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carney2

Wagner Pregame - It's Time For Someone To Show They Care

Last year Wagner gave us possibly our most physical game of the year before losing by two scores.  I expected more of the same this time around, but the Seahawks, like the Pards, have not distinguished themselves in the early going.  They were blown out by Rice in week 1.  Since this was a big leap in scheduling for a NEC team, it was not unexpected.  More important, however, was this week’s two score loss to Monmouth, a team that was already beaten by Holy Cross.  That makes Wagner something of a measuring stick for the 2015 Leopards, and even a weather vane for the rest of the season.

Possibly an equally important game for Lafayette will be taking place a little west of Staten Island where Lehigh will be visiting Princeton in a game that kicks off at the unusual time of 5:00.  If the ChickenSquawks can give Tigger anything approaching a battle after the absolute thrashing that was administered by Princeton in Easton, it is yet a further indication that it may be time to close the casket lid on the 2015 Lafayette football season.

Frank keeps talking about the injuries and getting back to the drawing board, but it is now way past time to suck it up.  Does anyone in Bourger or on the playing field give a crap about playing football?  If yes, they have a funny way of showing it.  Time to show that you care.  If not now, when?
carney2

I am detecting a decided lack of interest in this game.  This team.  This season.
rjphog

I will be heading to Staten Island to witness the first win of the season. Hopefully, a win will provide some much needed confidence. I still have serious reservations about the offensive play calling and coaching in general.
Bogus Megapardus

carney2 wrote:
I am detecting a decided lack of interest in this game.

Who's playing again?  Never heard of either of 'em.
NE Leopard

The future looks bright, at one point in the game, there were 2 juniors, 5 sophomores and 4 freshman on O, and they moved the ball. We need to find stops on 3rd down on D. Big week ahead to turn in the 1st win. Roll Pards
Pard4Life

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
carney2 wrote:
I am detecting a decided lack of interest in this game.

Who's playing again?  Never heard of either of 'em.


Just to clarify: Louisiana-Lafayette is visiting SUNY-Wagner.
Bogus Megapardus

It's going to be pretty hard to get anybody fired up for this game.
Pards Rule

I watched the Wagner game at Fisher Field last year and it was one of the most physical games I had seen.  Ross Scheuerman after the game endorsed that view. We got the win but it was a brutal game. Any concept of whether it will be different this year on Staten Island?
pardfan

traumatized team?   too early to make that case but it will be made at some point
carney2

Pards Rule wrote:
I watched the Wagner game at Fisher Field last year and it was one of the most physical games I had seen.  Ross Scheuerman after the game endorsed that view. We got the win but it was a brutal game. Any concept of whether it will be different this year on Staten Island?


Two winless teams.  They can spend 60 minutes beating each other with folding chairs a la the WWF and I doubt that anyone will notice.
carney2

NE Leopard wrote:
The future looks bright


Yet another guy who's rolled too many doobies.
Andy

NE Leopard wrote:
The future looks bright, at one point in the game, there were 2 juniors, 5 sophomores and 4 freshman on O, and they moved the ball. We need to find stops on 3rd down on D. Big week ahead to turn in the 1st win. Roll Pards


How dare you interrupt the stream of negativity that is this board.  These guys are in their glory when they can jump on the kids. Makes them feel like big tough men. Unfortunately with next year's schedule of Delaware, Villanove, Army, Harvard, we'll get no respite.

No doubt NE Lep, Chenoweth and West will be stars in this league.  Will be fun watching them as they mature.  Unfortunately with all the injuries this year will be very, very tough.

Not sure who we've got left to play DB this week.
Pard4Life

The future will be bright when the present coaching staff leaves. The team as a collective was not ready to play.
carney2

Andy wrote:
NE Leopard wrote:
The future looks bright, at one point in the game, there were 2 juniors, 5 sophomores and 4 freshman on O, and they moved the ball. We need to find stops on 3rd down on D. Big week ahead to turn in the 1st win. Roll Pards


How dare you interrupt the stream of negativity that is this board.  These guys are in their glory when they can jump on the kids. Makes them feel like big tough men.


If you want me and any others you to whom you may be referring to start shilling for the Bourger boys, the checks better start rolling in with the same frequency as the losses and the putrid football.  Not my job, as they say.
flyfisher

I get a chuckle from posters here who admit they never played the game or even understand certain facets, yet seem to think they have all the answers.
carney2

flyfisher wrote:
I get a chuckle from posters here who admit they never played the game or even understand certain facets, yet seem to think they have all the answers.


And I get a chuckle from posters who duck in here for a few years - a virtual cup of coffee - and tell people who have bee4n putting up with CRAP for decades how to behave.
whatthefrank?

flyfisher wrote:
I get a chuckle from posters here who admit they never played the game or even understand certain facets, yet seem to think they have all the answers.



Fly I have been involved as a player at every level and had the honor to be coached by several college and NFL Hall of Famers and I wish I didn't, but I have to agree with most of what Carney and the rest have to say.  Year after year, regardless of players, assistants , or administrations, Franks teams are terribly inconsistent and .500 seems to the high bar.

This is a place for us to spout our opinions right?  Also I am sure each and everyone on this board wishes nothing but the best for the team and would like to be talking about something other than what is wrong - but they have to win for that to happen!  ALso it is worth saying that the people who are taking flak for their venting are true and loyal Pard fans and have been and will continue to be long after the others have come and gone and Lafayette football is no longer important to them.

Do what you do and you get what you got!  unfortunately for us that has not been very good!!!  Just sayin
Andy

You know what, carney and his constant negativity chased off a fun and knowledgeable poster, Pard94, several years back. I'm not as well informed or as astute a student of the game as 94, but I'm equally gone. I just cant take the BS.  I'll leave it to the naysayers.

To my friends on the board, see you at Fisher.

I still get some enjoyment out of compiling the list of recruits (to be denigrated by those sooo knowledgeable) with some of my pals here, so will continue that, maybe on AGS board.
NewXbo

Keep in mind that the Athletic Director said his goal is for every student athlete to have an opportunity to win a championship during his/her career at Lafayette College. So far, only men's basketball and women's field hockey have come anywhere close to doing this. One has to assume that he is representing the college when he makes such a statement.

I doubt that we have coaches that don't care if they win or lose. I doubt we have players who don't care if they win or lose. Everybody wants to win. Blaming the football coach, softball coach, tennis coach or any coach does not solve the problem.

It's up to the Athletic Director and those he reports to, to set the bar higher for all sports and provide the resources required to meet those goals.
flyfisher

whatthefrank? wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
I get a chuckle from posters here who admit they never played the game or even understand certain facets, yet seem to think they have all the answers.



Fly I have been involved as a player at every level and had the honor to be coached by several college and NFL Hall of Famers and I wish I didn't, but I have to agree with most of what Carney and the rest have to say.  Year after year, regardless of players, assistants , or administrations, Franks teams are terribly inconsistent and .500 seems to the high bar.

This is a place for us to spout our opinions right?  Also I am sure each and everyone on this board wishes nothing but the best for the team and would like to be talking about something other than what is wrong - but they have to win for that to happen!  ALso it is worth saying that the people who are taking flak for their venting are true and loyal Pard fans and have been and will continue to be long after the others have come and gone and Lafayette football is no longer important to them.

Do what you do and you get what you got!  unfortunately for us that has not been very good!!!  Just sayin


Since you played the game I obviously wasn't talking to you. This refers to about 3 people.

Example: people complain when we run the ball and then complain when we can't run the ball. Since you played the game you would know the easiest way to win a game is to be able to run the ball, to impose your will on the other team. Unfortunately we cannot do that. We have neither the line or backs to do this successfully. So we throw tne ball a lot, mostly in a ball control type passing scheme. The passes to 4 and others in the flat are as good as a run. An attempt to get the ball out in space and create a mismatch. We can't go downfield much because we don't get separation nor do we always Have time to go deep. My point is many here complain when we run the ball but of we are ever going to win consistently we have to have some kind of running game. Princeton's defensive game plan was simple. Put 7 in the box, stop the run. Pull the safeties up to stop the short routes because we could not stretch the field. I called this last week when someone asked what Princeton should do. On offense they challenged our depleted DB's and made sure they got a hat on the weakside lber, Bryant. No way they were going to let him run around unblocked. Btw, I Am not questioning the offensive scheme we ran. It was the best plan we could run based on the talent we had available. We could not stretch the field and we could not run the ball.. Doesn't leave us many choices.

On defense we now start 4 of the 9 returning we had at the Beginning of the year, plus we lost several 2nd string guys.

Our performance Saturday was pitiful. Anything we say is just excuses. However reality is we had 58 players last week at one practice and we started the year with 89. We lost our offensive leader before the season started. We lost our defensive leader in Brockman. Everyone can complain all they want. Not sure what good it is going to do. Anyone associated with the team is disappointed where we are. However we are where we are. Some here will throw out that line, next man up. That coach speak sounds great until you actually have to do it. Every freshman we have is going to have to play except for the QB. It is what it is. Last week we lost Desean Brown on walk through day, Thursday. We get Zataveski back and he has a hand injury first day back.

I saw a comment somewhere from someone on here about Bourger and his friends. Let me tell you, without that man LC football would be D3. Some of you have no idea how much he and his contacts do for the program.
BPard

NewXbo wrote:
Keep in mind that the Athletic Director said his goal is for every student athlete to have an opportunity to win a championship during his/her career at Lafayette College. So far, only men's basketball and women's field hockey have come anywhere close to doing this.
Actually, during Tavani's tenure only 4 classes (except for the current freshmen and sophomores), have NOT won a championship, which is a higher bar than the opportunity to win a championship.

If you count 2009's 8-3 (4-2) record as having a chance, then only the incoming class in 2000 under Tavani did not fulfill this goal. In 2009, we lost 26-28 to Holy Cross, who were the conference champs. If we won that one game, we would've been conference champs in 2009. I don't remember that game, but I'd say missing a championship by 3 points counts as having an opportunity to win a championship.

Which would be 13 out of 14 classes who have played their entire careers at Lafayette under Frank achieved this goal.

By this metric, football is a model of success.

Disclosure: I am one of the ignorant buffoons that fly chuckles at.

EDIT: Fixed the 2009 record.
carney2

Andy wrote:
You know what, carney and his constant negativity chased off a fun and knowledgeable poster, Pard94, several years back. I'm not as well informed or as astute a student of the game as 94, but I'm equally gone. I just cant take the BS.  I'll leave it to the naysayers.

To my friends on the board, see you at Fisher.

I still get some enjoyment out of compiling the list of recruits (to be denigrated by those sooo knowledgeable) with some of my pals here, so will continue that, maybe on AGS board.


Pointless for both of us to leave.  You stay.  I'm gone.
flyfisher

Some still don't see my point. The issues run much deeper than what we saw on the field last weekend. I keep thinking some of you are involved in the. college but I guess not. I'm not going to sit here and discuss coaching. I'm a glass half full guy so I tend to see the good. I'm just saying some of you may not have the whole picture. And I know there are some things I don't know as well. Changing coaches may or may not help but it won't address the core issues. Get off the keyboards and get involved.
Zeus

The people who constantly complain about things that are over their heads are the same people who bad mouth recruits before their first class on campus. They are also the same people criticizing the defense when they are what? 8-9 guys down?
bethlehempard

No expert here. Like 98 percent of the people in the stands and watching TV. Just a multi-decade fan and minor contributor.
Nobody has the right to tell anybody who is qualified to be a fan or who's more loyal and true. What bull crap.
Last week's game was among the worst anybody here has ever seen. Nobody is denying that I hope? I hope for better. Right now I don't know why.
We've won titles before with similar starts. That's all we got right now.
Zeus

...and If Lafayette wins the league this year, people will find ways to undermine and criticize that.. just like they did two years ago.
Franks Tanks

flyfisher wrote:
Some still don't see my point. The issues run much deeper than what we saw on the field last weekend. I keep thinking some of you are involved in the. college but I guess not. I'm not going to sit here and discuss coaching. I'm a glass half full guy so I tend to see the good. I'm just saying some of you may not have the whole picture. And I know there are some things I don't know as well. Changing coaches may or may not help but it won't address the core issues. Get off the keyboards and get involved.


We all deeply understand Fly, and you are tilting at windmills by continuing to bring this up.  All I can say is that other programs in our league face the same issues as we do.  We could all use more money for assistants, or recruiting or more help from admissions.  Whatever.  We know Frank faces challenges, but so does Coach Susan, Hunt, Coen and Gilmore.  I understand Bucknell isn't even going to fund 60 scholarships for example.  We have a full compliment of league allowed ships, a great facility and reasonable people in admissions for the most part.  This is as good as it gets. We need someone who can succeed with what is given.  If assistant salaries aren't the best, the we need a head coach who can game plan.  Moorhead calls his plays.  We can hire young hungry assistants who would work for less for a few years for experience.

Not so long ago Tom Masella at Fordham was stinking it up.  They brought in a new guy, who was the right hire, and the rest is history. Nothing else changed.  

I thunk the kids deserve better.  That is all.
flyfisher

Frank, I understand your opinion. What I am saying is there are some financial matters that the other schools, other than Georgetown, DO NOT encounter. It's not what you think.
Zeus

Sorry, but FT's post is absolutely loaded with false narrative points.
SIDELINER

Here is The Morning Call's followup from Saturday's game. It makes mention of 14 players being injured in that game alone.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...otball-follow-20150920-story.html

If I counted correctly in the box score online, 13 freshmen played in Saturday night's game and another 13 sophomores -- and it wasn't all a matter of running down on kickoffs, either. I have no idea how many guys who played had not taken a single varsity rep during the week but suddenly got the next-man-in call during the game. The ranks are pretty thin right now, I'm guessing. And the way things have been going, even 0-3 Wagner will be a handful.
bison137

flyfisher wrote:
Frank, I understand your opinion. What I am saying is there are some financial matters that the other schools, other than Georgetown, DO NOT encounter. It's not what you think.



Susan has a lot worse financial issues at Bucknell than Tavani has at LC.   LC has more scholarships, much better facilities, and spends a lot more on football in general.
Leopard Loyalist

Zeus wrote:
Sorry, but FT's post is absolutely loaded with false narrative points.


It would be useful for those posters who are "in the know" be as upfront as they can about the situation. Nobody expects complete transparency, of course. But blanket assertions that everyone's natural instincts are all wrong aren't real helpful.
Franks Tanks

Zeus wrote:
Sorry, but FT's post is absolutely loaded with false narrative points.


Please tell me what is incorrect.

What we will have 58 ships instead of 60?

Gilmore and Susan have it at least as bad as Frank in regard to funding and crap from admissions.  Colgate I think has some more money, but are also challenged by a lack of enthusiasm for football amongst faculty/admin.  Fordham sucked, even with scholarships, until they got the right coach.

I'm tired of people acting like Frank is a martyr.  I will disregard this year due to crazy bad luck, but the team has been wildly inconsistent since Bob Heffner split town.  We have challenges.  Every PL schools does, but I believe we can do better.
Lafalum

Leopard Loyalist wrote:
Zeus wrote:
Sorry, but FT's post is absolutely loaded with false narrative points.


It would be useful for those posters who are "in the know" be as upfront as they can about the situation. Nobody expects complete transparency, of course. But blanket assertions that everyone's natural instincts are all wrong aren't real helpful.


I hate to beat a dead horse here but the entire athletic dept has not had their operating budget increased for 8 years. That is a fact. Football must come up with money for 2 additional scholarships in order to be at 60 We need 58 1/2 to get a pay for play BCS game.  We do not redshirt.I do not know about admission but I do know that admissabilty is a confusing moving target in general. The AD does not report to the president like other schools which means there is no direct advocate for athletics.
I have more but that is the general state of play.
bethlehempard

Hey it's just a chat board. I hope all stay on. I've learned a lot here.
Go Pards and Pard fans.
BPard

Leopard Loyalist wrote:
Zeus wrote:
Sorry, but FT's post is absolutely loaded with false narrative points.


It would be useful for those posters who are "in the know" be as upfront as they can about the situation. Nobody expects complete transparency, of course. But blanket assertions that everyone's natural instincts are all wrong aren't real helpful.

+1

I'm sick and tired of vague handwaving from folks at the College which amounts to bullshit misdirection. This is not just an athletics issue, it is an unfortunate part of the culture. Unfortunately for the folks selling this garbage, we got a damn fine education at Lafayette and can tell it is trash.

Recently Fly has made allusions, which I assume are to past decision points about dropping football altogether or moving to Division III. These are settled history and the fallout is well known to most alumni, certainly all who followed athletics closely. The admin and BOT are adamant about those being settled and us moving on.

What are the financial matters that only Lafayette and Georgetown face in the Patriot league? If you don't tell us, we can't help. And we're not going to write checks unless we know what it is for. You need to tell us.

Unless "get involved" is a euphemism for something other than writing a check. Most of us already go to games and watch games. Some of us even engage the faculty to talk about the importance of athletic experiences in our own personal lives as well as an enduring, livelong connection to the College. Some faculty are in fact highly engaged - one was executive director of the Patriot League. Some of us are also AARs (admissions reps) and regional chapter volunteers/leaders who advocate for athletics.

If it is all about the money, come up with a number and then stop making excuses when that number is met. So what is it? How much money do we need to raise for athletics for funding/finances to stop being a perennial excuse?

At least lafalum does point to org structure of the College as something other finances. However, I'm not sure Bruce being a member of the Cabinet would make that much of a difference. Maybe.

Sure admissions can be an issue for coaches/athletics, and imho always should be at a place like Patriot League or Ivy League. If this wasn't true, then one of those groups wouldn't be doing their jobs.
Bogus Megapardus

Week 4 Sportsbook

Villanova (-26) vs. Penn o/u 51

Holy Cross (-4) vs. Colgate o/u 41½

Fordham (-14½) vs. Monmouth o/u 61

Georgetown (-6½) at Columbia o/u 42

Yale (-24) vs. Cornell o/u 66

Princeton (-11) vs. Lehigh o/u 61½

Wagner (-3) vs. Lafayette o/u 39

Harvard (-19) vs. Brown o/u 46

Dartmouth (-14) vs. Sacred Heart o/u 53

Bucknell - BYE

*   *   *   *   *   *   *

Other Games of Interest

North Carolina (-37) vs. Delaware o/u 60

Southern Methodist (-10) vs. James Madison o/u 71

Jacksonville (-14) at Marist o/u 38

Albany (-5) vs. Duquesne o/u

William & Mary (-6) vs. Stony Brook o/u 40

Maine (-19½) vs. Rhode Island o/u 40

New Hampshire (-30) vs. Central Connecticut o/u 51
Pard4Life

Whoa! Step away for a day and... wow

"I saw a comment somewhere from someone on here about Bourger and his friends. Let me tell you, without that man LC football would be D3. Some of you have no idea how much he and his contacts do for the program."

Fly - if it weren't for FM Kirby we would be in D3. There is a reason his number was retired.  Bourger can't don't enough and unfortunately he is treated like crap by the Admin. Any lesser person would have hightailed years ago. Unfortunaly many have with the frat situation but I digress.
Pard4Life

Andy wrote:
You know what, carney and his constant negativity chased off a fun and knowledgeable poster, Pard94, several years back. I'm not as well informed or as astute a student of the game as 94, but I'm equally gone. I just cant take the BS.  I'll leave it to the naysayers.

To my friends on the board, see you at Fisher.

I still get some enjoyment out of compiling the list of recruits (to be denigrated by those sooo knowledgeable) with some of my pals here, so will continue that, maybe on AGS board.


C'mon Andy c2 didn't chase off 94. Don't know what happened to him though. He was doing a blog of Pard football during the 2010 season and just stopped like a quarter the way through. Timeline coincides with his disappearance here.
rjphog

Wagner (-3) vs. Lafayette o/u 39

I'll take LC with an outright win for a C note!
Lafalum

Pard4Life wrote:
Whoa! Step away for a day and... wow

"I saw a comment somewhere from someone on here about Bourger and his friends. Let me tell you, without that man LC football would be D3. Some of you have no idea how much he and his contacts do for the program."

Fly - if it weren't for FM Kirby we would be in D3. There is a reason his number was retired.  Bourger can't don't enough and unfortunately he is treated like crap by the Admin. Any lesser person would have hightailed years ago. Unfortunaly many have with the frat situation but I digress.


I will entirely endorse and confirm the above!!! There is NO ONE who has done more for Lafayette College football in the face of so much crap from the last two two administrations.  There was a core group that kept us out of Div 3 and Jack was one of them.
Pard4Life

Few things:

1) the college takes advantage of donor's genorosity. You think Admin would meet Bourger and others halfway but no

2) like fly and Lafalum say, scholarships are not all what they seem. Games are still being played.

3) You can't deny though that there is something fundamentally wrong with the team. I've never heard of a team losing 1/3 to injuries by week 4 unless they were woefully outmanned (think a small public in a powe parochial league)

4) Frank doesn't seem right. Haven't seen him in interviews this year but he seems tired on the sideline. Dealing with crap for the past five years doesn't help. In sense, it's like the end of the Russo era.

5) All this though does not mean we can't show some emotion and and sound fundamentals on the field. I keep citing Texas for a reason. One thing goes wrong on the field and you get the feeling it's over. Guys keep playing but you know. You feel it. Can't explain it. But you know. We can't continue like that. You get Columbia if you do.

We do need new blood on the sideline. Frank had crap to deal with in the early 2000s and Rothkopf was the president. He fought through it but now doesn't have the answers. I like Frank but the job is not getting done. We need a new tone. The BS games (the political variety) will continue but it has been proven you can win here despite nonsense.

And no, not on a witch hunt here. The tone comes from the top. It always does.
Bogus Megapardus

rjphog wrote:
Wagner (-3) vs. Lafayette o/u 39

I'll take LC with an outright win for a C note!


I'm going to agree, rjphog.  I think they'll be out for blood at this point.  I haven't had a chance to look at Wagner yet (other than to know they have a good, long-time coach) but I think we take this one.

It's not going to be easy and I think the Pards know that.
ELB

Wagner was more physical than we were in last year's game, but we managed a win.  I expect the same will be the case next Saturday - hopefully with the same result.

The LC fans that did not play football have as much right to post here as do past 4-year starters.  All facts (and even opinions) should be welcomed.  I used to work for a large company whose president championed the motto "Facts are friendly."  I resigned as I grew to realize the president's view really was "Only friendly facts are friendly."  I like all the posters here - even when they knock heads or are negative.  I would hate to see anyone leave due to differing opinions.  Let's encourage more views rather than fewer.  Thesis + antithesis = synthesis.
LeopardBall10

Quote:
Whoa! Step away for a day and... wow


You're not kidding.



I've been in that locker room in Bourger for an 0-3 start and to be honest I am just worried about those guys putting on the pads. Especially the ones who really care. The self-doubt comes to an ugly head and the rumors start to flow.

And whether or not you agree with Frank or the staff if you see those assistants please go out of your way to shake their hand and give encouragement. When things get as bad as they look from the outside it won't take long for the discussions about what to do with the house they bought or where their kids will go to school if they get fired. Many here think Frank's job is safe no matter what, but he has been forced to make staff changes in the past and those guys know that.
BillS

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Quote:
Whoa! Step away for a day and... wow


You're not kidding.



I've been in that locker room in Bourger for an 0-3 start and to be honest I am just worried about those guys putting on the pads. Especially the ones who really care. The self-doubt comes to an ugly head and the rumors start to flow.

And whether or not you agree with Frank or the staff if you see those assistants please go out of your way to shake their hand and give encouragement. When things get as bad as they look from the outside it won't take long for the discussions about what to do with the house they bought or where their kids will go to school if they get fired. Many here think Frank's job is safe no matter what, but he has been forced to make staff changes in the past and those guys know that.
Frank resurrected this program and I'll be forever grateful for that, but the way he looked last weekend I'm worried about his health . Frank is signed on for one more season but seriously I really think if this train wreck continues it would be best for Frank and his family to call it quits. Thoughts ?
rjphog

Winning cures a lot of ails.

I would imagine things would look a lot different now if we just punched in a TD or two in the opening drives of each of the first three games.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda...I get it. But we did drive the ball and were knocking on the door. Don't know if the outcome from a win/loss standpoint would have changed...but there would definitely be a different demeanor in the locker room and on this forum if we scored on those drives.
Pards Rule

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Quote:
Whoa! Step away for a day and... wow


You're not kidding.



I've been in that locker room in Bourger for an 0-3 start and to be honest I am just worried about those guys putting on the pads. Especially the ones who really care. The self-doubt comes to an ugly head and the rumors start to flow.

And whether or not you agree with Frank or the staff if you see those assistants please go out of your way to shake their hand and give encouragement. When things get as bad as they look from the outside it won't take long for the discussions about what to do with the house they bought or where their kids will go to school if they get fired. Many here think Frank's job is safe no matter what, but he has been forced to make staff changes in the past and those guys know that.


LB10, I did just that at half as a coach was returning to the box and I was in concession line. I patted him on back and said "Go get em coach"...No, I never played any football except pickup but folks know Im certainly Pard friendly. And Jack is a class guy. He has been there for Pard football when it was critical and all the other times. We need to circle the wagons. A team divided against its fans is beset (to paraphrase Lincoln).
flyfisher

You boys take care.
bison137

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
 I haven't had a chance to look at Wagner yet (other than to know they have a good, long-time coach) but I think we take this one.




Actually you know even less than you think you know.     Very Happy

Wagner's long-time coach, Walt Hameline, who had been in that job for about 35 years, retired from coaching last fall.   So they have a brand-new coach.  Iirc, the new coach was their OC the past few years.

I agree that LC should win this one.
LeopardBall10

bison137 wrote:
I agree that LC should win this one.


Unfortunately Bison137, those tend to be the games that Frank's teams have the worst time with, the ones they should win. That is what has surprised most this young season. Every year we get one or two of Frank's signature no-show games, but the team is usually ready (at least mentally) when they are asked to play up or have their backs against the wall. At this point I have no idea what the psychology of this team is.
Franks Tanks

I hope we win, but I am not very confident.

Wagner is always tough and well coached.  Given our devastating injuries on D, and our inability to score I can't pick the Pards to win until the offense picks up (which may be 2016).

Wagner- 20 Pards- 9  (I hope I am wrong)

Wagner's new head coach played for Lafayette by the way (for one year anyway).
edge29

Whoa!  Surprised

I feel like the guy who came out of the bathroom after the bar fight.
LeopardBall10

edge29 wrote:
Whoa!  Surprised

I feel like the guy who came out of the bathroom after the bar fight.


Perfect analogy! One minute your in a packed Milo's trying to shoulder your way to the urinal. The next you walk out into a half empty bar with no music playing and all of your friends are in line at WaWa.
Bogus Megapardus

SIDELINER

Some personnel changes are mentioned in the EXTRA POINTS section of The Morning Call coverage of the Tuesday luncheon.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...ncheon-wagner-20150922-story.html

Also, something interesting from Brad at the E-T. How many do you agree with?

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...in_a_dark_pictu.html#incart_river
pardfan

If there were such a thing as a "Naysayer Manifesto," I'm sure it would say something like, "Hey, you guys have the facilities, admissions on your side, and (to a degree) the money.  Now WIN."  After the Princeton game, I think there is a LOT of concern out there.  As for me, that last sentence should now read, "Keep it close, please."

My concern is that two of our flagship programs--football and (I maintain) men's basketball--might fall below the Mendoza Line (baseball term).  (Softball has been there for some time.)  I define the Mendoza Line (for our purposes) as a line which, when crossed, says that your team could have Vince Lombardi or Coach K and the other team could be led by Phyllis Diller and it wouldn't change the outcome.  (Princeton was a Mendoza loss, to be sure.)  Crossing the Mendoza Line also results in fan apathy.  It doesn't take long for attendance of 9,172 to be 917.
Pard4Life

Good point pardfan. The Yankee Stadium game tuned in dollars and eyeballs to Lafayette football. This season is perhaps the worst possible outcome on the field. People will walk away again.

Our first game had 7500 fans and the second had 9000.  We have not drawn 9000 for a non-Lehigh game since 2009. And with regard to the first game, there were tons of students. It's not good at all.
Pard4Life

LeopardBall10 wrote:
edge29 wrote:
Whoa!  Surprised

I feel like the guy who came out of the bathroom after the bar fight.


Perfect analogy! One minute your in a packed Milo's trying to shoulder your way to the urinal. The next you walk out into a half empty bar with no music playing and all of your friends are in line at WaWa.


Haha. I was thinking more like the Bronx Tale bar fight scene. You're at the bar, head to the John, the bikers come in, there's a fight, bikers kicked out, and then you come out and it's like "whoa! What'd I miss?!"

Whatever. If people have stuck around here since 2009 you're in it for the long haul!

I'm still going to games, though I was planning on going to Wagner but now I'm not since it's just to disheartening to watch plus a car trip.
Newleopardfan2

Wow - Here I thought I was walking into the Wagner pre-game discussion and it turned out to be a bar fight. Well, I've only been here since 2009, so I'm gonna give it a few more years before I let a little 3 game losing streak and something like a 90-20 cumulative score scare me away from this team! Hey, what about Yankee Stadium? Now, THAT was fun! And the year before that, something like 50-28 at Goodman. THAT was fun, too! We're looking at a possible 3-peat over the Stain, something only done TWICE since 1955. So, come on back, guys, there's still lots of football left to be played here!
Bogus Megapardus

Here's a few Frankosaurus Chalkboard notes for the Wagner game:

- We beat Wagner last season 35-23 on September 27, 2014.  Attendance at Fisher was 8,756.

- Wagner is 0-2 this season, with losses to FBS Rice, 56-13 and to Monmouth, 31-16.  Wagner also plays FBS Brigham Young later this year.

- As Bison137 points out, Wagner has a new Head Coach, Jason Houghtaling.  Houghtaling, formerly Wagner's offensive coordinator, replaces 34-year Wagner head coach (and athletic director) Walt Hameline.
 
- Coach Houghtaling played DL for Lafayette in the early 2000s before transferring to Binghamton due to an injury that cut short his playing career.

- In last season's game, the Wagner QB was Brian Gehring.  Gehring went 11-31 for 179 yards and 3 TDs.  He also rushed 6 times for 24 yards.

- Gehring was injured later in the season and was replaced by Chris Andrews, who is Wagner's present starting QB.  Andrews started five games last season and went 4-1.  Andrews (listed at 6-1/225) throws left-handed, which can be an issue.

- Wagner's featured RBs in last year's game were Otis Wright and Brandon Peoples.  Both return and are 1-2 on the Wagner depth chart.

- In last year's game, Wagner WR Lloyd Smith led the Seahawks with 5 catches for 71 yards.  This year Wagner's featured receivers include 5th year senior Anthony Carrington as well as Smith.  Carrington did not play in last year's game.

- Against Monmouth last Saturday, QB Andrews was Wagner's leading rusher with 11 carries for 64 yards, while RB Otis Wright finished with 57 yards on the ground on 12 carries.  Andrews completed 11 of 20 passes for 112 yards against Monmouth.

- Drew Reed started last year's game for the Pards.  Drew left the game in the second quarter and was replaced by Blake Searfoss, who went 14-23 for 173 yards and 2 TDs in the win.

- Ross Scheuerman (of course) was the leading rusher for the Pards with 29 carries for 155 yards.  Scheuerman also was the leading Lafayette receiver, catching 5 passes for 91 yards.  Basically the offense was the Ross Scheuerman show start to finish, as usual.
Bogus Megapardus

Selected Wagner Two-Deep (from last week's game).  Size matters:

OFFENSIVE LINE

LEFT TACKLE
71 - Brus Palaj (Sr., 6-6, 300)
73 - Nazir Barnett (Sr., 6-4, 290)

LEFT GUARD
74 - Eddie Garcia (Sr., 6-2, 295)
79 - Titus Richards (So., 6-3, 280)

CENTER
65 - Joachim Christensen (Jr., 6-4, 295)
64 - Dan O’Neill (So., 6-1, 290)

RIGHT GUARD
77 - Kevin Messier (5th-Sr., 6-5, 295)
72 - Kevin Foulds (Fr., 6-4, 260)

RIGHT TACKLE
75 - Andrew Oberg (5th-S., 6-8, 300)
67 - Daniel Clifford (Fr., 6-4, 295)


DEFENSIVE LINE

DEFENSIVE END
51 - John Aubel (5th-Sr., 6-3, 250)
50 - Jordan Baskerville (So., 6-2, 265)

NOSE TACKLE
94 - Fidel Okoye (Sr., 6-2, 295)
63 - Christan Gore (Jr., 6-1, 290)

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
92 - Mike Mentor (Sr., 6-2, 270)
99 - Daevonte Barnett (5th-Sr., 6-4, 280)


LINEBACKERS

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
6 - Greg Hilliard (5th-Sr., 6-3, 245)
40 - Justin Osuji (So., 6-2, 225)

INSIDE LINEBACKER
33 - Stephon Font-Toomer (Sr., 6-1, 240)
34 - Matt Barnett (Sr., 6-1, 235)

INSIDE LINEBACKER
4 - Jarrid Williams (5th-Sr, 6-1, 235)
56 - Randall May (So., 6-2, 230)

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
20 - Najee Harris (Sr., 6-1, 225)
17 - Nick Menocal (5th-Sr., 6-3, 245)
whatthefrank?

Newleopardfan2 wrote:
Wow - Here I thought I was walking into the Wagner pre-game discussion and it turned out to be a bar fight. Well, I've only been here since 2009, so I'm gonna give it a few more years before I let a little 3 game losing streak and something like a 90-20 cumulative score scare me away from this team! Hey, what about Yankee Stadium? Now, THAT was fun! And the year before that, something like 50-28 at Goodman. THAT was fun, too! We're looking at a possible 3-peat over the Stain, something only done TWICE since 1955. So, come on back, guys, there's still lots of football left to be played here!



AMEN to that!! Great points.  As fun as the beat down at Yankee stadium was, I am still giddy about crushing them on their field for a title the year before!  Lots can happen between now and the end of the season, lots already has! I am sorry if I offended anyone on this board that was not my intent. As a program we just seem to trip over the same rock a lot and I am hoping that we have gotten that out of the way for this season and can start being competitive
Kpard

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Selected Wagner Two-Deep (from last week's game).  Size matters:

OFFENSIVE LINE

LEFT TACKLE
71 - Brus Palaj (Sr., 6-6, 300)
73 - Nazir Barnett (Sr., 6-4, 290)

LEFT GUARD
74 - Eddie Garcia (Sr., 6-2, 295)
79 - Titus Richards (So., 6-3, 280)

CENTER
65 - Joachim Christensen (Jr., 6-4, 295)
64 - Dan O’Neill (So., 6-1, 290)

RIGHT GUARD
77 - Kevin Messier (5th-Sr., 6-5, 295)
72 - Kevin Foulds (Fr., 6-4, 260)

RIGHT TACKLE
75 - Andrew Oberg (5th-S., 6-8, 300)
67 - Daniel Clifford (Fr., 6-4, 295)


DEFENSIVE LINE

DEFENSIVE END
51 - John Aubel (5th-Sr., 6-3, 250)
50 - Jordan Baskerville (So., 6-2, 265)

NOSE TACKLE
94 - Fidel Okoye (Sr., 6-2, 295)
63 - Christan Gore (Jr., 6-1, 290)

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
92 - Mike Mentor (Sr., 6-2, 270)
99 - Daevonte Barnett (5th-Sr., 6-4, 280)


LINEBACKERS

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
6 - Greg Hilliard (5th-Sr., 6-3, 245)
40 - Justin Osuji (So., 6-2, 225)

INSIDE LINEBACKER
33 - Stephon Font-Toomer (Sr., 6-1, 240)
34 - Matt Barnett (Sr., 6-1, 235)

INSIDE LINEBACKER
4 - Jarrid Williams (5th-Sr, 6-1, 235)
56 - Randall May (So., 6-2, 230)

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
20 - Najee Harris (Sr., 6-1, 225)
17 - Nick Menocal (5th-Sr., 6-3, 245)


ILB Font-Toomer is a local LV product - Bethlehem Liberty HS Grad
Zeus

[quote="Pard4Life:50150"]Good point pardfan. The Yankee Stadium game tuned in dollars and eyeballs to Lafayette football. This season is perhaps the worst possible outcome on the field. People will walk away again.

Our first game had 7500 fans and the second had 9000.  We have not drawn 9000 for a non-Lehigh game since 2009. And with regard to the first game, there were tons of students. It's not good at all.[/quote]

what money was tuned into lafayette football?
ELB

Almost all teams are right-handed; they run the ball to the right about 60% of running attempts.  Princeton ran about 70-75% to the right, maybe more (I didn't count - that was just my impression).  Will Wagner, with a left hand QB be the reverse?  If so, will be interesting to watch.
bison137

ELB wrote:
Almost all teams are right-handed; they run the ball to the right about 60% of running attempts.  



Interesting.   Curious what site has that statistic for college games.

In the NFL during 2014-15, teams have run slightly more to the left.
flyfisher

bison137 wrote:
ELB wrote:
Almost all teams are right-handed; they run the ball to the right about 60% of running attempts.  



Interesting.   Curious what site has that statistic for college games.
A
In the NFL during 2014-15, teams have run slightly more to the left.

Because the Left Tackle in the NFL is the best lineman. Not always the case in college. SomeQB prefer to go right and move better tha way. And some teams like to run weakside.
flyfisher

bison137 wrote:
ELB wrote:
Almost all teams are right-handed; they run the ball to the right about 60% of running attempts.  



Interesting.   Curious what site has that statistic for college games.
A
In the NFL during 2014-15, teams have run slightly more to the left.

Because the Left Tackle in the NFL is the best lineman. Not always the case in college. SomeQB prefer to go right and move better tha way. And some teams like to run weakside.
ELB

flyfisher wrote:
bison137 wrote:
ELB wrote:
Almost all teams are right-handed; they run the ball to the right about 60% of running attempts.  



Interesting.   Curious what site has that statistic for college games.
A
In the NFL during 2014-15, teams have run slightly more to the left.

Because the Left Tackle in the NFL is the best lineman. Not always the case in college. SomeQB prefer to go right and move better tha way. And some teams like to run weakside.

Thanks Fly.  Glad to have you and your thoughtful insight back.  Maybe we can get Andy back to - that would be super.
Bogus Megapardus

I'm trying to find some evidence of whether Wagner prefers to run/pass to the left or to the right with left-handed QB Chris Andrews.  I've googled my fingers off but I cannot find a complete game video to fast-forward through or any box score with a play-by-play that shows whether a play was run to the right or to the left.

Having such info would help to figure out where Wagner puts the strength of its run blocking.  I guess the only thing we can know for certain is that the RT (fifth-year senior Andrew Oberg, 6-8, 300) is protecting Andrews' blind side when he drops back.

Note that Andrews attempted only 20 passes against Monmouth and he completed only 11 of them  - none longer that 21 yards - and he was intercepted twice.  I think it's reasonably prudent to suspect that Wagner will be running the ball a lot.



EDIT - Wagner blind-side RT Andrew Oberg is a transfer from UNLV.  Oberg actually was a two-year starter for UNLV.  It appears that Oberg's older sister was a scholarship basketball player for UNLV, which might help answer the obvious question, "what's a kid from Lawn Guyland doing all the way out there in Las Vegas?"



Bogus Megapardus

Also - Wagner fell behind early against both Rice and Monmouth but they continued to run the ball despite large deficits.

Wagner had one offensive TD against Monmouth - a 4-yard pass by backup QB Alex Thompson in garbage time (0:49 left in the game).  Wagner's other TD in that game was an 83-yard KO return by RB Otis Wright.

The same backup QB also threw a TD in garbage time against Rice, though that one was a 50 yard heave-and-run.
NewXbo

Don't know if it does, but it would make sense that they would run right more than left. As fly says, the NFL puts its best blocker on the left because he is protecting the QB from the backside. In this case, Wagner's best blocker would be on the right side to protect the left handed thrower from backside.
SIDELINER

[quote="EDIT - Wagner blind-side RT Andrew Oberg is a transfer from UNLV.  Oberg actually was a two-year starter for UNLV.  It appears that Oberg's older sister was a scholarship basketball player for UNLV, which might help answer the obvious question, "what's a kid from Lawn Guyland doing all the way out there in Las Vegas?"



 [/quote]

Maybe this means that the Oberg kid had a year of eligibility left when he graduated from UNLV and he's doing grad work at Wagner and playing that year. Kind of like Safford from Lafayette did at Ga. Southern and more and more guys seem to be doing.

Wagner has a lot of seniors and red-shirt seniors on its offensive and defensive lines, which means the Seahawks will have lots of maturity over the baby Leopards like Kern and K. Zataveski and Grieser on the o-line. Coach T talks a lot about how one day those kids will be big Leopards. Well, they'll be doing a lot of growing up this year as well.
Bogus Megapardus

SIDELINER wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Wagner blind-side RT Andrew Oberg is a transfer from UNLV.  Oberg actually was a two-year starter for UNLV.  It appears that Oberg's older sister was a scholarship basketball player for UNLV, which might help answer the obvious question, "what's a kid from Lawn Guyland doing all the way out there in Las Vegas?"

Maybe this means that the Oberg kid had a year of eligibility left when he graduated from UNLV and he's doing grad work at Wagner and playing that year. Kind of like Safford from Lafayette did at Ga. Southern and more and more guys seem to be doing.

That's exactly right, Sideliner - Oberg now is a graduate student at Wagner pursuing an MBA.  He graduated form UNLV with a year of eligibility remaining.

http://www.silive.com/colleges/in...gner_caps_spring_football_wi.html
Bogus Megapardus

Also this thread is rapidly approaching an entire page containing posts that are devoted exclusively to Wagner vs. Lafayette football! Cool
Pard4Life

Zeus wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
Good point pardfan. The Yankee Stadium game tuned in dollars and eyeballs to Lafayette football. This season is perhaps the worst possible outcome on the field. People will walk away again.

Our first game had 7500 fans and the second had 9000.  We have not drawn 9000 for a non-Lehigh game since 2009. And with regard to the first game, there were tons of students. It's not good at all.


what money was tuned into lafayette football?


FoF received more donations last year.  It's in the brochure.  Not talking mega dollars, but enough to make a difference in some spots.  Point is, winning = more interested alumni and more donations to FoF.
bethlehempard

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...ner.html#incart_river_mobile_home

Brad Wilson is still paying attention and I for one am grateful.

A winning season and league title remain in the realm of possibility.

BTW I stand with FT on beating Lehigh in Bethlehem two years ago. There's nothing better than taking it from them at their home.

Come back Carney! The bell curve is skewed without you. That and your "dark corner of the universe" comment was sort of inspiring.
Bogus Megapardus

Wagner (finally) has posted its game notes for this weekend:

http://www.wagnerathletics.com/do..._Game_Notes_Lafayette.pdf?id=3494

Lafayette's game notes are here:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schoo...6/release/release_20150922aaa.pdf

Wagner's Two-Deep looks *almost* the same as posted above.  Otis Wright (#3) is the go-to back but they switch up with #11 Matthias McKinnon to keep Wright fresh.  Of considerable note is that Wagner's second leading rusher is the QB, Andrews, who has 91 yards on 19 attempts so far.  One would guess that Art Link is going to keep a guy on him.

Wagner's leading tacklers are #33 ILB Stephon Font-Toomer and #29 SS Bruce Brittingham.  The Seahawks top receiver to date this season has been Lloyd Smith but  - and this is the *almost* part - Smith does not appear on Wagner's two-deep this week so I guess he's out for whatever reason.

The game will be on LSN and on NEC FrontRow and on ESPN3 so there's no excuse for not watching.  I'm betting that ESPN3 will carry the Laubach/Joseph call even though the game is at Wagner.
bethlehempard

From the Staten Island Advance:

http://www.silive.com/sports/adva..._a_quarterback_change_in_the.html

"You can't win when you turn the ball over four times," he declared with more than a small sense of frustration.
bethlehempard

Tonight's meaningless statistic:

The combined record of the 10 teams in tomorrow's five Patriot League games is 8-16.

Four of the 10 are winless: LC, Wagner, Colgate and Columbia.
Bogus Megapardus

NewXbo wrote:
Don't know if it does, but it would make sense that they would run right more than left. As fly says, the NFL puts its best blocker on the left because he is protecting the QB from the backside. In this case, Wagner's best blocker would be on the right side to protect the left handed thrower from backside.

True, though a team's best pass blocker is not always its best run blocker.  In Wagner's case, though, the RT probably is the best run blocker too because the Seahawks have run the ball more than 70% of the time this season (as derived from Wagner's official stats), and they've completed just 54% of their passes.

That would lead to the conclusion that they tend to run to the right where the overall strength of the OL lies.  The question then becomes - when the QB rolls off to run (which appears to happen often) or goes play-action, which way does he turn?



EDIT - this also sort of assumes that lots of Wagner's runs are off-tackle to the right.  I have no idea how many of their runs are up the middle where the Guards/Center use their size and heft to make holes.  With the state of our DL, can they chew up those kinds of blocks?  Will our LBs stay close and not fear the short passes and screens?  

Plus one of our LBs (at least) is going to have to stay keyed on the QB run at all times - which means he's not blitzing or dropping to cover a TE/SLOT or stuffing the RB or marking the screen (at least not initially).
ELB

Ignoring two tight end sets and one tight end weak side versus strong side and after researching a bit I find that in the NFL most teams are right handed because most quarterbacks are right handed.  In the NFL, where specialties come to the front, those teams with right handed QB's place their best pass blocker at left tackle (the blind side) and their best run blocker at right tackle - and run behind the right tackle on off tackle plays and right side options and sweeps more often than to the left.  I am certain that Princeton ran right a high percentage of attempts (guessing 70% - review of the game film could get us accurate numbers - but I'm not volunteering).  I will guess that Wagner will be a left handed run team.  We will probably have an inordinate number of running plays to help us judge.  I'm betting a Snickers bar more than 60% left.
Bogus Megapardus

ELB wrote:
 I am certain that Princeton ran right a high percentage of attempts (guessing 70% - review of the game film could get us accurate numbers - but I'm not volunteering).

Here's the replay:

http://livestream.com/lafayette/l...ttefootball-15-16/videos/99719122  Cool

ELB wrote:
I will guess that Wagner will be a left handed run team.  We will probably have an inordinate number of running plays to help us judge.  I'm betting a Snickers bar more than 60% left.

I'll take that bet if it doesn't include QB runs.  Excluding all runs through the A-gaps, I'm guessing RB runs primarily will go right and QB runs primarily will go left.

I like my Snickers bars frozen, please. Razz
Bogus Megapardus

bethlehempard wrote:
From the Staten Island Advance:

http://www.silive.com/sports/adva..._a_quarterback_change_in_the.html

"You can't win when you turn the ball over four times," he declared with more than a small sense of frustration.


"During practices this week Andrews' backup, soph Alex Thomson, has been taking as many snaps with the starters as [Andrews] has . . . . While Houghtaling refuses to say a quarterback shift is in the works in his team's run-up to Saturday's Grymes Hill meeting with Lafayette (0-3), he clearly has put the offense on notice."
Bogus Megapardus

OK this is depressing - the Sportsbook line has shifted from Wagner (-3) to Wagner (-3½).  This means that people actually are betting real money that Wagner will beat the spread.

I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part, and we're just the guys to do it.
bison137

ELB wrote:
Ignoring two tight end sets and one tight end weak side versus strong side and after researching a bit I find that in the NFL most teams are right handed because most quarterbacks are right handed.  



The stats I am looking at say that NFL teams in 2014-15 ran slightly more to the left than to the right.
Pards Rule

Interesting "you don't say" from the Staten Island Advance paper:

And from the small world of collegiate football department:

Walt Hameline inherited the reins at Wagner from Bill Russo all the way back in 1981.

Russo moved on to Lafayette, where he remained as head coach from 1981-through-1999.

Hameline retired from coaching at the end of the last season, and in his role as athletic director named Houghtaling as the new Seahawks' head coach.

Houghtaling's first experience in the college game?

He was recruited by Russo to play at Lafayette, and stayed there one season before completing his college career at Binghamton.
Kpard

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
OK this is depressing - the Sportsbook line has shifted from Wagner (-3) to Wagner (-3½).  This means that people actually are betting real money that Wagner will beat the spread.

I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part, and we're just the guys to do it.



That's right! Did we give up when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!
flyfisher

No improvement on the injury front. Never, ever seen anything like this.
SIDELINER

Does this sound familiar? Quarterback leads team to 4-1 record at the end of one season, then comes back the following season and can't quite get it together, losing the first two games?  That's the story of Wagner QB Andrews. Now there's whispering of a change.

Remember a Lafayette quarterback who was 4-1 at the end of one season and then struggled at the start of the next? Wears #7.  He hasn't yet recaptured the magic of 2013. Can today be the day?
Bogus Megapardus

flyfisher wrote:
No improvement on the injury front. Never, ever seen anything like this.


Wagner is another team with well over 100 players on the roster.  Depth upon depth.  The list includes 18 offensive linemen, 18 wide receivers, 11 quarterbacks and 24 linebackers.
rjphog

Any chance coaching staff uses this game as a tryout for all the newbies and "rests" all that are knicked up in preparation for league play?

Will we see Sunshine get his first reps?
Bogus Megapardus

Gate @ HC is shaping up to be a pretty good game so far.  Worth watching.

http://livestream.com/holycross/events/4181467
Franks Tanks

rjphog wrote:
Any chance coaching staff uses this game as a tryout for all the newbies and "rests" all that are knicked up in preparation for league play?

Will we see Sunshine get his first reps?


I sure hope not.  There are 11 games a year, and you try your best to win every single one.  You play the best guys at every position unless they are unable to play that given day.  Give your best shot each week, and worry about next game after.

All of this non league games is the pre season talk is garbage.  The players sure don't feel that way, and I hope everyone else associated with the program agrees with the players.  If our 3rd string qb showed enough in practice to play then he should play, but this isn't an exhibition game.
Bogus Megapardus

Watching G'Town @ Columbia.  It's just bizarre to see Al Bagnoli pacing the sidelines at Columbia.  So strange.
rjphog

Quote:
I sure hope not.  There are 11 games a year, and you try your best to win every single one.  You play the best guys at every position unless they are unable to play that given day.  Give your best shot each week, and worry about next game after.

All of this non league games is the pre season talk is garbage.  The players sure don't feel that way, and I hope everyone else associated with the program agrees with the players.  If our 3rd string qb showed enough in practice to play then he should play, but this isn't an exhibition game.



Agree 100% with the "try your best to win every single one" mentality. However, after listening to/reading Coach T's interviews, there is a clear message that league play is definitely more important than out of conference games and within league play, beating Lehigh is the ultimate goal...as if beating Lehigh is the measure of success.
Franks Tanks

rjphog wrote:
Quote:
I sure hope not.  There are 11 games a year, and you try your best to win every single one.  You play the best guys at every position unless they are unable to play that given day.  Give your best shot each week, and worry about next game after.

All of this non league games is the pre season talk is garbage.  The players sure don't feel that way, and I hope everyone else associated with the program agrees with the players.  If our 3rd string qb showed enough in practice to play then he should play, but this isn't an exhibition game.



Agree 100% with the "try your best to win every single one" mentality. However, after listening to/reading Coach T's interviews, there is a clear message that league play is definitely more important than out of conference games and within league play, beating Lehigh is the ultimate goal...as if beating Lehigh is the measure of success.


I agree, and my rant wasn't directed to you.  League games, and of course Lehigh, are extra important no doubt, but Frank's attitude here is unacceptable.  Non league games are not the stinking preseason.  It is any wonder we get crushed by squads we should compete with every year out of conference?
rjphog

No offense taken FT.

Carney's tag line "If you accept garbage..."is proving to be spot on.

Has to be frustrating for the players. They need to play with heart and fire, despite the lackluster coaching effort.
the last indian

Colgate-HC

Raiders pretty much dominate in the second half to win 31-14.  This is the team we have been looking for.

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