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Pard4Life

Taps...

As I sit upon the shore, I watch this listing vessel hurl towards the nevermore...

Going.
Going.
Gone.

What the hell happened this season?  

I also love how we know we lost the game when the SID dances around the facts with a well-worded intro for every sport, or say we battled hard or outscored somebody for a quarter or over a spurt.  It does get boring saying "Lafayette lost" everyday.
Andy

Re: Taps...

Pard4Life wrote:
As I sit upon the shore, I watch this listing vessel hurl towards the nevermore...

Going.
Going.
Gone.

What the hell happened this season?  

I also love how we know we lost the game when the SID dances around the facts with a well-worded intro for every sport, or say we battled hard or outscored somebody for a quarter or over a spurt.  It does get boring saying "Lafayette lost" everyday.


Our competitors are bolstering their programs with scholarships. What will be Lafayette's response?  Outside of the first half of last season LC Lax has historically been a joke.  Do you see prospects for a change?

One becomes numb to all the losing.

While we're asking questions (pls excuse the hi-jack to FB):

How and why exactly is a successful football program with a $4.5 million budget and a $30 million facility allowed to be destroyed from within by sinking to 42 equivalencies?   INSANITY!!
Franks Tanks

Re: Taps...

[quote="Andy:17497"]
Pard4Life wrote:
As I sit upon the shore, I watch this listing vessel hurl towards the nevermore...

Going.
Going.
Gone.

What the hell happened this season?  

I also love how we know we lost the game when the SID dances around the facts with a well-worded intro for every sport, or say we battled hard or outscored somebody for a quarter or over a spurt.  It does get boring saying "Lafayette lost" everyday.


Our competitors are bolstering their programs with scholarships. What will be Lafayette's response?  Outside of the first half of last season LC Lax has historically been a joke.  Do you see prospects for a change?

One becomes numb to all the losing.

While we're asking questions (pls excuse the hi-jack to FB):

How and why exactly is a successful football program with a $4.5 million budget and a $30 million facility allowed to be destroyed from within by sinking to 42 equivalencies?   INSANITY!![/quote]

Just as insane as allowing a Men's basketball program coming off two NCAA appearances die from lack of scholarships for a few years.  Fran and Frank built up their respective programs only to see them fall back solely due to lack of funding.

It is just flat out stupid.  Just as stupid as Holy Cross and Colgate banning their top 5 I-AA football teams from the playoffs in the 80's.  Just as stupid as all of our PL schools thinking we could be just like the Ivies, but without the prestige and money.
TheRock90

Do not give up hope. I see the Athletic Director's plan starting to take effect.
The web site shows that softball won to improve to 3-32.
PardsLax

Re: Taps...

[quote="Pard4Life:17489"]
What the hell happened this season? [/quote]

One problem (among many) was the glaring inconsistency in intensity between games.  This team could get themselves jacked up to play ranked teams (3 one-goal losses and one 3-goal loss) but came out VERY flat against teams with losing records.  Who knows why but one reason could be some hangover from the success of last season.  As noted in other post, the team also lost many key players from last year and had new, inexperienced offensive and defensive coordinators this year.  At many times, both the offensive and defense appeared one dimensional and seemed unable to adapt to what the opposition was doing.  The offense in particular was a disappointment compared to last year.  Let's hope the coaches spend a lot of time watching film during the off-season.
Lafalum

I will point out once more.....what did the president's meeting in December accomplish. How did Weis as a self admitted leader of the PL presidents help us and himself given subsequent events. The PL headed to scholarships in all sports and we are standing around picking our........( I'll let you finish the sentence)
seenalot

Re: Taps...

"This team could get themselves jacked up to play ranked teams (3 one-goal losses and one 3-goal loss) but came out VERY flat against teams with losing records."

The consistant part is we lost in all the games you cite - plus a boatload of others.  At times we could not score, we could not defend, we could not close out on a man-up, we could not clear consistantly and we could not win a face off (or vs HC we could not lose a face off but figured out how to lose the game anyway).  

Justified or not, from where I stand these kids just stopped playing for Terry - and in some respects quit on themselves in the process.  

Would not surprise me one thin bit to see them either take apart LU this weekend or get crushed.
Pard4Life

Well we were blown out. But I was surprised to read it because the score was buried in the last paragraph of the story and we reeled off five straight goals. Guess the SID worked his magic if you didn't read the whole thing.

The gap between us and them in lacrosse will only get wider. Lehigh is starting to score premier Canadians and add scholarships (right?) along with Bucknell.

Lacrosse is a premier college sport and the window is closing. Michigan is adding a program in DI in 2012. Major colleges like Florida play club. It is only a matter of time before we become irrelevant.

It is a growing sport as evidenced by 60,000 plus sellouts at the Final Four. They are marquee names involved plus the Ivy League. And it's not like football where resources are the primary factor in determining winners and losers. Lacrosse programs, especially established programs, have name and tradition to recruit the best players. And oh yes, academics. Because lacrosse attracts Lafayette's historical demographic.

Last spring, the top four statistically best teams at one point were: Lafayette, Princeton, UVA, North Carolina. All the players likely graduate. What's wrong with competing and dedicating our resources to this sport?
Lafalum

Pard4Life wrote:
Well we were blown out. But I was surprised to read it because the score was buried in the last paragraph of the story and we reeled off five straight goals. Guess the SID worked his magic if you didn't read the whole thing.

The gap between us and them in lacrosse will only get wider. Lehigh is starting to score premier Canadians and add scholarships (right?) along with Bucknell.

Lacrosse is a premier college sport and the window is closing. Michigan is adding a program in DI in 2012. Major colleges like Florida play club. It is only a matter of time before we become irrelevant.

It is a growing sport as evidenced by 60,000 plus sellouts at the Final Four. They are marquee names involved plus the Ivy League. And it's not like football where resources are the primary factor in determining winners and losers. Lacrosse programs, especially established programs, have name and tradition to recruit the best players. And oh yes, academics. Because lacrosse attracts Lafayette's historical demographic.

Last spring, the top four statistically best teams at one point were: Lafayette, Princeton, UVA, North Carolina. All the players likely graduate. What's wrong with competing and dedicating our resources to this sport?


Because we'd rather spend 5 mio dollars (according to the school newspaper) on a landscaping project!!  It's all about priorities and egos. When do we get a BOT that's more interested in seeing the school advance than supporting a president build monuments to himself??
Franks Tanks

Pard4Life wrote:
Well we were blown out. But I was surprised to read it because the score was buried in the last paragraph of the story and we reeled off five straight goals. Guess the SID worked his magic if you didn't read the whole thing.

The gap between us and them in lacrosse will only get wider. Lehigh is starting to score premier Canadians and add scholarships (right?) along with Bucknell.

Lacrosse is a premier college sport and the window is closing. Michigan is adding a program in DI in 2012. Major colleges like Florida play club. It is only a matter of time before we become irrelevant.

It is a growing sport as evidenced by 60,000 plus sellouts at the Final Four. They are marquee names involved plus the Ivy League. And it's not like football where resources are the primary factor in determining winners and losers. Lacrosse programs, especially established programs, have name and tradition to recruit the best players. And oh yes, academics. Because lacrosse attracts Lafayette's historical demographic.

Last spring, the top four statistically best teams at one point were: Lafayette, Princeton, UVA, North Carolina. All the players likely graduate. What's wrong with competing and dedicating our resources to this sport?


Spot on.  There of course is a professional Lacrosse league, but the pay is rather low and most Lacrosse players will end their career with college.  Therefore they want to attend academically presitgious schools which can prepare them for a career outside of the modest pro opportunities offered by their sport.  Also many of the top Lacrosse players already reside in the type of demographic that would attend Lafayette even if Lacrosse were removed.  Basically most Lacrosse players are squarely in our income and geographic sweet spot, yet we struggle attracting players and producing winning teams. I don't get it.

As large schools with quality academics like Michigan add the sport things will only get worse.  Now is the time to upgrade Lacrosse and build a winning tradition.  However, we will probably watch our conference mates make a move while we get thrashed.
cr

Re: Taps...

[quote="Franks Tanks:17498"]
Andy wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
As I sit upon the shore, I watch this listing vessel hurl towards the nevermore...

Going.
Going.
Gone.

What the hell happened this season?  

I also love how we know we lost the game when the SID dances around the facts with a well-worded intro for every sport, or say we battled hard or outscored somebody for a quarter or over a spurt.  It does get boring saying "Lafayette lost" everyday.


Our competitors are bolstering their programs with scholarships. What will be Lafayette's response?  Outside of the first half of last season LC Lax has historically been a joke.  Do you see prospects for a change?

One becomes numb to all the losing.

While we're asking questions (pls excuse the hi-jack to FB):

How and why exactly is a successful football program with a $4.5 million budget and a $30 million facility allowed to be destroyed from within by sinking to 42 equivalencies?   INSANITY!![/quote]

Just as insane as allowing a Men's basketball program coming off two NCAA appearances die from lack of scholarships for a few years.  Fran and Frank built up their respective programs only to see them fall back solely due to lack of funding.

It is just flat out stupid.  Just as stupid as Holy Cross and Colgate banning their top 5 I-AA football teams from the playoffs in the 80's.  Just as stupid as all of our PL schools thinking we could be just like the Ivies, but without the prestige and money.


The presidents are totally clueless on athletics and with a jerk like Weis leading the pack we are doomed.  BUT, keep fighting the battle.  Harass them
Andy

Lax is being played at more HSs than ever, but isnt it still mostly played by kids from well to do backgrounds, making the scholarships offered by our competitiors extremely effective?    To compete without scholarships  we'd need more need based aid and an enhanced recruiting effort to find qualified kids.  Going to Canada for players is a good strategy employed by Taunters. Presumably the kids are more likely to qualify for aid.  

I agree with many here that there could be good bang for the buck from a successful lax program.   But, of course, it would take a commitment to winning and this is LC.
PardsLax

In my mind, the biggest obstacle to improving the team's success is history.  What top lacrosse player wants to come to a program that has such a rich tradition of not only losing, but being a doormat year after year.  As has probably been established by now, last year was an anomaly.  When being contacted by a school like Lafayette (which many kids have probably never heard of) probably one of first things a high school lacrosse player is go to laxpower.com and check out how the team has done.  2-11 isn't going to be very attractive to the top recruits who are getting wooed by teams in the top 20.  I think this is a major factor in the type of recruits who usually come to Lafayette - kids who didn't get highly recruited by D1 schools.  If you really want to play D1 lacrosse but the phone isn't ringing, Lafayette is maybe your only option.  This isn't the type of situation that lends itself to building successful teams.  So how do you overcome this history of failure?  It is obviously a difficult problem but one path is to hire (and retain) a hungry, dynamic, creative, smart coach who can convince recruits that they want to play for him and that they can be successful.  Lafayette has only had two coaches since 1972, Lawson with a .400 record and Mangan now with a .243 record (29-90).  They are both nice men who care about the players but with a few exceptions have not been able to lure and/or develop a critical mass of great players.  To get a coach with a good track record or a young guy with tons of potential to come to Easton obviously requires resources and solid backing from administration.  As has been stated by others, that is not going to happen and perhaps could not happen at Lafayette.
Lafalum

The truth is we don't even have  academic recruiting visibility in the private schools where a lot of the Lacrosse talent may be. In the private schools near me there NO INTEREST in Lafayette, none, nada. There is interest in Bucknell, Colgate, William and Mary, Richmond and growing interest in Lehigh we are not on the radar!!! Our admissions people do not visit there, ever. The private schools in Maryland as well have no idea who we are!!!
carney2

I still don't understand how a minor non-revenue sport with a limited fan base and following (lacrosse) got its own posting section on this board.  How about women's tennis or men's cross country?  Or golf - at least they've won something.  Why not them?

Yours in perplexed curmudgeondom,
c2
bison137

carney2 wrote:
I still don't understand how a minor non-revenue sport with a limited fan base and following (lacrosse) got its own posting section on this board.  How about women's tennis or men's cross country?  Or golf - at least they've won something.  Why not them?

Yours in perplexed curmudgeondom,
c2



Possible reasons:

1.   It is the strongest Patriot League sport by far - three teams in top 17 nationally.
2.   LC was nationally ranked for much of last year.
3.   Lax is the nation's fastest growing sport by far.
4.   Lax is one of the four biggest college spectator sports in the northeast and at many PL schools.
Pard4Life

It can be a revenue sport. Princeton charged $8 per ticket and they get respectable crowds, more than some Lafayette football games. In fact, they only charge admission to football, men's and women's bball, ice hockey and men's lacrosse. Basically, the four main NCAA sports. We have three of them at the varsity level. I think fans would pay to see top lacrosse.

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