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Pard94

Wow...

Carney, tell me again about how our O-line is a major area of concern. It's not like they are playing against creampuffs in Penn.

How awesome is it to see Curley standing alone in the backfield when we spread the O out? How long have we been waiting for that??? Great first half. Don't look know but I think we might be watching the emergence of Air Lafayette. Curley to Layton...wow...what can you say about tandem. All the RB's are looking good. Rudy in particular looks impressive. The O-line is dominating. Great first half. Need to keep the pedal to the medal in the 2nd half and send a message! GO PARDS!
Franks Tanks

Re: Wow...

Pard94 wrote:
Carney, tell me again about how our O-line is a major area of concern. It's not like they are playing against creampuffs in Penn.

How awesome is it to see Curley standing alone in the backfield when we spread the O out? How long have we been waiting for that??? Great first half. Don't look know but I think we might be watching the emergence of Air Lafayette. Curley to Layton...wow...what can you say about tandem. All the RB's are looking good. Rudy in particular looks impressive. The O-line is dominating. Great first half. Need to keep the pedal to the medal in the 2nd half and send a message! GO PARDS!


Agree 100%.  I think Frank finally let Mickey Fein run wild and call what he wants and its showing.
seenalot

would seem we are going to crawl into our conservative asshole.......jezz grow a pair
seenalot

this is going to make me old(er) fast
Pard94

Man this is exactly what we didn't need. Take all of my first half comments and reverse them. Damn it!
seenalot

perfect ......all the good......UNFRICKIN done.....pretty sad - this is a gut check game like HC last year - do we have it or not......
seenalot

I give up.......we cant run...so thats what we do
seenalot

put a fork in it.......
Pard94

I don't even know what to say about this. How the hell does a team look so great in one half and so bad in the next. Frustrating doesn't begin to cover it.
seenalot

this is ridiculous.....at least give us Shoop and see what happens.......

Its as if we think its Columbia on a grass field with an OL that can dominate.......its none of those
seenalot

and please dont give me its raining......Penn is still throwing the ball effectively.....when it needs to - we might as well take our dolls and head home

.....ok so its on the 3 we have the ball......who wants to bet we go off tackle left, off tackle right and incomplete.....
Pard94

this is terrible. Curley out with yet another concussion. This kid looks like a third string QB and we can't even run anymore. I've never been more confident we were going to lose a game in my life. Ughhh.
seenalot

I was wrong - it was off tackle left twice
seenalot

so much for Coach Clayton getting the most out of folks.....
seenalot

anyone want to discuss the importance of Curley?
seenalot

or how Davis has lost it......
Pard94

good lord...i can't take many more games like that. Not pretty. Please, oh god, let Curly be alright becuase we're going no where without him. Take the ugly victory and get ready for Yale. Jeez!
seenalot

Amen and congrats to Davis R - I didnt think he could - happy to be wrong
TheRock90

You guys are worse fair weather fans than Carney.
The Maroon

I thought we played one of the best halves of football I've ever seen a Lafayette team play. I loved everything we did. Penn was one bad ass team...and from what I could tell through the tv...DIRTY...but they punched us in the gut in the second half--and we kept fighting.

I can't share your outlook. We're a lot better than I thought. I think Penn's gonna do some damage. I think that was one of the best Penn teams I've seen. Only time will tell.
notleo

[quote="Pard94"]this is terrible. Curley out with yet another concussion. This kid looks like a third string QB and we can't even run anymore. I've never been more confident we were going to lose a game in my life. Ughhh.[/quote]

Misssed the game, reading thru the thread, what happened to Curley and when did he leave the game?
carney2

Pard94 wrote:
Take all of my first half comments and reverse them. Damn it!


This, of course, includes the initial slur against the all-seeing, all-knowing carney.
carney2

notleo wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
this is terrible. Curley out with yet another concussion. This kid looks like a third string QB and we can't even run anymore. I've never been more confident we were going to lose a game in my life. Ughhh.


Misssed the game, reading thru the thread, what happened to Curley and when did he leave the game?


I haven't seen the stats, but I believe it was somewhere around the 10-12 minute mark of the 3rd qtr.
The Maroon

He got decked by two huge linebackers scrambling in the third quarter. he took a lot of cheap shots in my humble opinion...at least one blow to the head and a lot of hits I thought were borderline late...Penn tried to get in his head. LIke I said I didn't like how they played. It's nice to beat them regularly
carney2

It may not have been pretty, but it was a quality win against a quality team.  I'll take it.  I can't say that I honestly had much beyond vague hopes that we'd be 2-1 at this point.

The big concern now is Curley.  You could see the offensive brain trust go into its shell when O'Neil came in.  It was run and short, safe passes.  To the kid's everlasting credit, he did not lose the game for us.  You can bet your dog-eared copy of your final year Melange however, that Yale isn't gong to let Tavani, Fein and company get away with that crap.  And, you can bet your collection of old Playboys that Frank won't be trotting Andrew Shoop out there anytime soon.  Quilling again?  Please, say it ain't so.
Lafalum

I really believe Penn did take a couple of cheap shots at Curley. One in particular comes to mind when Curley's pass gets batted in the air and he bats his own pass to the ground, After he hits the ball to the ground nbr 74 puts his helmet to the back of Curley going full bore from Curley;s blind side. Totally unnecessary!!!!
Andy

Lafalum wrote:
I really believe Penn did take a couple of cheap shots at Curley. One in particular comes to mind when Curley's pass gets batted in the air and he bats his own base to the ground, After he hits the ball to the ground nbr 74 puts his helmet to the back of Curley going full bore from Curley;s blind side. Totally unnecessary!!!!


The word after the game was that was the play where he got the concussion, not the last scramble for a first. Rob was awesome accurate in the first half. Wonderful play calling by coach Fein.

Thought settling for three instead of using two downs to get a foot near end of first half may have come back to bite us, though. Like the conservative approach better there.

Great defensive effort!
Pard94

carney2 wrote:
It may not have been pretty, but it was a quality win against a quality team.  I'll take it.  I can't say that I honestly had much beyond vague hopes that we'd be 2-1 at this point.

The big concern now is Curley.  You could see the offensive brain trust go into its shell when O'Neil came in.  It was run and short, safe passes.  To the kid's everlasting credit, he did not lose the game for us.  You can bet your dog-eared copy of your final year Melange however, that Yale isn't gong to let Tavani, Fein and company get away with that crap.  And, you can bet your collection of old Playboys that Frank won't be trotting Andrew Shoop out there anytime soon.  Quilling again?  Please, say it ain't so.


In all honesty (I swear it's true) I came out with my negative comments in the 2nd half because I became Carney-esque and thought for a second perhaps I jinxed the team with my glowing review in the first half. I needed to undo the negative mojo I created and blast the team a little. Hence the bit about being sure we were going to lose. In a way, I am really responsible for the win Wink .

Seriously, that was a hard fought game against a tough team. They're not all going to be pretty.I'll take 8 more just like that one though. I do still stand by my prayer that Curely is OK. He's become a very serviceable QB and more importantly he has the timing and chemistry down with our recievers. O'Neil is young and he played like it. On to Yale! GO PARDS!
seenalot

Toooo many pops and the inability to hit anything besides my computer screen impacted my posts - apologies to all (except the dog....)

Happy to have an Ivy win - thrilled with the first half - good to see Davis make two.  Not happy with thoughts moving ahead without Curley.

Dont see difference between going with O'Neil or Shoop - neither has seen game time.....Quilling sounds like he is lost for a year.
carney2

Curley was not the only one taking cheap shots in this game.  I have taken 3 hard shots in this one thread.  You will now have to excuse me while I retire to a corner and ponder my fate and have a good cry.
Newleopardfan

my take

Well, here's my take: a tale of 2 games. First half, until about 2 minutes left in the 2nd quarter, WOW. We looked as good as any football team you'll see. We gave away 3 easy points at the end of the half, and the "mo" carried right through the wet halftime entertainment (how many times can you hear "25 or 6-to-4" from a wet marching band?) into the 3rd and even 4th Q. We looked totally flat in the 2nd half, and when Curley got hit, I thought we were sunk. But the D held fast, and the OT D-series was True Grit. We got a real present when their PKer missed, and a huge celebration when ours didn't (though lest we forget, the only reason we were in OT was that we had missed a 35 yarder with 2 minutes left in the game). The big headline from this game is "What to do about a QB?" Rob looked masterful in the 1st half, though there were a few chances blown there as well (and a wide-open drop by #84). But I can't see them playing him before league play resumes, if at all this season, and people on this board have already voiced the concerns about the 2 available options. So, beating PENN "tasted good", but the cost could be more than we bargained for.
carney2

Re: my take

Newleopardfan wrote:
Well, here's my take: a tale of 2 games. First half, until about 2 minutes left in the 2nd quarter, WOW. We looked as good as any football team you'll see. We gave away 3 easy points at the end of the half, and the "mo" carried right through the wet halftime entertainment (how many times can you hear "25 or 6-to-4" from a wet marching band?) into the 3rd and even 4th Q. We looked totally flat in the 2nd half, and when Curley got hit, I thought we were sunk. But the D held fast, and the OT D-series was True Grit. We got a real present when their PKer missed, and a huge celebration when ours didn't (though lest we forget, the only reason we were in OT was that we had missed a 35 yarder with 2 minutes left in the game). The big headline from this game is "What to do about a QB?" Rob looked masterful in the 1st half, though there were a few chances blown there as well (and a wide-open drop by #84). But I can't see them playing him before league play resumes, if at all this season, and people on this board have already voiced the concerns about the 2 available options. So, beating PENN "tasted good", but the cost could be more than we bargained for.


Not so.  That was the tale of last year's game.  This year I got no sense that the Lafayette kids let down or went "flat."  Penn came out ready to play after halftime, and I thought it was a masterful piece of coaching by John Loose and company to settle things down into a defensive standoff after those two Penn TDs.

Lots of kudos last night.  For instance:

As I said before, Ryan O'Neil did nothing to lose the game.  That is praise indeed for a guy entering a big game for the first time in his college career.

Nathan Padia did not have any great punt runbacks, but he did nothing to embarrass himself or give up field position either.

The O-line and RBs came to life late with O'Neil in there and few other options remaining.

Fein and Tavani came out throwing against a Penn run defense that is about as good as we will see this year.

Except for those two 2nd half drives, the defense was great.

A good win against a good team.

Oh yeah, given Frank's past decisions about players with concussions, it is very unlikely, IMO, that Curley will even dress against Yale.  As for holding him out for a month or all season as a previous poster suggested, let's hope not.  The problem is that he's had two within a year.  That can't be good.  This from an online medical site:

   *  Concussions are known to be cumulative. That is, each time you have a concussion it is easier to get another concussion in the future.

   * Repeated concussions can lead to long-term memory loss, psychiatric disorders, and other neurologic problems.

   * If you have had a number of concussions, your physician likely will advise you to avoid the activities that may put you at risk for future head injuries and to discontinue contact sports. Professional athletes are particularly prone to the effects of cumulative concussions.
Pard94

Curley is playing against Yale. You heard it hear first. The difference between this year and last was Tavani had a viable and comparable option in a number two guy who, for whatever reason, one could argue Frank actually favored. No such luck this year. O'Neil is just not ready for prime time. And Frank's not satisifed this year with a strong PL showing. He wants to make the playoffs as a legtimate, ranked contender. Hell he wants to host a playoff game. Not happening with Curley. Curely didn't come out for a while after he got smacked. Despite Carney being correct about the cumulative effect of concussions, I get the sense this one wasn't as bad as last year. I would be very surprised if Curley doesn't play next week.

And guess what Carney, I think I agree with you yet again. I don't think we let down in the second half as much as a good Yale team, who was probably looking past us due to their performance against Nova, woke up in the 2nd half. If Curely's back I like our chances from here on out. If he's not we will limp into the PL schedule licking some serious wounds.
carney2

Pard94 wrote:
And guess what Carney, I think I agree with you yet again.


You just ruined another day for me.
notleo

I would hope since Curley has suffered 2 concusions in a yr and we dont play a PL game until 10/24, Frank and the training staff error on the side of caution.  What good would it do to have him come back for a non-league game?  I'd rather have him 100% in 1-2 wks and ready to play in PL games enroute to a PL title.  Brningin him back to early does no any good, this would be a great test for O'Neill.  What's the deal with Quilling?
The Maroon

I think we can all agree: Rob Curley's health trumps everything else. We don't want to see anybody sustain a life-altering injury in the name of getting a few more wins for the 'Pards. He took some ridiculous shots yesterday...I'm still irked at Penn...The little game where they would continue to drive their helmets into the player after the tackle was made was garbage. I think the player who speared Curley on the knock-down should be suspended.  I know football is a tough sport---but plenty of teams can make hard, clean tackles and quickly get up.  His play is evaluated and sometimes chided by us but we tend to forget he's a 21 year old kid who works his ass off and has won a lot more than he's lost. But most importantly, he'll be something else LONG after he's the QB of the 'Pards.

I really don't want to see him next week unless he's 1000% ready. There's always whining on this board that we went into the 2007 season with nobody having experience, well let's get some snaps in this weekend in what is essentially a meaningless game as far as our season goals go. Of course if he's ready--you have to play him. But if he's out...whenever he's cleared to come back...unless we have found the next Peyton Manning in the weeks he was off---he GETS HIS SPOT BACK! I found Quilling to be capable last season, but he did nothing to earn the job over Curley.

I dont' know if you can give up on O'Neil based on last nights anemic numbers. He was thrown up against some MONSTERS in a monsoon and I doubt he had many reps doing the spread that Curley was running to perfection.  We had to go back to our...conservative...way of doing things.

We gotta start being more postive fellas! We've played three nice games....This could be one of those years where we exceed expectations...Obviously our PL foes have plenty to say about that--but there's a LOT to like about this team and we're acting like Lehigh/Penn State fans! (Sorry to the PSU fans...but my happiest day in the fall is when PSU loses their first game and their fans can SHUT THE HELL UP about a national title and not getting the respect they deserve...)

Just a little peeve of mine.

To Carney who bombastically lambasted the class of 2012: we start 6 sophomores and have 11 more on the second team--many of who have already shown a lot of potential.
Lafalum

The Maroon wrote:
I think we can all agree: Rob Curley's health trumps everything else. We don't want to see anybody sustain a life-altering injury in the name of getting a few more wins for the 'Pards. He took some ridiculous shots yesterday...I'm still irked at Penn...The little game where they would continue to drive their helmets into the player after the tackle was made was garbage. I think the player who speared Curley on the knock-down should be suspended.  I know football is a tough sport---but plenty of teams can make hard, clean tackles and quickly get up.  His play is evaluated and sometimes chided by us but we tend to forget he's a 21 year old kid who works his ass off and has won a lot more than he's lost. But most importantly, he'll be something else LONG after he's the QB of the 'Pards"

Right on point!! Let's put it all in perspective. I have never liked Penn with their classless band, and now their classless play. On the way home on saturday I was able to pick up the Penn broadcast and they were trashing our school and team. " I can't believe we lost to this little school" "Lafayette is just not that good" blah blah blah.. Well, we've beaten them three years in row and I hope it'll be twenty years before they see a win!! My guess is if our winning goes on they will probably drop us first. By the way we beat them in basketball and probably will beat them in Field Hockey this Wed. They are a classless, clueless bunch of spoiled and rude jerks.
Franks Tanks

notleo wrote:
I would hope since Curley has suffered 2 concusions in a yr and we dont play a PL game until 10/24, Frank and the training staff error on the side of caution.  What good would it do to have him come back for a non-league game?  I'd rather have him 100% in 1-2 wks and ready to play in PL games enroute to a PL title.  Brningin him back to early does no any good, this would be a great test for O'Neill.  What's the deal with Quilling?


I believe Quilling has a broken hand or wrist.  Either way I dont think he will be available this season.
notleo

Just read in an acticle Quiling was recently cleared to play.  Stated he suffered a injury (back I beleive) working a summer job.

Sounds like Frank and med staff will monitor Curly all week, but preparing Oneill and Quilling in case he can't go.   smart move, we need him 100% the last 5 games.
Franks Tanks

notleo wrote:
Just read in an acticle Quiling was recently cleared to play.  Stated he suffered a injury (back I beleive) working a summer job.

Sounds like Frank and med staff will monitor Curly all week, but preparing Oneill and Quilling in case he can't go.   smart move, we need him 100% the last 5 games.


Sounds like my memory was incorrect-- thanks for an accurate update notleo.

It would be nice if Rob can play but as others noted if it will jeopardize his long term well being it most certainly is not worth it by any measure. The training staff and doctors take concussions very seriously and Rob wont play if there is any chance for further damage.
carney2

The Maroon wrote:
To Carney who bombastically lambasted the class of 2012: we start 6 sophomores and have 11 more on the second team--many of who have already shown a lot of potential.


Lambasted, yes.  Bombastically, never.
Pard94

Let me clarify my position on this. I don't believe Tavani will start Curely if his life or even his general health is in serious danger. I just don't believe this concussion is as bad as everyone thinks. In fact, I don't believe his concussion last year was as bad as we were led to believe. I think Frank used the concussion last year to get a QB in the game who he believed might have star potential and might be his guy for the next three years. I think he probably viewed Curley as good but not a star. I think he learned a lesson and he's behind Curly now.

I know they have come a long way in identifying and treating concussions in the last 10 years. That's a very good thing. That being said, Curley has had 2 in the last year. Not great but, I would would wager, hardly uncommon. It's a viloent sport. I remember Trey Flood, our FB, probably had 4-5 serious concussions in the span of his career. They went so far as to put additional protection on his practice helmet. His helmet looked like a mushroom. I don't recall Trey missing any substantial time. I had two concussions in the same season. No fun but I never dreamed of missing any time other than perhaps the day after the injury.

I'm not suggesting that this course of action was correct. The kind of treatment Curley received last year might be the very medical advancement that has been made in recent years. That being said, I feel comfortable saying someone on Lafayette's team probably walks off of the practice field or game field with some level of concussion every week...and they're probably not even treated. Ultimately it's up to the doctors as it should be. I just think we're seeing Curely start on Saturday.

I saw the hit in question replayed numerous times in the broadcast...it was a tough shot from a tough kid. I didn't think it was dirty. It wasn't even the hit as much as the fact that Jeff's head bounced off the turf when he hit the ground. As for Penn mouthing off and generally dissing us? Fine...have at it. Nothing sounds more stupid than a losing team proclaiming their superiority. That's why I like Liberty and their fans. We beat a superior Flames team last year. For the most part everyone associated with their organization said Lafayette was a well coached, well prepared team that played better than us and beat us fair and square. Same with Appalachian State a few years ago. Very classy. Problem Penn has is they no longer have any claim at superiority and it gauls them. Three years in a row is more than a hiccup for a program.
carney2

Pard94 wrote:
I remember Trey Flood, our FB, probably had 4-5 serious concussions in the span of his career. They went so far as to put additional protection on his practice helmet. His helmet looked like a mushroom. I don't recall Trey missing any substantial time. I had two concussions in the same season. No fun but I never dreamed of missing any time other than perhaps the day after the injury.


We used to call Flood "two hats" up in row 47 because he appeared to be playing with 2 helmets on.  We conjectured that it was due to head injuries, but never had any information.  Have you had any contact with him over the years?  Has he had any problems that can be attributed to the concussions?
Pard94

carney2 wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
I remember Trey Flood, our FB, probably had 4-5 serious concussions in the span of his career. They went so far as to put additional protection on his practice helmet. His helmet looked like a mushroom. I don't recall Trey missing any substantial time. I had two concussions in the same season. No fun but I never dreamed of missing any time other than perhaps the day after the injury.


We used to call Flood "two hats" up in row 47 because he appeared to be playing with 2 helmets on.  We conjectured that it was due to head injuries, but never had any information.  Have you had any contact with him over the years?  Has he had any problems that can be attributed to the concussions?


I saw Trey a couple of years back at the Lehigh game. Let's just say Trey has the same personality and mental acuity he had the day he walked into Freshman orientation back in 1990. He is married with kids and quite successful as I understand it.
Pards Rule

Pard94 wrote:
Let me clarify my position on this. I don't believe Tavani will start Curely if his life or even his general health is in serious danger. I just don't believe this concussion is as bad as everyone thinks. In fact, I don't believe his concussion last year was as bad as we were led to believe. I think Frank used the concussion last year to get a QB in the game who he believed might have star potential and might be his guy for the next three years. I think he probably viewed Curley as good but not a star. I think he learned a lesson and he's behind Curly now.

I know they have come a long way in identifying and treating concussions in the last 10 years. That's a very good thing. That being said, Curley has had 2 in the last year. Not great but, I would would wager, hardly uncommon. It's a viloent sport. I remember Trey Flood, our FB, probably had 4-5 serious concussions in the span of his career. They went so far as to put additional protection on his practice helmet. His helmet looked like a mushroom. I don't recall Trey missing any substantial time. I had two concussions in the same season. No fun but I never dreamed of missing any time other than perhaps the day after the injury.

I'm not suggesting that this course of action was correct. The kind of treatment Curley received last year might be the very medical advancement that has been made in recent years. That being said, I feel comfortable saying someone on Lafayette's team probably walks off of the practice field or game field with some level of concussion every week...and they're probably not even treated. Ultimately it's up to the doctors as it should be. I just think we're seeing Curely start on Saturday.

I saw the hit in question replayed numerous times in the broadcast...it was a tough shot from a tough kid. I didn't think it was dirty. It wasn't even the hit as much as the fact that Jeff's head bounced off the turf when he hit the ground. As for Penn mouthing off and generally dissing us? Fine...have at it. Nothing sounds more stupid than a losing team proclaiming their superiority. That's why I like Liberty and their fans. We beat a superior Flames team last year. For the most part everyone associated with their organization said Lafayette was a well coached, well prepared team that played better than us and beat us fair and square. Same with Appalachian State a few years ago. Very classy. Problem Penn has is they no longer have any claim at superiority and it gauls them. Three years in a row is more than a hiccup for a program.


Agreed on the Penn observation pard94! And love it. I so detest Penn so when we beat them back in 07 on the Davis Rodriguez FG with 8 seconds left for a 8-7 win, I went out to the local LBI bar and got trashed!! I was barely listening to the Penn campus station on my car radio and was so excited. And last year at the game was excellent. I didnt come this year as I went to liberty game and am going to New Haven this weekend for Yale. But I think they are really pissed over losing the superiority status. When did the Penn players diss off? After the game? I mean WTF!?!
Pard94

Pards Rule wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
Let me clarify my position on this. I don't believe Tavani will start Curely if his life or even his general health is in serious danger. I just don't believe this concussion is as bad as everyone thinks. In fact, I don't believe his concussion last year was as bad as we were led to believe. I think Frank used the concussion last year to get a QB in the game who he believed might have star potential and might be his guy for the next three years. I think he probably viewed Curley as good but not a star. I think he learned a lesson and he's behind Curly now.

I know they have come a long way in identifying and treating concussions in the last 10 years. That's a very good thing. That being said, Curley has had 2 in the last year. Not great but, I would would wager, hardly uncommon. It's a viloent sport. I remember Trey Flood, our FB, probably had 4-5 serious concussions in the span of his career. They went so far as to put additional protection on his practice helmet. His helmet looked like a mushroom. I don't recall Trey missing any substantial time. I had two concussions in the same season. No fun but I never dreamed of missing any time other than perhaps the day after the injury.

I'm not suggesting that this course of action was correct. The kind of treatment Curley received last year might be the very medical advancement that has been made in recent years. That being said, I feel comfortable saying someone on Lafayette's team probably walks off of the practice field or game field with some level of concussion every week...and they're probably not even treated. Ultimately it's up to the doctors as it should be. I just think we're seeing Curely start on Saturday.

I saw the hit in question replayed numerous times in the broadcast...it was a tough shot from a tough kid. I didn't think it was dirty. It wasn't even the hit as much as the fact that Jeff's head bounced off the turf when he hit the ground. As for Penn mouthing off and generally dissing us? Fine...have at it. Nothing sounds more stupid than a losing team proclaiming their superiority. That's why I like Liberty and their fans. We beat a superior Flames team last year. For the most part everyone associated with their organization said Lafayette was a well coached, well prepared team that played better than us and beat us fair and square. Same with Appalachian State a few years ago. Very classy. Problem Penn has is they no longer have any claim at superiority and it gauls them. Three years in a row is more than a hiccup for a program.


Agreed on the Penn observation pard94! And love it. I so detest Penn so when we beat them back in 07 on the Davis Rodriguez FG with 8 seconds left for a 8-7 win, I went out to the local LBI bar and got trashed!! I was barely listening to the Penn campus station on my car radio and was so excited. And last year at the game was excellent. I didnt come this year as I went to liberty game and am going to New Haven this weekend for Yale. But I think they are really pissed over losing the superiority status. When did the Penn players diss off? After the game? I mean WTF!?!


I ddidn't mean to suggest their players were dissing us (though that may be the case as well). I was just commenting on the fact that their post game radio show apparently made disparraging comments. I love these know-nothings that belittle a team after three years of losing to that team. If we are "not that good" and "insignificant"...what does that make you losers?
Franks Tanks

Pard94 wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
Let me clarify my position on this. I don't believe Tavani will start Curely if his life or even his general health is in serious danger. I just don't believe this concussion is as bad as everyone thinks. In fact, I don't believe his concussion last year was as bad as we were led to believe. I think Frank used the concussion last year to get a QB in the game who he believed might have star potential and might be his guy for the next three years. I think he probably viewed Curley as good but not a star. I think he learned a lesson and he's behind Curly now.

I know they have come a long way in identifying and treating concussions in the last 10 years. That's a very good thing. That being said, Curley has had 2 in the last year. Not great but, I would would wager, hardly uncommon. It's a viloent sport. I remember Trey Flood, our FB, probably had 4-5 serious concussions in the span of his career. They went so far as to put additional protection on his practice helmet. His helmet looked like a mushroom. I don't recall Trey missing any substantial time. I had two concussions in the same season. No fun but I never dreamed of missing any time other than perhaps the day after the injury.

I'm not suggesting that this course of action was correct. The kind of treatment Curley received last year might be the very medical advancement that has been made in recent years. That being said, I feel comfortable saying someone on Lafayette's team probably walks off of the practice field or game field with some level of concussion every week...and they're probably not even treated. Ultimately it's up to the doctors as it should be. I just think we're seeing Curely start on Saturday.

I saw the hit in question replayed numerous times in the broadcast...it was a tough shot from a tough kid. I didn't think it was dirty. It wasn't even the hit as much as the fact that Jeff's head bounced off the turf when he hit the ground. As for Penn mouthing off and generally dissing us? Fine...have at it. Nothing sounds more stupid than a losing team proclaiming their superiority. That's why I like Liberty and their fans. We beat a superior Flames team last year. For the most part everyone associated with their organization said Lafayette was a well coached, well prepared team that played better than us and beat us fair and square. Same with Appalachian State a few years ago. Very classy. Problem Penn has is they no longer have any claim at superiority and it gauls them. Three years in a row is more than a hiccup for a program.


Agreed on the Penn observation pard94! And love it. I so detest Penn so when we beat them back in 07 on the Davis Rodriguez FG with 8 seconds left for a 8-7 win, I went out to the local LBI bar and got trashed!! I was barely listening to the Penn campus station on my car radio and was so excited. And last year at the game was excellent. I didnt come this year as I went to liberty game and am going to New Haven this weekend for Yale. But I think they are really pissed over losing the superiority status. When did the Penn players diss off? After the game? I mean WTF!?!


I ddidn't mean to suggest their players were dissing us (though that may be the case as well). I was just commenting on the fact that their post game radio show apparently made disparraging comments. I love these know-nothings that belittle a team after three years of losing to that team. If we are "not that good" and "insignificant"...what does that make you losers?


Ya I think its more the Penn fans and broadcasters who think they are superior.  I have met and hung out with a few former Penn FB players and they were good guys.  They had a mutual respect for the Leopards as most players and former players do.  I always though Bags was a bit of a blowhard however, but I could be wrong.
carney2

Franks Tanks wrote:
Ya I think its more the Penn fans and broadcasters who think they are superior.


21-61-4 all time vs. Penn.  Ya think maybe they have cause for an attitude of superiority?  Not sayin', just conjecturin'.
Pards Rule

Franks Tanks wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
Let me clarify my position on this. I don't believe Tavani will start Curely if his life or even his general health is in serious danger. I just don't believe this concussion is as bad as everyone thinks. In fact, I don't believe his concussion last year was as bad as we were led to believe. I think Frank used the concussion last year to get a QB in the game who he believed might have star potential and might be his guy for the next three years. I think he probably viewed Curley as good but not a star. I think he learned a lesson and he's behind Curly now.

I know they have come a long way in identifying and treating concussions in the last 10 years. That's a very good thing. That being said, Curley has had 2 in the last year. Not great but, I would would wager, hardly uncommon. It's a viloent sport. I remember Trey Flood, our FB, probably had 4-5 serious concussions in the span of his career. They went so far as to put additional protection on his practice helmet. His helmet looked like a mushroom. I don't recall Trey missing any substantial time. I had two concussions in the same season. No fun but I never dreamed of missing any time other than perhaps the day after the injury.

I'm not suggesting that this course of action was correct. The kind of treatment Curley received last year might be the very medical advancement that has been made in recent years. That being said, I feel comfortable saying someone on Lafayette's team probably walks off of the practice field or game field with some level of concussion every week...and they're probably not even treated. Ultimately it's up to the doctors as it should be. I just think we're seeing Curely start on Saturday.

I saw the hit in question replayed numerous times in the broadcast...it was a tough shot from a tough kid. I didn't think it was dirty. It wasn't even the hit as much as the fact that Jeff's head bounced off the turf when he hit the ground. As for Penn mouthing off and generally dissing us? Fine...have at it. Nothing sounds more stupid than a losing team proclaiming their superiority. That's why I like Liberty and their fans. We beat a superior Flames team last year. For the most part everyone associated with their organization said Lafayette was a well coached, well prepared team that played better than us and beat us fair and square. Same with Appalachian State a few years ago. Very classy. Problem Penn has is they no longer have any claim at superiority and it gauls them. Three years in a row is more than a hiccup for a program.


Agreed on the Penn observation pard94! And love it. I so detest Penn so when we beat them back in 07 on the Davis Rodriguez FG with 8 seconds left for a 8-7 win, I went out to the local LBI bar and got trashed!! I was barely listening to the Penn campus station on my car radio and was so excited. And last year at the game was excellent. I didnt come this year as I went to liberty game and am going to New Haven this weekend for Yale. But I think they are really pissed over losing the superiority status. When did the Penn players diss off? After the game? I mean WTF!?!


I ddidn't mean to suggest their players were dissing us (though that may be the case as well). I was just commenting on the fact that their post game radio show apparently made disparraging comments. I love these know-nothings that belittle a team after three years of losing to that team. If we are "not that good" and "insignificant"...what does that make you losers?


Ya I think its more the Penn fans and broadcasters who think they are superior.  I have met and hung out with a few former Penn FB players and they were good guys.  They had a mutual respect for the Leopards as most players and former players do.  I always though Bags was a bit of a blowhard however, but I could be wrong.


Yeah, couple of years ago I was stopped for the visiting team to re-enter the field at halftime near the Kirby Center. I guess the refs got some bad info on the timing and Bags was like berating them - "I'm not f'ing coming out before I have to" and sh*t like that. I just thought it was totally uncalled for. He reminded me of a dwarf in a helium hat.
Pard94

carney2 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Ya I think its more the Penn fans and broadcasters who think they are superior.


21-61-4 all time vs. Penn.  Ya think maybe they have cause for an attitude of superiority?  Not sayin', just conjecturin'.


I have to tell you Carney...no player I ever knew takes into account games played in 1936 when they measure themselves against another team. I suppose their press and fans might...but then again their press and fans don't actually play the game.
Pard94

Just read the Philly Inquirer article on the game. This quote by Al Bagnoli is what I'm talking about...

"I give our kids and Lafayette a lot of credit," Penn coach Al Bagnoli said. "We came out of the Villanova game (last week) banged up and we had to play today with several backups. They all did a pretty nice job."

In other words...if we didn't have kids hurt from Nova we would have won. Yeah and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon. Injuries are part of the sport Al. You lost...your starters lost, your back ups lost, Penn lost...again.
Lafalum

I also like playing these games after we have a chance to scout them. More often than not because of the late Ivy start they get a chance to see us and we don't see them.
carney2

Lafalum wrote:
I also like playing these games after we have a chance to scout them. More often than not because of the late Ivy start they get a chance to see us and we don't see them.


Yes, but we get a chance to play and work out 1st game jitters and problems.  They don't.  Also, the legend is that a team's greatest improvement during the year is between games 1 and 2.

No worse than a breakeven call, IMO.
DaveR

Pard94 wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Ya I think its more the Penn fans and broadcasters who think they are superior.


21-61-4 all time vs. Penn.  Ya think maybe they have cause for an attitude of superiority?  Not sayin', just conjecturin'.


I have to tell you Carney...no player I ever knew takes into account games played in 1936 when they measure themselves against another team. I suppose their press and fans might...but then again their press and fans don't actually play the game.


LC was actually 3-0 against Penn in my four years on the hill ('78-'81 football seasons) and 4-0 from '78-'82.  Back then I was not aware of any 'curse'.
carney2

Pard94 wrote:
Just read the Philly Inquirer article on the game. This quote by Al Bagnoli is what I'm talking about...

"I give our kids and Lafayette a lot of credit," Penn coach Al Bagnoli said. "We came out of the Villanova game (last week) banged up and we had to play today with several backups. They all did a pretty nice job."

In other words...if we didn't have kids hurt from Nova we would have won. Yeah and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon. Injuries are part of the sport Al. You lost...your starters lost, your back ups lost, Penn lost...again.


Sorry, I don't get that at all.  Sounds like Bagnoli giving credit to some kids who stepped in and did a good job.  Also, "a lot of credit" to Lafayette.  But then I don't seem to have quite the levels of vitriol toward our ancient rival as do many posters on this board.  All of my liver bile is focused in one direction - toward Bethlehem, PA.  And, may it ever be so.
Pards Rule

DaveR wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Ya I think its more the Penn fans and broadcasters who think they are superior.


21-61-4 all time vs. Penn.  Ya think maybe they have cause for an attitude of superiority?  Not sayin', just conjecturin'.


I have to tell you Carney...no player I ever knew takes into account games played in 1936 when they measure themselves against another team. I suppose their press and fans might...but then again their press and fans don't actually play the game.


LC was actually 3-0 against Penn in my four years on the hill ('78-'81 football seasons) and 4-0 from '78-'82.  Back then I was not aware of any 'curse'.


Yeah, I believe LC won a spellbinder 3-0 my freshman year. Didnt play them my sophomore year (1981) and I was at American Univ. for the Washington Semester and they beat Penn that year in Easton.
Pard94

carney2 wrote:
Pard94 wrote:
Just read the Philly Inquirer article on the game. This quote by Al Bagnoli is what I'm talking about...

"I give our kids and Lafayette a lot of credit," Penn coach Al Bagnoli said. "We came out of the Villanova game (last week) banged up and we had to play today with several backups. They all did a pretty nice job."

In other words...if we didn't have kids hurt from Nova we would have won. Yeah and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon. Injuries are part of the sport Al. You lost...your starters lost, your back ups lost, Penn lost...again.


Sorry, I don't get that at all.  Sounds like Bagnoli giving credit to some kids who stepped in and did a good job.  Also, "a lot of credit" to Lafayette.  But then I don't seem to have quite the levels of vitriol toward our ancient rival as do many posters on this board.  All of my liver bile is focused in one direction - toward Bethlehem, PA.  And, may it ever be so.


Oh good...then we're back to disagreeing. Everything is right in the world. Very Happy
carney2

DaveR wrote:
LC was actually 3-0 against Penn in my four years on the hill ('78-'81 football seasons) and 4-0 from '78-'82.  Back then I was not aware of any 'curse'.


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