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bethlehempard

The PL so far

The league so far is 12-13. Eight of those losses are to BCS or Big East members. That doesn't include Temple which beat American.
The league has no big wins but there are quality victories over Harvard and Princeton.
The worst loss, Colgate fell to Cornell. Cornell had one D1 win last year.
Other PL victims include the usual suspects: SF PA and SF NY; VMI; Norfolk State; Marist; Brown; Robert Morris and UMBC. Army beat the Air Force Academy.
The big-time losses are to Texas Tech, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Providence, Villanova (two), West Virginia and Michigan.
Other losses not mentioned previously: Boston to Northeastern, Colgate to LaSalle, Lehigh to Canisius.

Penn lost to Delaware State. This looks like a good time for another Palestra win.
bison137

Re: The PL so far

bethlehempard wrote:
The league so far is 12-13. Eight of those losses are to BCS or Big East members. That doesn't include Temple which beat American.
The league has no big wins but there are quality victories over Harvard and Princeton.
The worst loss, Colgate fell to Cornell. Cornell had one D1 win last year.
Other PL victims include the usual suspects: SF PA and SF NY; VMI; Norfolk State; Marist; Brown; Robert Morris and UMBC. Army beat the Air Force Academy.
The big-time losses are to Texas Tech, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Providence, Villanova (two), West Virginia and Michigan.
Other losses not mentioned previously: Boston to Northeastern, Colgate to LaSalle, Lehigh to Canisius.

Penn lost to Delaware State. This looks like a good time for another Palestra win.



Good summary, but I've got to disagree as to no big wins.   Harvard was ranked #25 in the nation when Holy Cross beat them last week, and they were top 30 at the end of last season, after having beaten Cincinnati in the NCAA tournament.  And they have most of their team back this year.  To me that is a big win.   Harvard is not in the same category as Princeton.

Two things have hurt the league.  First, Colgate's Pat Moore, a 5th year player who is arguably their MVP, has missed all games thus far with some sort of injury.  Yes, their loss to Cornell wasn't good - but Cornell should be a lot better this year and has already beaten George Mason on the road.   Cornell got back a 1st team All-Ivy forward (Shonn Miller), who missed all of last year with an injury, which helped them a lot.       And Navy has been missing one of their top two players, Worth Smith, who went down in the Michigan State game with what appeared to be a serious injury.
ed65

Agree with Bison about Harvard.  Please see today's Wall Street Journal for an article about Harvard football and basketball.  The article is quite clear about the Harvard Institutional commitment to athletics.
bethlehempard

Kentucky 40 Boston 35 at the half. Shocker of the year no matter what happens in half two.
bison137

bethlehempard wrote:
Kentucky 40 Boston 35 at the half. Shocker of the year no matter what happens in half two.



Kentucky apparently woke up.   Now up by 20 with 6 minutes left.
bethlehempard

Princeton lost to "Incarnate Word." They moved up to D1 in 2012. Yeah I had to look them up. The school is in San Antonio.

Edited to correct year of move to D1.
bethlehempard

The league is now 20-25 and 0-11 versus the BCS conferences and the Big East. There are no jaw-dropping upsets so far.
Lehigh's 0-4 start is to me a little surprising. Army's 5-0 less so, but they play Duke on Sunday.

**Last year, Boston beat Maryland, then in the ACC now in the Big 10, and Bucknell beat Penn State (technically that counts).
ed65

The PL Men are 5-2 vs. Ivies so far if I read the Composite Results on the PL Website correctly.
Pard4Life

bethlehempard wrote:
The league is now 20-25 and 0-11 versus the BCS conferences and the Big East. There are no jaw-dropping upsets so far.
Lehigh's 0-4 start is to me a little surprising. Army's 5-0 less so, but they play Duke on Sunday.


After pushing Villanova to the brink, Lehigh lost to Rider, Canisus, and Columbia (which is a good team despite losing it's star player for the year).

Bucknell also pushed Villanova to the brink, but then promptly lost to Mt. St. Mary's and Toledo.

So far, only Army and Holy Cross look impressive.

Princeton followed-up our loss by losing to Incarnate Word (bonus points if you even know their location/conference).  And, Penn lost to Delaware State and Rider before playing a relatively close game vs Temple.  Despite our good start, we have not exactly beaten the best of teams.
carney2

The Patriot League is what it is and we should not get excited about OOC performances against top tier programs.  Still, the League appears much improved, and every game after New year's Day could be a dog fight.
NewXbo

carney2 wrote:
The Patriot League is what it is and we should not get excited about OOC performances against top tier programs.  Still, the League appears much improved, and every game after New year's Day could be a dog fight.


Spot on Carney. God, I believe I said that.
bison137

Pard4Life wrote:


Bucknell also pushed Villanova to the brink, but then promptly lost to Mt. St. Mary's and Toledo.




I wouldn't group Mt. St. Mary's and Toledo together.  Mt. St. Mary's is at best a mediocre team, and that was a bad loss for Bucknell.   Toledo otoh won 27 games last year and has almost all of their players back.   They are the preseason favorite in the MAC for good reason.    The margin of defeat was too large - but I don't think anyone expected Bucknell to win that game.
Kpard

bison137 wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:


Bucknell also pushed Villanova to the brink, but then promptly lost to Mt. St. Mary's and Toledo.




I wouldn't group Mt. St. Mary's and Toledo together.  Mt. St. Mary's is at best a mediocre team, and that was a bad loss for Bucknell.   Toledo otoh won 27 games last year and has almost all of their players back.   They are the preseason favorite in the MAC for good reason.    The margin of defeat was too large - but I don't think anyone expected Bucknell to win that game.



The margins of loss/victory are deceiving anyway. Bucknell got beat by 20+ @ Michigan, took Villanova down to the wire, and Villanova beat Michgan last night. It doesn't compute completely.
Bison are struggling with a lot of youngsters right now.
bethlehempard

Lehigh 72-64 over DePaul with 5 minutes left.
If PL teams could make trades, is there anybody we wouldn't give up to get Kempton? No.
bethlehempard

Lehigh 86 DePaul 74. First PL win over a major-conference opponent, and on the road against a Big East team.
bison137

bethlehempard wrote:
Lehigh 86 DePaul 74. First PL win over a major-conference opponent, and on the road against a Big East team.



It's a nice win - but not terribly surprising.  DePaul is the worst Big East team -and prior to the game was ranked lower than American, Lafayette, Army, Holy Cross, and Boston U.   At home, they were only a 7-point favorite.  As of tomorrow's rankings, DePaul will be lower than #200.

This win, while nice, was nowhere near as good a win as HC beating Harvard.   Yale, btw, is a much better team right now than DePaul.
bethlehempard

The main difference is: Lehigh won handily.
Lafayette was blown out and was never in the game in the second half, not even late in the first half. Yale is not even the Ivy favorite.
It happens. It's a matter of how often it will happen.
The lack rebounding is accepted around here. It's our style.
bethlehempard

DePaul is now 6-1 with a win over Stanford. Lehigh's first win is still the league's only victory over a BCS/Big East team. The Brown haven't lost since.
Harvard is also 6-1.
Pard4Life

Back of the envelope power rankings:

1)  Army
2)  Lafayette
3)  Lehigh
4)  Holy Cross
5)  Bucknell
6)  Boston U
7)  American
Cool  Loyola
9)  Colgate
10) Navy

Six of Colgate's losses have been by a combined 29 pts, so 5 pts per game.  Can't get lucky!
bison137

American is significantly better than Bucknell, Boston, or Lehigh right now.  Definitely a gap between the top four and the next three.
Pard4Life

bison137 wrote:
American is significantly better than Bucknell, Boston, or Lehigh right now.  Definitely a gap between the top four and the next three.


What makes you say that about American? Their stats are not that great and they have wins and losses against marginal competition.  Lehigh beat DePaul and has four in a row.
NewXbo

bethlehempard wrote:
The main difference is: Lehigh won handily.
Lafayette was blown out and was never in the game in the second half, not even late in the first half. Yale is not even the Ivy favorite.
It happens. It's a matter of how often it will happen.
The lack rebounding is accepted around here. It's our style.


I have trouble figuring out if you are a Lafayette or Lehigh fan.
NotGordonAustin

Pard4Life wrote:
bison137 wrote:
American is significantly better than Bucknell, Boston, or Lehigh right now.  Definitely a gap between the top four and the next three.


What makes you say that about American? Their stats are not that great and they have wins and losses against marginal competition.  Lehigh beat DePaul and has four in a row.


Because our defense has been outstanding, and we've got a 5-4 record despite playing just one game at home so far, with significant injuries to our front court and without getting much of anything so far out of our center position. We've beaten all the teams we were supposed to beat (including a decisive win over Brown, which beat Providence on Monday), and don't have any bad losses (Temple, Louisiana Tech, Columbia, Illinois). If we didn't shoot abominably bad against Temple, we'd have won that game, too.
bison137

Pard4Life wrote:
bison137 wrote:
American is significantly better than Bucknell, Boston, or Lehigh right now.  Definitely a gap between the top four and the next three.


What makes you say that about American? Their stats are not that great and they have wins and losses against marginal competition.  Lehigh beat DePaul and has four in a row.



Other than a win over a so-so DePaul team, LU's other two wins were very close wins over bad teams.  DePaul did have a nice upset win over Stanford but its other five wins are against weak teams, and DePaul has been an awful team (by power-conference standards) for the past six years.   Over that time, they wouldn't have been the best team in the PL even once.  I will be surprised if they are better than mediocre this year when all is said and done.

AU hasn't been great but their overall body of work thus far is better than that of LU (or Bucknell or Boston).  Also I give American credit for having 8 of their top 9 players back from last year's championship team), plus a pretty good transfer center.  I think they have underachieved to some extent.

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