Archive for Lafayette Sports Fan Forum This forum is not affiliated in any way with Lafayette College, Lafayette College Athletics, The Maroon Club or any other official organization. Please be respectful of other posters as well as the athletes, coaches and administrators.
 


       Lafayette Sports Fan Forum Forum Index -> Whatever else
Lafalum

We still don't know where athletics goes

In the school newspaper as a result of Dicker's resignation, it was revealed by President Byerly that Gary Evans would return in a consulting role and Jim's other duties would go to "current staff." We still don't know what happens to athletics.
pards123

Doesn't (Shouldn't?) the AD report to the president at most schools?
Lafalum

pards123 wrote:
Doesn't (Shouldn't?) the AD report to the president at most schools?


I would be happy if it did, but it doesn't, and during this administrative turnover there is no mention of where it belongs or will go even temporarily. Will it go back to the Dean's office?? All the article says is that his other duties will split among the current staff. Who is that?? The only remaining presidential cabinet officers are the school's lawyer Muhlfelder and the VP/Dean Annette d'Orio. Anyone lower than that doesn't have a direct line to the President.
flyfisher

How in the world does the AD not report to the President?
Lafalum

flyfisher wrote:
How in the world does the AD not report to the President?


You have a point…but this is Lafayette. The very fact that it isn't mentioned makes it an afterthought. That is concerning to me!
ed65

I suspect the Admin (Byerly) was surprised by the spate of resignations and may want to take some time to decide who will do what.  That said, I suggest everyone on this Board write her and recommend that athletics report directly to her.  For better or worse, her attitude toward athletics will be a major determinant in the future of LC Sports.
Lafalum

Who athletics reports to will say everything about where we are headed.
ed65

I'm afraid your are right, Lafalum.
Lafalum

From a very good source…..Athletics to report to D'Orio
carney2

Lafalum wrote:
From a very good source…..Athletics to report to D'Orio


In the top secret, Dick Cheney world that is Lafayette College, I'm not sure I know what this means.  Isn't she the Dean of Students?  Wasn't it reported a long time ago that she was leaving?  Does she know or care anything about athletics?  Is this just a kick the can assignment for her or does this mean that athletics is being taken seriously?  Does anyone know how to access an organization chart for the administration?

In any event, this has little to do with d'Orio and everything to do with Byerly and her view of athletics in the College's present - and future.  Bogie said on AGS that Byerly is pro-athletics.  I don't know how he reached that conclusion.  This, in my opinion, is our first inkling.
Lafalum

carney2 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
From a very good source…..Athletics to report to D'Orio


In the top secret, Dick Cheney world that is Lafayette College, I'm not sure I know what this means.  Isn't she the Dean of Students?  Wasn't it reported a long time ago that she was leaving?  Does she know or care anything about athletics?  Is this just a kick the can assignment for her or does this mean that athletics is being taken seriously?  Does anyone know how to access an organization chart for the administration?

In any event, this has little to do with d'Orio and everything to do with Byerly and her view of athletics in the College's present - and future.  Bogie said on AGS that Byerly is pro-athletics.  I don't know how he reached that conclusion.  This is our first inkling.


She is VP for campus life, in the world of Lafayette I guess that means that athletics ranks with the chess club?? Seriously, d'Orio was never leaving, you might be thinking of Gambino who was the Dean of Students, who came from Lehigh and is going back to teaching as a tenured faculty member. ( I wonder if she gets a cut in salary.) She was Dean of Students and briefly moved to Plant Ops until Celestino left. Rumour was she was on the "wrong" side of the greek issue.  D'orio in my experience is a fair person, but I would still rather see athletics report to the president. I think earlier in her career she was the mentor for the field hockey team. She is a Maroon Club member which means she gives to athletics.
carney2

Lafalum wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
From a very good source…..Athletics to report to D'Orio


In the top secret, Dick Cheney world that is Lafayette College, I'm not sure I know what this means.  Isn't she the Dean of Students?  Wasn't it reported a long time ago that she was leaving?  Does she know or care anything about athletics?  Is this just a kick the can assignment for her or does this mean that athletics is being taken seriously?  Does anyone know how to access an organization chart for the administration?

In any event, this has little to do with d'Orio and everything to do with Byerly and her view of athletics in the College's present - and future.  Bogie said on AGS that Byerly is pro-athletics.  I don't know how he reached that conclusion.  This is our first inkling.


She is VP for campus life, in the world of Lafayette I guess that means that athletics ranks with the chess club?? Seriously, d'Orio was never leaving, you might be thinking of Gambino who was the Dean of Students, who came from Lehigh and is going back to teaching as a tenured faculty member. ( I wonder if she gets a cut in salary.) She was Dean of Students and briefly moved to Plant Ops until Celestino left. Rumour was she was on the "wrong" side of the greek issue.  D'orio in my experience is a fair person, but I would still rather see athletics report to the president. I think earlier in her career she was the mentor for the field hockey team. She is a Maroon Club member which means she gives to athletics.


Went to the College website and checked out the Division of Campus Life.

http://studentlife.lafayette.edu/staff/

Other than the Dean of Students reporting to the V.P. for Campus Life and Senior Diversity Officer, it looks like athletics will be nesting with "Intercultural," "Community Outreach," "Health Services," "Spiritual Life," Gender & Sexuality," and the like.  Freely admitting that I have no idea at all what's going on, it appears that lumping Athletics in here does not bode well.  Athletics is a lot of bucks and a lot of visibility.  It deserves to be reporting directly to the President.

This may work out just fine and d'Orio may be the perfect fit for this relationship.  On the surface, however...
cr

This thread cinches it.  Lafayette is more screwed up in its touchy feely administration than Colgate.  That is hard to do, but you have done it.
Lafalum

Given Holy Cross' new AD I now declare we lead the league in touchy feely, screwed up administrations. All with the complicity/instigation of the leadership of the Board of Trustees. Last in basketball scholarships, fought against football scholarships, frozen budgets, reduced equivalencies for football, studies ag Greeks that that tried to prove falsehoods, ….where will it end or go??
NewXbo

Do you think they realize that these "decisions" will have an impact on the capital campaign?
LC Fan

Come on guys. Our AD has reported to an ex-Pard athlete and you saw how that worked out! The issue isn't where athletics reports but how we become successful on the field. Like it or not, money is no longer the problem; we're close to competitive in money and schollies when you look at the major sports, and we have the best facilities. What has been missing is holding coaches responsible for failure and providing support to the winners. Before we criticize Ms. D'Orio, let's see how she manages this wasteland.
Lafalum

As far many alumni are concerned Diorio holds two portfolios of critical importance, the greek system and athletics. I don' think anyone is trashing Diorio, we all wish her success,  but there is a sincere belief that athletics, given its high profile and potential for positive branding, should report to the president. Diorio has a lot on her plate of a critical nature…. can she put in enough time and energy to be effective??  That is the management question. Will she be raising money?? Will she be involved in keeping our physical facilities up to par?? Does she have the ear of the powers that be to accomplish what needs to be done??? Does she know what is to be done or does she believe a participatory experience is enough. Jim Dicker was known to say he took the job to improve the winning. It didn't happen, so  does Diorio now know how to do it and does she care??

As far as I am concerned winning does matter. It shouldn't be done at the expense of core values but I believe sincerely it's possible to have winning by good students and good citizens.

As to facilities the field hockey field must be redone, Lacrosse needs their own field, there is a real need for a field house at Metzgar, many sports are not fully funded and our pay for the assistant coaches is abysmal. In many sports we do  not have a full coaching staff. Recruiting budgets are tight, and schedules have been reduced to save money. Finally, what is the metric for success??
Andy

Lafalum wrote:
. Recruiting budgets are tight, and schedule have been reduced to save money.


Four league baseball teams had early season trips to Florida, one went to Georgia, Mississippi and S. Carolina.  One team went to Virginia.

Good luck recruiting, Coach Kinney.
ed65

Alison confirmed to me in an email this morning that athletics will report to Diorio - citing that the Pres does not have the time required to devote to athletics.  She indicated that she is supportive of winning and will make herself available to Diorio.  That is fine as far as it goes.  I firmly believe that Alison should be concentrating on the future of the college in this challenging educational and economic enviroment, and she should avoid getting involved in the tedious mishmash of every day b.s. that goes in Easton.

But as for Diorio, she needs to maker herself known to alums who support athletics and start listening to us.  We need a plan to support WINNING TEAMS and we need it now.  Lafalum asked all the right questions about her so I think we are in agreement.  Personally, I wouldn't know Diorio if I fell over her (as I suspect is the case with many of you).  I think another priority of hers is to evaluate the AD and decide once and for all if he is the person to lead us to a winning culture.  If not, he should go to the house of former ADs somewhere in Cyber space.

So Ms Diorio, I hope you read this and will come out of your offfice and meet us "Jock Supporters!!"

WINNING MATTERS
ed65

cr wrote:
This thread cinches it.  Lafayette is more screwed up in its touchy feely administration than Colgate.  That is hard to do, but you have done it.


Great comment by CR.  I've heard that about Raider Land.  Political correctness is all over the landscape up there!
NewXbo

John Frank Stubits has left his position of Maroon Club fund raiser. A national search is underway. John Frank did a good job while there. I believe he was an assistant AD.
Pard Newbie

All these comments are very perceptive and also very telling as to the direction the school wishes to steer the athletic department.  I can tell you as a "Newbie" that if the school does not promote winning and a winning culture and does not hold coaches AND administrators accountable to the concept of winning then they can forget about recieving any form of donation from this particular household.  There are MANY high quality (read winning) Div. I programs out there that do not just pay lip service to winning and actively promote a culture of winning.

When the powers that be realize that the concept of everbody getting a medal for participation leads to institutional complacency the sooner they will understand that WINNING MATTERS.  Winning brings in donors which leads to better facilities (both academic and athletic), more money for their politicaly correct projects and brings in better athletes and scholars. It is a simplistic circle but it has also been proven throughout the country.  Until the experiment in political correctness is discarded, this funding source shall stay on the sidelines and I am sure others will do the same.
Lafalum

I have never understood the organizational structure around the athletic department. Plant OPs who is supervised by the CFO of the college manages and services the athletic physical plant as well as construction of new faciltities…that includes preparing the fields and courts for games and practices. Development raises the money for athletics.  The chief athletic fundraiser ( of late John Frank Stubits) reports to Major Gifts, he is NOT an employee reporting to the AD. In addition, athletic communication ( i.e. go leopards and all press releases) comes from the college communication office and is not supervised by the AD. All intramural sports that uses intercollegiate resources reports to Campus Life though.

When athletics reported to Development Head Dicker I thought it made some sense. Now reporting to Campus Life without having control of the physical plant, fund raising, or communication makes no sense to me. It's an organizational scheme that only reinforces inefficiency and failure.

Lafayette seems to be a world worthy of Jonathan Swift tale!! "There is nothing as constant in this world as inconsistency."

Please show me where I am wrong!!
ed65

I wish I could show you, Lafalum.  But you can be sure that Diorio is going to get an earful from me about developing a winning culture, holding coaches and admins accountable, and running a D-1 Athletic Program.

       Lafayette Sports Fan Forum Forum Index -> Whatever else
Page 1 of 1
Create your own free forum | Buy a domain to use with your forum