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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:08 pm

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Beating Fordham in the title year was huge.


Haha I reread it fixing it up before I saw your post and then amended it to include that stunner BP!

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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:33 pm

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I hate to point this out, because I really want to believe in the this new study under a new president, but I just saw that LafAlumn cited an April 15th target completion date for the study from the webcast this week. If the consultant won't finish the study until the end of the spring semester there won't be any changes made until at least the summer of 2017. And no AD or president is crazy enough to fire a coaching staff in the summer, 2 months before camp starts.

Unless Frank is already planning on "retiring" the timing of the study makes it look like we have another year with this same staff. And if Frank is retiring, how do you hire a new coach and staff while this study is going on?


Your logic is of course correct.ff

I am hoping that while the study won't be completed for 6 months, some immediate recommendations may be shared earlier. Like you need a new football coach. Since we are fond of consultants, perhaps we can use a search firm or hire an outside party to help with the search. Probably wishful thinking, but one scenario that is technically possible. But overall I agree that it appears we will see Frank again in 2017. Pretty much no other school in the country, at any level, would put up with this.


Most AD's have several sports agents that represent coaches on speed dial. Though I doubt we do. But even lower level coaches have agents. Bruce should have or know of a network of agents and coaches if he is on top of things.

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:36 am

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flyfisher wrote:
Most AD's have several sports agents that represent coaches on speed dial. Though I doubt we do. But even lower level coaches have agents. Bruce should have or know of a network of agents and coaches if he is on top of things.


HA! I can almost guarantee that Bruce doesn't even know who Mickey Fein's agent is. Neither Frank or Bruce have any connections to other coaches, ADs, schools... nothing. Frank has not been the annual AFCA convention in 20 years and I don't think Bruce has ever been.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:58 am

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Am I the only one that keeps forgetting we have a game this weekend?

This will be my 29th - and I've never been less enthused. Maybe I'll wake up Saturday with a surge of maroon adrenaline. But man here it is Thursday and I'm just...done...
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:04 am

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The Maroon wrote:
Am I the only one that keeps forgetting we have a game this weekend?

This will be my 29th - and I've never been less enthused. Maybe I'll wake up Saturday with a surge of maroon adrenaline. But man here it is Thursday and I'm just...done...


Based on the number of other posts, you are not alone. It is a fait accompli.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:22 pm

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The Maroon wrote:
Am I the only one that keeps forgetting we have a game this weekend?



This will be my 29th - and I've never been less enthused. Maybe I'll wake up Saturday with a surge of maroon adrenaline. But man here it is Thursday and I'm just...done...


Will be at the game with my son, cause that's a tradition, but:

Lost all interest when the team had no interest in beating a Holy Cross team which had done much damage to our seasons in recent past.

Head coach seems lost in space. "It is what it is;" The kids graduate;" and, now, "They practice hard" ($60,000 a year and they practice hard. Awesome!). Whatever...  Revelations here and elsewhere as to his "leadership" cause serious concern.

Played the cheerleader role early on, posted on AGS my thoughts that we had the best OL personnel in years, weapons all over the field and a superior DL. I'm embarrassed. And DONE. Please stop calling/emailing for a donation. Maybe next year...

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:41 pm

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I just saw the college put out a puff piece on how Draeland James is now ready for life AFTER Lafayette because of some internship...at Cintas...I would argue that Draeland would have had a similar experience at any PL school - and he probably would have won a few more games.
I think we're all tired of the narrative that insinuates our athletes are somehow being "saved" through their association with Lafayette. It's an insult to the athletes who had to show a good deal of self-discipline and intelligence to even get into Lafayette.
Yes - we have great kids and they graduate! That's a D3 mantra...We're supposed to place some emphasis on WINNING...

Actually - they try to win in D3 too.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:12 pm

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LeopardBall10 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Most AD's have several sports agents that represent coaches on speed dial. Though I doubt we do. But even lower level coaches have agents. Bruce should have or know of a network of agents and coaches if he is on top of things.


HA! I can almost guarantee that Bruce doesn't even know who Mickey Fein's agent is. Neither Frank or Bruce have any connections to other coaches, ADs, schools... nothing. Frank has not been the annual AFCA convention in 20 years and I don't think Bruce has ever been.


If true this is true it is very sad We should always attend the annual coaches convention and so should Bruce as AD.

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:33 pm

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The Maroon wrote:
Am I the only one that keeps forgetting we have a game this weekend?

This will be my 29th - and I've never been less enthused. Maybe I'll wake up Saturday with a surge of maroon adrenaline. But man here it is Thursday and I'm just...done...


My 37th and agreed. Just cant get into it at all. If Frank were going to resign I would assume he would do it before Lehigh game a la his mentor, Bill Russo, in 1999.

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:36 pm

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The Maroon wrote:
I just saw the college put out a puff piece on how Draeland James is now ready for life AFTER Lafayette because of some internship...at Cintas...I would argue that Draeland would have had a similar experience at any PL school - and he probably would have won a few more games.
I think we're all tired of the narrative that insinuates our athletes are somehow being "saved" through their association with Lafayette. It's an insult to the athletes who had to show a good deal of self-discipline and intelligence to even get into Lafayette.
Yes - we have great kids and they graduate! That's a D3 mantra...We're supposed to place some emphasis on WINNING...

Actually - they try to win in D3 too.


This is where I really get pissed. So now the College is going to claim credit for preparing Draeland for a sales job a Cintas selling floor mats and soap cleaners to industrial and commercial sites. Granted, their management makes 150-200 k once you get up the ladder but please dont try to sell me that LC prepared him for a janitorial sales job. I know Draeland well. He will achieve much more and it isn't because of LC football. He could have gotten this educational n several places and he could get a sales job at Cintas from almost any college. Some of the Cintas guys that call on my plants didn't even go to college.

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:15 pm

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flyfisher wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
I just saw the college put out a puff piece on how Draeland James is now ready for life AFTER Lafayette because of some internship...at Cintas...I would argue that Draeland would have had a similar experience at any PL school - and he probably would have won a few more games.
I think we're all tired of the narrative that insinuates our athletes are somehow being "saved" through their association with Lafayette. It's an insult to the athletes who had to show a good deal of self-discipline and intelligence to even get into Lafayette.
Yes - we have great kids and they graduate! That's a D3 mantra...We're supposed to place some emphasis on WINNING...

Actually - they try to win in D3 too.


This is where I really get pissed. So now the College is going to claim credit for preparing Draeland for a sales job a Cintas selling floor mats and soap cleaners to industrial and commercial sites. Granted, their management makes 150-200 k once you get up the ladder but please dont try to sell me that LC prepared him for a janitorial sales job. I know Draeland well. He will achieve much more and it isn't because of LC football. He could have gotten this educational n several places and he could get a sales job at Cintas from almost any college. Some of the Cintas guys that call on my plants didn't even go to college.


Too funny. You have got to be kidding me.

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:16 pm

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If you follow the way the college takes credit for everything and how they make everything about them... this shouldn't be surprising.

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:48 pm

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I leave on a long trip to Easton tomorrow morning.  Will meet about 15 other family members to watch my grandson's last game.  I have been watching this kid proudly from the stands, along with other family, since he started in PeeWee football many years ago.  Anyone that has played a sport, or that has rooted for a loved one playing a sport, must recognize the bitter sweetness of watching one's sporting career coming to an end.  And yet, I know that Lafayette College and Lafayette football have provided Collin a springboard for success in his life after football.  Collin has certainly taken advantage of the path provided for him at LC.
So best of luck to you Collin - and to your buddies, like Draeland and many others, Saturday.
I will miss seeing Collin's friends and fellow players; I will miss joking with the parents before and after  games; I will miss rubbing shoulders with LC alumni; and the Lafayette Inn, Fisher Stadium, the campus, Giacomo's.
I will be watching the Leopards in the future, because I am hooked on LC football.
Best of luck to the Leopards - on Saturday and long after!

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:29 pm

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[quote="ELB:57852"]I leave on a long trip to Easton tomorrow morning. Will meet about 15 other family members to watch my grandson's last game. I have been watching this kid proudly from the stands, along with other family, since he started in PeeWee football many years ago. Anyone that has played a sport, or that has rooted for a loved one playing a sport, must recognize the bitter sweetness of watching one's sporting career coming to an end. And yet, I know that Lafayette College and Lafayette football have provided Collin a springboard for success in his life after football. Collin has certainly taken advantage of the path provided for him at LC.
So best of luck to you Collin - and to your buddies, like Draeland and many others, Saturday.
I will miss seeing Collin's friends and fellow players; I will miss joking with the parents before and after games; I will miss rubbing shoulders with LC alumni; and the Lafayette Inn, Fisher Stadium, the campus, Giacomo's.
I will be watching the Leopards in the future, because I am hooked on LC football.
Best of luck to the Leopards - on Saturday and long after![/quot

Thanks for the positive message and congratulations to your grandson.

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:25 pm

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ELB see you Friday. Sorry i could not be there tonight. Give him a hug for me. To your post above, the boys will leave with good degrees and some lasting friendships. i wish the football could have been different.

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:15 am

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Surprised at the negative reaction to the piece on Draeland.  College taking credit?  I dont see it that way, but you guys are a lot closer to the situation than I.  Great young man from a supportive family comes north, kills it academically in a double major, earns an internship from a football alum, impresses and comes away with a management trainee offer.   Congrats to Draeland and his family. Well done!

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:37 am

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Collin so poised, eloquent on Tuesday.  Talking about the challenge and going to battle with his friends one more time.  In my view a player who has progressed every year.  When a fan gets down and fed up with some things as they are, it's a quality young man like Collin that'll draw you back in.

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:03 am

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flyfisher wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
I just saw the college put out a puff piece on how Draeland James is now ready for life AFTER Lafayette because of some internship...at Cintas...I would argue that Draeland would have had a similar experience at any PL school - and he probably would have won a few more games.
I think we're all tired of the narrative that insinuates our athletes are somehow being "saved" through their association with Lafayette. It's an insult to the athletes who had to show a good deal of self-discipline and intelligence to even get into Lafayette.
Yes - we have great kids and they graduate! That's a D3 mantra...We're supposed to place some emphasis on WINNING...

Actually - they try to win in D3 too.


This is where I really get pissed. So now the College is going to claim credit for preparing Draeland for a sales job a Cintas selling floor mats and soap cleaners to industrial and commercial sites. Granted, their management makes 150-200 k once you get up the ladder but please dont try to sell me that LC prepared him for a janitorial sales job. I know Draeland well. He will achieve much more and it isn't because of LC football. He could have gotten this educational n several places and he could get a sales job at Cintas from almost any college. Some of the Cintas guys that call on my plants didn't even go to college.



There are going to be a lot of forks in the road for Draeland and the others. The trick is to get on the road. If uhnw is one's objective, it can be done from starting anywhere--including $5/hr (1971 $). The important thing is to be doing what you enjoy. Picking up sales skills at this age is critically important. Good luck to the young man.

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:49 am

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I guess this qualifies as the pregame thread.

The ET put together one of those damn scrolling picture stories that have become a mainstay in journalism these days. It's not entirely void of useful info but it's close.

How about "TAVANI'S LAST GAME?" as a substory?

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/s...eys_to_lehigh_at_lafayette.html#0
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:34 am

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Really now ... Draeland got a job with an S&P 500 company with a $12 billion market value that employs 35,000 people and operates worldwide.
That first corporate job is important. The product may be mundane, but so are French fries. There is a lot of money in French fries, and in uniforms.
There's nothing bad about this.

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