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Bogus Megapardus

Wagner Post-Triumphum

Hey, we won.

We needed that.



Bogus Megapardus

QB Reed - 23-34/308 4TD

WR Chenoweth - 9-105 1TD

WR Mrazek - 6-80 1TD

WR Wadsworth - 3-55 1TD

WR Amill 2-46 1TD

P Forrester 7 punts for 305 yds, Avg. 43.6 yds., long 63 yds., 1 inside 20, 1 TB
Bogus Megapardus

And Wagner did not commit a single hold all night, did they?  Funny how that turned out.


flyfisher

Heart. We dressed all 52 players involved while dressing an o-lineman no one has ever seen and not on the roster. They dressed 85. I admit it, I thought we had no shot. Those freshmen that a few here said were from a bad recruiting class played pretty well tonight.

Let me know when you want me to pass the ketchup to help some of you choke that crow back.
Bogus Megapardus

flyfisher wrote:
Heart. We dressed all 52 players involved while dressing an o-lineman no one has ever seen and not on the roster. They dressed 85. I admit it, I thought we had no shot. Those freshmen that a few here said were from a bad recruiting class played pretty well tonight.

Let me know when you want me to pass the ketchup to help some of you choke that crow back.

They showed up tonight, that's for sure.  I'm really pleased and proud of the second half effort.  A whole bunch of different guys made the big plays when their number was called.  Wagner had the size and athletic advantage but the Pards had the scheme, the heart and the know-how.
Bogus Megapardus

The replay already is up.

http://livestream.com/lafayette/l...tefootball-15-16/videos/100380262

That was fast.
Newleopardfan2

This was a very big win: coming from behind against a bigger, more physical team, in their crib, with their refs not calling their holds. Many big plays and players stand out. Chenoweth and Mrazek made some huge grabs. Gotta say some outstanding and inspired play calling in 2nd half. Drew made a number of big league throws, none bigger than from deep inside our end zone, hitting Mrazek for 20. Lots to like from a patchwork of 52 walking wounded. Key question: are we ready for league play?
bethlehempard

The hometown view:

http://www.silive.com/sports/adva...ge_falls.html#incart_river_mobile

Considering that Staten Island is a place to drive through and not stop, the stepchild borough, the local paper is pretty good and covers Wagner a lot better than the other papers cover Fordham.

Beating the Seahawks at their own homecoming, that's great.
Pards Rule

Watching this team for 35 years now I felt they could win last night. They stepped up and did the job with a truncated roster, lower class dominated and stood in there and pulled out the win.  Remember a team divided against its fans is beset. Glad to see the Pardwagon rolling again.
Bogus Megapardus

bethlehempard wrote:
Considering that Staten Island is a place to drive through and not stop, the stepchild borough, the local paper is pretty good and covers Wagner a lot better than the other papers cover Fordham.


I always thought that Staten Island was simply an enormous landfill with a highway running through it.  I didn't realize anybody actually lived there.
whatthefrank?

Traveling and only able to get scores.  probably will miss the next two as well, but come from behind victory, I admit, after last week I didn't see that coming!  Congrats to Pard football.  We are a different team with a healthy Drew Reed
seenalot

Great comeback - was not sure we had that in us after first 20+ minutes.  Lots of smiles on the sideline - far better way to go into Fordham game.

Wagner played like punks (#33 in particular) and refs allowed it - but apparently class does still come to the top and sh*t finds its own level in the end.
bethlehempard

States Island has a golf course and some wildlife, even though it has a "Bayonne in the bay" look.
It's clearly not the least lively of the city's many islands:

http://www.ghosttheory.com/2015/09/10/new-yorks-island-of-the-dead
NewXbo

bethlehempard wrote:
The hometown view:

http://www.silive.com/sports/adva...ge_falls.html#incart_river_mobile

Considering that Staten Island is a place to drive through and not stop, the stepchild borough, the local paper is pretty good and covers Wagner a lot better than the other papers cover Fordham.

Beating the Seahawks at their own homecoming, that's great.


It's funny you said this. I spent some time on Staten Island and always though it was like southside Bethlehem.
flyfisher

My son mentioned the same thing. He said they drove past trash dumps for 20 minutes. Never spent time in that borough until yesterday. While they did have a "golf course" and some wildlife, even birds need a place to land.
edge29

flyfisher wrote:
Heart. We dressed all 52 players involved while dressing an o-lineman no one has ever seen and not on the roster. They dressed 85. I admit it, I thought we had no shot. Those freshmen that a few here said were from a bad recruiting class played pretty well tonight.

Let me know when you want me to pass the ketchup to help some of you choke that crow back.


Good win with backs against the wall.  CJ and Joey will be stars here.  We need to find a running game if we are going to compete in league play.  

Im betting Coach T's attitude during the week had a lot to do with how the kids responded.  You could sense it in the press conference.  Some here remember the study days when we were overmatched. Coach T enjoyed playing the underdog with a constant chip on his shoulder.
bethlehempard

Urban Digression: South Bethlehem, particularly to the east, is dangerous. I know it's not all a war zone but it's bad. Feral children, decrepit houses, graffiti, shopping carts in yards, all the signs of blight. Lehigh has recognized this of course but can only do so much. I suspect the move toward limiting off-campus housing is as much about this as it is about revenue.
The place used to be quaint, sort of like Pottsville and other coal towns. I lived there for a couple years in the early 1980s.
Take away the satellite dishes and most of the cars and some streets would look as they did in the 1940s.
South Bethlehem and Bethlehem merged about a century ago. I'd like to see a "de-merger."
Staten Island served as New York City's dump for decades. The Fresh Kills landfill, visible on the sprint between the two bridges, closed years ago but was used after 9/11.
I don't think the island has any rail connection to the other boroughs. Without that it might as well be in Jersey.
I have colleagues who live there and love it.

Above all ... A great win! The team's goals still lie ahead of it. Go Pards!
Pards Rule

Links to Morning Call and Express-Times coverage?
SIDELINER

The Morning Call's story on the website is not the same as the one in the print edition. This one has no postgame quotes, and the deadlines for night games make it impossible to get quotes in the early run.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...football-0926-20150926-story.html

Brad Wilson was not at the game but must have talked to the coach. The E-T is not covering games on the road because of short staff.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...ette_football_r.html#incart_river

Maybe both will have followup stories tomorrow.
Pards Rule

Thanks Sideliner. It did end late. WTF Express-Times cant send Brad to Staten Island? Im putting his trips on Kickstarter!
Pardsfriend

post game

Despite our early deficit, I'm convinced we were stronger and faster, especially on edge, our receivers v. Wagner secondary.

Our qb played very well, and our front five played better as game wore on.

We have to step up our game management and tempo next week with Fordham.  Their kids play a much more polished and disciplined style, on both sides of the ball, than Wagner.  I'm interested to see if our staff allows our offense to meet this challenge.  To compete effectively, we have to play a vertical, downhill game.  Fordham can play sideline to sideline very well.

Let's go Pards', I look forward to faster play.....meet the challenge
bethlehempard

High school sports own the Valley and the local focus has been on this sad story:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/w...lls_full_c.html#incart_river_home

Lehigh: http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...o_1.html#incart_river_mobileshort

Lafayette: http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...uge.html#incart_river_mobileshort

Lafayette gets good coverage from two papers even though the reality is, the high school game is what it's all about here.
Fine writers with knowledge of the schools and the sports from both papers are doing their best, and it would not surprise me if some of the work is done out of sheer professionalism and on their own time.
Bogus Megapardus

Newleopardfan2 wrote:
Key question: are we ready for league play?

I guess it doesn't really matter because league play is coming weather we're ready or not.  Our players and coaches are going to have to perform at the peak of their capability no matter what.  The game is going to decide if we're ready.

seenalot wrote:
Wagner played like punks (#33 in particular) and refs allowed it - but apparently class does still come to the top and sh*t finds its own level in the end.

Given the attitude most of us witnessed, I'd say simply don't schedule Wagner again in the future.  And while we're at it, suggest to the PL that other members avoid Wagner as well.  Who needs it?

We don't see teams like W&M, Delaware or UNH behaving like that.  Nor do other NEC teams we've played recently - Sacred Heart and Robert Morris - pull that kind of crap.  I'm a bit surprised because Wagner never would have shown that kind of classlessness under Walt Hamline.
SIDELINER

The Morning Call's followup:

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...tte-folo-0927-20150927-story.html

Nothing new yet from Brad.
LeopardBall10

I was really excited to see the D win the final 2 series to close out the game. The D-Line was able to get some pressure and we made them pay for ill-advised throws. We had not been making those plays this season.

No onto the big bad bully of the league. At first I thought it would have been nice to play this game a little later in the season once someone else had already beaten Fordham in the league. But now, I am thinking that this might be the Leopards best shot at taking them down. Not a great shot, mind you, but a shot.

LeopardBall10

I also just saw a few social media posts about the Brian Keller remembrance service held on campus yesterday. I can only imagine what this team is going through on an emotional level.
Pards Rule

SIDELINER wrote:
The Morning Call's followup:

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...tte-folo-0927-20150927-story.html

Nothing new yet from Brad.


Thanks Sideliner...That start in the story from their own 1 yard line was more like the 6 inch line! Kudos for the offense for punching it out of there with a clutch catch by Joey!
Zeus

it's pretty funny there are more comments over L's than W's.
I secretly think some people want the team to lose so they have complain about.
bethlehempard

Based on chats I've looked at, that's not a Lafayette thing. It's universal.
Holy Cross's basketball rants are legendary. Comments after a win aren't half as interesting.

*Can somebody with gravitas or personal connections persuade Carney and Andy to get back back into the football chats? We are missing two titans.
Perhaps a meeting of the "Five Families" is in order.
No, nobody is going "to the mattresses."
It's just time for two of the Dons to restore order.
Pard4Life

Did not get to watch the replay until last night and kept falling asleep in the process... BUT:

How did the middle of the field open up? It seems like we really attacked it (for a change)

What happened with the run game? All the opportunities were there but still... gotta get that going.

PS ESPN 3 replay is time toggle is a challenge.

Do you know how unprecedented this is?? Tavani two straight years of 10+ point comebacks! That's four all time (two are Columbia)!

Pretty great!
Kpard

Zeus wrote:
it's pretty funny there are more comments over L's than W's.
I secretly think some people want the team to lose so they have complain about.


OK, you shamed me into it.

Nice comeback win. I thought we were dead and buried. I almost turned it off. Considering the trash talk and other crap and no calls (holding galore) that went against us, this is a sweet win.
Wagner lacks some class, and that has to come from the top, IMO.
flyfisher

53 players dressed Saturday. 53, that's it. Fordham, W&M, Delaware dress more kids on scholarship than we have kids in total. Those schools can put 63 scholarship players on the field. We had only 53 total. We don't even have a scout team right now. Lotta heart Saturday night.
flyfisher

LeopardBall10 wrote:
I also just saw a few social media posts about the Brian Keller remembrance service held on campus yesterday. I can only imagine what this team is going through on an emotional level.


Been tough emotionally. I kinda wish the service could have been a few weeks ago. BK was the spirit of the team, followed by Brockman. Now we have neither.
LeopardBall10

flyfisher wrote:

Been tough emotionally. I kinda wish the service could have been a few weeks ago. BK was the spirit of the team, followed by Brockman. Now we have neither.


My thoughts exactly. Has there been any news of Brockman? I feel like I must have missed something. He was poised for a return weeks ago, or so we were told. Was there a set back?

flyfisher wrote:
53 players dressed Saturday. 53, that's it. Fordham, W&M, Delaware dress more kids on scholarship than we have kids in total. Those schools can put 63 scholarship players on the field. We had only 53 total. We don't even have a scout team right now.


I remember talking to Frank when the scholarship ruling was initially passed and we hit on some of the other rules that were put in place around that. We all knew this was coming as soon as we read the fine print and saw that any aid, academic or athletic counts toward the 60. The roster limits are a joke because there is no way to reach them. And I don't see the PL presidents making a change unless someone makes a great "dangerous for the kids" argument.
BillS

LeopardBall10 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:

Been tough emotionally. I kinda wish the service could have been a few weeks ago. BK was the spirit of the team, followed by Brockman. Now we have neither.


My thoughts exactly. Has there been any news of Brockman? I feel like I must have missed something. He was poised for a return weeks ago, or so we were told. Was there a set back?

flyfisher wrote:
53 players dressed Saturday. 53, that's it. Fordham, W&M, Delaware dress more kids on scholarship than we have kids in total. Those schools can put 63 scholarship players on the field. We had only 53 total. We don't even have a scout team right now.


I remember talking to Frank when the scholarship ruling was initially passed and we hit on some of the other rules that were put in place around that. We all knew this was coming as soon as we read the fine print and saw that any aid, academic or athletic counts toward the 60. The roster limits are a joke because there is no way to reach them. And I don't see the PL presidents making a change unless someone makes a great "dangerous for the kids" argument.
With only 52 healthy bodies at practice maybe it's reached a point of being dangerous for out student athletes.
Franks Tanks

Good points.  Injures and QB play make a difference at every level, but especially so at the FCS level, which is often depth challenged.

As we know Nova lost to what is probably not a very good Penn team.  Why?  Nova was using a 1st time Freshman starter at QB, and also had OL injury issues.  I understand Nova had to play a backup TE at OT.  Ouch.

Point being other FCS schools, even those in the mighty CAA, feel the numbers crunch.  Private schools are more vulnerable as it is more difficult to get quality walk-ons (tuition).

We beat Wagner because our QB was able to get out of his funk.  It helped that he has guys like Joey and CJ getting open and stretching the field, but this team will go as Drew Reed goes.  If he can put up numbers like he did last week, we can have a satisfying rest of the season.  If doesn't than it is 3 or so wins- No pressure Drew!

We have a punchers chance against Fordham, but we will need a very big day from Drew and his receivers.
Bogus Megapardus

Week 5 Sportsbook:

Princeton (-29) vs. Columbia o/u 57

Colgate (-9) at Cornell o/u 41

Harvard (-2Cool vs. Georgetown o/u 50

Yale (-5) at Lehigh o/u 70

Albany (-6) at Holy Cross o/u 50

Bucknell (-2) at VMI o/u 55

Dartmouth (-16) at Penn o/u 49

Fordham (-16) at Lafayette o/u 57

Brown (-13½) vs. Rhode Island o/u 49

*   *   *   *   *   *   *

Other Games of Interest:

James Madison (-14) vs. Stony Brook o/u 53

Duquesne (-15) vs. Central Connecticut o/u 43

Wagner (-3½) vs. Robert Morris o/u 41

Richmond (-12) vs. Maine o/u 48

New Hampshire (-21) vs. Elon o/u 47

William & Mary (-10) at Delaware o/u 44
yesrep

Wagner game was a transformation from a few things.First the use of a full team on o. We do not rely on one player for 60-70% of the yards gained . Second I think we just saw some leaders step up and start to fill the void from two lost leaders. This loss takes some time to work its way out,and has nothing to do with the great picks at captains. Watched the Fordham games they are not the team of last year.We can win this thing!
Lafalum

yesrep wrote:
Wagner game was a transformation from a few things.First the use of a full team on o. We do not rely on one player for 60-70% of the yards gained . Second I think we just saw some leaders step up and start to fill the void from two lost leaders. This loss takes some time to work its way out,and has nothing to do with the great picks at captains. Watched the Fordham games they are not the team of last year.We can win this thing!


I hope you are right!!
Bogus Megapardus

Speaking of guys stepping up, how about Dylan Wadsworth on those seam routes?  His yards after contact reminded me of veteran NFL TEs like Gronkowski and Celek and Cruz who can carry four guys on their backs and get an extra 7 yards.


EDIT - just checked, Wadsworth lists at 6-3/245 but he seemed to play much bigger than that on Saturday.
Bogus Megapardus

FYI - last Saturday, while freshman WR Joey Chenoweth was catching passes for 105 yards and his first TD for the Pards, his former high school team from California was just a few miles away in New Jersey taking on St. Peter's Prep.  St. John Bosco (ranked #5 nationally) flew all the way in from Los Angeles, got in some practice time up at West Point, and then beat St. Peter's Prep 56-14 in a game that was played at the same time as Lafayette's win over Wagner.

St. John Bosco similarly was ranked in the top 5 nationally last year; its QB now starts for UCLA and its leading receiver now wins PL Rookie of the Week awards for Lafayette catching passes from Drew Reed.  We could do worse than to keep an eye on whom this program might have for us in the future.

Might I suggest to the Powers The Be (or whosoever on the Hill might be reading this stuff) that Lafayette Football keep St. John Bosco's athletics and football twitter pages up to date with Chenoweth's accomplishments?

https://twitter.com/sjbathletics

https://twitter.com/boscofootball

EDIT - all the St. John Bosco players were thrilled about practicing at Michie Stadium.  Perhaps a timely reminder that Joey C. will be catching passes in that very stadium next season.
LeopardBall10

Franks Tanks wrote:
Point being other FCS schools, even those in the mighty CAA, feel the numbers crunch.  Private schools are more vulnerable as it is more difficult to get quality walk-ons (tuition).


It's true that everyone feels the crunch of injuries and that tuition plays a role for private schools, but the larger issue is the PL rules that force the teams to count any aid toward the 60 scholarships. When I played we had a few Marquis Scholars on the team. That wouldn't happen now because the coaches would be forced to forfeit the equivalent scholarship money (in this example about 3/4 of a full for each scholar).

PL teams also used to heavily recruit minority athletes with a large FASFA-based need. In the old method the school met a large portion of that need and Football could decide if they wanted to cover the rest of that need with the Football grant money. Now, that player might as well be on a half scholarship. No other league in the NCAA has this rule which is why we are the only league in the NCAA that has less than 60 players at practice.

You have to be a full-pay kid to be a walk-on in the PL. And if you get in on your own, are any good at Football, and can pay the tuition you are probably going to Harvard or Princeton.
Bogus Megapardus

LeopardBall10 wrote:
You have to be a full-pay kid to be a walk-on in the PL. And if you get in on your own, are any good at Football, and can pay the tuition you are probably going to Harvard or Princeton.


I'm still confused about this.  Can a player still get need-based loans if he doesn't get any athletic scholarship money?  Can he get local/charitable/institutional scholarship money that does not come from Lafayette's scholarship pool?

Or does Lafayette have to count any loans or (non-athletic) grants against the PL's 60 scholarship limit?

I count 93 players on Fordham's current roster.  What gives?
Franks Tanks

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
LeopardBall10 wrote:
You have to be a full-pay kid to be a walk-on in the PL. And if you get in on your own, are any good at Football, and can pay the tuition you are probably going to Harvard or Princeton.


I'm still confused about this.  Can a player still get need-based loans if he doesn't get any athletic scholarship money?  Can he get local/charitable/institutional scholarship money that does not come from Lafayette's scholarship pool?

Or does Lafayette have to count any loans or (non-athletic) grants against the PL's 60 scholarship limit?

I count 93 players on Fordham's current roster.  What gives?


Same here, and thanks for the info.

I believe the distinction becomes recruited vs. non-recruited.  I could very well be wrong, and then again one must consider the nebulous definition of being recruited.  I think it may have something to do with admissions support.

Anyway if a kid qualifies for some sort of aid or scholarship outside of football merit aid, I see no reason why a coach can't encourage a young man to apply and join the team if he so desires.  I understand why there are rules in place however.  It would be very easy for a big school to make up some bogus scholarship, and just happen to give those scholarships mostly to kids who happen to "walk on" to the football team.
Bogus Megapardus

Franks Tanks wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
LeopardBall10 wrote:
You have to be a full-pay kid to be a walk-on in the PL. And if you get in on your own, are any good at Football, and can pay the tuition you are probably going to Harvard or Princeton.


I'm still confused about this.  Can a player still get need-based loans if he doesn't get any athletic scholarship money?  Can he get local/charitable/institutional scholarship money that does not come from Lafayette's scholarship pool?

Or does Lafayette have to count any loans or (non-athletic) grants against the PL's 60 scholarship limit?

I count 93 players on Fordham's current roster.  What gives?


Same here, and thanks for the info.

I believe the distinction becomes recruited vs. non-recruited.  I could very well be wrong, and then again one must consider the nebulous definition of being recruited.  I think it may have something to do with admissions support.

Anyway if a kid qualifies for some sort of aid or scholarship outside of football merit aid, I see no reason why a coach can't encourage a young man to apply and join the team if he so desires.  I understand why there are rules in place however.  It would be very easy for a big school to make up some bogus scholarship, and just happen to give those scholarships mostly to kids who happen to "walk on" to the football team.


Where's Bison137 when you need him?  Smile
RichH

PL loves ambiguity. At present,any player on roster who receives aid is counted towards 60 max according to some sources. I realize rule is for the schools with tighter budgets. NEC cap is 40 but they allow other aid up to 63.
There may be a small window. It seems,altho nothing appears in by laws, that teams are allowed up to 5 true WOs above roster cap. NCAA does define a true WO,basically an unrecruited player. A true WO can get academic merit and/or need aid as any student. The unanswered question is whether that aid counts vs schollie cap. Probably yes. Given our limits it would be an enforcement nightmare for PL to individually verify WO claims.
Hope 137 stops by Smile After dinner,I will peruse ByLaws .
RichH

By laws have been amended. Teams are allowed 3 unrecruited walk ons,who can receive academic or need aid which does NOT count vs schollie cap. Ther's your answer for now at least. Not sure whether that aid would count vs NCAA 63. I think not.
Bogus Megapardus

RichH wrote:
By laws have been amended. Teams are allowed 3 unrecruited walk ons,who can receive academic or need aid which does NOT count vs schollie cap. Ther's your answer for now at least. Not sure whether that aid would count vs NCAA 63. I think not.


Hmm . . . so that must be the PL's way of getting back the "3" in the PL formula that permits 60, but not 63, equivalencies as allowed by FCS.

Some NEC teams have huge rosters.  I'm pretty sure that unrecruited NEC walk-ons who get "other" aid aren't counted by the NCAA.  The NEC presumably allows whatever the NCAA allows outside the NEC's self-imposed 40 scholarship limit.
RichH

Well,PL allows 3 unrecruited bodies to get aid in some amount.
NEC gets 23 equivalencies,which can be spread out over more bodies. Better than nothing ,I suppose Smile
Bogus Megapardus

RichH wrote:
Well,PL allows 3 unrecruited bodies to get aid in some amount.
NEC gets 23 equivalencies,which can be spread out over more bodies. Better than nothing ,I suppose Smile


So how do NEC teams get 100+ kids on their rosters?
RichH

Guessing you're right to refer to a lot of unrecruited WOs wandering around there.How a conference or NCAA ever hope to actually verify unrscruited below FBS level. Perhaps NCAA just doesn't care.

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