom, ran out of money, enjoy the ride up there.
Andy

Jpao92 wrote:
Zeus, Andy:


If we have had such solid recruiting then where are the results?  As Lombardi once said, if wins and losses don't count, then why do they keep score?   From my end the score speaks volumes.  We are a losing program.  

Do we get some good recruits?  Sure, but is that the standard?  We need more than some.   Of course, we also need player development.

It is unfair when you care about something and it is reduced to something as basic as wins and losses.  We all know there is more to story, i.e. injuries.  But the more time goes by the less that matters.   The excises get tired and old.  Three years ago I was with you.  Better days were ahead and each recruiting class brought some promise.   No longer.  I see the results and they are moving in reverse as compared to the competition.


Excuses? Moving in reverse?  Does a 17 member recruiting class hurt your chances vs competitors bringing in 34? (Thanks Weiss).  In the two years following their graduarion LC went 8-4 in the league, beat top tier PL programs Gate and LU, won a championship with a 5-1 league record, destroyed Lehigh in successive years including an embarrassment in Yankee Stadium.  If a "fan" wants to find negatives they're there, I like to look for positives. I'll say this, IMO, if Frank can't, within the next 2 years, challenge for a PL title, with the 2nd highest budget in the league, maybe it would be time to go.
Jpao92

I would love to be a coach where you are the AD.  

"If you can't make this thing work in the next ten years you are out of here."

My response: "cool, that should get me to retirement."

You are what your record says you are.  Our record says we are doing something wrong.   The expiration date on the Weiss debacle has expired.  Frank has gotten everything that he or any other coach could have ever asked for.
BillS

Jpao92 wrote:
I would love to be a coach where you are the AD.  

"If you can't make this thing work in the next ten years you are out of here."

My response: "cool, that should get me to retirement."

You are what your record says you are.  Our record says we are doing something wrong.   The expiration date on the Weiss debacle has expired.  Frank has gotten everything that he or any other coach could have ever asked for.
Jpao92 your pessimistic tone sounds very much like a former poster on this board.
Andy

Jpao92 wrote:
I would love to be a coach where you are the AD.  

"If you can't make this thing work in the next ten years you are out of here."

My response: "cool, that should get me to retirement."

You are what your record says you are.  Our record says we are doing something wrong.   The expiration date on the Weiss debacle has expired.  Frank has gotten everything that he or any other coach could have ever asked for.


Yeah, like when LC was playing with 42 equivalencies vs 2 league teams with over 50.

There is no excuse for our playing with under 60 scholarships in 2016.

You dont respond to the league record I cited after the "Weiss debacle" ended in 2012. Did you want to fire the staff right afterthe championship in 2013?
Jpao92

[quote="BillS:53125"]your pessimistic tone sounds very much like a former poster on this board.[/quote]

Oh no!!!  I am not that guy.   I would not call it pessimism for the sake of it.  Rather, I am skeptical based on the lack of action from the current leadership of the College.  

The start of solving any problem is acknowledging there is one.   If I disagree with any of the posters here it is because I think they are letting those responsible somewhat off the hook and, by extension, those who have enabled the HC to have no motivation to succeed by granting him a de facto tenured faculty position.

As for the current recruiting class I think that ranking or grading them is a speculative thing.   I have asked some rather reasonable questions. To wit, it seems that every year we hear the merits of our classes but the results on the field since giving scholarships seem to be slipping, why is that if the classes are so strong?  Is not the real measure of our recruiting classes measured against the competition?  In other words, sure we are bringing better talent than before we gave scholarships but is it better than our competition?   Why do we seem less competitive against the IVY League since after scholarships were given?    Finally, it seems that in any season, no matter how bad, a positive nugget can be found.  But do nuggets, thumping Lehigh for example, replace a winning record and have the nuggets now become the measuring stick?  We no longer look for a winning record but, rather, are contented with a few bright spots.

We all know what Weiss did to the program (I would argue with the tacit approval of certain members of the BOT).  The reaction against that has landed the program in a good spot with scholarships and a budget that is not to be sneezed at (even an endowed HC job).   Is it too much to ask for results?  

Again, not pessimism but legitimate skepticism based on the results on the field.   I attend pretty much every game.   Believe me, I want to see this ship turned around.
Jpao92

[quote="Andy:53129"][quote="Jpao92:53123"]I would love to be a coach where you are the AD.  

"If you can't make this thing work in the next ten years you are out of here."

My response: "cool, that should get me to retirement."

You are what your record says you are.  Our record says we are doing something wrong.   The expiration date on the Weiss debacle has expired.  Frank has gotten everything that he or any other coach could have ever asked for.[/quote]

Yeah, like when LC was playing with 42 equivalencies vs 2 league teams with over 50.

There is no excuse for our playing with under 60 scholarships in 2016.

You dont respond to the league record I cited after the "Weiss debacle" ended in 2012. Did you want to fire the staff right afterthe championship in 2013?[/quote]

Yes, I did. See my post above re. nuggets v. an entire season.  Even when we won the league we had a losing record.  I was there when Frank had his brain fart against Colgate that lead to the only league loss and the game that meant having a winning record.  It was nice to win the league.  We represented them in the playoffs, with a losing record, and promptly exited like one would expect a team with a losing record to do.

I repeat a question I asked, when does the Weiss era destruction end as a reason for us not achieving now?   I think it is expired. Arguendo, I will accept that it has not. Can we agree that this year would be a time that a turn around should happen?
Andy

I think we're going in circles here, jpao.   You may be getting some quotes mixed up.  I mentioned that Frank might want to step away if, with the 2nd highest budget in the PL, he cant get over 500 in the next 2 years. You responded with the 10 year thing.

You've asked the Weiss question at least 4 times on various boards and I've given my answer as many times. The direct impact of Weiss' action ended when the 17 member recruiting class graduated in 2012. AGAIN, in the 2 succeeding years the team went 8-4 in the league with a championship.

Weiss continues to come up in discussion because guys continue to quote "six losing seasons" and I like to point to the truth of the impact of Weiss action during that stretch. My pointing it out is usually labeled as "spin."

I wont be joining any Lehigh - like belittling of the 2013 championship. If PL teams didnt want a sub-500 team repping them in the playoffs, they should have beaten LC when they had the chance instead of getting their asses kicked. The league championship of course being goal one of all teams.
Jpao92

Andy,

Fair enough.  I am not like the departed poster.  I do t subscribe to a point of view that all is lost.  Just want to see some signs of life.  As you said, the resources seem to be aligned.
Andy

Hey, you're a passionate fan. Let's WIN!
Zeus

You are what your record says you are.  Our record says we are doing something wrong.   The expiration date on the Weiss debacle has expired.  [b]Frank has gotten everything that he or any other coach could have ever asked for[/b].

Yes, like all that money from 150 that went back to football, right?
flyfisher

Personally I think the program is going to mprove though maybe not right away. Brutal schedule coming up. A few things need to happen and will in time. Many here blame Bruce. Pretty sure he is not the issue. He is the caretaker. He doesn't really create the culture. Gotta look beyond him.
The boys are disappointed in the results of last year and have been working hard in hope this doesn't repeat itself. However with that schedule it's a tough hill to climb.
It troubles me for the long term that I don't see the passion for the school. These kids will go on and graduate and have good careers. The college will need the support of these future alumni to prosper. I see this as a longer term issue. Not sure how long the college can ride the Kirby's, the Fisher's, the Bourger's of the world. I hope I am wrong.
Some good comments here. We are what our record says we are.
LeopardBall10

flyfisher wrote:
Many here blame Bruce. Pretty sure he is not the issue. He is the caretaker. He doesn't really create the culture. Gotta look beyond him.


Fly, I tend to agree with you here but that is what worries me. Bruce really doesn't do anything like an AD should to create the culture we all want. But I am not sure how you can look beyond him because, well, there isn't much beyond him. We all complain about the chain of command, and it is well documented. So if Bruce isn't creating the culture we want who do we look to? The Dean of Campus Life (She doesn't know the first thing about Athletics)? Or do we look to Byerly in the first month of her third year as Pres (probably, and she needs to make some strides in changing some of the things we hope she sees as wrong)?
Lafalum

LeopardBall10 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Many here blame Bruce. Pretty sure he is not the issue. He is the caretaker. He doesn't really create the culture. Gotta look beyond him.


Fly, I tend to agree with you here but that is what worries me. Bruce really doesn't do anything like an AD should to create the culture we all want. But I am not sure how you can look beyond him because, well, there isn't much beyond him. We all complain about the chain of command, and it is well documented. So if Bruce isn't creating the culture we want who do we look to? The Dean of Campus Life (She doesn't know the first thing about Athletics)? Or do we look to Byerly in the first month of her third year as Pres (probably, and she needs to make some strides in changing some of the things we hope she sees as wrong)?


Sometimes personnel and organizational changes are signals. I am waiting for that sign!!
BPard

Zeus wrote:
Quote:
Frank has gotten everything that he or any other coach could have ever asked for.

Yes, like all that money from 150 that went back to football, right?
How do you know he asked for the money? Who did he ask? Who told him no? What was the reason given? Why did he accept the answer?

flyfisher wrote:
He is the caretaker. He doesn't really create the culture.
Many here do not want a caretaker AD. They want a leader who does create culture.

LeopardBall10 wrote:
The Dean of Campus Life (She doesn't know the first thing about Athletics)?
It is actually VP of Campus Life Annette Diorio, who I like and respect; however, looking at the structure of other PL schools and the Ivies, I no longer think the Athletics Department should fall under Campus Life.

What's not clear if the stand alone Department should encompass Intercollegiate Varsity Athletics, Club Athletics, and Intramural/Recreational Athletics. Most likely yes in order to justify the elevated position as a direct report to the President. Aside from putting all athletics related activities into one organization with a focus on athletic excellence, this would also allow Campus Life to focus attention and resources towards the Connected Communities initiative.
NewXbo

LeopardBall10 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Many here blame Bruce. Pretty sure he is not the issue. He is the caretaker. He doesn't really create the culture. Gotta look beyond him.


Fly, I tend to agree with you here but that is what worries me. Bruce really doesn't do anything like an AD should to create the culture we all want. But I am not sure how you can look beyond him because, well, there isn't much beyond him. We all complain about the chain of command, and it is well documented. So if Bruce isn't creating the culture we want who do we look to? The Dean of Campus Life (She doesn't know the first thing about Athletics)? Or do we look to Byerly in the first month of her third year as Pres (probably, and she needs to make some strides in changing some of the things we hope she sees as wrong)?


What do you want the culture to be? And, what would want Bruce to do?
BPard

NewXbo wrote:
What do you want the culture to be? And, what would want Bruce to do?
I'd like a culture that delivers on the stated goal to have every student athlete have a chance to compete for a PL championship during their time at LC.

I'd like Bruce to effectively fight for resources necessary to advance the Mission and to hold his subordinates responsible for progress towards that.

Two notes:
1. The recently revised official Mission Statement does not include the aforementioned goal unless you extrapolate it from the addendum "Creating an environment where student-athletes and teams are challenged to excel"

2. On fighting for resources, Bruce would be effective by rectifying that according to 2014 data (from equity in athletics), Lafayette spends $6 million less annually than the PL average and median on varsity athletics AND we spend $9,000 less per student-athlete than the PL school avg ($11,000 less than the median). Bucknell spent more than us in raw dollars, but less per student-athlete showing that it is possible to leaner/meaner but still successful on the field.
bison137

BPard wrote:


2. On fighting for resources, Bruce would be effective by rectifying that according to 2014 data (from equity in athletics), Lafayette spends $6 million less annually than the PL average and median on varsity athletics AND we spend $9,000 less per student-athlete than the PL school avg ($11,000 less than the median). Bucknell spent more than us in raw dollars, but less per student-athlete showing that it is possible to leaner/meaner but still successful on the field.



For this data to be meaningful, I think it needs to be looked at by sport.   The schools that have hockey, for example, have very high costs for that sport.   And clearly the schools that don't have football are in a completely different position.

Boston U. spends almost $1.5 Million more on hockey than LC spends on basketball, and Colgate spends about the same as LC's basketball expenditures.
NewXbo

Jpao92 wrote:
Or lack of a winning program.  Read a disturbing quote from a stud TE from Saucon who Lafayette really wanted.  When asked why he chose 'Gate his answer was to the effect that he wanted to win or a chance to every year.


Well, it turns out that maybe the Lafayette coaching staff made the smarter decision. Mr. Kane had shoulder surgery on Monday.

NewXbo
Patent Pending
Andy

NewXbo wrote:
Jpao92 wrote:
Or lack of a winning program.  Read a disturbing quote from a stud TE from Saucon who Lafayette really wanted.  When asked why he chose 'Gate his answer was to the effect that he wanted to win or a chance to every year.


Well, it turns out that maybe the Lafayette coaching staff made the smarter decision. Mr. Kane had shoulder surgery on Monday.

NewXbo
Patent Pending


Best of luck to the young man. Coaches have difficult decisions to make as the money runs out. Lots of good players get left behind or are lost in the end game as they take the highest late offer.  As may have happened to Dock Luckie for instance.
Newleopardfan2

Andy wrote:
NLF, there were in-home visits conducted in Texas and California, just no results, apparently.  Frank pointed out in an interview that we've had 2 kids leave the program - Colorado, California last 2 years.


I heard from a local source that a kid from La Jolla visited last week. He was very jazzed about it.
LeopardBall10

BPard wrote:

LeopardBall10 wrote:
The Dean of Campus Life (She doesn't know the first thing about Athletics)?
It is actually VP of Campus Life Annette Diorio, who I like and respect; however, looking at the structure of other PL schools and the Ivies, I no longer think the Athletics Department should fall under Campus Life.

What's not clear if the stand alone Department should encompass Intercollegiate Varsity Athletics, Club Athletics, and Intramural/Recreational Athletics. Most likely yes in order to justify the elevated position as a direct report to the President. Aside from putting all athletics related activities into one organization with a focus on athletic excellence, this would also allow Campus Life to focus attention and resources towards the Connected Communities initiative.


I apologize for the incorrect title. I know Ms. Diorio as well and I think she is very good at her job when it comes to engaging students and creating a better Lafayette campus community. However, she has no experience with or interest in overseeing the athletics community. All of the club sports are handled by the Kirby Sports Center staff and student volunteers. I agree that bringing that all under one roof with one direct report who has a vested interest in athletics is ideal.

I also think it is very interesting that the stated goal of having every student-athlete compete for a championship was removed, or at least left ambiguous. Because to New Bbos question I do think that is the culture we want. I would like to see a culture of accountability on the parts of the coaches as well as the student-athletes. And I would like the coaches to be held accountable to uphold the standard of having every class compete for a championship. If you add the club and intramural sports under the ADs purview as well then you may add some additional goals targeting student engagement and participation, but I think a lot of that is developed through an overall "winning" culture where those involved appear to care beyond just their last pay day.[/quote]
Andy

Newleopardfan2 wrote:
Andy wrote:
NLF, there were in-home visits conducted in Texas and California, just no results, apparently.  Frank pointed out in an interview that we've had 2 kids leave the program - Colorado, California last 2 years.


I heard from a local source that a kid from La Jolla visited last week. He was very jazzed about it.


Don't know if you saw in the recruiting thread, Nlf, we signed a QB from Ocean View HS, 2016.  Could that be the same kid?
Andy

Looks like Coach Biel has left us for NCSA Recruiting service. Good luck, Coach!
BillS

Andy wrote:
Newleopardfan2 wrote:
Andy wrote:
NLF, there were in-home visits conducted in Texas and California, just no results, apparently.  Frank pointed out in an interview that we've had 2 kids leave the program - Colorado, California last 2 years.


I heard from a local source that a kid from La Jolla visited last week. He was very jazzed about it.


Don't know if you saw in the recruiting, Nlf, we signed a QB from Ocean View HS, 2016.  Could that be the same kid?
If he lives in Lajolla chances are he's a full pay WO  Wink
Newleopardfan2

Andy wrote:
Don't know if you saw in the recruiting thread, Nlf, we signed a QB from Ocean View HS, 2016.  Could that be the same kid?


Nope -- Ocean View HS is in Huntington Beach. I'll get details of the La Jolla kid and post soon.
Newleopardfan2

Newleopardfan2 wrote:
Andy wrote:
Don't know if you saw in the recruiting thread, Nlf, we signed a QB from Ocean View HS, 2016.  Could that be the same kid?


Nope -- Ocean View HS is in Huntington Beach. I'll get details of the La Jolla kid and post soon.


He's from Bishop's Academy in La Jolla. Not a major football program or D-1 feeder, by any means. Good academics, though.

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