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Bogus Megapardus

vs. Lehigh

Friday, April 18, 7:00 PM at Fisher.  It's the season finale for the Pards.  Lehigh, a top-20 ranked team, will go on to the PL tourney and possibly to the NCAAs as well.

As noted in a previous thread,
    The game will have an admission fee of $5 for bleacher seats and $10 for chairback
    seats at the gate. Fans should enter Fisher Stadium through Gate #2.
Looks as if the weather will cooperate; low 50s and no rain and just a bit of a south wind coming from behind the home stands.

It makes little sense at this point to rehash this season's shortcomings; they are as painfully obvious as they are plentiful.

Seven seniors have played with heart and soul in the program for four years -  Jake Hyatt, Matt Evans, Brendan Gover, Mike Galione, John Floyd, Jake Mann and Mac Ahsler.  All are deserving of credit and of our thanks for hanging in there and doing their part to keep Lafayette playing at the top level of NCAA lacrosse as the competition around them has become exponentially more challenging.

GO PARDS!
seenalot

Mistakes, no face offs and no defensive scheme.  Gee where have I heard that before?
RichH

10-3 at half
Bogus Megapardus

Jake Hyatt to his Defense:  Why bother?
RichH

16-4 going into 4th.You were right Bogie. Really did not think game would go this way.
Bogus Megapardus

Is the mercy rule still optional in the NCAA?
pards4ever

#41 for Lehigh had 7 goals...maybe after 3 goals we should have shut him off???? just a crazy idea
Bogus Megapardus

pards4ever wrote:
#41 for Lehigh had 7 goals...maybe after 3 goals we should have shut him off???? just a crazy idea


#41 Dan Taylor, 6-3 207 attack, junior from Calgary, Alberta.  7 goals, 1 assist, 11 shots, 7 SOG this evening.  Taylor has been lighting it up for the Sheet Stains since he was a freshman.  He was captain of the Alberta under-19 team and was a member of the Canadian national all-star team before being lured to the Dark Side.  Remember that lacrosse (not 'ockey) is Canada's national sport.

Taylor has 39 goals and 21 assists on the season with a virtually unfathomable .448 shot %age. Lafayette never seems to be able to recruit that elusive 6'1", 207 lb. attack from a national all-star team. Cool  Our attack mostly has run, maybe, 5'9", 160 lbs.; they come from notable, nationally-prominent high schools but a lot of them were off-the-bench guys in high school. *

Our best attack this season was junior Brian Bock - 15 goals, 5 assists with a .250 shot %age. Bock is one tough dude but at 5'10" 170 lbs., well . . . I think you guys saw the difference tonight. Lacrosse is a full contact sport and must be recruited that way.


*  I acknowledge that our freshmen-in-waiting attack roster appears to be substantially larger - all are over 6 feet.
Bogus Megapardus

RichH wrote:
16-4 going into 4th.You were right Bogie. Really did not think game would go this way.


Yes you did, Rich.  You were just too kindhearted of a Honorary Pard to say so.   Laughing
pards4ever

orazietti had 15 goals and shot 38%
Bogus Megapardus

seenalot wrote:
no defensive scheme.


Is it scheme, or is it execution, or is it talent?  I think everyone who watched the game tonight saw the beatdown that Lehigh's D put on us - riding us and harassing us relentlessly and using their physical size and agility to relinquish us of any notion of establishing offensive coherence.

Lafayette simply does not have that kind of defensive talent.  As a consequence we cannot establish that kind of defensive presence regardless of the scheme that the coaches have in place.  It seems to me that scrupulous attention to individual-opponent film review combined with the best of plans to counter that opponent's determined strengths go out the window when your defense is scrambling for their lives just to keep up.

If you want defensive scheme I always say - just look at Princeton, year in and year out.  The Princeton defense is more of a science than it is a scheme.  Study it, draw it out and copy it.  But without the raw athletic talent you're still just pi**ing the wind.
Bogus Megapardus

One more thing - I don't want to hear it about Jake Hyatt.  Hyatt was the best player on the team - no ifs, ands or buts.  The kid was left on an island to face point-blank shots all season long because the defense (and that includes the defensive middies who are supposed to step up) simply did not - could not - slide into position.

They're supposed to challenge the shot - literally be there to knock the guy flat on his a$$ when appropriate - then maintain their balance and presence and go after the next guy in the bat of an eyelid.  Instead I saw a lot of looking around after all those four-yard-out, top-of-the-crease shots at Hyatt as if to lay blame on someone else.

I cannot imagine what this season would have been like without Jake Hyatt.
pards4ever

we were next to last in D1  shooting % at 19%
seenalot

No doubt its a mix of talent, scheme and execution - but as you correctly point out the turn around and look at Hyatt move got old, fast.  Did not see a whole lot of taking responsibility and, can count the times on one hand we put someone on their butt - penalty or not.  That's attitude and leadership, and both were lacking.

All Ski's fault, no....but even if you want to set aside the W-L has there been real improvement in any aspect of our game?  Maybe clearing the ball was a bit less chaotic then prior - but some of that goes to Hyatt's decision making and I didn't see enough of Cortese to know if that can continue.

For the year we were outscored by 68, lost the faceoff battle by 58, faced 73 more shots on goal than our opponent.
Lafalum

Defense around the crease was abysmal. We need to put people on their ass when they try to move in shooting position. If it was once a game maybe but putting your goalie in that position is unforgivable. This is not women's lacrosse after all.
ed65

Men's Lax Solutions:

1. More scholies
2. Better recruting (tougher kids e.g. fewer preppies)
3. Most important: funding from Lax Alums.

We will be a D-1 bottom feeder forever if 1,2 and 3 do not happen.

Ps: how did LU recruit the Canadian kid - sheesh!
Bogus Megapardus

Lafalum wrote:
This is not women's lacrosse after all.


You're absolutely correct, it's not women's lacrosse.  But I'll say it again - our WLax team is a LOT better at what they do than the MLax team is at what they do.  Our WLax squad definitely has the physical size, speed and overall skill to be competitive in the women's version of the game.  The MLax squad does not.  

The MLax stickhead is wider and the permissible depth of the pocket is much greater.  (The men have the advantage of using a longer stick on defense as well.)  Women's lax allows stick checks but not body checks.  MLax has full-force body checking (not that we use it very often).  But the main difference in the game is the configuration of the stickhead.  The WLax stickhead is narrow and you're not allowed to string your pocket deep enough to cradle the ball.  

Ever try to play with a women's stick?  It's not easy, trust me.  You have to soft scoop the catch as if the ball is landing on a flat surface.  You really can't cradle the ball while running because it literally will fall out.  WLax players have to "walk the dog" as they say.  You're a lot more vulnerable to drops and stick-check turnovers.  The women's game has an emphasis on stick skill and on pure linear speed.

The men's game has an emphasis on possession, quickness and physical athleticism.  Throwing, catching and maintaining possession of the ball is made much easier in men's lacrosse than it is in women's lax because of the width of the stickhead and the permissible depth of the pocket in the men's game.  The men already should have the necessary stick skills by the time they reach college at this level.

From what I have observed (and I've watched at least some of every non-Loyola game this season) our guys can't even manage the possession aspect of it against quality competition.  And where raw physicality counts most - FOGO, D-mid and long-stick defense - we have miles to go.
Bogus Megapardus

ed65 wrote:
Men's Lax Solutions:

1. More scholies
2. Better recruting (tougher kids e.g. fewer preppies)
3. Most important: funding from Lax Alums.

We will be a D-1 bottom feeder forever if 1,2 and 3 do not happen.

Ps: how did LU recruit the Canadian kid - sheesh!


1.  More scholarships to the right players - we have to pass on some otherwise very skillful players who just do not have DI size, speed and athleticism.  Lacrosse still can succeed with few (or even no) scholarships as long as the coaches can assemble a powerful, athletic, coachable team (i.e., Bucknell, Hobart, Ivies).  Just like football, scholarships can emphasize what we already have. They're not a panacea.

2.  The best prep schools still have some of the best players.  It's just that we're not getting them. The ACC teams emphasize raw athleticism and can coach 'em up.

3.  Lafayette's alums have stepped up large in recent years to support lacrosse.  Making the jump to becoming a "lacrosse school" will be huge.  Colgate has been there for years and Lehigh has made the leap of late.  Of course it goes without saying that Loyola now is the gold standard.
ed65

With respect to your lax knowledge Bogie, we need more scholies desperately.  It is up to the coach to recruit the "right" players.  As for 'Gate, Hobart, & LU, they clearly "get it" that lax is an up and coming, very popular sport.  I'm sure they are doing what is necessary to come up with the bucks to get the kids who they want.  Same as the Ivies who supposedly do not have scholies either.  As for Lax Alums supporting the program, I don't doubt what you say, Bogie, but you need more, more, more $$.  For example, do you raise as much as baseball?  I don't know the answer to that but with baseball, we are raising money for scholies so Joe can recruit pitchers and kids who can really hit.  Scholies make the difference in that sport just has having scholies for FOGO(couldn't resist the acronym that I learned this year) and big, mobile defensement would help your sport.

Having the "scholar athletes" from Lloyola should make everyone else in the league better.  I don't see any sign of that with LC so let's get on the "stick" Lax alums!
bethlehempard

Loyola 16 Lehigh 7

Loyola 16 Lehigh 7. Year one of expansion went about as expected for the league.
NewXbo

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ed65 wrote:
Men's Lax Solutions:

3.  Lafayette's alums have stepped up large in recent years to support lacrosse.  Making the jump to becoming a "lacrosse school" will be huge.  Colgate has been there for years and Lehigh has made the leap of late.  Of course it goes without saying that Loyola now is the gold standard.


It's true that men's lax raised a little over $100,000 this year, second only to football. But only 11% contributed according to the Maroon Club report.
ed65

Judging by the team's performance, one could come to the conclusion that $100,000 is nowhre near enough.
Bogus Megapardus

ed65 wrote:
Judging by the team's performance, one could come to the conclusion that $100,000 is nowhre near enough.


I agree ed65 but what if we get to the point where we're funded at or near Loyola or Lehigh levels and we still wind up as the PL bottom feeder?  Regrettably I can envision that.  It takes more than $$.  

Lafayette has to establish a "lacrosse culture" - which I believe we can do.  We can even steal the regional cachet that (fully funded) Rutgers used to have but has long since lost.
RichH

Both Reed and Cassesse have reiterated that its not about building a winner ,its about building a program that wins ." A path to success"
Lafalum

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
ed65 wrote:
Judging by the team's performance, one could come to the conclusion that $100,000 is nowhre near enough.


I agree ed65 but what if we get to the point where we're funded at or near Loyola or Lehigh levels and we still wind up as the PL bottom feeder?  Regrettably I can envision that.  It takes more than $$.  

Lafayette has to establish a "lacrosse culture" - which I believe we can do.  We can even steal the regional cachet that (fully funded) Rutgers used to have but has long since lost.


Tell me one team that has established a winning culture at Lafayette!!
Bogus Megapardus

Lafalum wrote:
Tell me one team that has established a winning culture at Lafayette!!


Basketball, football, FH and WLax all have historical momentum and a winning culture, IMHO.  All have been to the NCAAs and all are capable of running with a top 20 team in any given season.  In the context of who we are and what we do as a college I don't think that is an unfair statement.

In contrast with those teams, no opponent ever has concern about playing Lafayette MLax.  We're penciled in as a win on everyone's schedule.  That must change.
Lafalum

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Tell me one team that has established a winning culture at Lafayette!!


Basketball, football, FH and WLax all have historical momentum and a winning culture, IMHO.  All have been to the NCAAs and all are capable of running with a top 20 team in any given season.  In the context of who we are and what we do as a college I don't think that is an unfair statement.

In contrast with those teams, no opponent ever has concern about playing Lafayette MLax.  We're penciled in as a win on everyone's schedule.  That must change.


All the teams you mentioned have had periods of winning but do not have a consistent winning culture. In the last ten years only one of those teams has a winning record and that is FH ( 57 pct) last year even they only won 6 games after losing the Div one coach of the year the previous year. If there was a winning culture it would be fully funded with max paid in asst coaches and would not have not lost that head coach. My point is, this administration and the previous ones do not know how to sustain a winning culture. Like in professional sports, winning starts in the front office. We have stabbed our programs in the back with fighting against scholarships, studies in the beginning of the decade, cuts, underfunding and lack of accountability. We need a total change in attitude from the top down, and that means at the BOT level at our school.

Of all the sports at the college Men's lax is the toughest to turn. We are in one of the premiere lax leagues in the country, but we have no winning history in the sport, and as management we wouldn't know how to turn it in to a winning program given our history and abilities. Turning this all around must come from the top or else its just accidental.
ed65

Bravo Lafalum!  You have stated what we all think and with which we concur.

Establishing a winning culture for LC Athletics needs to be the biggest priority of everyone on this board.  And although some of you might not agree, it is going to take MONEY, and probably lots of it.  But Lafalum has it right: it starts with the BOT and the Administration.  One example: there is no better way to publicize Lafayette College than to win a game or two in the NCAA Tournament.  Another example: the 150th Game in NYC offers a fantastic opportunity to publicize the school.  The Admin and the Athletic Dept need to pull out all the stops on this one - AND SPARE NO EXPENSE.  Sure, from what I hear the announcement will be made of the Captial Campaign - and somehow the PR Flacks will find a way to tie the two together.  Another example: Good athletes want to come to a school that wins.  I'm not sure we can continue the practice of promising superior athletes playing time early in their careers the see them doomed by the losing culture.  It is time for major changes: Ms. Diorio is going to get an earful, if she ever comes out of her office to meet some alums.

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