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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:36 am

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zenator wrote:
Andy:

First, thanks for all the hard work and the excellent insights. Second, I want to make a comment on recruiting.

In the past 2 recruiting classes, it appears that the Pards have invested heavily in building a big, physical OL to fit a run-first mentality. Not a knock but do not see most of the O-lineman as well-suited to playing in a wide-open spread-type offense.


I would generally agree until we bought in this class.
The films show Marotti, Bradley, and Elliott as the quickest linemen we've bought into date. IMO of course.

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:19 am

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edge29 wrote:
zenator wrote:


In the past 2 recruiting classes, it appears that the Pards have invested heavily in building a big, physical OL to fit a run-first mentality. Not a knock but do not see most of the O-lineman as well-suited to playing in a wide-open spread-type offense.


I would generally agree until we bought in this class.
The films show Marotti, Bradley, and Elliott as the quickest linemen we've bought into date. IMO of course.


I'd like to hear you expound on that zenator. Are you referring to an issue raised here before by Tanks and others that we might prefer to see Frank/Stan put more priority on mobility (at expense of pure size)? If so, I agree with 29 that they seem to have brought in kids possessing both size and mobility this year.

The past few seasons (last year of course affected by personell losses) screamed for pass protectors. Arent these guys with the great length text book pass blockers at the T position? Doesnt the spread, with minimal blocking by backs, depend on superior OL pass blockers?

Are you referring again to more mobility demanded by zone blocking plays?

I'd really like to be educated here, I'm not an x and o guy. Are we a spread team, pistol variation, or are we "multiple formation", we run 2 TE and H-B a lot. Guys have expressed a desire for more narrow focus, a more defined O. I dont see Drew as a typical spread QB, not the strongest arm, not the best, most durable runner. What are we? Help me out.

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:24 am

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Andy wrote:
edge29 wrote:
zenator wrote:


In the past 2 recruiting classes, it appears that the Pards have invested heavily in building a big, physical OL to fit a run-first mentality. Not a knock but do not see most of the O-lineman as well-suited to playing in a wide-open spread-type offense.


I would generally agree until we bought in this class.
The films show Marotti, Bradley, and Elliott as the quickest linemen we've bought into date. IMO of course.


I'd like to hear you expound on that zenator. Are you referring to an issue raised here before by Tanks and others that we might prefer to see Frank/Stan put more priority on mobility (at expense of pure size)? If so, I agree with 29 that they seem to have brought in kids possessing both size and mobility this year.

The past few seasons (last year of course affected by personell losses) screamed for pass protectors. Arent these guys with the great length text book pass blockers at the T position? Doesnt the spread, with minimal blocking by backs, depend on superior OL pass blockers?

Are you referring again to more mobility demanded by zone blocking plays?

I'd really like to be educated here, I'm not an x and o guy. Are we a spread team, pistol variation, or are we "multiple formation", we run 2 TE and H-B a lot. Guys have expressed a desire for more narrow focus, a more defined O. I dont see Drew as a typical spread QB, not the strongest arm, not the best, most durable runner. What are we? Help me out.


For better or worse, despite size and length, I do not see any of these O-linemen as having the feet or hip flex to be "text book pass blockers" in a pass-first offense.  If they had it all (i.e. size, length, feet and hip flex), they would likely be playing in the SEC.

Personally, I have no problem with a run-heavy offense that mixes in high percentage passes on occasion.

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:39 am

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We can't get SEC quality players so we try to come close.

Again, what type OL do you want and why? Want to run Gates offense? I'm with you. More well defined approach, narrow the focus, less moving parts, cookie cutter recruiting, bring in an expert on the read option.

On the other hand, I'm pretty excited to see Austin run our current O.

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:15 pm

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Andy wrote:
We can't get SEC quality players so we try to come close.

Again, what type OL do you want and why? Want to run Gates offense? I'm with you. More well defined approach, narrow the focus, less moving parts, cookie cutter recruiting, bring in an expert on the read option.

On the other hand, I'm pretty excited to see Austin run our current O.


My personal recommendation is to stay the course and continue to run the same O and D next season. What other choice is there?

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:30 pm

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zenator wrote:
Andy wrote:
We can't get SEC quality players so we try to come close.

Again, what type OL do you want and why? Want to run Gates offense? I'm with you. More well defined approach, narrow the focus, less moving parts, cookie cutter recruiting, bring in an expert on the read option.

On the other hand, I'm pretty excited to see Austin run our current O.


My personal recommendation is to stay the course and continue to run the same O and D next season. What other choice is there?
[quote="Pardsfriend:53017"]A couple observations.

Reviewing kids from the NJ side of Delaware, of which I'm more familiar, Thomas and Monteyne played in an extremely competitive Big North conference, for large publics. This may be most competitive conference in state, and one of top in country. Many kids graduate and play in top FBS programs.

Observing the overall group, the db from Ohio stands out to me with outstanding cover skills and recovery speed that is instinctive to him.

I agree this group of linemen has potential, but can't be judged until they play against FCS players.  And this includes the PG guys, as well.

It is difficult to judge the quality of competition from film without understanding of area and conferences. I expect our staff evaluated with competition in mind, and projected whether all of these kids could play in the PL.

Development of recruits in this group falls squarely on the kids, and this coaching staff. I expect a couple to contribute immediately, and wish all the best opportunities to succeed on college hill.

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:43 pm

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Pardsfriend wrote:
It is difficult to judge the quality of competition from film without understanding of area and conferences. I expect our staff evaluated with competition in mind, and projected whether all of these kids could play in the PL..


I guess, but most were in agreement that Bragalone had played against a buch of stiffs. Still, kudos to the LU staff who knew a 1000 yd rusher when they saw one, regardless of the competition. Professional coaches should be able to do that. I'm with you that this group of OL has great potential.

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:55 pm

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Andy wrote:
We can't get SEC quality players so we try to come close.

Again, what type OL do you want and why? Want to run Gates offense? I'm with you. More well defined approach, narrow the focus, less moving parts, cookie cutter recruiting, bring in an expert on the read option.

On the other hand, I'm pretty excited to see Austin run our current O.


Andy:

Sorry I lacked the time yesterday to respond more fully.

In terms of OL, patience is a virtue because it generally takes about 2 years to develop an O-lineman, which means starting in the junior year. Because of the demands of the position, particularly at T, recruiting can be a hit or miss proposition so having numbers is important. with a limited number of scholarships, it takes balls, after last season, to invest so heavily in the position because of the lack of immediate results. It also suggests a decree of confidence that the present roster has the ability to execute the current offense.

On D, the 4-2-5 has a lot of virtues, since it allows the D to adapt without substitution to a variety of offensive formations. But, it places a recruiting premium on CBs,  a stud tackle that routinely commands double teams and a DE that can really push rush. I am not denigrating the importance of the LBs or the safeties, but there are a lot of athletes who fit the mold. Time will tell.

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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:05 pm

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Some may recall AJ Long of now-defunct Pius X, who transferred out, then went to Syracuse and was told his career was over after several concussions.
Somehow he's back and going to Wagner:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/s...ormer_pius_x_qb_aj_long_back.html

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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:56 pm

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bethlehempard wrote:
Some may recall AJ Long of now-defunct Pius X, who transferred out, then went to Syracuse and was told his career was over after several concussions.
Somehow he's back and going to Wagner:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/s...ormer_pius_x_qb_aj_long_back.html


This is becoming common, especially at places like Alabama and Ohio State.  Have too many kids on scholarship?  Find a kid or two you don't really want anymore a find a way to medically DQ him.  Kid keeps his scholarship if he stays in school, and it doesn't count against the 85.  These situations are fishy as the kids who are DQ'd typically surface somewhere else.

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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:37 pm

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Much more common than not. DQ ing players who are not likely to produce then replacing them with grey shirts that some schools in Fla papticularly. Nether groups count against NCAA caps.

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:57 am

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Also meant to say that I hope this young man finds success on and off the field at Wagner.  

The injury DQ really is a shame.  Some of the kids who are DQ'ed no doubt have real medical issues and should retire from football.  It is great that they still receive a full ride so long as they keep their academics in order.  However, so many kids who get DQ'ed transfer and are magically able to play at their new schools.  I read about a kid who was DQ'ed at OSU, and transferred to Auburn and started this year.  At OSU his knee was in such bad shape that he could no longer play football.  At Auburn his knee had healed to the extent that he was able to start every game.  It has become a creative way to cut kids at certain programs.

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:20 pm

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An additional commitment tweeted today:

Blake Meyer QB/K 6-4 200 Ocean View HS, Huntington Beach, CA

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2691419/blake-meyer

Co-OPY in his league per OCVarsity

http://www.ocvarsity.com/ocvarsity/football-82480-ocean-view.html

Welcome aboard, Blake!

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:02 pm

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There was a blurb in today's Philadelphia Inquirer about Tommy Strasberger as part of an article about CBE's basketball team.He is described as a "six foot two guard who averages about 12 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals.The coach described him as the heart and soul of the team. The reporter described him as a standout DB on the football team who will play that sport at Lafayette.The article is accompanied by a half page picture of him. He looks like former NFL Safety and current broadcaster John Lynch.Strasburger scored 13 points in an upset of the number 1 seed in the district playoffs.

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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:00 am

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Earle and Lamb have been named to the East squad - PA E-W All-Star game.

Congrats, Pards!

Only PL bound PA Big-33 participant is Bucknell's DB Fox.

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Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:21 pm

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Unbelievable, Hunt tweeting that Gate has signed Choate's highly sought after WR/DB Abu Daramy. Flips from Yale commitment.  Ugh..

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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:43 pm

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FWW, he's probably pretty good. Choate has been undefeated the last two yrs in New England "A."

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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:25 pm

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pardfan wrote:
FWW, he's probably pretty good. Choate has been undefeated the last two yrs in New England "A."


Yup, he had offers from Kent St, W. Mich, as well as FCS.  Committed to Yale and went the prep route to raise academics. Apparently didn't get a Yale worthy ACT score. Kudos to Gate for apparently holding a scholarship for the kid, just in case. Player had a full need based package to Y if he could've qualified academically.

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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:47 am

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Andy wrote:
pardfan wrote:
FWW, he's probably pretty good. Choate has been undefeated the last two yrs in New England "A."


Yup, he had offers from Kent St, W. Mich, as well as FCS. Committed to Yale and went the prep route to raise academics. Apparently didn't get a Yale worthy ACT score. Kudos to Gate for apparently holding a scholarship for the kid, just in case. Player had a full need based package to Y if he could've qualified academically.


Good get for CU. Nice looking player with some serious speed. But, I'll take Amil at the slot over any other player in the league!

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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:00 am

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I found it interesting we "lost" the Patsy ratings.  McCrum gave up at least 2 stars by committing early IMO.  Someone help me but I can't recall any QBs we've signed that have had the post season accolades and championships he has.  
Plus he's a stud.  6'4" and already 220.  We know he's well weight trained from the YouTube video.  Someone should nudge the powers that be that he should garner at least a +5 adjustment! Wink

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