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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:48 am

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seenalot wrote:

I think Fly's post summed it up pretty nicely, especially as a current parent. As an alum of the 70's I can only echo the part about alumni network and involvement - it works for the long term. Good luck with the choice - its stressful and a big deal - am sure he will do just fine.


SoCalFan - Agree with all said, and glad your kid loves the place on his visit. Full disclosure would be that the alumni network is strong in the northeast but still pretty thin in SoCal where LC is relatively unknown. Your wife probably sees that even as a Bucknell alum. But I think the current administration will be trying to work on that. Good luck with the choices and hope to see you on this board in years to come!

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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:33 pm

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carney2 wrote:
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My son is taking his official recruiting trip this weekend to Lafayette. He does have a scholarship offer. What kind of season do you expect next year? Do you expect to repeat? Thanks.


The schedule is easier.
Starters returning at key positions.
The depth is improving.
The kids weathered some hard times in 2013 and came through.

Should be a good season. One of our regulars on this board has stated that anything less than 8 wins would be a failure. Not sure that I totally agree, but 8-3 or even better is a possibility. On paper, the toughest games will be (in the order played) William & Mary, Fordham and Harvard, all on the road. Anyway, you see where the thinking is at this point.


Yes, that was me.  Anything less than 8-3 will be a disappointment.  And not beating Lehigh of course.  Wagner lost to a D2 team last season!  Things change quickly but still, we should be beating these teams.  Even in our drunken Frankosaurus state in Game 1 vs. Sacred Heart, a 10-2 playoff team, we nearly won... oh wait, we did win the game.  Not according to the officials though.  Robert Morris is not the greatest either...

Once Reed came into the game vs. Harvard, we were mopping them all over the field.  Defensively, we played as well as one could expect vs. that team... I was surprised we contained their edge runs well.  The offense lost us that game in the first half.  

Not sure we will tab Fordham again.. they will be ready.  And WM is just simply very physical.
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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:21 pm

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Welcome aboard SoCalFan... hope you and your son will have a great experience at Lafayette.

That said, I would like to offer you this brief orientation:

Hate these guys:  

How to refer to those guys:  Fountain Fowl, Fowl, Brown Stain, the Stain, Saucon Swine (sports complex is in Saucon Valley), the Taunters, Chicken Squawks, Squawks... a few dozen others I can't recall...

How to engage those guys:  Remember that the conversation always comes back to them and their superiority... the conversation will ultimately steer that direction.  Also, whenever Lehigh is not a league champion or is having a down year, the Patriot League is considered 'weak.'

Our history and heritage:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lafayette_Leopards_football

The Rivalry:  [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehigh-Lafayette_football_games_(The_Rivalry)[/url]

It's referred to as "Lafayette-Lehigh"  despite the popular way of saying it the other way... 1) We have more wins 2) alphabetically correct  3) We won the first game 4) our school is older by several decades.

Our cousins:  

We also don't really like:  

Order of animosity around here:

1)  Lehigh
2)  Penn (a distant second)
3) Colgate
Honorable mention:  Georgetown, Harvard, Princeton

carney2's order of animosity and for most people:

1) Lehigh
2) Lehigh
3) Lehigh

The Ivy Curse:  supposedly there is an Ivy League curse around here... we find a way to lose or bizarre things happen a-la Steve Bartman or black cats running onto the field.  However, some are doubtful, including myself.   You cannot deny though that we somehow struggle against the Ivy, our primary out of conference foes, despite our league mates often beating the Ivy.  We have Penn's number by having won five of the last seven games, all spurred by a Penn intentional safety that backfired dramatically in 2007.  Forget about beating Princeton... four wins since 1884... 1909, 1982, 2000, 2003... bizarre things happen here but one can write a tome of our strategic errors in this game.

The Patriot:

Bucknell: won the first Orange Bowl, they do not take football seriously says popular thought, but recently, they are pumping money into the program, and they have had the best defesne the past few years.

Holy Cross: fans are always talking about the glory years of Gordie Lockbaum, but HC is usually a tough team when they have a mobile QB in their system, which they have.  Games against them are always close and dramatic.

Fordham: legendary team of Lombardi, started giving scholarships in 2009 before everyone else and is probably why the rest of the PL went that route.  Thank you Fordham.  Their reward was title ineligibility until 2014.  Schollies did nothing for them until they got their current transfer QB and head coach from UConn two years ago.  

Colgate:  Loathed Dick Biddle is gone after 17 years.  Still, we cannot stop these guys on offense.. ever... carney2 can explain.  We surrender an average of 32 points vs. Colgate or something like that.. and their RB and QB rush for 400+ yards combined... no sarcasm.  They play dirty too.  Title usually comes down to games vs. Gate and Lehigh.

Georgetown: The loathed step-child... but we have lost three of four to them in our down years.  Truly embarrassing.  Then there was the "Verizon FIOs" game.  They do not fund the program and are the only PL team not awarding schollies (at this time)... they were awful under the need-based system, so it will not be pretty.  Games vs. Gtown are closer than they should be..
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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:28 pm

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Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:20 am

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Pard4Life wrote:

Hate these guys:

How to refer to those guys: Fountain Fowl, Fowl, Brown Stain, the Stain, Saucon Swine (sports complex is in Saucon Valley), the Taunters, Chicken Squawks, Squawks... a few dozen others I can't recall...

carney2's order of animosity and for most people:

1) Lehigh
2) Lehigh
3) Lehigh

The Ivy Curse: supposedly there is an Ivy League curse around here...


Nicely done, P4L. A recruit's primer. It should be distributed to all signees after February 5th. Anyway, SoCal, consider this the beginning of your education. Clarification:

Lehigh is not an important game; it's not a rivalry; it is a hate fest. It's the only game!!!!! All the others are preseason. Back in the days before Bogie deserted us for his national (AGS) audience, this board bordered on the lunatic beginning the Sunday before THE Game. A former player who posted under the moniker Pard94, and who we haven't heard from in a while, would almost literally convey that he was frothing at the mouth during that week. Most here have been experiencing a warm glow since about 3:45 this past November 23rd. It will last until the aforementioned upcoming Sunday in November. Over on Squawk Mountain, not so much. They will be pi$$in' and moanin' until that same day. IF IT'S BROWN FLUSH IT DOWN!

The Curse (note the use of caps in both words) is not an Ivy curse as P4L mistakenly states. There are 8 teams we traditionally do not beat: the Ivys, sans Columbia, plus Colgate. Despite our recent success vs. Pennsylvania even that series is incredibly lopsided in Penn's favor. Princeton, as P4L hints, is the poster child for The Curse. They don't have to be good. They just need to show up. We've been playing them since 1882 (not every year) and have won exactly 4 times. Since we have to play Colgate every year, they are worth a special mention. This past year the entire coaching staff succumbed to The Curse and got themselves a one way ticket to Stupid. It was over early and over often. The year before that, in what should have been a competitive game, 'gate scored on every possession save one (I think their final, run out the clock, possession) en route to an all-time Patriot League record for total offense. Lafayette defensive coordinator John Loose has been trying to stop that offense for 14 years with no success.

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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:37 pm

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As to next year, while we should be better, so should others. I tend to lean toward realistic with a slight slant toward optimism.

Colgate will be better and we play them away. have to figure out a way to beat them
William and Mary will be even better.
Fordham will not back up. They are good
Bucknell will be improved and we play at their place.
Lehigh will be much improved.
Harvard is Harvard. No easy game there.
Only 4 home games and 2 are OOC and 2 are against weaker PL teams.

next year we have a terrible schedule.

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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:09 pm

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flyfisher wrote:
As to next year, while we should be better, so should others. I tend to lean toward realistic with a slight slant toward optimism.

Colgate will be better and we play them away. have to figure out a way to beat them
William and Mary will be even better.
Fordham will not back up. They are good
Bucknell will be improved and we play at their place.
Lehigh will be much improved.
Harvard is Harvard. No easy game there.
Only 4 home games and 2 are OOC and 2 are against weaker PL teams.

next year we have a terrible schedule.


P4L's 8-3 may be a stretch, but I take issue with some of what you say:

COLGATE is always a problem for us and November on the Tundra can be purgatory. To say that they will be better without McCarney may be a stretch however. True that he spent much of the year injured, but he looked about 100% against Lafayette. They have an OK running back, but the quarterbacking will not be up to the standards set by McCarney and, before him, Greg Sullivan. That two back run-read option requires that both backs be above average to work properly. In summary, they won't be a pushover, but they won't necessarily be better.

W&M went 7-5 last year and blew us out of the water. I'm not convinced they will be that much better, but do they need to be? I expect us to be more competitive this September, but a win will not be easy.

FORDHAM will go as far as QB Nebrich can take them. I honestly don't expect them to lose only one regular season game again. A big mountain for us to climb on the road.

Bucknell (without Wesley) and Lehigh (without Bialkowski) will be neither improved nor much improved. I would not, however, expect to see the incompetence displayed by Lehigh this past November to be repeated at Yankee Stadium.  Which is to say that I don't expect them to be what they were for the 2013 season, but I do expect them to show up in the Bronx.

Despite what one poster says about "schollies," all of the NEC games are quite winnable, and even Harvard is not quite the stretch it's been in the recent past. If Mickey Fein can play wisely with his new toy (Reed), and The Frankosaurus can pop a few sedatives, this should be a good year and could be a very good year with what you call a terrible schedule.

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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:21 pm

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carney2 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
As to next year, while we should be better, so should others. I tend to lean toward realistic with a slight slant toward optimism.

Colgate will be better and we play them away. have to figure out a way to beat them
William and Mary will be even better.
Fordham will not back up. They are good
Bucknell will be improved and we play at their place.
Lehigh will be much improved.
Harvard is Harvard. No easy game there.
Only 4 home games and 2 are OOC and 2 are against weaker PL teams.

next year we have a terrible schedule.


P4L's 8-3 may be a stretch, but I take issue with some of what you say:

COLGATE is always a problem for us and November on the Tundra can be purgatory. To say that they will be better without McCarney may be a stretch however. True that he spent much of the year injured, but he looked about 100% against Lafayette. They have an OK running back, but the quarterbacking will not be up to the standards set by McCarney and, before him, Greg Sullivan. That two back run-read option requires that both backs be above average to work properly. In summary, they won't be a pushover, but they won't necessarily be better.

W&M went 7-5 last year and blew us out of the water. I'm not convinced they will be that much better, but do they need to be? I expect us to be more competitive this September, but a win will not be easy.

FORDHAM will go as far as QB Nebrich can take them. I honestly don't expect them to lose only one regular season game again. A big mountain for us to climb on the road.

Bucknell (without Wesley) and Lehigh (without Bialkowski) will be neither improved nor much improved. I would not, however, expect to see the incompetence displayed by Lehigh this past November to be repeated at Yankee Stadium. Which is to say that I don't expect them to be what they were for the 2013 season, but I do expect them to show up in the Bronx.

Despite what one poster says about "schollies," all of the NEC games are quite winnable, and even Harvard is not quite the stretch it's been in the recent past. If Mickey Fein can play wisely with his new toy (Reed), and The Frankosaurus can pop a few sedatives, this should be a good year and could be a very good year with what you call a terrible schedule.


Just a note, Gate has a big RB, a former back up at Don Dosco, who was injured last year, whom they seem to be high on.  QB competition there should be interesting.

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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:25 pm

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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:11 am

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Andy wrote:
Just a note, Gate has a big RB, a former back up at Don Dosco, who was injured last year, whom they seem to be high on. QB competition there should be interesting.


They do seem to keep coming up there, don't they. Still, unless Dan Hunt plans to break the mold, that offense requires two to tango. QB cannot be just a warm body in that that two back run-read. Jordan Scott and Nick Eachus had the benefit of sharing the backfield with Sullivan and McCarney. Scott also had the benefit of big time receiver Pat Simonds to take some of the pressure off. The new phenom RB may be something of a lone ranger, at least for this year. Last year's 4-8 was not up to the 'gate's usual high standards and, with the OL they recruited last year, they should be better. But, how much better?

Let me add one thing about W&M.  They are traditionally a middle of the pack CAA team.  Frankly, and even without red-shirts, this is exactly the type of program that we should be able to beat with scholarships.  Unfortunately, two years does not a scholarship program make.

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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:17 am

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carney2 wrote:
Let me add one thing about W&M. They are traditionally a middle of the pack CAA team. Frankly, and even without red-shirts, this is exactly the type of program that we should be able to beat with scholarships. Unfortunately, two years does not a scholarship program make.


Well, you beat us two years ago without scholarships.

Tribe success next fall still hinges on QB situation. Two guys who missed all of 2013 will hopefully compete this spring. They are both at a different level than the guys who played in 2013. The rest of the team will be as good, or better than last year. Defense will again be very strong with four all-CAA guys back and good depth. All of the RBs and WRs return, and OL brings up two redshirt freshmen who are very good. If we get a QB on the field this may be one of our best teams ever.

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Tribe4SF wrote:
Well, you beat us two years ago without scholarships.


Yes, and we're still out there trying to recruit an hour-long lightning delay for this season as well.  No success yet but we still have Oklahoma and the southern Missouri region yet to cover.

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Tribe4SF wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Let me add one thing about W&M. They are traditionally a middle of the pack CAA team. Frankly, and even without red-shirts, this is exactly the type of program that we should be able to beat with scholarships. Unfortunately, two years does not a scholarship program make.


Well, you beat us two years ago without scholarships.

Tribe success next fall still hinges on QB situation. Two guys who missed all of 2013 will hopefully compete this spring. They are both at a different level than the guys who played in 2013. The rest of the team will be as good, or better than last year. Defense will again be very strong with four all-CAA guys back and good depth. All of the RBs and WRs return, and OL brings up two redshirt freshmen who are very good. If we get a QB on the field this may be one of our best teams ever.

Haven't tried to verify this - but I saw a quote on the AGS forum that William and Mary redshirted all 23 members of their freshman class last year.  If true, it is pretty hard to compete against that!  (Also if true, it is a demonstration of the school's value of winning at sports over the importance of the kids' academic lives).

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ELB wrote:
Tribe4SF wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Let me add one thing about W&M. They are traditionally a middle of the pack CAA team. Frankly, and even without red-shirts, this is exactly the type of program that we should be able to beat with scholarships. Unfortunately, two years does not a scholarship program make.


Well, you beat us two years ago without scholarships.

Tribe success next fall still hinges on QB situation. Two guys who missed all of 2013 will hopefully compete this spring. They are both at a different level than the guys who played in 2013. The rest of the team will be as good, or better than last year. Defense will again be very strong with four all-CAA guys back and good depth. All of the RBs and WRs return, and OL brings up two redshirt freshmen who are very good. If we get a QB on the field this may be one of our best teams ever.

Haven't tried to verify this - but I saw a quote on the AGS forum that William and Mary redshirted all 23 members of their freshman class last year. If true, it is pretty hard to compete against that! (Also if true, it is a demonstration of the school's value of winning at sports over the importance of the kids' academic lives).


Not all of those kids will take a 5th year (and it is usually just one extra semester).  Some will simply decide to leave after 4 years, and others will not be welcomed back (W&M may be a better with this than other programs).

A good portion of the kids at W&M will use that extra semester to take graduate classes.  I understand how red-shirting can be viewed as putting sports 1st, but if done correctly it can help athletes manage work loads, or even get a few grad classes paid for.


I agree that red-shirting will always be an issue.  Imagine if we had Mark Ross, Mike Boles and Brandon Hall coming back next year.  It would be a very different team.

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The irrefutable truth as to why any college football team redshirts its entire freshman class is in the numbers.  Sort it out.

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Redshirting also would destroy the much-touted 4-year graduation rate. Lafayette can't keep the grad students. Even if the PL permitted automatic redshirting I don't think we'd do it. Lehigh and Georgetown are the only schools really in a position to benefit from redshirting and playing graduate students.

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ELB wrote:
The irrefutable truth as to why any college football team redshirts its entire freshman class is in the numbers. Sort it out.


http://articles.dailypress.com/20...-commissioner-tom-yeager-athletes

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Franks Tanks wrote:
ELB wrote:
Tribe4SF wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Let me add one thing about W&M. They are traditionally a middle of the pack CAA team. Frankly, and even without red-shirts, this is exactly the type of program that we should be able to beat with scholarships. Unfortunately, two years does not a scholarship program make.


Well, you beat us two years ago without scholarships.

Tribe success next fall still hinges on QB situation. Two guys who missed all of 2013 will hopefully compete this spring. They are both at a different level than the guys who played in 2013. The rest of the team will be as good, or better than last year. Defense will again be very strong with four all-CAA guys back and good depth. All of the RBs and WRs return, and OL brings up two redshirt freshmen who are very good. If we get a QB on the field this may be one of our best teams ever.

Haven't tried to verify this - but I saw a quote on the AGS forum that William and Mary redshirted all 23 members of their freshman class last year. If true, it is pretty hard to compete against that! (Also if true, it is a demonstration of the school's value of winning at sports over the importance of the kids' academic lives).


Not all of those kids will take a 5th year (and it is usually just one extra semester). Some will simply decide to leave after 4 years, and others will not be welcomed back (W&M may be a better with this than other programs).

A good portion of the kids at W&M will use that extra semester to take graduate classes. I understand how red-shirting can be viewed as putting sports 1st, but if done correctly it can help athletes manage work loads, or even get a few grad classes paid for.


I agree that red-shirting will always be an issue. Imagine if we had Mark Ross, Mike Boles and Brandon Hall coming back next year. It would be a very different team.


The freshman class was 25 and they did indeed all redshirt. In recent memory we have never played more than two freshman. The system at W&M works well for redshirts, and you are right that many are in grad school the fifth year. Most graduate in nine semesters, having also used summer school to manage their academic load.


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Red, grey shirting can be abused solely to benefit Fball. Done properly, ie W & M, can enhance both.
PL ban , an Ivy Lite remnant, serves little purpose other than as one of our cost containment rules.

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RichH wrote:
Red, grey shirting can be abused solely to benefit Fball. Done properly, ie W & M, can enhance both.
PL ban , an Ivy Lite remnant, serves little purpose other than as one of our cost containment rules.
Red shirting will never happen in the PL !

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