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The Maroon

Wow

These boards get lame in a hurry if you come in after the fact and say "I knew it all along..Diane's a great coach!" The truth is I've started to doubt if she's got things going in the right direction.  

I'm not entirely sold (we have to win some league games) but for now - score one for those who think I'm an idiot. (Although I have yet to hear any acknowledgement that I called the football teams destruction when we were 0-3..."wow Aaron, you are a prognasitcating genius...HOW HARD IS THAT?"

OK.. Since all I can do is analyze the stats - would love to hear from someone who was there.
edmc2416

Wow is right.  A real good win for the girls.  Looks like Diane played Macklin a lot more and she responded.  Loughney (sp), the kid from NYU, apparently can shoot, and had a real good game.  She still must be a bit rusty from the year off.  I didn't realize she was from Clinton NJ; practically next door.
Xboreturns

Re: Wow

The Maroon wrote:
These boards get lame in a hurry if you come in after the fact and say "I knew it all along..Diane's a great coach!" The truth is I've started to doubt if she's got things going in the right direction.  

I'm not entirely sold (we have to win some league games) but for now - score one for those who think I'm an idiot. (Although I have yet to hear any acknowledgement that I called the football teams destruction when we were 0-3..."wow Aaron, you are a prognasitcating genius...HOW HARD IS THAT?"

OK.. Since all I can do is analyze the stats - would love to hear from someone who was there.


Well Pitt, who came in 5-1, played a very rugged game with an aggresive man to man defense and tried to double down when we got the ball into the post. We got off to a good start with Macklin and Freeland hitting a couple of early 3s. I believe we had 6 3s in the first half. With Fahan out with an injury, we were short a player and used Loughney at the 3. She responded with a 6 for 7 night including a 4 point play when she was fouled making  a 3 as the shot clock expired. Fiacco's first half minutes were limited when she picked up 2 quick fouls. Coach put her back in late in the first half and she picked up number 3. Homan also had 2 fouls in the first half and was put back in with 27 seconds left but she made it through without a foul. In spite of Pitts very aggressive and physical play we held a 38-26 lead at the half on 12 of 22 shooting, including 6 of 11 from beyond the arc.  We led 38-26 as the half ended.

Pitt picked up its aggresiveness even more in the second half and the play was very physical and the foul calls rare. We matched their aggressiveness and physical style. Pitt gradually closed the gap as we struggled consistently and started turning the ball over. Although Pitt never led, they did tie the game twice in the closing minutes. I beleive it was Macklin and Freeland who hit a couple of 3s late to open up a 5 or 6 point lead. Loughney led all scorers with 18 and 8 rebounds. Macklin finished with 15 and Freeland 11.

It looks like coach has decided on her rotation. We were able to match their aggressiveness and physical play, something we haven't done consistently. Homan still struggling with her shot, O'Hare played her best game of the year: 2 of 4 from the arc, 3 of 8 from the floor but still needs to work on her foul shooting and playing under control.

I understand there are still a limited number of seats available for the next home game on friday, December 21 against St. Francis.
Andy

Re: Wow

The Maroon wrote:
I'm not entirely sold (we have to win some league games) but for now - score one for those who think I'm an idiot. (Although I have yet to hear any acknowledgement that I called the football teams destruction when we were 0-3..."wow Aaron, you are a prognasitcating genius...HOW HARD IS THAT?".


Aaron, my man, you're killing me wth this.  NO ONE said we were world beaters at 3-0.  (although, for sure, NO ONE thought we would be 3-0.) What WAS said was --enjoy being 3-0, dont tell a team that had done everything asked of them that they suck. Savor the moment, thats all.  

Wow is right!  This win is an eye-opener.  Congrats, ladies!
The Maroon

Re: Wow

Andy wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
I'm not entirely sold (we have to win some league games) but for now - score one for those who think I'm an idiot. (Although I have yet to hear any acknowledgement that I called the football teams destruction when we were 0-3..."wow Aaron, you are a prognasitcating genius...HOW HARD IS THAT?".


Aaron, my man, you're killing me wth this.  NO ONE said we were world beaters at 3-0.  (although, for sure, NO ONE thought we would be 3-0.) What WAS said was --enjoy being 3-0, dont tell a team that had done everything asked of them that they suck. Savor the moment, thats all.  

Wow is right!  This win is an eye-opener.  Congrats, ladies!


LOL - those were some whacky times back in September. We followed polls, the idea of runnig the table was at least a thought (and one I might add I did hear on the local sports talk show), we pointed out how bad the rest of the league was, and made statements like "no way we do worse than 7-4".
It was quite a bender.
OK - this is women's hoops.
Great report by Xbo. His recap made the stats make sense. I don't recall coach Nolan ever going with such a tight rotation.


It brings up what could be an interesting dilemma. To see our "Twin Towers" get a combined 11 points /10 boards and for us to score the most we have all season AND beat a quality team like Pitt gives me pause to think that we clearly need to find a way to go small for periods of time. Fran is a genius at using players with a wide variety of strengths and getting the most out of them.  
Anybody who has watched Macklin for more than two minutes has had the "that girl can play" moment. Well yesterday she had a nice coming out party.
Macklin, Freeland and a couple of others like to tight man and get points in transition. Loughney adds something to the mix. I do have to ask if we were getting points in transition or from our half-court set. I have to think it was ttransition.

We have to find a way to use the speed we have but not lose sight of the fact that we have a player who could well get 1,000/1,000/400 for her career That's what a veteran like Diane is paid to do.

We can't get caught in the understandable trap of thinking we're contenders until we show some consistency. I came into the season hoping for at LEAST 12 wins and ideally a good 15. A week ago 12 wins looked like a pipe dream, now 15 seems attainable.

We can't get caught in the understandable trap of thinking we're contenders
bison137

Re: Wow

The Maroon wrote:
[We can't get caught in the understandable trap of thinking we're contenders until we show some consistency.



Yes, I'd definitely try to stay on an even keel.   Beating any Big East team is good - but the fact is that Sagarin had Pitt as only a 1-point or 5-point favorite in this game - depeding on which model you use - so it was far from a big upset.   Pitt was picked for next-to-last in the Big East and, prior to yesterday, had played only home games - with all of their wins being against teams that are among the worst in the nation.  For example, they had to make a three in the final seconds last week for a come-from-behind win over a weak Brown team at home.  (They were also beaten badly at home by Youngstown State.)  

Agnus Berenato has a good chance to get fired after this year, and has scheduled like someone desperately trying to keep her job.    Many at Pitt wonder why she wasn't fired last year, after finishing the year with 16 straight losses and going winless in the Big East.  Pitt, btw, would rank 6th in the Patriot League at the moment in the Sagarin rankings.

So this was a nice win, after the losses to Monmouth and Rider, but the Pitt team they beat may not a lot different than those two.
carney2

137 sticks a pin in our bubble (one of the very few bubbles we have, by the way) and we apparently win on the perimeter where expectations are low.  Screw all the naysayers, it's a "WOW" moment, as the thread header says.  Raise your hand if you saw this coming.
Lafalum

carney2 wrote:
137 sticks a pin in our bubble (one of the very few bubbles we have, by the way) and we apparently win on the perimeter where expectations are low.  Screw all the naysayers, it's a "WOW" moment, as the thread header says.  Raise your hand if you saw this coming.


Totally agree, WoW and great game ladies.
bison137

carney2 wrote:
.  Raise your hand if you saw this coming.



I will raise my hand that I saw a close game coming.    The win is slightly surprising - but only slightly.
The Maroon

carney2 wrote:
137 sticks a pin in our bubble (one of the very few bubbles we have, by the way) and we apparently win on the perimeter where expectations are low.  Screw all the naysayers, it's a "WOW" moment, as the thread header says.  Raise your hand if you saw this coming.


Bison is a perennial buzzkill but he brings a lot of knowledge to the table and his logic is always sound and he has no dog in the fight.
One question: How does Pitt stack up against Seton Hall?
Marooner

carney2 wrote:
Raise your hand if you saw this coming.

An upset to be sure but maybe not a surprise:
http://www.goleopards.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/123111aaa.html
bison137

The Maroon wrote:

Bison is a perennial buzzkill but he brings a lot of knowledge to the table and his logic is always sound and he has no dog in the fight.
One question: How does Pitt stack up against Seton Hall?




Pitt and Seton Hall were tied for next-to-last in this year's Big East preseason poll, and SH at the moment is the worst BE team in the Sagarin rankings - slightly below Pitt.

Last year, Pitt was 0-16 in the Big East and Seton Hall was 1-15, with their lone victory over Pitt.   Both were ranked behind the better PL schools last year.
carney2

Marooner wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Raise your hand if you saw this coming.

An upset to be sure but maybe not a surprise:
http://www.goleopards.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/123111aaa.html


Big least vs. Patriot League:  surprised the hell out of me.
Xboreturns

The real story here is not who they beat, how the team they beat is ranked, what color uniforms they wore, etc. but how the team played. If, IF, they can play with the same intensity, match the other teams physicality, and take care of the ball like they did in the Pitt game, game in and game out, then they will be a contender in league play. One game does not a season make. You need to prove yourself every game.
edmc2416

Good words of wisdom from xbor.  Keeping their heads in the game and understanding the game situations is critical as well.

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