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Who should be the next HC at LC?
Cramsey
23%
 23%  [ 8 ]
Loose
38%
 38%  [ 13 ]
Wroblewski
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Other
38%
 38%  [ 13 ]
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:36 pm

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yep, it's not just the losses but the process that got us there. the loss of Loose was tough. he was a leader in the program. there are other good coaches but Loose was a leader.

Was short on time Andy. My post in another thread explains in more detail. Try to see the players view. They have one shot to play in college. Alumni always have next year. You know that, you played the game. Unless you have a redshirt there are no do overs for the player. The alumni always has next year. Losing is part of the game but sometimes HOW you lose can make it even worse. The process you go through can make it worse, especially when so much of it is preventable. And if you are not careful that losing culture can permeate itself in other parts of your life. You have to find a way to block it out. For serious, committed athlete it can really drag you down. A serious athlete has a approach to not just their sport but to other aspects of their life. Structure, discipline, hard work, teamwork , commitment. When you don't see that in a major part of your life it can be frustrating. It's tough to tune it out and not let it become part of you. There are many things that go unsaid here but it's not just the losing, but how we lost. There are so many aspects in the program that are out of control. The good news is just about anyone they hire will clean some of this up.

My son will leave with a good education, some great friendships. And we are grateful for the education.  He is lucky that he has another year to finish out his career, take some classes for grad school or go ahead and enter grad school. Not every kid has that luxury. The Sunday after the Lehigh game we went out to eat and we're sitting with some other senior parents. A few were crying. We did not understand why until we asked and then we knew they felt the same way we did. They felt bad what their sons went through,  there career was over, and for the process they endured. Again, it's not always the losing but HOW you lose. Some don't care much, Simply grateful for the education and the chance to play. And we are grateful for the education and friendships. Some take it harder than others. I hope you understand that a kid or family wants more out of it than just a free education and some good friends. Everyone is not just a taker. You want to win, or at least be put in a situation to win.  Some not only want to win but want to have a process and everyone give an effort that competes for championships. Our program doesn't make that effort, or hasn't recently. I do think some of that will change.

Even though my son did not play this year, he was in every single practice and every meeting, even when he didn't have to. I can tell you he was the only one in his position that made that effort. It gave him a different view. He could see practice differently. When we would watch the game I would be surprised when something did not go well. He would explain it was like that in practice all week. We played like we practiced. Plays that didn't work in the game, also did not work in practice that week. Players that got beat in the game in a situation, also got beat in practice. It was just tough going into each game knowing you had little chance for success.

It's not so much bitterness as just it was painful.

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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:01 am

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flyfisher wrote:
It's not so much bitterness as just it was painful.


I am sorry to see commitment like this to leave. I understand how much of a commitment it takes to even show up to practice everyday, to work to get better, to care... I don't know your son but it sounds to me like we will be loosing someone with the attributes it will take to turn this program around. All the best, and if there is anything I can do to help please let me know.
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:30 am

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LeopardBall10 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
It's not so much bitterness as just it was painful.


I am sorry to see commitment like this to leave. I understand how much of a commitment it takes to even show up to practice everyday, to work to get better, to care... I don't know your son but it sounds to me like we will be loosing someone with the attributes it will take to turn this program around. All the best, and if there is anything I can do to help please let me know.


And therein lies the challenge for  the whole athletic department. That post should go to every member the BOT and the "Committee."

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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:41 am

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Like I said, he will leave with some good memories at LC. Some great friends and a good degree. And FWIW, they all say the professors are the best and the most positive thing about the college.

On the athletic side you need to understand, losing sucks. Its not just a game. Its not about being a "taker", someone that doesn't give a crap but just serves out their time to get a scholarship. You have to have the mentality that you are going to give back to the school. Most kids do but when they see the administration isn't committed and nor does the admin force other areas to be committed, some take the attitude of why should I be all in when the actions of the school say otherwise?

Its not just the losing, but the lack of a quality process to stop the losing. When you know you are going to lose before you take the field because the team is not prepared, that can drain you. Its more than having a good week of practice. Its about having a program based on discipline, teamwork, hard work, consistent processes of in all areas that nurture and develop this culture. We don't have that culture in football and all the way up through our athletic department. Its not just a Frank issue.

Watching this one mother and father cry the next day at breakfast after the Lehigh game was difficult. All they could say was they were sad they put their kid through this. For them it wasn't about just getting a scholarship and a good education. They wanted their kid to be in a situation where the team was in a position to win. And this kid got tons of playing time. For the seniors their playing days are over. there are no do overs. You want to know you are somewhere where everyone is on board and committed to winning.

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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:01 am

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In my playing experience, there is such a fine line between winning and losing.   I hear flyfisher loud and clear.   Taking the field when you have no chance because there is a lack of preparation and commitment from the coaches is demoralizing.    That being said, a coach can change all of that.  Simple changes focused on discipline, effort, competing, and cohesiveness are part of the change.   Then leading by example by adjusting to the players, the competition, and preparing make huge differences.   Really there are so many examples of a coaching change (Stoops at OU, Jones at Hawaii, Holtz Sr at SC, Fleck at WM just to name a few).

Its disappointing to lose dedicated players, and I wish we could change that, but all the best in the future

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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:21 pm

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XLeopard wrote:
Faragalli - in
Loose - in
Trox - in
K Clark - in
Wrobo - in
Hach - in
Heff - out
Partridge - hahahaha
Anyone on staff - out

If you have questions ask, I know more than you think.


Updates, XLep?

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:33 am

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How about the best coach in Happy Valley, Joe Morehead!   Surprised

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:51 am

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I would be shocked if Joe Morehead is still in Happy Valley next season.   He saved James Franklins job

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:59 am

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Andy wrote:
XLeopard wrote:
Faragalli - in
Loose - in
Trox - in
K Clark - in
Wrobo - in
Hach - in
Heff - out
Partridge - hahahaha
Anyone on staff - out

If you have questions ask, I know more than you think.


Updates, XLep?


To my surprise, I've heard Cramsey is interested as well.  I've also heard the college has yet to contact anyone.  I sure hope they don't drop the ball on this. Maybe they're waiting for the consultant. ??

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:57 am

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edge29 wrote:

To my surprise, I've heard Cramsey is interested as well. I've also heard the college has yet to contact anyone. I sure hope they don't drop the ball on this. Maybe they're waiting for the consultant. ??


Haha of course he is interested. They just got fired at Nevada. It's not like we would be stealing him from the FBS. As soon as they hire a new coach he is out of a job, and a local paycheck in the cold weather is better than no paycheck. Partially tongue in cheek, obviously I think we have a lot to offer. But I am sure his agent is hunting down every opening out there right now.

As a side note I have heard that Loose is definitely interested and is "working on it". He is now in the middle of Army-Navy week, so he is focused elswhere right now, but its not like he just up and lost Bruce's cell number. If anything I am sure Loose has reached out to the school by now.

I have not heard anything else about Trox or the school's process. They could be waiting for the consultant, but I'm not sure how much they are going to be able to help (at least not quickly). They will need to get the lay of the land and gain some understanding before they could advise on something as important as the new head football coach.
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:04 am

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Whoever it is, i sure hope they bring their young quarterback who already knows their offense..

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:05 am

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edge29 wrote:
Andy wrote:
XLeopard wrote:
Faragalli - in
Loose - in
Trox - in
K Clark - in
Wrobo - in
Hach - in
Heff - out
Partridge - hahahaha
Anyone on staff - out

If you have questions ask, I know more than you think.


Updates, XLep?


To my surprise, I've heard Cramsey is interested as well. I've also heard the college has yet to contact anyone. I sure hope they don't drop the ball on this. Maybe they're waiting for the consultant. ??


Thanks, 29! They havent started or they're only considering a few names. Or maybe just one preordained favorite son. Not encouraging.

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:37 am

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Franks Tanks wrote:
Official attendance was roughly 500 less than the stadium capacity. I suppose we should've given Lehigh more tickets, but tickets could be purchased via the Lafayette website right up to the game. Are people that unsavy when it comes to purchasing tickets? They were very easy to obtain.

500 unsold tickets is concerning, but does not cause a major revenue shortfall, and yes many people never found their way to their seats or left early. A pretty good statement about how fans were thinking about the program.


Attendance is tickets sold not turnstile clicks. There were a LOT more than 500 empty seats even in the beginning of the game. I had a whole section to myself!

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:58 am

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Pards Rule wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Official attendance was roughly 500 less than the stadium capacity. I suppose we should've given Lehigh more tickets, but tickets could be purchased via the Lafayette website right up to the game. Are people that unsavy when it comes to purchasing tickets? They were very easy to obtain.

500 unsold tickets is concerning, but does not cause a major revenue shortfall, and yes many people never found their way to their seats or left early. A pretty good statement about how fans were thinking about the program.


Attendance is tickets sold not turnstile clicks. There were a LOT more than 500 empty seats even in the beginning of the game. I had a whole section to myself!


Correct and I agree, but there are always empty seats, including at Lehigh.  People buy tickets and fail to show up, or stay at their tailgate or just attend the game for a short period.  Agree that this year was worse, and a fair amount of people bought tickets and didn't show.

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:05 am

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I have this horrible feeling that their nationwide search is going to begin and end on College Hill.  We will end up with Fein.   Diorio and Brice will justify it as a great selection since he is already familiar with Lafayette's commitment to diversity and inclusion.

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:18 pm

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If Bruce agrees to that without a fight he really needs to check between his legs and just go on record as happily rolling over for her for the duration of his tenure at LC.

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:20 pm

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LeopardBall10 wrote:
I have not heard anything else about Trox or the school's process.

Consistent with Bruce McC's interview during the basketball game, the "official" NCAA job posing specifies Division I scholarship experience. I know a lot of people would like to see Troxell as HC (with good reason) but it would seem that candidates with Division III-only experience are being ruled out.

As with a great many other things, I could be wrong. Embarassed




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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:23 pm

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seenalot wrote:
If Bruce agrees to that without a fight he really needs to check between his legs and just go on record as happily rolling over for her for the duration of his tenure at LC.


No need to check between his legs.  They're already in her purse. Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:08 pm

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edge29 wrote:
To my surprise, I've heard Cramsey is interested as well.


Tim Cramsey is re-tweeting stuff from "CoachingSearch.com."

Tim - you're a former QB. Musn't forecast your plays! Razz

https://twitter.com/tcramsey19

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:47 pm

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sqeenalot wrote:
If Bruce agrees to that without a fight he really needs to check between his legs and just go on record as happily rolling over for her for the duration of his tenure at LC.


I just can't believe they would do this. Surely not. I do think we will get someone with knowledge or even experience withLC. Even the administration knows that whoever they hire needs to be aware of the obstacles of the job. I stil think Loose would be a good hire. It would be a chance for him to get his first head coach job, he knows where the bones are buried at LC, and he is a good coach and trusted person. All that said, I doubt he gets it.

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