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BillS

Villanova

Will the Villanova game be the turning point on our season?
flyfisher

I think things have the potential to get positive after Villanova. I think we will be competitive in a lot of games going forward. We were very competitive yesterday. Definite improvement over last year. We have a lot of seniors with experience. It showed yesterday. I think we can win a couple more games, maybe even get an upset along the way. We should have good opportunities against BU, GT, Lehigh, and HC.
Pards Rule

FF, we have nothing to lose. Spread has to be 20+...Were at home. Pull out the trick plays, I dont know. I was certainly mollified by the effort shown yesterday and that we more than covered spread and were in it until mid 4th, unlike last years Princeton game. The O finally spread the fricking field and the D was stout in most instances. A platform to build on. Lets crank it up vs Nova. If this upset happens, it would make a world of difference in morale going forward!
bethlehempard

Massey ratings:
1-NDSU (of course)
9-Harvard
19-Villanova*
23-Colgate*
28-Fordham*
39-(tie) Delaware*
47-Princeton*
50-Lehigh*
53-Holy Cross*
66-Georgetown*
79-Bucknell*
92-Lafayette
93-(tie) Columbia
98-Central Connecticut*
125th and last: Mississippi Valley State.

* 2016 opponent. Army excluded (69th in FBS). The MEAC, PFL and SWAC tend to be ranked below Lafayette.
flyfisher

We will win again this year.
artanis

Without a somewhat reliable running game, losses will continue. QB made some nice throws and extended some plays but the defense will need to contribute a score (or special teams) to offset the inability of offense to be balanced.

Nothing the same since '09.
killaBee

None of the teams we have faced seem to be light years ahead of us.  

Im not sure what this teams identity is.... The offense looks good at times, the defense looks good at times; however, we need both off/def. to play good for 4 quarters.  

The way we are losing is similar to a moth on a light,  we are right there and need to cross over in to the WIN ZONE.  

I do not  think Villanova will be an elite team, nor am I sold on an elite CAA conference.  Every team has strengths and weaknesses, we just need play to our potential and exploit our strengths and learn to win the game.

The Leopards will beat down the kittens...
artanis

Just an outsider's point of view, but the Leopards are better than 2015 mainly because they're healthier than last season. The schedule is tough and the only realistic possibility for wins lies with offensively challenged Bucknell, and maybe schizophrenic HC. Even Georgetown looks daunting....again, unless the run game emerges.
LeopardBall10

artanis wrote:
Just an outsider's point of view, but the Leopards are better than 2015 mainly because they're healthier than last season. The schedule is tough and the only realistic possibility for wins lies with offensively challenged Bucknell, and maybe schizophrenic HC. Even Georgetown looks daunting....again, unless the run game emerges.


You're not wrong. Last year was historically bad because it was a mediocre team (with good talnet IMO) that had depth issues. Now we are back to being a mediocre team (again with very good talent) that is relatively healthy. Unfortunately run games don't just emerge. Not after 5 or 6 years of confusing or struggling scheme.

The team played well against Princeton, but without a running game we allowed them to turn us one dimensional in the second half, and couldn't give our D a break. That is one area that gets overlooked the most when talking about a run game. The major difference between an offense that runs 100 plays with only 20 runs in a game and one that runs 70 plays with 35 of them runs is that the second one is on the filed almost twice as much, keeping the D fresh and limiting opposing chances.

Now on to Nova, who impressed me when they played Pitt and then Lehigh. It is near impossible to redirect a rudderless ship in midstream, so I think we definitely need to resort to pulling out all the stops on family weekend. Trick plays, some "cute" personnel packages, things that haven't been on film yet. Whatever it takes. If we don't have a run play designed for 4th and 1 because we are never under center, maybe you need to create a package just for that. If it is brand new you would be able to catch them off guard, and there would be no known tendencies for it.
Andy

Last week at 0 - 2 you Lehigh guys were screaming for your coach to go. Now, everything's beautiful?  Not sure we want to include  you in a list of unbeatables.

Pards were 18 point dogs, lost by a few.  I' m looking for some surprises from these kids.  

Princeton ran what appeared to be the same inside zone from pistol/gun for good yardage.  Huge holes.  They just execute it better.

Disappointments - "wasted series" asMike J called it up 14-7, with a QB run (busted play?) and the inevitable inside zone.  I believe we had 3 series with the 14 point lead, failure. Then the failure to go for 2 points, hoping to set up your excellent FG kicker to tie. Answer - " we were focused on getting the ball back" or some such nonsense. That's scary.
Andy

The inability to teach your kids how to run your chosen scheme effectively seems like a failure of coaching somewhere along the line (no pun intended). Choosing not to make changes is endemic.

CJ, so talented. I'm hoping he's still learning the zone plays.
killaBee

I think we need Defensive scores as well as Special Team scores.  We need to be more aggressive,  I watched Princeton's players push and shove our players.

I did not hear/see 1 block on Punt Team or Kick Off.  Not many players on the turf from the other team...  Offense or Defense..

We don't seem to put any fear in other teams..  yes we fight, but we need to get Mad and look within and fight...

Attitude!!! A Chip on the shoulder..  Stop going through the motions and Hit somebody on Offense and Defense..
bethlehempard

FT has to:

1-explain the two-point decision (which I think is impossible)
Or
2-Admit an error in the heat of the moment and move on.
It happens.

That, and say the staff has discussed it and learned from it and maybe that Professor Pointdexter of the math department will stand on the sidelines with the chart and advise him.

I wonder what the parents of freshmen and potential recruits thought about that brain freeze.

Ultimately it didn't directly affect the outcome (and if it had, would there have been repercussions? No!) and losing to a good Princeton team by four isn't the worst thing we've done.

How 10 coaches let that happen, and a lot of smart players didn't speak up, it's just weird.

On to Nova ... On to Nova ....
Andy

killaBee wrote:
I think we need Defensive scores as well as Special Team scores.  We need to be more aggressive,  I watched Princeton's players push and shove our players.

I did not hear/see 1 block on Punt Team or Kick Off.  Not many players on the turf from the other team...  Offense or Defense..

We don't seem to put any fear in other teams..  yes we fight, but we need to get Mad and look within and fight...

Attitude!!! A Chip on the shoulder..  Stop going through the motions and Hit somebody on Offense and Defense..


Hinchen got a little fiesty early on, drawing that ridiculous PF call.

Decisions on Kick return have been questionable, but def agree blocking has been poor, defenders crashing in from the outside untouched.
1990honda

The first personal foul call was a mistake by the official. After the play, a Princeton player shoved Brandon and he fell into the legs of another Princeton player. The official saw Brandon falling into the other player but missed the shove. It kept a drive alive for them that resulted in a score.
LeopardBall10

Andy wrote:
Princeton ran what appeared to be the same inside zone from pistol/gun for good yardage.  Huge holes.  They just execute it better.


I would tend to disagree, but then again I haven't broken down any tape of Princeton in a few years. Over the last few years Princeton has run the most dynamic, challenging offense I have seen outside of Colgate from a scheme perspective. Because of their depth they are able to run any of their plays out of any personnel grouping creating matchup nightmares on D. When they are in the Pistol Princton runs true read plays which freeze the D and can put them off balance. But for a mjority of their offense the line up in shotgun with the back as a side car, not directly behind the QB in Pistol.

And now for some chalk talk...


Out of the shotgun offense they tend to run true inside zone, which is designed to hit front side A Gap (between the center and guard). This means the OL first step is forward, working zone combos to backers which is what caused so many of those big holes we saw Saturday.

On the other side our offense has utilized the stretch play, or outside zone, as their primary running play. Don't let the name fool you, the outside zone is not supposed to hit all the way outside, but is designed to hit more off tackle, but could be bounced outside if played correctly (i.e. what Ross Schuerman was able to do his entire career). The difference is in the first step for the OL, where instead of going forward they are now working at an angle, more laterally, attempting to reach the DL. This is where they have struggled. Our OL are big strong kids, but are not fast enough to beat the DL to a spot, causing penetration, and the failed outside Zone. Because unlike the Inside Zone, which is typically seen as also creating great cutback lanes for a runner with good vision, if you try to cutback on the stretch the play is over.
Andy

Not a coach, but I've seen primarily A gap plays this year with Brown and CJ. Not the outside play we saw vs Lehigh and Ross. He was running a counter as well, wasn't he.  Ive been watching the Princeton replay on an ipad, difficult to replay individual plays, but I'll try to zero in on their plays I mentioned and you can school me if you would. Clearly they run a bizarre offense. With the talent available to them, seems unnecessary.
Pards Rule

bethlehempard wrote:
FT has to:

1-explain the two-point decision (which I think is impossible)
Or
2-Admit an error in the heat of the moment and move on.
It happens.

That, and say the staff has discussed it and learned from it and maybe that Professor Pointdexter of the math department will stand on the sidelines with the chart and advise him.

I wonder what the parents of freshmen and potential recruits thought about that brain freeze.

Ultimately it didn't directly affect the outcome (and if it had, would there have been repercussions? No!) and losing to a good Princeton team by four isn't the worst thing we've done.

How 10 coaches let that happen, and a lot of smart players didn't speak up, it's just weird.

On to Nova ... On to Nova ....


"Ah, well my chart was wet and smeared and I couldnt read that we should have gone for 2 in that situation"  Who actually said that?
pardfan

Nova held Pitt to no gains of 20-plus yards (on one play) in the entire game.  Only two teams in the nation that weekend were similarly throttled. (So said the announcer in the Pitt-PSU game.)
This is going to be one tough contest.
Bogus Megapardus

Sportsbook is up:

Princeton (pk) at Lehigh o/u 66

Fordham (-4) vs Penn o/u 77

Dartmouth (-Cool at Holy Cross o/u 52

Harvard (-16) at Brown o/u 61

Georgetown (-1˝) vs Columbia o/u 34

Bucknell (-1) vs VMI o/u 43

Yale (-9˝) at Cornell o/u 50

Richmond (-16) vs Colgate o/u 54

Villanova (-20) at Lafayette o/u 37
zenator

Andy wrote:
The inability to teach your kids how to run your chosen scheme effectively seems like a failure of coaching somewhere along the line (no pun intended). Choosing not to make changes is endemic.

CJ, so talented. I'm hoping he's still learning the zone plays.


The problem is mainly on offense. It starts with the scheme not fitting the personnel. It is magnified by the poor play calling, which basically consists of running on first down, running on second down and passing on third down with 7 yards or more needed for the first. We should be using the pass to set up the run IMO
LeopardBall10

Andy wrote:
Not a coach, but I've seen primarily A gap plays this year with Brown and CJ. Not the outside play we saw vs Lehigh and Ross. He was running a counter as well, wasn't he.  Ive been watching the Princeton replay on an ipad, difficult to replay individual plays, but I'll try to zero in on their plays I mentioned and you can school me if you would. Clearly they run a bizarre offense. With the talent available to them, seems unnecessary.


Yes, they typically do run a counter as their secondary run. This is Stan's favorite play. But the Counter, the way Stan teaches it is so different (and less affective) than the Power of Heff and Faragali because of the scheme. In the current Counter, there is no backside help. They pull the guard and tackle and other than a balck back from the center have no way to stop the DE from coming down the line and making the play for -1. That may have worked in the old school NFL when everyone was under center and the counter hit too fast for a DE, but as soon as you run that counter from the shotgun the play is dead.

And you may be correct focusing more on the A gap runs in the Princeton game, like I said I didn't break down the film. I was talking more in generalities, game plans change from week to week depending on the defense you are facing. But it may be that a major part of the issue is where those runs are hitting (if CJ and Brown are running them inside) and they are supposed to be hitting C gap) but I wouldn't know that without sitting in a meeting room with Mickey and a cowboy in my hand. Bottom line is that our scheme does not allow for our big OL to get push. If they cannot get push there are schemes for that too, but then you need to be faster (i.e. stretches, end arounds, cross blocks). And if you can't get push or out move the DL then that's a different issue.

The Princeton Offense is truly remarkable. It may be unnecessary, but they sure do use everyone on the roster. Remember a few years back when they had three QBs on the roster, one of which was left handed. They ran a personnel grouping with all three QBs in the backfield at the same time and could run different plays each way depending on the QB at the time.
SIDELINER

Left-handed QB this week, strong arm, but young receivers. Can young Leopard DBs do the job? According to Paul REINHARD blog, two freshmen started there last week.
Www.ramblingsfromthebench.blogspot.com
Will Villanova bring a crowd? Need home-team support from students and others. Is DeSean Brown back this week?
Where's Tyler West? He seemed to hit holes quicker last year.
edge29

Regardless of inside zone, outside zone, blah blah blah, whatever the problem is they refuse to fix it. Or at the very least Make any sort of adjustments.

Our defense is very good but gets no help from O.  It was better last week but not yet good enough.  Our return game needs improvement.  We have no threat for returning punts.

Fix it.
CHIP72

Pards Rule wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
FT has to:

1-explain the two-point decision (which I think is impossible)
Or
2-Admit an error in the heat of the moment and move on.
It happens.

That, and say the staff has discussed it and learned from it and maybe that Professor Pointdexter of the math department will stand on the sidelines with the chart and advise him.

I wonder what the parents of freshmen and potential recruits thought about that brain freeze.

Ultimately it didn't directly affect the outcome (and if it had, would there have been repercussions? No!) and losing to a good Princeton team by four isn't the worst thing we've done.

How 10 coaches let that happen, and a lot of smart players didn't speak up, it's just weird.

On to Nova ... On to Nova ....


"Ah, well my chart was wet and smeared and I couldnt read that we should have gone for 2 in that situation"  Who actually said that?


The other Brooklyn Brawler (i.e. not Steve Lombardi).
Pardsfriend

Run Scheme

I had a very close look on Saturday, and as a former coach, I saw few, if any A gap run plays.  Without regard to the back, CJ or Mayfield, most if not all runs were stretch to the B And C gaps.  Reed ran a couple of semi read-option plays.  In fact, early in the game, I turned to a guy behind me and said we should be running downhill, straight up man blocking.   We were bigger, stronger, and playing against a scheme based defense dependent on quickness to the ball.  We told our kids when running downhill, your running off that O- line men's behind. I'm in agreement with LB10, find your defender assignment and get a push.   Reaching for a block is providing a smaller defender with time and space to make a play.  We have the size to block people straight up, or on angles to open run lanes.

 Our staff surely sees this on film.  We should test the edge, but that should be the exception, rather than a consistent feature of our stretch scheme and the personnel in this offense.

 I look forward to Saturday and Running with authority against Nova'.
Andy

zenator wrote:
Andy wrote:
The inability to teach your kids how to run your chosen scheme effectively seems like a failure of coaching somewhere along the line (no pun intended). Choosing not to make changes is endemic.

CJ, so talented. I'm hoping he's still learning the zone plays.


The problem is mainly on offense. It starts with the scheme not fitting the personnel. It is magnified by the poor play calling, which basically consists of running on first down, running on second down and passing on third down with 7 yards or more needed for the first. We should be using the pass to set up the run IMO


Good to have you back, zenator.

Noted at halftime, Fran Mustaro says we are at 56 scholarships, FoF trying to raise money for the other four. Sigh.  What happened to 15 per year?  What level do you think Colgate, Lehigh, HC and FU are at?  Why do we always have to do things the hard way? The McCutcheon - Diorio combination coming thru for us as always.
BPard

Andy wrote:
Noted at halftime, Fran Mustaro says we are at 56 scholarships, FoF trying to raise money for the other four. Sigh.  What happened to 15 per year?  What level do you think Colgate, Lehigh, HC and FU are at?  Why do we always have to do things the hard way? The McCutcheon - Diorio combination coming thru for us as always.
WTF?! If this is true, then somebody needs to be fired whether it be in Development or Athletics.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.
Lafalum

BPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Noted at halftime, Fran Mustaro says we are at 56 scholarships, FoF trying to raise money for the other four. Sigh.  What happened to 15 per year?  What level do you think Colgate, Lehigh, HC and FU are at?  Why do we always have to do things the hard way? The McCutcheon - Diorio combination coming thru for us as always.
WTF?! If this is true, then somebody needs to be fired whether it be in Development or Athletics.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.


This is not new news!!!  By the way we still have not hired an executive director for the Maroon Club! When did he give notice...April!!!

By the way in order to get a BCS game you need 57 1/2 and you get paid. ( 175k in the case of Army) Question: who gets the money..is it put in the general school pot or kept with the sport. I think you can guess the answer.
Pards Rule

CHIP72 wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
FT has to:

1-explain the two-point decision (which I think is impossible)
Or
2-Admit an error in the heat of the moment and move on.
It happens.

That, and say the staff has discussed it and learned from it and maybe that Professor Pointdexter of the math department will stand on the sidelines with the chart and advise him.

I wonder what the parents of freshmen and potential recruits thought about that brain freeze.

Ultimately it didn't directly affect the outcome (and if it had, would there have been repercussions? No!) and losing to a good Princeton team by four isn't the worst thing we've done.

How 10 coaches let that happen, and a lot of smart players didn't speak up, it's just weird.

On to Nova ... On to Nova ....


"Ah, well my chart was wet and smeared and I couldnt read that we should have gone for 2 in that situation"  Who actually said that?


The other Brooklyn Brawler (i.e. not Steve Lombardi).


I thought he was from Staten Island lol! Yes, Rich Kotite in like 1991! 25 years ago my God!
Andy

Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Noted at halftime, Fran Mustaro says we are at 56 scholarships, FoF trying to raise money for the other four. Sigh.  What happened to 15 per year?  What level do you think Colgate, Lehigh, HC and FU are at?  Why do we always have to do things the hard way? The McCutcheon - Diorio combination coming thru for us as always.
WTF?! If this is true, then somebody needs to be fired whether it be in Development or Athletics.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.


This is not new news!!!  By the way we still have not hired an executive director for the Maroon Club! When did he give notice...April!!!

By the way in order to get a BCS game you need 57 1/2 and you get paid. ( 175k in the case of Army) Question: who gets the money..is it put in the general school pot or kept with the sport. I think you can guess the answer.


Laf, 56.7. (90% of 63) for game to "count" for the BCS team. I don't know about the getting paid part.

Frank was bemoaning the fact that Gate got $450k for Syracuse game, said that Academies should be paying more.
Lafalum

Andy wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Noted at halftime, Fran Mustaro says we are at 56 scholarships, FoF trying to raise money for the other four. Sigh.  What happened to 15 per year?  What level do you think Colgate, Lehigh, HC and FU are at?  Why do we always have to do things the hard way? The McCutcheon - Diorio combination coming thru for us as always.
WTF?! If this is true, then somebody needs to be fired whether it be in Development or Athletics.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.


This is not new news!!!  By the way we still have not hired an executive director for the Maroon Club! When did he give notice...April!!!

By the way in order to get a BCS game you need 57 1/2 and you get paid. ( 175k in the case of Army) Question: who gets the money..is it put in the general school pot or kept with the sport. I think you can guess the answer.


Laf, 56.7. (90% of 63) for game to "count" for the BCS team. I don't know about the getting paid part.

Frank was bemoaning the fact that Gate got $450k for Syracuse game, said that Academies should be paying more.


Take your word for it. I have heard Rutgers had offered us a similar amount several ago, but I think the BIG TEN may have told their teams not to play FCS schools after the Appalachin State game.
BPard

Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Noted at halftime, Fran Mustaro says we are at 56 scholarships, FoF trying to raise money for the other four. Sigh.  What happened to 15 per year?  What level do you think Colgate, Lehigh, HC and FU are at?  Why do we always have to do things the hard way? The McCutcheon - Diorio combination coming thru for us as always.
WTF?! If this is true, then somebody needs to be fired whether it be in Development or Athletics.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.


This is not new news!!!  By the way we still have not hired an executive director for the Maroon Club! When did he give notice...April!!!

Maybe I misread. I read that note from Andy that we only have 56 scholarships funded. I thought we were already at 59 with FoF (because several alumni are already committed to fully fund more than 2 per year), which is very different than 4 more to go. FoF only funds 4 scholarships per year (right?) so if there's 4 more to go...? What happened to the two that were previously fully funded??

Hopefully this is just a case of the telephone game and I'm reading too much into this.
Andy

BPard wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Noted at halftime, Fran Mustaro says we are at 56 scholarships, FoF trying to raise money for the other four. Sigh.  What happened to 15 per year?  What level do you think Colgate, Lehigh, HC and FU are at?  Why do we always have to do things the hard way? The McCutcheon - Diorio combination coming thru for us as always.
WTF?! If this is true, then somebody needs to be fired whether it be in Development or Athletics.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.


This is not new news!!!  By the way we still have not hired an executive director for the Maroon Club! When did he give notice...April!!!

Maybe I misread. I read that note from Andy that we only have 56 scholarships funded. I thought we were already at 59 with FoF (because several alumni are already committed to fully fund more than 2 per year), which is very different than 4 more to go. FoF only funds 4 scholarships per year (right?) so if there's 4 more to go...? What happened to the two that were previously fully funded??

Hopefully this is just a case of the telephone game and I'm reading too much into this.


Mustaro said we are at 56 with FoF "2/3 of the way" to the total needed to fund 4, at least that was my interpretation. Easily reviewed on the archive broadcast. I will review when we get back from the beach.

Remember there was the obstacle thrown up making FoF fund the scholarship(s) in advance. Maybe Lafalum or others can review that for us.

Fran - "we are raising money to fund the four additional scholarships to get us to PL limit of 60."
BPard

Andy wrote:
Mustaro said we are at 56 with FoF "2/3 of the way" to the total needed to fund 4, at least that was my interpretation. Easily reviewed on the archive broadcast. I will review when we get back from the beach.

Remember there was the obstacle thrown up making FoF fund the scholarship(s) in advance. Maybe Lafalum or others can review that for us.

Fran - "we are raising money to fund the four additional scholarships to get us to PL limit of 60."
Thanks for the clarification.
Lafalum

BPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Mustaro said we are at 56 with FoF "2/3 of the way" to the total needed to fund 4, at least that was my interpretation. Easily reviewed on the archive broadcast. I will review when we get back from the beach.

Remember there was the obstacle thrown up making FoF fund the scholarship(s) in advance. Maybe Lafalum or others can review that for us.

Fran - "we are raising money to fund the four additional scholarships to get us to PL limit of 60."
Thanks for the clarification.


My understanding ( I was not in the room) Originally the "school" wanted the scholarships endowed ( 5,000,000 dollars) My understanding after negotiations they then went to year to year funding after backing down for 4 years up front.
This was done at the highest level.
This was part of a broader discussion by FOF about allocations of expenses. My info is a little stale. These discussions started under Weiss. I am not really up to date. But obviously they are still looking for commitments.
edge29

SIDELINER wrote:

Where's Tyler West? He seemed to hit holes quicker last year.


+1
NewXbo

Andy wrote:
BPard wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Noted at halftime, Fran Mustaro says we are at 56 scholarships, FoF trying to raise money for the other four. Sigh.  What happened to 15 per year?  What level do you think Colgate, Lehigh, HC and FU are at?  Why do we always have to do things the hard way? The McCutcheon - Diorio combination coming thru for us as always.
WTF?! If this is true, then somebody needs to be fired whether it be in Development or Athletics.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.


This is not new news!!!  By the way we still have not hired an executive director for the Maroon Club! When did he give notice...April!!!

Maybe I misread. I read that note from Andy that we only have 56 scholarships funded. I thought we were already at 59 with FoF (because several alumni are already committed to fully fund more than 2 per year), which is very different than 4 more to go. FoF only funds 4 scholarships per year (right?) so if there's 4 more to go...? What happened to the two that were previously fully funded??

Hopefully this is just a case of the telephone game and I'm reading too much into this.


Mustaro said we are at 56 with FoF "2/3 of the way" to the total needed to fund 4, at least that was my interpretation. Easily reviewed on the archive broadcast. I will review when we get back from the beach.

Remember there was the obstacle thrown up making FoF fund the scholarship(s) in advance. Maybe Lafalum or others can review that for us.

Fran - "we are raising money to fund the four additional scholarships to get us to PL limit of 60."






From the 2014 program: "In addition, we received the first Alumni pledges to help fund four football scholarships that Friends of Football has committed to underwrite."
flyfisher

Andy wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Noted at halftime, Fran Mustaro says we are at 56 scholarships, FoF trying to raise money for the other four. Sigh.  What happened to 15 per year?  What level do you think Colgate, Lehigh, HC and FU are at?  Why do we always have to do things the hard way? The McCutcheon - Diorio combination coming thru for us as always.
WTF?! If this is true, then somebody needs to be fired whether it be in Development or Athletics.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.


This is not new news!!!  By the way we still have not hired an executive director for the Maroon Club! When did he give notice...April!!!

By the way in order to get a BCS game you need 57 1/2 and you get paid. ( 175k in the case of Army) Question: who gets the money..is it put in the general school pot or kept with the sport. I think you can guess the answer.


Laf, 56.7. (90% of 63) for game to "count" for the BCS team. I don't know about the getting paid part.

Frank was bemoaning the fact that Gate got $450k for Syracuse game, said that Academies should be paying more.


All these quotes are pretty much on target. there are many more funding issues that the team has. We couldn't even get pads for the weight room a year ago. Maroon Club picks up what they can. I have seen some things up close from the admin side, closer than I wanted to see. You can move the numbers around all you want but we still fall short.
flyfisher

NewXbo wrote:
Andy wrote:
BPard wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
BPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Noted at halftime, Fran Mustaro says we are at 56 scholarships, FoF trying to raise money for the other four. Sigh.  What happened to 15 per year?  What level do you think Colgate, Lehigh, HC and FU are at?  Why do we always have to do things the hard way? The McCutcheon - Diorio combination coming thru for us as always.
WTF?! If this is true, then somebody needs to be fired whether it be in Development or Athletics.

You can't keep moving the goalposts.


This is not new news!!!  By the way we still have not hired an executive director for the Maroon Club! When did he give notice...April!!!

Maybe I misread. I read that note from Andy that we only have 56 scholarships funded. I thought we were already at 59 with FoF (because several alumni are already committed to fully fund more than 2 per year), which is very different than 4 more to go. FoF only funds 4 scholarships per year (right?) so if there's 4 more to go...? What happened to the two that were previously fully funded??

Hopefully this is just a case of the telephone game and I'm reading too much into this.


Mustaro said we are at 56 with FoF "2/3 of the way" to the total needed to fund 4, at least that was my interpretation. Easily reviewed on the archive broadcast. I will review when we get back from the beach.

Remember there was the obstacle thrown up making FoF fund the scholarship(s) in advance. Maybe Lafalum or others can review that for us.

Fran - "we are raising money to fund the four additional scholarships to get us to PL limit of 60."






From the 2014 program: "In addition, we received the first Alumni pledges to help fund four football scholarships that Friends of Football has committed to underwrite."


And even though FofF will pay for these, what else could they do if they did not have to cover the shortfall from the college? How else could they use those funds?
bethlehempard

The school wanted $5 million per scholarship? That seems high, taking a long view on rates. USC, which was a leader in this field, only asks for about $1 million. Even assuming a 3 percent return, $2 million would be sufficient.
Lafalum

bethlehempard wrote:
The school wanted $5 million per scholarship? That seems high, taking a long view on rates. USC, which was a leader in this field, only asks for about $1 million. Even assuming a 3 percent return, $2 million would be sufficient.


5 milion for the four at 5 % is 250,000 per year which is about 64,000 x four. But that was year's ago and a dead opening proposal.
RichH

No maven at funding schollies but it appears LC seeking a profit to itself. A 4 yr schollie might cost 270,000. So 4 goes for around $1,080,000. So why 5 mil up front?? Where would leftover money go?
bethlehempard

They're looking at it in perpetuity. Rule-of-thumb endowment spending is sometimes cited as 5 percent. So $5 million should generate about $250,000 per year, matching the cost for four free rides annually.
USC asks for $1 million to put your name on the third-string punter's scholarship (or for any others of the many) and they charge about the same annually.
My friend's kid went there, he said the school is known by parents as the University of Spoiled Children.
Anyway leave it to Lafayette to want a little extra. Not a bad policy.
This hasn't been a great year for endowment returns in general. I don't know how LC is doing.
See how poor little Harvard is doing (and imagine relying on student fees for just 20 percent of operating costs):

http://harvardmagazine.com/2016/0...-for-decline-in-harvard-endowment

Now, about Villanova ...
SIDELINER

Here are stories from Tuesday's Media lunch.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...fayette_needs_better_executi.html

www.ramblingsfromthebench.blogspot.com

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...ball-luncheon-20160920-story.html
killaBee

Things are quiet in Leopard Land.  We will have a great day for football Saturday.

I watched the replay of Villanova and Towson and Villanova seems to be a balanced team.  They look big, but Im sure we may be quicker in many positions.

We need to balance our play, both offense and defense for an entire game. Everyone must do their job and concentrate on the details.
Defense and Special teams really need to put points on the board.  

Can anyone explain what a TRAP GAME is?  Ive heard the term, but am not quite sure what it means in terms of football.
Lafalum

A trap game is when a superior team comes to play thinking they have an easy game with an inferior team, but its not the case and they get surprised.
bethlehempard

The ultimate trap game: Jan. 4, 1988 at Kirby Field House. Lafayette's men's basketball team, recently slaughtered at Seton Hall's Walsh Gym, played host to Notre Dame. The Irish had beaten LaSalle two days earlier and were headed for a game at (?) St. John's.  
Lafayette 83 - Notre Dame 68. I've had the good fortune to be at two huge wins, this and the victory over No. 6 Rutgers in Piscataway.
Against Notre Dame, everybody was great. Otis Ellis, 35 points. Matt Roberts kept their big guys off the boards.
History.
LeopardBall10

killaBee wrote:
I watched the replay of Villanova and Towson and Villanova seems to be a balanced team.  They look big, but Im sure we may be quicker in many positions.


This team is definitely big. I watch Nova play Pitt live and was very surprised how little the Nova D got moved around. They were able to contain all ACC Offensive player of the Year James Conner and the rest of that offense for most of 3 quarters. I have a feeling that Drew Reed will need to have an amazing game to keep us in this one, because this Nova defense has the ability to shut down our run game worse that it already has been.
SIDELINER

killaBee wrote:
Things are quiet in Leopard Land.  We will have a great day for football Saturday.

I watched the replay of Villanova and Towson and Villanova seems to be a balanced team.  They look big, but Im sure we may be quicker in many positions.

We need to balance our play, both offense and defense for an entire game. Everyone must do their job and concentrate on the details.
Defense and Special teams really need to put points on the board.  

Can anyone explain what a TRAP GAME is?  Ive heard the term, but am not quite sure what it means in terms of football.


Where were you able to see that Villanova-Towson game? I'd like to have a look.
killaBee

I set my DVR to record,, and watched it last night.. Not sure when it replayed.
Pardsfriend

Nova'

LeopardBall10 wrote:
killaBee wrote:
I watched the replay of Villanova and Towson and Villanova seems to be a balanced team.  They look big, but Im sure we may be quicker in many positions.


This team is definitely big. I watch Nova play Pitt live and was very surprised how little the Nova D got moved around. They were able to contain all ACC Offensive player of the Year James Conner and the rest of that offense for most of 3 quarters. I have a feeling that Drew Reed will need to have an amazing game to keep us in this one, because this Nova defense has the ability to shut down our run game worse that it already has been.


 I watched parts of the Towson game@Nova.  They have some size on their OL.  However, they don't have the speed from sideline to sideline that UDel displayed two weeks ago.  And overall, UDel looks more physical than Nova, imho.  Their qb is a southpaw.  Their second level on D is similar to our own, again from the limited footage I observed.  In addition, it was tough for me to gauge how competitive Towson was in this game.

 The secondary play looked spirited, and one db returned a pick 100 yards.
ed65

bethlehempard wrote:
The ultimate trap game: Jan. 4, 1988 at Kirby Field House. Lafayette's men's basketball team, recently slaughtered at Seton Hall's Walsh Gym, played host to Notre Dame. The Irish had beaten LaSalle two days earlier and were headed for a game at (?) St. John's.  
Lafayette 83 - Notre Dame 68. I've had the good fortune to be at two huge wins, this and the victory over No. 6 Rutgers in Piscataway.
Against Notre Dame, everybody was great. Otis Ellis, 35 points. Matt Roberts kept their big guys off the boards.
History.


I will never forget the Otis Ellis Game.  My friend from Notre Dame came down to Easton with me and while he was a very good sport, he was tearing his hair out as was Asst Coach Shumate of the Irish.  I thought he was going to have a coronary.  The Game surely rates as one of the greatest LC victories of all time.  I have had several occasions to meet Otis and congratulate him.  I'm sure they would never play us in Easton now.
killaBee

Can anyone explain why Lafayette has never challeged Villanova, since the turn of the century?

Is there bad blood between the two schools?
They are close  and one would think it would have a great turn out.
bethlehempard

Preview: http://www.vuhoops.com/2016/9/21/...opards-wildcats-3-things-to-watch

As for why they didn't play all those years, Nova went to the big time, then dropped the sport after the 1980 season (yielding six transfers to Lafayette who were eligible immediately). Then they came back in 1AA a few years later.
Howie Long was on their last big-time squad.
Yeah it's odd. I don't think it's an issue with the schools. Nova just wasn't a traditional opponent and then was at a higher level or not playing. Curious if anybody knows a real reason.
We didn't play Yale or Harvard much for a long time either.
Lafayette and Penn did have a grudge around 1890 but got over it.
***The Notre Dame basketball game and the 1981 road win over Lehigh in football are my top two Lafayette moments. That was a great night at Kirby. Digger Phelps, David Rivers, VBK and a great Leopard team that night.
Here is the quarter century look back:
http://articles.mcall.com/2013-01...ff-s-leopards-vbk-van-breda-kolff
SIDELINER

I was reading the story on that Notre Dame basketball game and came across the link to another story -- about football -- from 2005.  It may not be a big deal, but some of the newer posters on this board might like it as an historical piece.

http://articles.mcall.com/2005-11...rank-tavani-key-players-lafayette
Lafalum

SIDELINER wrote:
I was reading the story on that Notre Dame basketball game and came across the link to another story -- about football -- from 2005.  It may not be a big deal, but some of the newer posters on this board might like it as an historical piece.

http://articles.mcall.com/2005-11...rank-tavani-key-players-lafayette


Some corrections should be make to the story. Atkinson and Russo were fired by Rothkopf because they leaked after Rothkopf's sneaky attempt to drop us to Div 3 and drop football. They met with the players and  told them ..Rothkopf went ballistic.
In 1999 when the BOT met they did not meet on campus but in NYC.It was nasty. In the ensuing years several prominent alumni were hard at work to right the ship. Walter Oeschle publicly resigned fromt the Bot and in the Morning Call offered Rpothkopf three times his salary to go away.
There were others who coordinated together, and it was nasty.  If it wasn't for those alums, Lafayette would be a far different place.
As for Tavani he took a job no one wanted, for that he deserves not only credit but our thanks.
Bill Russo was eventually inducted to Lafayette HOF while I am sure while Rothkopf fumed.
ed65

Lafalum wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
I was reading the story on that Notre Dame basketball game and came across the link to another story -- about football -- from 2005.  It may not be a big deal, but some of the newer posters on this board might like it as an historical piece.

http://articles.mcall.com/2005-11...rank-tavani-key-players-lafayette


Some corrections should be make to the story. Atkinson and Russo were fired by Rothkopf because they leaked after Rothkopf's sneaky attempt to drop us to Div 3 and drop football. They met with the players and  told them ..Rothkopf went ballistic.
In 1999 when the BOT met they did not meet on campus but in NYC.It was nasty. In the ensuing years several prominent alumni were hard at work to right the ship. Walter Oeschle publicly resigned fromt the Bot and in the Morning Call offered Rpothkopf three times his salary to go away.
There were others who coordinated together, and it was nasty.  If it wasn't for those alums, Lafayette would be a far different place.
As for Tavani he took a job no one wanted, for that he deserves not only credit but our thanks.
Bill Russo was eventually inducted to Lafayette HOF while I am sure while Rothkopf fumed.


It is important to continue to tell the anti-athletics stories about Rothkopf (a contemptible person and an alum to boot - imagine giving up the LU rivalry - what a jerk) and the even more contemptible Weiss.  What those two did is a reminder of the depth of opposition against a serious D-1 WINNING sports program that we face.  There are people on the Board who are in the same category and a large group on the Board who could care less about athletics.  We need big time changes on the Board and in the athletic admin for sure.  I agree that Frank deserves our thanks, and the endowed coaching position is a recognition of that thanks.  Frank can retire gracefully, and turn the program over to a younger guy who is a super recruiter and in touch with today's game.

Enough for this morning.  Good luck to FH tonight vs BU.  It is a very big game for the women on the team.
Pards Rule

Lafalum wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
I was reading the story on that Notre Dame basketball game and came across the link to another story -- about football -- from 2005.  It may not be a big deal, but some of the newer posters on this board might like it as an historical piece.

http://articles.mcall.com/2005-11...rank-tavani-key-players-lafayette


Some corrections should be make to the story. Atkinson and Russo were fired by Rothkopf because they leaked after Rothkopf's sneaky attempt to drop us to Div 3 and drop football. They met with the players and  told them ..Rothkopf went ballistic.
In 1999 when the BOT met they did not meet on campus but in NYC.It was nasty. In the ensuing years several prominent alumni were hard at work to right the ship. Walter Oeschle publicly resigned fromt the Bot and in the Morning Call offered Rpothkopf three times his salary to go away.
There were others who coordinated together, and it was nasty.  If it wasn't for those alums, Lafayette would be a far different place.
As for Tavani he took a job no one wanted, for that he deserves not only credit but our thanks.
Bill Russo was eventually inducted to Lafayette HOF while I am sure while Rothkopf fumed.


Wow never knew the inside story. I guess the public story is Russo retired (announced though shockingly only a couple days before Lehigh game in 1999 leaving his former players scrambling for flights etc to join him in his farewell) or they allowed him to retire before he was fired for a string of bad to subpar seasons and losing to Lehigh for four straight years after piling up some wide leads. Well good for him and Eve. Art was a buffoon.
Pards Rule

SIDELINER wrote:
I was reading the story on that Notre Dame basketball game and came across the link to another story -- about football -- from 2005.  It may not be a big deal, but some of the newer posters on this board might like it as an historical piece.

http://articles.mcall.com/2005-11...rank-tavani-key-players-lafayette


Great resurrection SL especially in this era. It was written after the big win in 2005 over Lehigh following the win the year before and maybe after the incredible performance in Boone against eventual three peat national champion App State (the folks that upset Michigan in their house!).
Pards Rule

Why is Maroon Club vacant? Im semi-retired! Should I throw my hat in? And how?
Andy

1990honda wrote:
The first personal foul call was a mistake by the official. After the play, a Princeton player shoved Brandon and he fell into the legs of another Princeton player. The official saw Brandon falling into the other player but missed the shove. It kept a drive alive for them that resulted in a score.


Late to the party here, just watched the replay. The referee didnt announce the number and our announcers were guessing along with us viewers. OMG! The umpire was literally 5 feet from BB as he landed at the feet of the P player and didnt overturn the call. What a disgrace. But, I apologize for just getting to this.

Will be back home tonight and cheering in Fisher tomorrow.
Pards Rule

Whats the spread??
bethlehempard

Lafayette +20 v Villanova
Lehigh -3 v Princeton
Colgate +16 v Richmond
Bucknell +2.5 v VMI
Georgetown -2 v Columbia
Holy Cross +8 v Dartmouth
Fordham -6 v Penn

A lot of dots get connected tomorrow. Lehigh versus Princeton will be very interesting.
bison137

bethlehempard wrote:
The ultimate trap game: Jan. 4, 1988 at Kirby Field House. Lafayette's men's basketball team, recently slaughtered at Seton Hall's Walsh Gym, played host to Notre Dame. The Irish had beaten LaSalle two days earlier and were headed for a game at (?) St. John's.  
Lafayette 83 - Notre Dame 68.



ND actually was heading home after that game.   Arrived in South Bend a bit shell-shocked I'm sure.   Had almost a week off to recover before their next game.

Prior to that game, LC hadn't played a game since before finals - a span of 3+ weeks without a game.
Pards Rule

Wow - Inquirer box writeup on tonights game notes Lafayette has not played Villanova since 1920!! We lead the series though, 4-0, all by shutout!!
Pards Rule

Wow! Zero zilch nada on Nova football board about todays game!
bethlehempard

Lehigh 28 Princeton 14 with 3:30 left in the third quarter.
I wonder where the Shafnisky detractors are now? Lehigh is dominating the Tigers.
Fordham 24 Penn 10 halftime
Dartmouth 21 Holy Cross 7 halftime
Georgerown 10 Columbia 0 2Q

**** Now it's Lehigh 35 Princeton 14
Lafayette has to get better. Other teams have.
We haven't.

Princeton crushed Lehigh last year. Coen isn't looking for moral victories or incremental improvement. He's out to smash them.
When will Lafayette put the foot in the other groin? We've been kicked enough.
edge29

bethlehempard wrote:
Lehigh 28 Princeton 14 with 3:30 left in the third quarter.
I wonder where the Shafnisky detractors are now? Lehigh is dominating the Tigers.
Fordham 24 Penn 10 halftime
Dartmouth 21 Holy Cross 7 halftime
Georgerown 10 Columbia 0 2Q

**** Now it's Lehigh 35 Princeton 14
Lafayette has to get better. Other teams have.
We haven't.

Princeton crushed Lehigh last year. Coen isn't looking for moral victories or incremental improvement. He's out to smash them.
When will Lafayette put the foot in the other groin? We've been kicked enough.


+1

On the brighter side, HC is down to their 3rd string QB so there's some hope for next week.
flyfisher

bethlehempard wrote:
Lehigh 28 Princeton 14 with 3:30 left in the third quarter.
I wonder where the Shafnisky detractors are now? Lehigh is dominating the Tigers.
Fordham 24 Penn 10 halftime
Dartmouth 21 Holy Cross 7 halftime
Georgerown 10 Columbia 0 2Q

**** Now it's Lehigh 35 Princeton 14
Lafayette has to get better. Other teams have.
We haven't.

Princeton crushed Lehigh last year. Coen isn't looking for moral victories or incremental improvement. He's out to smash them.
When will Lafayette put the foot in the other groin? We've been kicked enough.


We are a little better now but going to be a couple years or more before you see it on the field. We are more competitive than last year it will be a few years before we are a wining program again.
Pards Rule

Damn! Lehigh declaws the Tigers! Look at this way, we did SOOO much better than last year!
bethlehempard

Down at Sette Luna. Not crowded. Go Pards.
Pards Rule

First time vs Villanova since 1920! I hope they had the team watch the App State tape beforehand
edge29

bethlehempard wrote:
Lehigh 28 Princeton 14 with 3:30 left in the third quarter.
I wonder where the Shafnisky detractors are now? Lehigh is dominating the Tigers.
Fordham 24 Penn 10 halftime
Dartmouth 21 Holy Cross 7 halftime
Georgerown 10 Columbia 0 2Q

**** Now it's Lehigh 35 Princeton 14
Lafayette has to get better. Other teams have.
We haven't.

Princeton crushed Lehigh last year. Coen isn't looking for moral victories or incremental improvement. He's out to smash them.
When will Lafayette put the foot in the other groin? We've been kicked enough.


+1

On the brighter side, HC is down to their 3rd string QB so there's some hope for next week.
bethlehempard

There is an outdoor bar set up and later Willy Wonka will be shown on a big screen. Outside Sette Luna.
Now it's a party.
SixtyEighter

I'm not going to say anything intemperate except to state a simple fact ; over the last two years we are now 2 and 13.

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