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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:36 pm

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carney2 wrote:
Don't forget, Andy, even with need based aid, only 57 or so equivalencies still made for a "counter" in scheduling FBS opponents. This makes Frank's comments even more mysterious.


Agree Carney, and I wish we had clarification on this.  As I said prior the graduating senior class was rather smal,l so I had assumed this class with 15 fulls would increase our net total to at least the low to mid-50's.  

Only thing I can think of is that I believe the total of 57 to be a counter may take into account the avergage over a period of a few years.  Maybe Frank is saying we will need a year or two to up our multi-year averge and get us over the hump to counter status.

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:44 pm

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carney2 wrote:
Don't forget, Andy, even with need based aid, only 57 or so equivalencies still made for a "counter" in scheduling FBS opponents. This makes Frank's comments even more mysterious.


Agreed. That's what I meant by this mess:


"I believe that translates to - it will take 4 years for us to get to the point of having had 2 consecutive years of 57 equivalencies or higher. Or, less preferable translation - we will reach 57 in four years, requiring another year to reach the required 2 consecutive yr avg of at least 57. "

We must be still recovering from the depleted numbers caused by the 2 yr cuts. Yes, surprised, didnt think we'd need 4 yrs to recover.

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:53 pm

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Andy wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Don't forget, Andy, even with need based aid, only 57 or so equivalencies still made for a "counter" in scheduling FBS opponents. This makes Frank's comments even more mysterious.


Agreed. That's what I meant by this mess:


"I believe that translates to - it will take 4 years for us to get to the point of having had 2 consecutive years of 57 equivalencies or higher. Or, less preferable translation - we will reach 57 in four years, requiring another year to reach the required 2 consecutive yr avg of at least 57. "

We must be still recovering from the depleted numbers caused by the 2 yr cuts. Yes, surprised, didnt think we'd need 4 yrs to recover.

I believe there is also some money to be raised by FOF to cover one scholarship.

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:58 pm

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Lafalum wrote:

I believe there is also some money to be raised by FOF to cover one scholarship.


Thanks. So LC committed to 14 per year and FOF to top off to 15.

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:02 pm

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I believe the rule for a game to count toward FBS bowl eligibility is the FCs program must use 90% of available scholarships over 2 consecutive years.

Edit: yeah, here it is:

One win over a FCS team can count toward the win total each year provided the FCS team has supplied financial aid for football averaging out to at least 56.7 full scholarships (90% of the limit of 63 allowed to FCS schools) over "a rolling two-year period" that can include the current season.////

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:09 pm

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Andy wrote:
Lafalum wrote:

I believe there is also some money to be raised by FOF to cover one scholarship.


Thanks. So LC committed to 14 per year and FOF to top off to 15.

I think it is 56 and 1 from fundraising.

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:17 pm

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Lafalum wrote:
Andy wrote:
Lafalum wrote:

I believe there is also some money to be raised by FOF to cover one scholarship.


Thanks. So LC committed to 14 per year and FOF to top off to 15.

I think it is 56 and 1 from fundraising.


Wow, now you've got me concerned, lafalum. Do you mean to say that we do not intend to grant 15 per year up to the 60 limit?

Frank said we will be giving out the max these first two years.

Coach Tavani: Patriot League rules dictate the equivalent of 15 per year for the first two years. We will use all of them.
Wednesday February 6, 2013 12:12

BTW, if I have it correct, per league rules, in year three a school may exceed the 15 limit to bring roster up to 60 schol equivs if it so chooses.

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:51 pm

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The Friends of Football 2012 brochure, under "Annual Giving Opportunities" lists the following:

"$60,000= Scholarship Sponsors. (1 from FoLF for 2013 in addition to 14 college will provide)".

It does not state whether this is the program for each year or, if the college will be providing 14 or 15 in future years.

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:10 pm

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Xboreturns wrote:
The Friends of Football 2012 brochure, under "Annual Giving Opportunities" lists the following:

"$60,000= Scholarship Sponsors. (1 from FoLF for 2013 in addition to 14 college will provide)".

It does not state whether this is the program for each year or, if the college will be providing 14 or 15 in future years.


Good stuff, x.  So we know the makeup of this year's aid. We know, per coach's statement, that we will be granting 15 again next year.  So, the question remains, do we intend to reach the league max of 60?

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:25 pm

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Andy wrote:
if I have it correct, per league rules, in year three a school may exceed the 15 limit to bring roster up to 60 schol equivs if it so chooses.


That is my understanding.  After the 2014 recruiting class has been put on the books, the 15 per year rule is dead.  Beginning in 2015 the max moves to 60 total and you can arrange that any way you see fit.

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:11 pm

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As of this past year, I think we only had in the mid-40s per equivalencies.  In 2011, it was 43.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:05 pm

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Pard4Life wrote:
As of this past year, I think we only had in the mid-40s per equivalencies. In 2011, it was 43.


Ugh,  well, budget numbers are back up:

'04-'05   $2.78 mil
'05          3.11
'06          3.22
'07          3.33
'08          4.13
'09          4.2
'10          3.85
'11-'12     4.31

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:11 pm

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Andy wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
As of this past year, I think we only had in the mid-40s per equivalencies. In 2011, it was 43.


Ugh, well, budget numbers are back up:

'04-'05 $2.78 mil
'05 3.11
'06 3.22
'07 3.33
'08 4.13
'09 4.2
'10 3.85
'11-'12 4.31


Well, you could say all of the funding was restored... remember, 2010 includes the recruits that year, but it does not explain the depth and supposed lack of equivalencies that started in 2009 and 2008... something is not clear.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:25 pm

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Yeah,  those numbers dont appear to reflect a loss of 16 equivalencies over 2 years.  The explanation must invlolve attrition as well as the small class. No idea on the accounting practices.

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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:30 pm

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Signing day interview of our alum Chris Partridge, head coach, Paramus Catholic, NJ state champs. Does not mention Marquise Watson as this interview concerns next year's seniors. Chris does mention LC as one of several schools interested in one of his players, so at least he's thinking of us. Smile Nothing much, but Chris is on for about 7 mins beginning at the 5:30 mark:

http://www.msgvarsity.com/recruit...les-signing-day-special-1.1375853

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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:49 am

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[quote="Andy:30917"]Signing day interview of our alum Chris Partridge, head coach, Paramus Catholic, NJ state champs. Does not mention Marquise Watson as this interview concerns next year's seniors. Chris does mention LC as one of several schools interested in one of his players, so at least he's thinking of us. Smile Nothing much, but Chris is on for about 7 mins beginning at the 5:30 mark:

So reading between the lines Frank still has one scholarship left and he still is trying to lure Watson to us  Very Happy

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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:32 pm

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[quote="BillS:30927"]
Andy wrote:
Signing day interview of our alum Chris Partridge, head coach, Paramus Catholic, NJ state champs. Does not mention Marquise Watson as this interview concerns next year's seniors. Chris does mention LC as one of several schools interested in one of his players, so at least he's thinking of us. Smile Nothing much, but Chris is on for about 7 mins beginning at the 5:30 mark:

So reading between the lines Frank still has one scholarship left and he still is trying to lure Watson to us Very Happy


Well, let's hope so, bill.  However, the offer from LC mentioned in the interview is to one of Chris' jrs, a top notch player and student, prob end up at H.   My optimism comes merely from the fact that Chris went out of his way to mention us.  I have no way of knowing Chris' relationship with the staff, I'll infer from this tidbit that it's a good one.  

BTW, the website story on the 2013 schedule mentioned that we hadnt faced Sacred Heart since 2001.   I distinctly remember standing in a wind driven rain at their place to open a season.  It was 2006.  How'd you like to have an OL with Saint, Lippert, Plenski and Padilla again?!   Players win games.

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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:59 pm

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[quote="Andy:30929"]
BillS wrote:
Andy wrote:
Signing day interview of our alum Chris Partridge, head coach, Paramus Catholic, NJ state champs. Does not mention Marquise Watson as this interview concerns next year's seniors. Chris does mention LC as one of several schools interested in one of his players, so at least he's thinking of us. Smile Nothing much, but Chris is on for about 7 mins beginning at the 5:30 mark:

So reading between the lines Frank still has one scholarship left and he still is trying to lure Watson to us Very Happy


Well, let's hope so, bill. However, the offer from LC mentioned in the interview is to one of Chris' jrs, a top notch player and student, prob end up at H. My optimism comes merely from the fact that Chris went out of his way to mention us. I have no way of knowing Chris' relationship with the staff, I'll infer from this tidbit that it's a good one.

BTW, the website story on the 2013 schedule mentioned that we hadnt faced Sacred Heart since 2001. I distinctly remember standing in a wind driven rain at their place to open a season. It was 2006. How'd you like to have an OL with Saint, Lippert, Plenski and Padilla again?! Players win games.


Yes, it was 2006.  That OL was nasty.  2009 is up there too.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:59 pm

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Andy wrote:
... How'd you like to have an OL with Saint, Lippert, Plenski and Padilla again?! Players win games.

Speaking (typing, really) of Leo, not sure if anyone mentioned that he now has the head coaching job at his alma mater, Bristol HS(Bucks Co.).  He did a good job there last fall from what I understand.
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:49 pm

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Andy wrote:
How'd you like to have an OL with Saint, Lippert, Plenski and Padilla again?! Players win games.


Perhaps not this good, but we're getting there.  This is (finally) the turnaround year for the OL.

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