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Who should be the next HC at LC?
Cramsey
23%
 23%  [ 8 ]
Loose
38%
 38%  [ 13 ]
Wroblewski
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Other
38%
 38%  [ 13 ]
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:53 pm

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Andy wrote:
XLeopard wrote:
Faragalli - in
Loose - in
Trox - in
K Clark - in
Wrobo - in
Hach - in
Heff - out
Partridge - hahahaha
Anyone on staff - out

If you have questions ask, I know more than you think.


Updates, XLep?


Nothing. Same guys are all still interested and Mickey is campaigning hard for the position. The rest of the staff is not in the office and are trying to prepare for their next steps.

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:50 pm

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Football alums from the 80's/90's era seem to be pushing hard for Trox, and that's understandable as he is one of their own.  I think more than a few of these guys have some influence and wonder how much Bruce will listen.  More recent alums seem to like Loose, but these guys are younger, and presumably have less sway.  Wonder who the big guns like Bourger and Fisher and others prefer.  I don't think anyone thinks we should promote from within.

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:19 pm

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Some players and players' parents want Fein. They think well of him and they fear change.
Considering everything, with all current players signing on as recruits to a losing program, they shouldn't have been too surprised by the end of the FT era.
We need to go outside of Lafayette and the Lafayette network.

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:42 pm

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The large donors are NOT being consulted!!

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:55 pm

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bethlehempard wrote:
Some players and players' parents want Fein. They think well of him and they fear change.
Considering everything, with all current players signing on as recruits to a losing program, they shouldn't have been too surprised by the end of the FT era.
We need to go outside of Lafayette and the Lafayette network.

They do like Fein but I don't think they fear change. Most embraced this change.Some coaches still around. Not much recruiting going on.

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:30 pm

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It would be a huge mistake to hire Fein. Many freshman and sophomores transfer out if he's hired. The players know that he isn't cut out to run a team especially if how he ran an offense is any indication of his skill. He's a walking contradiction.

I hope he's not hired or remains on staff bc he was a major contributor of our lack of success. The only reason I'd encourage my son to stay if he's hired is bc of the education but I'd hate for his college career be led by someone who doesn't have a strategic mind. Parents and student athletes should think long and hard if he's hired

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:25 am

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Franks Tanks wrote:
Football alums from the 80's/90's era seem to be pushing hard for Trox, and that's understandable as he is one of their own. I think more than a few of these guys have some influence and wonder how much Bruce will listen. More recent alums seem to like Loose, but these guys are younger, and presumably have less sway. Wonder who the big guns like Bourger and Fisher and others prefer. I don't think anyone thinks we should promote from within.


Lot of 90s alums pushing for Cramsey.  Local connections and massive offensive coordinator success everywhere.  Former starting QB at a big time FCS program.  From what I've read here Loose made the commitment to Army until they beat Navy.  I'm in the camp that Loose and Cramsey should be the primary candidates and I'm happy with either so here's hoping Cramsey is already interviewing and....GO ARMY BEAT NAVY!

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:54 am

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There are 253 total FBS and FCS programs. What are the chances of the best candidate, or even one of the 10 best, coming from any one school, particularly Lafayette, an undistinguished program?
Sticking with what is familiar is what got Lafayette into this position across the sports spectrum. Everything is a goddam mess.
Lafayette hasn't won 10 games in a season in 130 years, or nine games in 35 years, and the first instinct is to look for alumni and former coaches?
Based on what?

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:03 am

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bethlehempard wrote:
There are 253 total FBS and FCS programs. What are the chances of the best candidate, or even one of the 10 best, coming from any one school, particularly Lafayette, an undistinguished program?
Sticking with what is familiar is what got Lafayette into this position across the sports spectrum. Everything is a goddam mess.
Lafayette hasn't won 10 games in a season in 130 years, or nine games in 35 years, and the first instinct is to look for alumni and former coaches?
Based on what?


A couple of things really:
1. $$$$ - Sure you'd love for Lafayette to go after KC Keeler or Rocco or whoever but we can't afford to pay them enough
2. Administration support - Only a specific set of coaches are willing to deal with the deficiencies in our athletic commitment
3. Unique situation - Lafayette and the PL deal with specific issues that are not seen at the top FCS programs you want to hire someone who knows these issues and knows how to win in spite of them, or how to leverage them.
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:10 am

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# 3 is why someone like keeler will never come here, and never be recruited.   he got run out of Delaware because of the trash he was bringing in

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:38 pm

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LeopardBall10 wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
There are 253 total FBS and FCS programs. What are the chances of the best candidate, or even one of the 10 best, coming from any one school, particularly Lafayette, an undistinguished program?
Sticking with what is familiar is what got Lafayette into this position across the sports spectrum. Everything is a goddam mess.
Lafayette hasn't won 10 games in a season in 130 years, or nine games in 35 years, and the first instinct is to look for alumni and former coaches?
Based on what?


A couple of things really:
1. $$$$ - Sure you'd love for Lafayette to go after KC Keeler or Rocco or whoever but we can't afford to pay them enough
2. Administration support - Only a specific set of coaches are willing to deal with the deficiencies in our athletic commitment
3. Unique situation - Lafayette and the PL deal with specific issues that are not seen at the top FCS programs you want to hire someone who knows these issues and knows how to win in spite of them, or how to leverage them.


Two years ago Rocco at Richmond was making over 800k. Surely you are not talking about him.

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:41 pm

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Assuming the heir apparent is not presently working at Lafayette, it might be better to go with an up and coming young talent.

I get a big kick when people proffer that "we should find a coach who knows how to recruit with scholarships".

WHAT?

One would think that the real skill for collegiate recruiting is when you're in Division I and trying to compete with need-based grants. Think about it - you are basically saying no to a vast population of middle class, mid-income families with this model.

Merit scholarships have to make recruiting somewhat easier. A PL coach just needs to work with the AI and the red-shirt rule, but as other teams have shown, (LU, CU, FO), it can be done.
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:59 pm

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Assuming the heir apparent is not presently working at Lafayette, it might be better to go with an up and coming young talent.

I get a big kick when people proffer that "we should find a coach who knows how to recruit with scholarships".

WHAT?

One would think that the real skill for collegiate recruiting is when you're in Division I and trying to compete with need-based grants. Think about it - you are basically saying no to a vast population of middle class, mid-income families with this model.

Merit scholarships have to make recruiting somewhat easier. A PL coach just needs to work with the AI and the red-shirt rule, but as other teams have shown, (LU, CU, FO), it can be done.
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:07 pm

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artanis wrote:
Assuming the heir apparent is not presently working at Lafayette, it might be better to go with an up and coming young talent.

I get a big kick when people proffer that "we should find a coach who knows how to recruit with scholarships".

WHAT?

One would think that the real skill for collegiate recruiting is when you're in Division I and trying to compete with need-based grants. Think about it - you are basically saying no to a vast population of middle class, mid-income families with this model.

Merit scholarships have to make recruiting somewhat easier. A PL coach just needs to work with the AI and the red-shirt rule, but as other teams have shown, (LU, CU, FO), it can be done.


Just like LU lost to UNH by 40 and also Monmouth.  Could've done that in the need based aid days as well.  LU beat a bunch of Ivies and other PL squads, so yes knowing how to recruit and manage a limited roster.

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:07 pm

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Have heard that Cramsey has the inside track but no decisions made.

There are several freshman, who will transfer out regardless. Others have open mind, but heard that not a lot of player support for Fein, who is blamed for offensive woes.

Not surprisingly, the recruiting class is currently very small with 10-12 commits. Normally, this is the time of year that recruiting really goes hot and heavy, but, with the uncertain future, LC will likely have a hard time landing other top recruits as well as retaining current commits.

Would be great if there is an announcement soon with the new HC also retaining some of the popular members of the staff like McFadden.

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:28 pm

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zenator wrote:
Have heard that Cramsey has the inside track but no decisions made.


Would be a pleasant surprise for sure. But has anyone actually interviewed or even officially been approached by the school?
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:48 pm

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2016 Assistant Coach Salary Database:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

John Loose - $151,000
Tim Cramsey - $178,500
Chris Partridge - $350,000

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:54 pm

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Bogus Megapardus wrote:
2016 Assistant Coach Salary Database:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

John Loose - $151,000
Tim Cramsey - $178,500
Chris Partridge - $350,000


After bonuses Loose and Cramsey at very similar salaries (Loose $30k and Cramsey $7k)
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:22 pm

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I'm hearing on the board, so many different names...but the one name which hasn't been mentioned is coach link.  

For the most part the defense kept us in the games, and broke down from exhaustion in the 4th quarters.
Out of all the groups in player development, I'd say the linebacker group developed the most.
why not link?

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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:40 pm

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killaBee wrote:
I'm hearing on the board, so many different names...but the one name which hasn't been mentioned is coach link.

For the most part the defense kept us in the games, and broke down from exhaustion in the 4th quarters.
Out of all the groups in player development, I'd say the linebacker group developed the most.
why not link?


Maybe Cramsey comes in and he keeps Link on as DC.  Both were assistants at UNH.

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