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Lafalum

Where are you loyalties..BOT??

I was talking to a BOT  member yesterday and the conversation got around to our athletic administration and the BOT role. He finally made a statement that stuck in my mind and sums up our problems. He sees his role as supporting the administration, whether it be Bruce in athletics, Alison or Dan Weiss.

I said what about the donors interest or our student athlete's interest and he looked at me dumbfounded. I have always seen a board of directors or trustees as representing the interests of the shareholder ( donor in our case). For the most part, our board is filled with high level to middle managers whose career is wound up in supporting the management and have very little contact with shareholders. There are exceptions but they are certainly not a majority.

Our problems have always occurred when those interests don't mesh ( donor/tuition payer and  administrator. We need a board to reflect those interests not those who are temporary sojourners  on the hill.

Maybe then we will stop 18 million dollar not paid for film and visual arts center for 10 majors, 1 million dollar separation bonus' (Weiss), while at the same time paying adjuncts and asst. coaches slave wages. Maybe we will concentrate on serving what our market place needs ( students) as opposed to what our infrastructure wants to do.
LC Fan

Among the numerous problems with our athletic program, the least seems to me to be the commitment of the BOT. Look at the Maroon Club, the FOF, and the athletic Capital Campaign and you'll see a large number of trustees who have made leadership contributions. The trustees have put their money in to support the areas they want to succeed. They, like the rest of us, expect results. I can't explain the ineptness of our coaches and administration to succeed but I can't find any evidence that the current BOT is culpable.
ed65

I totally disagree with you LC Fan (and with respect - not wanting to start a flame war here).  You are talking about a small number of trustees who support athletics and an even smaller number who realize how poor the overall performance of LC sports have been over the last few years.  We have quite a number of sports that simply are not competitive in the Patriot League.  Let's look at the number of teams other than basketball (all teams are in it) which have made the PL playoffs over the last three years.  The number is minuscule.  Many have never made the playoffs in that period.

Wake up man: Trustees whose philosophies are to support the Administration are living in the 19th century.  Today, the problem is that clearly many trustees do not get the concept of being independent. Trustees should be INDEPENDENT: critiquing the admin, questioning everything, asking WHY we have a losing culture in athletics and WHY nothing is being done about it. The trustee who Lafalum spoke to today should resign immediately since he/she is nothing but a stooge for the Admin.
Lafalum

My point precisely. I was waiting for someone to come forward.
BPard

Trustees' job is to support (or replace) the President and to provide direction.

If Trustees view the administration as representing the President, that is a fair view especially at the Cabinet level of the administration (not sure if our AD rises to this level). The question is, are Trustees providing the direction that is incumbent upon them to provide?

And I would not expect every single Trustee to hold strong views on every single issue facing the College. That's why you have committees and (in theory) why Trustees with specific backgrounds and expertise are selected.
flyfisher

There are many things I do not understand.

A small select group provides most of the athletic funding. Maroon Club now provides 30% of the football budget plus scholarship assistance plus funding to other sports. There has not been a budget increase since 2007/2008. Thank about that. We get what we pay for.

In addition a number I would find troubling if i were the school is last year only 37% of alumni and students made a contribution to the general fund. This is down form a 58% contribution the year before. That is a drop of more than a Third of potential donors. I would want to be finding out why donor participation is dropping so much and so fast. I worry what will happen when certain families age out or their children or children's children lose interest in LC.

On a small scale, the budget remains tight on campus. There are 68 kids in mechanical engineering for the class and of 2017. The controls class that is coming up does have the lab equipment to support half that many kids. To combat this they combined two of the hardest and most important classes, Thermo 1 and Thermo 2 into one class as a further weed out of the students in ME. So now the kids don't get the depth they need in a crucial class and we are trying to reduce class size instead of promoting engineering. But hey, we have that performing arts center. We even started a gender studies engineering program. What is that? Maybe we can have that prostitue and porn star come back and give another speech.  The previous event was a near sellout.
Lafalum

flyfisher wrote:
There are many things I do not understand.

A small select group provides most of the athletic funding. Maroon Club now provides 30% of the football budget plus scholarship assistance plus funding to other sports. There has not been a budget increase since 2007/2008. Thank about that. We get what we pay for.

In addition a number I would find troubling if o were the school is last year only 37% of alumni and students made a contribution to the general fund. This is down form a 58% contribution the year before. That is a drop of more than. Third of potential donors. I would want to be finding out what donor participation is dropping so much and so fast. I worry what will happen when certain families age out or their children or children's children lose interest in LC.

On a small scale, the budget remains tight on campus. There are 68 kids in mechanical engineering for the class and of 2017. The controls class that is coming up does have the lab equipment to support half that many kids. To combat this they combined two of the hardest and most important classes, Thermo 1 and Thermo 2 into one class as a further weed out of the students in ME. So now the kids don't get the depth they need in a crucial class and we are trying to reduce class size instead of promoting engineering. But hey, we have that performing arts center. We even started a gender studies engineering program. What is that? Maybe we can have that prostitue and porn star come back and give another speech.  The previous event was a near sellout.


Which is my point. The 18 million dollars for the film and media center is not endowed.In other words the money is coming from the endowment..NOT A DONOR. The nearly 1 million dollars for Dan Weiss' kiss off came from endowment or tuition.
The job of BOT or BOD is to oversee the management. In the case of a BOT of a non-profi it is to insure the endowment is invested and spent wisely. So are they doing their job effectively?? That's my question. By the way that is 800 plus in endowment but with 196 million in debt an increase in debt of about 20 million over the last report.
ed65

Funding for the film and media center coming from the endowment is a disaster.  The whole concept of starting a Film and Media Center was flawed from the beginning: why should any aspiring film/media student want to go to LC when so many prestigious schools operate in that space(NYU, Yale, UCLA, many others)? It should be a priority for Alison and Kim Spang to find some alums to endow the program because it most likely is not going away.
Lafalum

ed65 wrote:
Funding for the film and media center coming from the endowment is a disaster.  The whole concept of starting a Film and Media Center was flawed from the beginning: why should any aspiring film/media student want to go to LC when so many prestigious schools operate in that space(NYU, Yale, UCLA, many others)? It should be a priority for Alison and Kim Spang to find some alums to endow the program because it most likely is not going away.


The rumor around is that they are offering a naming opportunity for the whole thing for 2 million. No takers!
flyfisher

With all the popularity in MBA programs and other financial grad school options, I wonder if they have ever seriously considered a MBA type program? Or even a business degree for undergrad? Those degrees stay in demand and it fits one of our strengths. And a good MBA program in the Lehigh Valley might be a good opportunity.

Please understand with my comments that I care about LC. We love LC. I see a great school that can be even better.. If I didn't care I would not comment.
ed65

flyfisher wrote:
With all the popularity in MBA programs and other financial grad school options, I wonder if they have ever seriously considered a MBA type program? Or even a business degree for undergrad? Those degrees stay in demand and it fits one of our strengths. And a good MBA program in the Lehigh Valley might be a good opportunity.

Please understand with my comments that I care about LC. We love LC. I see a great school that can be even better.. If I didn't care I would not comment.


An MBA Program would be a great idea.  I've long thought LC should offer graduate programs a la Colgate and Bucknell (without becoming a research university where courses are taught by TAs.)
bison137

ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
With all the popularity in MBA programs and other financial grad school options, I wonder if they have ever seriously considered a MBA type program? Or even a business degree for undergrad? Those degrees stay in demand and it fits one of our strengths. And a good MBA program in the Lehigh Valley might be a good opportunity.

Please understand with my comments that I care about LC. We love LC. I see a great school that can be even better.. If I didn't care I would not comment.


An MBA Program would be a great idea.  I've long thought LC should offer graduate programs a la Colgate and Bucknell (without becoming a research university where courses are taught by TAs.)



Not sure if LC would get much bang for its buck from a program the size of Bucknell or Colgate.   Both are very small.   According to the common data set, Bucknell has 43 full-time graduate students and 16 part-timers.   Colgate has 5 full-time and 8 part-time.  Neither has any master's in business.
flyfisher

bison137 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
With all the popularity in MBA programs and other financial grad school options, I wonder if they have ever seriously considered a MBA type program? Or even a business degree for undergrad? Those degrees stay in demand and it fits one of our strengths. And a good MBA program in the Lehigh Valley might be a good opportunity.

Please understand with my comments that I care about LC. We love LC. I see a great school that can be even better.. If I didn't care I would not comment.


An MBA Program would be a great idea.  I've long thought LC should offer graduate programs a la Colgate and Bucknell (without becoming a research university where courses are taught by TAs.)



Not sure if LC would get much bang for its buck from a program the size of Bucknell or Colgate.   Both are very small.   According to the common data set, Bucknell has 43 full-time graduate students and 16 part-timers.   Colgate has 5 full-time and 8 part-time.  Neither has any master's in business.


Sounds like an opportunity.
ed65

flyfisher wrote:
bison137 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
With all the popularity in MBA programs and other financial grad school options, I wonder if they have ever seriously considered a MBA type program? Or even a business degree for undergrad? Those degrees stay in demand and it fits one of our strengths. And a good MBA program in the Lehigh Valley might be a good opportunity.

Please understand with my comments that I care about LC. We love LC. I see a great school that can be even better.. If I didn't care I would not comment.


An MBA Program would be a great idea.  I've long thought LC should offer graduate programs a la Colgate and Bucknell (without becoming a research university where courses are taught by TAs.)



Not sure if LC would get much bang for its buck from a program the size of Bucknell or Colgate.   Both are very small.   According to the common data set, Bucknell has 43 full-time graduate students and 16 part-timers.   Colgate has 5 full-time and 8 part-time.  Neither has any master's in business.


Sounds like an opportunity.


Agree with you Fly.  Bison is being his usual persnickety self.
Franks Tanks

ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
bison137 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
With all the popularity in MBA programs and other financial grad school options, I wonder if they have ever seriously considered a MBA type program? Or even a business degree for undergrad? Those degrees stay in demand and it fits one of our strengths. And a good MBA program in the Lehigh Valley might be a good opportunity.

Please understand with my comments that I care about LC. We love LC. I see a great school that can be even better.. If I didn't care I would not comment.


An MBA Program would be a great idea.  I've long thought LC should offer graduate programs a la Colgate and Bucknell (without becoming a research university where courses are taught by TAs.)



Not sure if LC would get much bang for its buck from a program the size of Bucknell or Colgate.   Both are very small.   According to the common data set, Bucknell has 43 full-time graduate students and 16 part-timers.   Colgate has 5 full-time and 8 part-time.  Neither has any master's in business.


Sounds like an opportunity.


Agree with you Fly.  Bison is being his usual persnickety self.


If we ever decide to expand offerings in business, I suppose an MBA program would make sense as those expensive business profs can teach undergrad and grad classes.

If we do it we should do it right.  The landscape is littered with sub-par MBA programs, and such a program would do nothing for the school. Lehigh does have a solid  and well established part time MBA program, so we would have a ton of catching up to do to compete with them in this area.
ed65

Franks Tanks wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
bison137 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
With all the popularity in MBA programs and other financial grad school options, I wonder if they have ever seriously considered a MBA type program? Or even a business degree for undergrad? Those degrees stay in demand and it fits one of our strengths. And a good MBA program in the Lehigh Valley might be a good opportunity.

Please understand with my comments that I care about LC. We love LC. I see a great school that can be even better.. If I didn't care I would not comment.


An MBA Program would be a great idea.  I've long thought LC should offer graduate programs a la Colgate and Bucknell (without becoming a research university where courses are taught by TAs.)



Not sure if LC would get much bang for its buck from a program the size of Bucknell or Colgate.   Both are very small.   According to the common data set, Bucknell has 43 full-time graduate students and 16 part-timers.   Colgate has 5 full-time and 8 part-time.  Neither has any master's in business.


Sounds like an opportunity.


Agree with you Fly.  Bison is being his usual persnickety self.


If we ever decide to expand offerings in business, I suppose an MBA program would make sense as those expensive business profs can teach undergrad and grad classes.

If we do it we should do it right.  The landscape is littered with sub-par MBA programs, and such a program would do nothing for the school. Lehigh does have a solid  and well established part time MBA program, so we would have a ton of catching up to do to compete with them in this area.


All we need to do is find someone who would fund an MBA Program!

How about the Carney School of Business at Lafayette College (oops Lafayette University)!

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