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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:57 pm

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Can we hope this is Frank' last Laf-Lehigh game?

I'm praying for a Tuesday Luncheon where we don't hear the same old bull****. Announce it already Frank.

Grow a set and let these team out of the grips of you collecting a check and hanging out in your office.

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:10 pm

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New rule:  No offensive linemen over 270.  This 300 lb stuff is crazy.  These guys can't move.

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:14 pm

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I hope he announces he's out so we have reason to cheer post-Lehigh game... we know it won't be from the score...

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:30 pm

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I just don't see any justification to keep him.

Incompetent Recruiter
Incompetent Game Manager
Incompetent Play Caller (Even though he doesn't call them)
Incompetent Leader of Men (Players & Fellow Coaches)

He can manage and produce some money, mainly one big donor. Other than that he is losing the younger alums who don't come back.

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:32 pm

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Thank goodness we now have a consulting firm to help get us out of this mess????

I was starting to think this was going to last forever.


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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:26 pm

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pardfan wrote:
Thank goodness we now have a consulting firm to help get us out of this mess.

I was starting to think this was going to last forever.
1 more game announcement on monday.
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:27 pm

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As each week passes it seems more unlikely that Frank will announce a retirement.  No matter what he says he loves the attention, and would announce before Lehigh so he gets attention.  I think he is expecting to be back next year. Will Bruce and his bosses pull the trigger?  Has his fate already been decide, or do we need to wait for the full consultant report?  Do we bring Frank and his entire staff back for guaranteed losing season 8 in a row?  Maybe we want to go for 10!

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:33 pm

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We may have seen the last of Tom Gilmore at Holy Cross.  The saders played Fordham at Yankee Stadium today, and were down 40-7 at halftime.

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:54 pm

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I have little doubt we will see Frank next year on the sidelines.

I'm only going to the Lehigh game out of tradition. Game will be uncompetitive by halftime.

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:02 pm

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Attendance at Yankee Stadium today:
21,375.
One team in the city. The other connected by Amtrak (about a four-hour trip not counting getting to Boston, about another hour).
With that, about 40 percent of the crowd of 150.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:17 am

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FWIW     Chicago Bears are 2-6   and have given up 79 points in 4th quarter while scoring 30 (worst performance in NFL)  

When I heard that I thought I should check our record
We are 2-8     with 84  against and 35 for in 4th quarter

NFL (I'm not a fan) is a different game.  Tons of "back-door covers" (never heard that term 'til this a.m.)   A team like the Lions has won five games where they were behind with 90 seconds to go.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:25 am

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pardfan wrote:
FWIW Chicago Bears are 2-6 and have given up 79 points in 4th quarter while scoring 30 (worst performance in NFL)

When I heard that I thought I should check our record
We are 2-8 with 84 against and 35 for in 4th quarter

NFL (I'm not a fan) is a different game. Tons of "back-door covers" (never heard that term 'til this a.m.) A team like the Lions has won five games where they were behind with 90 seconds to go.


We are usually already way behind by her time the 4th quarter starts!

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:31 am

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If Frank is being "retired" it has to be done quickly and a new coach found to not lose a year of recruiting to the extent possible.We are already years behind he rest of the league plus some players may leave and need to be replaced.There are a lot of guys on the bench we have not seen who might be as good as their press.We want to hold as many players who are competent as possible.A new coach will bring in his own players as well.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:52 am

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The "Three Amigos" must go.  Bruce, Fran, and Frank.  A partial fix won't do; and, as 68er (basically) just said, time is precious.  MBB and FB will be harder to fix the longer we wait.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:52 am

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Reality check fellas.  This is Lafayette and if you think someone from outside of the program will be brought in to resurrect the program, you haven't been paying attention.  Hell, Frank isn't going anywhere either.

As much as everyone connected to the program knows now important cleaning house would be, it's not how Lafayette works. Hence the systemic losing.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:19 pm

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edge29 wrote:
Reality check fellas. This is Lafayette and if you think someone from outside of the program will be brought in to resurrect the program, you haven't been paying attention. Hell, Frank isn't going anywhere either.

As much as everyone connected to the program knows now important cleaning house would be, it's not how Lafayette works. Hence the systemic losing.


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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:36 pm

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Lafalum wrote:
edge29 wrote:
Reality check fellas. This is Lafayette and if you think someone from outside of the program will be brought in to resurrect the program, you haven't been paying attention. Hell, Frank isn't going anywhere either.

As much as everyone connected to the program knows now important cleaning house would be, it's not how Lafayette works. Hence the systemic losing.


Anything less will effect donations...bank on it!!


I hope you're right!

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:14 pm

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That attendance figure for Yankee Stadium seems low, and if true, embarrassing. A NY area team and a team I thought had at least regional appeal and certainly name recognition. The Lehigh Lafayette game of 2014 was a terrific tribute to those two programs.

On coach Tavani: it's sad to see what is happening. The program seems right back where it was in 1998-99, except with better facilities. But before the roof collapses on him, and fully understanding that football is a marquee sport, the fact that all Leopard teams are struggling mightily portends something much, much deeper. If it was only football, that would be one thing. The fact that this is a college-wide failure means replacing one head coach or even the entire staff may not have the effect most are looking for.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:38 pm

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artanis wrote:
That attendance figure for Yankee Stadium seems low, and if true, embarrassing. A NY area team and a team I thought had at least regional appeal and certainly name recognition. The Lehigh Lafayette game of 2014 was a terrific tribute to those two programs.

On coach Tavani: it's sad to see what is happening. The program seems right back where it was in 1998-99, except with better facilities. But before the roof collapses on him, and fully understanding that football is a marquee sport, the fact that all Leopard teams are struggling mightily portends something much, much deeper. If it was only football, that would be one thing. The fact that this is a college-wide failure means replacing one head coach or even the entire staff may not have the effect most are looking for.


Several of our sports have no chance.  Several sports have funding and facilities that are better than the league mean, and that would certainly include football.  The rest of the department is irrelevant if your sport is properly funded.  Wofford for example is solid every year in football, and usually pretty dreadful in other sports. If there is department malaise it is at least pretty well attributed to very poor coaching situations is several sports, and a complete inability to make any changes.  WBB will be an interesting study.  We have a coach there that is certainly competent, we all know she is, and she still has the fire to win by all accounts.  If she can't make significant progress in the next 2-3 years, then who knows who can.

Football specifically is different.  At this point an average head coach and staff will help the program greatly.  An above average coach and staff, and this program can contend again in short order.  Frank and his staff are incapable of producing a winning team.  Every day we keep this all in place, it just kicking the can down the road another day, month or year, and there will be no improvement.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:44 pm

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^
off base again, per usual.

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