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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:57 pm

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The consulting firm will be Inter-Collegiate Athletic Consulting

The committee will be chaired by Annette Diorio

members:
Dennis Bohn: head coach soccer
Roger Demareski: VP for finance and administration
Theresa Grentz: head coach of women's basketball
Jeffery Helm: Associate prof of mechanical engineering and chair Faculty Academic Policy Committee
Hal Kamine '79 trustee
Cindy Linville '80 president of the Maroon Club
Bruce McCutcheon director of Athletics
Elizabeth MacDonald '81 Chair of BOT Committee on Student Life
Greg MacDonald vice president for enrollment
Kaity McKittrick deputy director of athletics
Fran Mustaro '72 chair friends of football
Anna Ptasinski "18 SAAC and women's basketball player
Kim Spang Vp development
David Stifel prof of economics and NCAA Faculty Rep

any comments??


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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:06 pm

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That's a real committee. Good to see Kamine and Mustaro and Linville on board.

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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:10 pm

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Pard4Life wrote:
That's a real committee. Good to see Kamine and Mustaro and Linville on board.
This committee is rigged it's top heavy with sports lovers Wink
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:34 pm

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I like the committee.
I never heard of these guys but I wouldn't be likely to:

http://www.icac.us

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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:13 pm

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Pard4Life wrote:
That's a real committee. Good to see Kamine and Mustaro and Linville on board.


Good news, bad news.

Good news, I like the 3 above also. Alumni that see the value in successful sports programs

Bad news, the rest are of the committee is full of LC faculty and AD, asst AD, and current coaches. This seems like a situation where the fireman is also the arsonist. Hopefully it works out


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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:56 pm

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flyfisher wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
That's a real committee. Good to see Kamine and Mustaro and Linville on board.


Good news, bad news.

Good news, I like the 3 above also. Alumni that see the value in successful spurts programs

Bad news, the rest are of the committee is full of LC faculty and AD, asst AD, and current coaches. This seems like a situation where the fireman is alsomthe arsonist. Hopefully it works out


Just curious fly: why is it bad to have the AD, Asst AD and coaches on the group?  I assume they want to win.  My question is why is Diorio the chairman (woman, person???- I don't know how to be politically correct).

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:31 am

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I am fine with our side of the Committee - who is the consultant?

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:56 am

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ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
That's a real committee. Good to see Kamine and Mustaro and Linville on board.


Good news, bad news.

Good news, I like the 3 above also. Alumni that see the value in successful spurts programs

Bad news, the rest are of the committee is full of LC faculty and AD, asst AD, and current coaches. This seems like a situation where the fireman is alsomthe arsonist. Hopefully it works out


Just curious fly: why is it bad to have the AD, Asst AD and coaches on the group? I assume they want to win. My question is why is Diorio the chairman (woman, person???- I don't know how to be politically correct).


Dioro is the Vp for student life and the Athletic Dept reports to her.

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:43 am

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That looks like a good group to me. I understand Fly's concern about having the AD and Assoc. on the committee, but I think that is a must. Madame President stated that she hired the consultant and created the committee because she was not familiar with D1 athletics. It only makes sense to include the most senior members of those who should know. And if they don't know then it is the consultants job to point that out.

But it is also important to note that the coaches who are included are not the long tenured coaches with the most clout. No Fran or Frank, instead they included young basketball and soccer coaches who have only been on staff for a few years. They also included a student, which I think is highly important.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:10 am

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Theresa will speak her mind and has experience outside of Lafayette which will give the committee perspective. Dennis has, 16 years at Lafayette.

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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:32 pm

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Lafalum wrote:
Theresa will speak her mind and has experience outside of Lafayette which will give the committee perspective. Dennis has, 16 years at Lafayette.


My fault, somewhere I mixed up a bio...
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:45 pm

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Lafalum wrote:
The consulting firm will be Inter-Collegiate Athletic Consulting

The committee will be chaired by Annette Diorio

members:
Dennis Bohn: head coach soccer
Roger Demareski: VP for finance and administration
Theresa Grentz: head coach of women's basketball
Jeffery Helm: Associate prof of mechanical engineering and chair Faculty Academic Policy Committee
Hal Kamine '79 trustee
Cindy Linville '80 president of the Maroon Club
Bruce McCutcheon director of Athletics
Elizabeth MacDonald '81 Chair of BOT Committee on Student Life
Greg MacDonald vice president for enrollment
Kaity McKittrick deputy director of athletics
Fran Mustaro '72 chair friends of football
Anna Ptasinski "18 SAAC and women's basketball player
Kim Spang Vp development
David Stifel prof of economics and NCAA Faculty Rep

any comments??



Yeah, how were these people picked and by who?
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:15 pm

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ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
That's a real committee. Good to see Kamine and Mustaro and Linville on board.


Good news, bad news.

Good news, I like the 3 above also. Alumni that see the value in successful sports programs

Bad news, the rest are of the committee is full of LC faculty and AD, asst AD, and current coaches. This seems like a situation where the fireman is also the arsonist. Hopefully it works out


Just curious fly: why is it bad to have the AD, Asst AD and coaches on the group? I assume they want to win. My question is why is Diorio the chairman (woman, person???- I don't know how to be politically correct).

Can they be objective? They could be part of the problem. I didn't think Diorio was on there but would be surprised if she wasn't. Just my thoughts.

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:53 am

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It's going to be difficult for any/all of these folks to separate their personal agenda and more so their relationships from making recommendations that are specific and not watered down pablum. At least beyond "spend more money".

I really think they are going to want (or should want) the neck for hire (consultant) to point at specific turds in the punchbowl and say "fix this or that". So again, if we got that  selection right and they are empowered we have a far better chance of an outcome that befits the college.

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:55 am

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seenalot wrote:
It's going to be difficult for any/all of these folks to separate their personal agenda and more so their relationships from making recommendations that are specific and not watered down pablum. At least beyond "spend more money".

I really think they are going to want (or should want) the neck for hire (consultant) to point at specific turds in the punchbowl and say "fix this or that". So again, if we got that selection right and they are empowered we have a far better chance of an outcome that befits the college.


I would hope the president herself sits down one on one with the consultant to get an unencumbered view of things. I agree some of the problems may be in the room. First up, in my opinion, the AD should report to the president. That is the model in the league and virtually all of Div one.
Second I would hope they would go beyond the confines of the committee for opinions and answers or else this will be a waste of time. This is truly our last chance to fix this. If it isn't done right the losing template is welded in for years to come.

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:00 pm

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seenalot wrote:
It's going to be difficult for any/all of these folks to separate their personal agenda and more so their relationships from making recommendations that are specific and not watered down pablum. At least beyond "spend more money".

I really think they are going to want (or should want) the neck for hire (consultant) to point at specific turds in the punchbowl and say "fix this or that". So again, if we got that selection right and they are empowered we have a far better chance of an outcome that befits the college.


Question #1: Why is a person with a background in residence life/diversity officer heading your athletic dept and study committee? A gift from Weiss I assume.  We are the laughing stock in FCS.  Sarah Lawrence lost by 70 to NJIT. I'm telling you, our administrators would be a perfect fit there.

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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:07 am

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Anette and Bruce have a vested interest in the status quo. Bruce has told new hire coaches that they will "never have to worry about getting fired at Lafayette." Anette has been on record as saying she does not feel coaches should be fired. She knows nothing about athletics, nothing. And we are to believe that what will be coming out of this fiasco?

We really needed a consultant and committee when Captain Obvious could have come on by and told us to:

1)Pay our coaches and their assistants a decent/competitive wage.

2)Have the AD report directly to the President or College development who are most answerable to and not insulated from the alums.

3)Put a shelf life on failure. While Lafayette does not need to or should it fire coaches the second they fail, surely there is some limit. Performance based metrics need to extend beyond graduation rates and into wins and losses.

Given that these changes involve stripping Amette of her current responsibility I ask the question, can she be trusted to chair a committee that might reach that conclusion. Could it possibly with her as chair? What changes can we really expect from a committee that is infiltrated by those looking to cover for their horrid performances and justify their existences?  Why not put 3-19 Frank Tavani on there so we can exonerate him of any blame for the football program.  I mean, cut out Anette and Bruce, his middle people.

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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:18 pm

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Why don't we just drop all sports programs and see who exactly would like to apply to such a place? Ugh!
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:33 pm

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Jpao92 wrote:
Anette and Bruce have a vested interest in the status quo. Bruce has told new hire coaches that they will "never have to worry about getting fired at Lafayette." Anette has been on record as saying she does not feel coaches should be fired. She knows nothing about athletics, nothing. And we are to believe that what will be coming out of this fiasco?


Good God!  Putting her in charge of athletics had to be nothing short of a planned destruction of the dept.  Is it their 150 year tradition to ruin?

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bethlehempard wrote:
I never heard of these guys but I wouldn't be likely to:

http://www.icac.us


InterCollegiate Athletic Consulting (ICAC) showcases two featured "projects" on its website. The first is a study for Towson University to "move its athletic program to Division I-A, following a move to Division I-AA," including "expansion of stadium seating from 6,000 to 15,000."

That didn't happen.

The second featured study is for the University of Scranton to facilitate a "move to Division I and a conference like the Patriot League."

That didn't happen either.

So who are these people, and what results have they shown for the money they're paid? Are they in the business of persuading already-recalcitrant trustee boards not to do stuff?

Maybe we should just be doubly and triply thankful that Lafayette didn't decide to hire these folks instead:

http://www.thepictorgroup.com Wink

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