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Pard94

This article makes me as optimistic as I've been in years...

I don't know about you all but I have had this sinking feeling that at some point Tavani is going to say "Enough of this new fangled passing attack" and we were going to revert back to our old philosphy of 2 1/2 yards and a cloud of synthetic field turf material. After reading this article it is clear to me that Tavani is loving it! He's like a kid with a new toy. He seems to even admit that he was too stubborn in his old mindset and he needed someone on his staff with a bit more of a progressive attitude (great leadership). And even though it is just a passing sentence in this article I also believe that Heffner moving on was a good thing. As I said, great O-line coach, but he thought too much like Tavani. It makes sense...if you have an old tailback and an old o-lineman calling the shots...your going to get running back up the gut more often than not. Props to Tavani for losening his grip on the offense.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...ayette.7045558oct07,0,72588.story
Franks Tanks

Re: This article makes me as optimistic as I've been in year

Pard94 wrote:
I don't know about you all but I have had this sinking feeling that at some point Tavani is going to say "Enough of this new fangled passing attack" and we were going to revert back to our old philosphy of 2 1/2 yards and a cloud of synthetic field turf material. After reading this article it is clear to me that Tavani is loving it! He's like a kid with a new toy. He seems to even admit that he was too stubborn in his old mindset and he needed someone on his staff with a bit more of a progressive attitude (great leadership). And even though it is just a passing sentence in this article I also believe that Heffner moving on was a good thing. As I said, great O-line coach, but he thought too much like Tavani. It makes sense...if you have an old tailback and an old o-lineman calling the shots...your going to get running back up the gut more often than not. Props to Tavani for losening his grip on the offense.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...ayette.7045558oct07,0,72588.story


Kudos to Frank for keeping an open mind and brining Fein in to begin with.

Those who know Frank well know that he isnt the best X's and O's guy.  You wont find him locked in his office watching film all night like a John Gruden.  However, Frank is a great leader for this program and has yet again made some great asst. coaching hires that have and will result in continued success.
Pard94

Re: This article makes me as optimistic as I've been in year

Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
I don't know about you all but I have had this sinking feeling that at some point Tavani is going to say "Enough of this new fangled passing attack" and we were going to revert back to our old philosphy of 2 1/2 yards and a cloud of synthetic field turf material. After reading this article it is clear to me that Tavani is loving it! He's like a kid with a new toy. He seems to even admit that he was too stubborn in his old mindset and he needed someone on his staff with a bit more of a progressive attitude (great leadership). And even though it is just a passing sentence in this article I also believe that Heffner moving on was a good thing. As I said, great O-line coach, but he thought too much like Tavani. It makes sense...if you have an old tailback and an old o-lineman calling the shots...your going to get running back up the gut more often than not. Props to Tavani for losening his grip on the offense.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...ayette.7045558oct07,0,72588.story


Kudos to Frank for keeping an open mind and brining Fein in to begin with.

Those who know Frank well know that he isnt the best X's and O's guy.  You wont find him locked in his office watching film all night like a John Gruden.  However, Frank is a great leader for this program and has yet again made some great asst. coaching hires that have and will result in continued success.


If Frank maintains this mentality I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that Fanke may have added an additional 5 years minumum to his career at Lafayette. Not sure how Carney feels about that.  Wink
Andy

Again, Reinhard gives good info: 26 Columbia seniors!  That's a lot of collective losses to LC.  With the Lions feeling good about themselves I'm sure talk of avenging those losses is in the air. Should be a good contest.  Cant wait for Saturday, GO PARDS!  

(note to self: send donation to Friends of Football)
Pard4Life

Andy wrote:
Again, Reinhard gives good info: 26 Columbia seniors!  That's a lot of collective losses to LC.  With the Lions feeling good about themselves I'm sure talk of avenging those losses is in the air. Should be a good contest.  Cant wait for Saturday, GO PARDS!  

(note to self: send donation to Friends of Football)


Good idea, they need the support.
carney2

Re: This article makes me as optimistic as I've been in year

Pard94 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
I don't know about you all but I have had this sinking feeling that at some point Tavani is going to say "Enough of this new fangled passing attack" and we were going to revert back to our old philosphy of 2 1/2 yards and a cloud of synthetic field turf material. After reading this article it is clear to me that Tavani is loving it! He's like a kid with a new toy. He seems to even admit that he was too stubborn in his old mindset and he needed someone on his staff with a bit more of a progressive attitude (great leadership). And even though it is just a passing sentence in this article I also believe that Heffner moving on was a good thing. As I said, great O-line coach, but he thought too much like Tavani. It makes sense...if you have an old tailback and an old o-lineman calling the shots...your going to get running back up the gut more often than not. Props to Tavani for losening his grip on the offense.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...ayette.7045558oct07,0,72588.story


Kudos to Frank for keeping an open mind and brining Fein in to begin with.

Those who know Frank well know that he isnt the best X's and O's guy.  You wont find him locked in his office watching film all night like a John Gruden.  However, Frank is a great leader for this program and has yet again made some great asst. coaching hires that have and will result in continued success.


If Frank maintains this mentality I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that Fanke may have added an additional 5 years minumum to his career at Lafayette. Not sure how Carney feels about that.  Wink


Things are going well.  Nothing to gripe about, so just keep kicking carney.

Would love some "insider" information.  Exactly how does play calling get accomplished with this team.  Do the calls go directly from Fein to Curley or is there a Frank filter in there?  I'm sure that Frank gets involved some of the time.  Can anyone make a knowledgeable guess as to how often that might be?  "Situations" only?

As for adding "5 years minimum to his career at Lafayette," you may be right.  My abacus says that he will be 61 or 62 when the current contract expires in 2014.  Five more years from there would not be a stretch.  Let's withhold judgment on Air Tavani until we've been through some tougher times, such as;

playing with a QB that he doesn't trust as much as he seems (unbelievably after last year) to trust Curley;

for instance, how will it go with an inexperienced Andrew Shoop at the controls who is reputedly deficient in enemy identification techniques;

a few interceptions;

a loss or two.

Has the old Leopard really changed his spots, or is he just riding the wave?

Whatever.  Like you, I'm enjoying the moment.
Pards Rule

Yes - they had a very nice tent setup with food, beer and wine up in New Haven and anyone wearing maroon within hailing distance was welcomed into it. I met Bourger for the first time! It was a great weekend up there (my first time at New Haven or Yale) and appreciated the hospitality extended by Friends of Football and Maroon Club.
Franks Tanks

Re: This article makes me as optimistic as I've been in year

carney2 wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
I don't know about you all but I have had this sinking feeling that at some point Tavani is going to say "Enough of this new fangled passing attack" and we were going to revert back to our old philosphy of 2 1/2 yards and a cloud of synthetic field turf material. After reading this article it is clear to me that Tavani is loving it! He's like a kid with a new toy. He seems to even admit that he was too stubborn in his old mindset and he needed someone on his staff with a bit more of a progressive attitude (great leadership). And even though it is just a passing sentence in this article I also believe that Heffner moving on was a good thing. As I said, great O-line coach, but he thought too much like Tavani. It makes sense...if you have an old tailback and an old o-lineman calling the shots...your going to get running back up the gut more often than not. Props to Tavani for losening his grip on the offense.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...ayette.7045558oct07,0,72588.story


Kudos to Frank for keeping an open mind and brining Fein in to begin with.

Those who know Frank well know that he isnt the best X's and O's guy.  You wont find him locked in his office watching film all night like a John Gruden.  However, Frank is a great leader for this program and has yet again made some great asst. coaching hires that have and will result in continued success.


If Frank maintains this mentality I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that Fanke may have added an additional 5 years minumum to his career at Lafayette. Not sure how Carney feels about that.  Wink


Things are going well.  Nothing to gripe about, so just keep kicking carney.

Would love some "insider" information.  Exactly how does play calling get accomplished with this team.  Do the calls go directly from Fein to Curley or is there a Frank filter in there?  I'm sure that Frank gets involved some of the time.  Can anyone make a knowledgeable guess as to how often that might be?  "Situations" only?

As for adding "5 years minimum to his career at Lafayette," you may be right.  My abacus says that he will be 61 or 62 when the current contract expires in 2014.  Five more years from there would not be a stretch.  Let's withhold judgment on Air Tavani until we've been through some tougher times, such as;

playing with a QB that he doesn't trust as much as he seems (unbelievably after last year) to trust Curley;

for instance, how will it go with an inexperienced Andrew Shoop at the controls who is reputedly deficient in enemy identification techniques;

a few interceptions;

a loss or two.

Has the old Leopard really changed his spots, or is he just riding the wave?

Whatever.  Like you, I'm enjoying the moment.


As I expressed before that I was injured with a torn ACL and out for the year during my career. At that time I stood on the sidelines and was really able to observe what went on (when you are playing you only care about doing your job and are getting coached up so no time for observation).

Anyway the way it worked in the past and probably the way it works now is this.  The OC calls the game and Frank interjects every so often with what he would like to see. For example Frank may say something like this on a 3rd down "If we get a first down here I want to take a shot down field on 1st down"  or " I want such and such a play on 3rd and goal if it comes to that" or "keep running the ball all day-- I dont want another pass on 1st down until I say so". Basically Frank let the OC call the game, but if he felt a certain play or type of play would be very beneficial in a situation he would tell the OC to dial it up.  This would happen a handful of times a game.  He may be more or less vocal with Fein-- I would have no idea.
Lafalum

Andy wrote:
 

(note to self: send donation to Friends of Football)


That's how its getting done for all the sports on the Hill. If I had my way anyone who posts here and is related to the program (an an alum, parent, or fan) should donate something. Having some skin in the game makes it little more exciting, in the stands and on the boards.
This is a very interesting game....it has the elements of revenge for Columbia, Columbia is a program getting better and wanting to prove it, and we want to establish ourselves as well. We are at home, under the lights.....can we rent the Liberty Band and dress them in Maroon?
( I guess that was insensitive, our guys have been getting better)
Kiltedpard

I am getting a little nervous about this Columbia team. I hope we are up, ready , and not peaking ahead.

I did have one stupid thought pop into my head. While watching the replay of the Yale smack down on Monday, the RCN boys were showing the different helmets and the one currently used by Curley.
My question is this. If the guy had a history of getting his bell rung last year (and before), why do you wait until he gets his bell rung this year to decide to give him a more appropriate helmet to prevent it? Shouldn't he have had it from the get go?

Go Pards!
Pard94

Better still...why not make the super duper protective helmet the helmet for the entire team? God forbid we get a little pro-active in our effort to fight brain injuries. I wondered that too as they were doing that little piece. Perhaps those helmets are really expensive.
carney2

Kiltedpard wrote:
I did have one stupid thought pop into my head. While watching the replay of the Yale smack down on Monday, the RCN boys were showing the different helmets and the one currently used by Curley.
My question is this. If the guy had a history of getting his bell rung last year (and before), why do you wait until he gets his bell rung this year to decide to give him a more appropriate helmet to prevent it? Shouldn't he have had it from the get go?

Go Pards!


This from Paul Reinhard:

"There's no sure-fire way to assure players will [not] be be concussed, but, with the help of funds provided by the Friends of Lafayette Football, Curley and sophomore wideout Greg Stripe, who also was hurt against Liberty and did not play against Penn, were fitted with the latest in helmet design. Curley wore Riddell's Revolution Speed model, while Stripe opted for Schutt's Icon. "Rob's helmet arrived about a half hour before we got on the bus on Friday," Tavani said. "And on Saturday, Stripe came up to me on the sidelines and said, 'This must be a good helmet because I just got rocked.'" Those helmets are not in our budget, but it's great to have the kind of support we have to keep the kids as safe as possible.""

In other words, no money.  And, for those of you who didn't take the previous post about contributing seriously, please note.
Franks Tanks

carney2 wrote:
Kiltedpard wrote:
I did have one stupid thought pop into my head. While watching the replay of the Yale smack down on Monday, the RCN boys were showing the different helmets and the one currently used by Curley.
My question is this. If the guy had a history of getting his bell rung last year (and before), why do you wait until he gets his bell rung this year to decide to give him a more appropriate helmet to prevent it? Shouldn't he have had it from the get go?

Go Pards!


This from Paul Reinhard:

"There's no sure-fire way to assure players will [not] be be concussed, but, with the help of funds provided by the Friends of Lafayette Football, Curley and sophomore wideout Greg Stripe, who also was hurt against Liberty and did not play against Penn, were fitted with the latest in helmet design. Curley wore Riddell's Revolution Speed model, while Stripe opted for Schutt's Icon. "Rob's helmet arrived about a half hour before we got on the bus on Friday," Tavani said. "And on Saturday, Stripe came up to me on the sidelines and said, 'This must be a good helmet because I just got rocked.'" Those helmets are not in our budget, but it's great to have the kind of support we have to keep the kids as safe as possible.""

In other words, no money.  And, for those of you who didn't take the previous post about contributing seriously, please note.


Crazy-- we can pony up 40k a year for a kids tuition, but we cant spend a little more to ensure that 40k investment doesnt get injured.  Nice
Lafalum

You guys are going to rev me up again about budgets etc. We are short trainers...it is inconcievable to me that we can with a good conscience not provide the best equipment and training personnel for our student athletes.
Rienhard is right if it wasn't for the Friends organizaions in all the sports,  I  would add, our athletes would be in a fix. But football in particular is not a sport to cut corners on equipment.
Health and safety should come before before some other things we view as priorities like Art parks, and 1,000,000 dollar gas stations etc!!!
Pard94

I have to imagine the cost difference between a standard helmet and one of these enhanced helmet must be astronimical for us not to have them all around.
Pard94

Well after a little research. Looks like a standard Riddell helmet runs about $175.00. The Riddell helmet mentione in the article is $238-$251 depending upon the size of the helmet.

To invest in enough helmets for the team would run you about $25,000 without any sort of group discount.

Let's see if we divide that up by all of the member on this board...oops...phone's ringing. Got to go!
carney2

I wonder if I can just call up Riddell or the other manufacturer and order one of those super shock absorber helmets(?).  The way you people are beating on me the added protection would be an investment and not an expense.
Pard94

carney2 wrote:
I wonder if I can just call up Riddell or the other manufacturer and order one of those super shock absorber helmets(?).  The way you people are beating on me the added protection would be an investment and not an expense.


Your wounds are largely self-inflicted.
ranger

Friends of Football has proposed buying concussion prevention helmets for the entire team. Cost is $250-$300 depending on which of 3 manufacturers is chosen. Please send your checks with notation FoLF/Helmets. My bet- lots of talk; no checks.
carney2

Speaking of wounds, the Holy Cross folks are getting very upset that I keep referring to their football forces as a "one trick pony."  Thanks, 94.  Your term; I'm just borrowing it.

See, we can create havoc together.  We need to turn more of this venom outward.
Andy

ranger wrote:
Friends of Football has proposed buying concussion prevention helmets for the entire team. Cost is $250-$300 depending on which of 3 manufacturers is chosen. Please send your checks with notation FoLF/Helmets. My bet- lots of talk; no checks.


Thanks for your support of FoF, but I must say I find your post pretty insulting.  Despite paying hefty college tuition bills the last 6 yrs (two kids currently) without a dime of aid from anybody, I've sent annual donations, always via internet thru the Maroon Club link w/ designation for football.  Motivation is an appreciation for the job Tavani has done and the enjoyment derived from watching these kids, not internet cynicism.
Kiltedpard

Pard94 wrote:
Well after a little research. Looks like a standard Riddell helmet runs about $175.00. The Riddell helmet mentione in the article is $238-$251 depending upon the size of the helmet.

To invest in enough helmets for the team would run you about $25,000 without any sort of group discount.

Let's see if we divide that up by all of the member on this board...oops...phone's ringing. Got to go!


...and all this from the school that allegedly invented the thing!!!!!
cr

The President of Riddel is a former Red Raider Linebacker. Laughing
Pard94

cr wrote:
The President of Riddel is a former Red Raider Linebacker. Laughing


It's not uncommon to see a Colgate alum succeeding upon a path blazed by a Lafayette alum (George Barclay, Inventor of the football helmet).  Very Happy
carney2

Just a thought, but why doesn't FoLF sell off the "old" Lafayette helmets to raise funds for the newer concussion proof kind?  Don't know if there are legal issues here, but each buyer could sign a waiver stating that the helmet purchased will be used for display purposes only and will never be used in competition.  Don't know about you, but I'd buy one - for display purposes only.
TheRock90

I'll buy you one Carney, if you promise to wear it during the home games.
DaveR

carney2 wrote:
Just a thought, but why doesn't FoLF sell off the "old" Lafayette helmets to raise funds for the newer concussion proof kind?  Don't know if there are legal issues here, but each buyer could sign a waiver stating that the helmet purchased will be used for display purposes only and will never be used in competition.  Don't know about you, but I'd buy one - for display purposes only.


Carney,
I thought you needed the new kind  Laughing :

carney2 wrote:
I wonder if I can just call up Riddell or the other manufacturer and order one of those super shock absorber helmets(?).  The way you people are beating on me the added protection would be an investment and not an expense.
carney2

DaveR wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Just a thought, but why doesn't FoLF sell off the "old" Lafayette helmets to raise funds for the newer concussion proof kind?  Don't know if there are legal issues here, but each buyer could sign a waiver stating that the helmet purchased will be used for display purposes only and will never be used in competition.  Don't know about you, but I'd buy one - for display purposes only.


Carney,
I thought you needed the new kind  Laughing :

carney2 wrote:
I wonder if I can just call up Riddell or the other manufacturer and order one of those super shock absorber helmets(?).  The way you people are beating on me the added protection would be an investment and not an expense.


And the hits just keep on coming.  Amd to think that I could have attended Lehigh.

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