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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:41 am

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killaBee wrote:
Why not Les Miles LSU, Mark Helfrich, Oregan, Charlie Strong, Texas?

Why Not Andy or John Loose ...............   Blake Costanzo?  If I am correct Rutgers Univ. considered him..

Whom ever it is, is the culture ready to win?  Its 2016 and we have not grown into the era of a dual threat QB.

I hope the the study will consider paying the prevailing wage for experience and expertise.  Do we even have the resources to do so?

Are we willing to allow transfers?  Are we willing to take a chance on kids who maybe on the cusps of admissions.  

Do we want the same kind of kids who attend NDS or Sam Houston State?  Can we not let the front page get a hold of some of the kids actions?

Are we willing to have a fast turnover in our coaches? Are we willing to allow recruiting be a priority for a coach staying and leaving?  

There are many more variables....  I looked over the last 121 years of Lafayette Football and we are  62 - 59.  

What exactly do we want?

My vote is ANDY.....


Great comments Killa. Are we willing to make sme of these exceptions?

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:42 am

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flyfisher wrote:


Bingo.

This is the detail to be worked out. franks settlement.


If his contract really did end in 2016, but there is a clause that he needs a 1 year heads up that it will not be renewed I want that contract. That is not standard by any means.

But a settlement dispute is different than the coaching search. From what I hear the staff was pulled off the road by Frank right before the news hit the scoop. They had no idea this was coming. They also hadn't received word about their individual statuses last I checked.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:16 am

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LeopardBall10 wrote:
Andy wrote:
President Alison Byerly wrote in an email that a press release from the college “on this subject” would be released tomorrow.///


I wait with baited breath.

With regards to Fly's comments, this worries me.

"it looks like this happens but some details to work out."

What does that mean? because I will tell you right now, when this type of change is typically made there are only two options. Either 1) the HC is gone immediately and the assistants are asked to stay on and continue recruiting while the new HC is hired. They then are guaranteed an interview for their job or 2) Everyone is gone immediately and the new HC brings in his own people. Outside of that I can't imagine what needs to be worked out?

As per usual I agree with Lafalumn, we'll see how committed we are to change with the candidates. Any serious outside candidate is going to have a big ask not just for the HC salary but also for an increased assistant pool. And we have already seen the athletic department pass on top candidates before when the candidate wouldn't accept the given salary range.

And nothing agains Killa but Blake just isn't in the right positionto even be in the conversation. I love Blake and I think that he is probably the better coach/understands more about football than Partridge. But he just hasn't been a coach at any level above HS, ever. You may be able to swing him as a coordinator if you really knew him well, but as a Head Coach... just not feasible.



Unless they have an immediate hire ready, the assistant coaches will stay on until further notice.   They continue recruiting, offseason workouts, admin duties, etc.    It is best for the current players, current recruits and the coaches (especially since it keeps them in the circles they need to be in to land their next job).

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:19 am

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First, I, as an alumnus of Lafayette, would like to thank Coach Tavani for his service to the school.  While the results in the last two seasons have not been what all of us would have wanted, Mr. Tavani has demonstrated great character and integrity in representing both the program and the school for the last 17 seasons.  I wish him all the health and happiness in all his future endeavors.

This is a change that needed to be made.  Frankly, the football program is in a death spiral. Why would any recruits come here after the effort put forth in the HC game during homecoming?  Why would players on the current roster stay in a program in which there is no personal improvement, and losing is the accepted norm?

Finally, is this the first domino to fall?  Is this a shot across the bow for other coaches in the athletic department?  Does this mean that Lafayette is finally moving away from the concept that once you are hired as a coach that you have tenure for life despite poor results?  Will the athletic department finally become something more than a glorified extracurricular offering?  My guess is that only the study on the athletic department can provide the answers.  This potential cultural change goes to the heart of what we are, and where we want to go.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:21 am

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flyfisher wrote:
Andy wrote:
Not one word from The Call.

Michael Keating
The Lafayette:

......Tavani announced in a meeting with his players that he will not return next year for the Leopards.

Sources also said that Tavani, whose contract expired at the end of the 2016 season, said he plans to take a buyout before next season, because the college did not give him a year’s notice that his contract would not be renewed.

President Alison Byerly wrote in an email that a press release from the college “on this subject” would be released tomorrow.///


Bingo.

This is the detail to be worked out. franks settlement.


"he plans to take a buyout before next season" - doesn't sound like Frank is cleaning out his office just yet, which is what you were getting at, I guess, fly.  Keep those checks coming to the last minute...

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:32 am

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PardDad71 wrote:


Unless they have an immediate hire ready, the assistant coaches will stay on until further notice.   They continue recruiting, offseason workouts, admin duties, etc.    It is best for the current players, current recruits and the coaches (especially since it keeps them in the circles they need to be in to land their next job).


Definitly better for the players and recruits, but can put the coaches in a bind. Most of the vacancies at this level will be filled before the middle of January. If they are waiting around to see who gets hired it can put them behind the 8 ball for a job leading into next season. You also have a large portion of the staff who will need to sell a house, etc. if they are not being retained. None of these coaches will get severance, etc. other than Frank. He is the one with the contract. The assistants get screwed here. They have to find the next position fast.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:37 am

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killaBee wrote:
Whom ever it is, is the culture ready to win?  Its 2016 and we have not grown into the era of a dual threat QB.


We won 3 championships and 26 PL games over a 6 year span with dual-threat QBs (Maurer/Curley). We then moved to QB recruiting under Coach Fein. Eventually we seemed to stumble onto Reed (escapability but not really a running threat) who unfortunately timed up with the Clayton era at OL. The kid from Maine is still an unknown quantity, with Shoop-like label of "not grasping the offense" from what I've been told. I hope he becomes all league....  Let's face it, it's all about the QB in this league.

Hope the rehab is going well. Think of him often as his pics are stuck all  over my refrigerator. Smile

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:43 am

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Andy your comments are exactly why I don't think Mickey (despite being named interim) is the right HC candidate.  I don't think kids have generally improved under him or Stan C.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:54 am

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seenalot wrote:
Andy your comments are exactly why I don't think Mickey (despite being named interim) is the right HC candidate.  I don't think kids have generally improved under him or Stan C.


Hah, hadn't seen (pun intended) the "interim" pronouncement. Thanks, here's the  Call article (9:40 am):

http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/

Colgate knows exactly what they need at QB, cookie-cutter for their niche O; Gilmore brings in studs, a 6-6, highly touted guy incoming; LU gets guys for their now modified "air-Lehigh."  Under Fein we've been all over the lot, questionable quality and a take what we can get approach. Seems to me, but, in all sincerity, what the heck do I know..


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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:58 am

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seenalot wrote:
Andy your comments are exactly why I don't think Mickey (despite being named interim) is the right HC candidate.  I don't think kids have generally improved under him or Stan C.


Agree, I don't think there is anyway you can keep the 3 main guys in Fein, Link and Clayton.  I am more than willing to accept that they are much better coaches than the last few years may indicate, but it just isn't working.  

Perhaps retaining a few solid younger guys like Dell or coach Phil would make sense for current relationships, but we need to move on.  Also I don't think we make the bold move (for Lafayette) of firing Frank, only to hire someone on staff to proceed almost the same as before.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:59 am

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Andy wrote:
killaBee wrote:
Whom ever it is, is the culture ready to win?  Its 2016 and we have not grown into the era of a dual threat QB.


We won 3 championships and 26 PL games over a 6 year span with dual-threat QBs (Maurer/Curley). We then moved to QB recruiting under Coach Fein. Eventually we seemed to stumble onto Reed (escapability but not really a running threat) who unfortunately timed up with the Clayton era at OL. The kid from Maine is still an unknown quantity, with Shoop-like label of "not grasping the offense" from what I've been told. I hope he becomes all league....  Let's face it, it's all about the QB in this league.

Hope the rehab is going well. Think of him often as his pics are stuck all  over my refrigerator. Smile


Thank you Andy for asking he is on course to return.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:13 am

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Finally, from The College:

http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/113016aaa.html

The Call's "A national search for Tavani's replacement will begin immediately."  Brings a smile and a "yeah, right."...

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:40 am

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Based on the release, it does not appear that LC had a new HC waiting in the wings. We now probably will enter several months of uncertainty as candidates are identified, interviewed etc.

In the interim, we can probably expect members of the coaching staff immediately to seek new jobs and likely to resign as jobs are found. Due to the uncertainty, the current recruiting class is now  up in the air. We can expect transfer requests from members of the freshman and sophomore classes, who want to explore options in the climate of uncertainty.

It is now in the hands of the AD. Who is hired as HC will say a ton about our future direction. Any top candidate will require a big commit from LC in terms of support in terms of recruiting, hiring top assistants etc. Hope that we go that route.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:45 am

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LeopardBall10 wrote:
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Bingo.

This is the detail to be worked out. franks settlement.


If his contract really did end in 2016, but there is a clause that he needs a 1 year heads up that it will not be renewed I want that contract. That is not standard by any means.

But a settlement dispute is different than the coaching search. From what I hear the staff was pulled off the road by Frank right before the news hit the scoop. They had no idea this was coming. They also hadn't received word about their individual statuses last I checked.


mostly correct. some coaches will have to be retained. they also need to be looking for jobs. to get some to stick around they need to know they have a job

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:50 am

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Based on the release, it does not appear that LC had a new HC waiting in the wings. We now probably will enter several months of uncertainty as candidates are identified, interviewed etc.

In the interim, we can probably expect members of the coaching staff immediately to seek new jobs and likely to resign as jobs are found. Due to the uncertainty, the current recruiting class is now  up in the air. We can expect transfer requests from members of the freshman and sophomore classes, who want to explore options in the climate of uncertainty.

It is now in the hands of the AD. Who is hired as HC will say a ton about our future direction. Any top candidate will require a big commit from LC in terms of support in terms of recruiting, hiring top assistants etc. Hope that we go that route.


can't take several months to find a coach. 2 months tops. I predict we don't lose many current players

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:55 am

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This is new for us, but I read that something like 19 FCS head coaching jobs changed hands last year.  I think 5 have been opened so far this year.  We should keep the vast majority of current players and recruits.  Yes, some may feel a bit of pain due to the transition, but we will be fine.

I think we will have a coach in 2-3 weeks as I believe we actually have a plan!

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:57 am

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zenator wrote:


It is now in the hands of the AD. Who is hired as HC will say a ton about our future direction. Any top candidate will require a big commit from LC in terms of support in terms of recruiting, hiring top assistants etc. Hope that we go that route.


Unless there is a change in the process, the AD will not make the decision Coaches have historically hired by committee. You will be surprised when you see who is on the committee.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:27 am

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NewXbo wrote:
zenator wrote:


It is now in the hands of the AD. Who is hired as HC will say a ton about our future direction. Any top candidate will require a big commit from LC in terms of support in terms of recruiting, hiring top assistants etc. Hope that we go that route.


Unless there is a change in the process, the AD will not make the decision Coaches have historically hired by committee. You will be surprised when you see who is on the committee.


I would guess no large long term supporters will be named, because they have in mind who they want. Without those supporters  the search has no credibility for me.

I am thinking there is a 60pct chance its Fein. That will not push me to open my wallet, or others!!!

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:30 am

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Don't tell me let me guess - the Dean of Diversity, the head of the faculty committee on retaining tenure, the Director of Plant Operations and the women Bruce reports to....all with a deep knowledge of coaching and what it takes to be successful in same.

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