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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:42 pm

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Some things are already changing. Some formations are changing on special teams and the way they will play. All good stuff. Kids are excited about Garrett. He definitely knows what he wants done. He has goals but better, he has plans to achieve those goals. Kids see a good process.

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:25 am

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flyfisher wrote:
Some things are already changing. Some formations are changing on special teams and the way they will play. All good stuff. Kids are excited about Garrett. He definitely knows what he wants done. He has goals but better, he has plans to achieve those goals. Kids see a good process.


That's really great to hear Fly. I was hoping the JG would be the kind of HC to show up with a plan of attack so its good to hear that he is, and that the kids are receptive.

This situation really reminds me a lot of what Bill Walsh explains in his book The Score Take Care of Itself (for all of you football fans and businessmen out there, I highly recommend it). He took over a team with history and past success that had turned into a joke with a terrible culture. But because he had a plan and a commitment to his beliefs (and the work ethic of a crazy man) he turned them around in 2 years. He said "Culture precedes positive results." I think Coach Garrett knows how to fix the culture, at least inside of Bourger.
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:34 am

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LeopardBall10 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Some things are already changing. Some formations are changing on special teams and the way they will play. All good stuff. Kids are excited about Garrett. He definitely knows what he wants done. He has goals but better, he has plans to achieve those goals. Kids see a good process.


That's really great to hear Fly. I was hoping the JG would be the kind of HC to show up with a plan of attack so its good to hear that he is, and that the kids are receptive.

This situation really reminds me a lot of what Bill Walsh explains in his book The Score Take Care of Itself (for all of you football fans and businessmen out there, I highly recommend it). He took over a team with history and past success that had turned into a joke with a terrible culture. But because he had a plan and a commitment to his beliefs (and the work ethic of a crazy man) he turned them around in 2 years. He said "Culture precedes positive results." I think Coach Garrett knows how to fix the culture, at least inside of Bourger.


Very good news Fly! Thanks for recommendation LB10, I will search it on Amazon. I recall when they were 2-14 and then all of a sudden winning SB. They need another Walsh as they were 2-14 this year and just hired ATL OC Shanahan to be their new Walsh!!

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:23 pm

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Thanks for the positive report, fly!

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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:09 pm

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Am I missing something, or does Coach Garrett have 11 on his staff -- one more than Coach Tavani had?

Garrett -- Bartel, Thompson, Nudelberg, McFadden, Sammis, Twyner, Chiarlanzio, Pace, Hinds, Lezinsky, Guminsky.

Tavani -- Fein, Link, McFadden, Dell, Clayton, Halahan, Chirolanzio, Ferguson, DeMattia, Hughes.

Is it possible that Garrett split the money from one job in half? Or did someone actually find more money?

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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:25 pm

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SIDELINER wrote:
Am I missing something, or does Coach Garrett have 11 on his staff -- one more than Coach Tavani had?

Garrett -- Bartel, Thompson, Nudelberg, McFadden, Sammis, Twyner, Chiarlanzio, Pace, Hinds, Lezinsky, Guminsky.

Tavani -- Fein, Link, McFadden, Dell, Clayton, Halahan, Chirolanzio, Ferguson, DeMattia, Hughes.

Is it possible that Garrett split the money from one job in half? Or did someone actually find more money?


I hope he got a bigger assistant budget and many other concessions. I doubt it though. Who says the salaries per position are the same? For instance, Coach Clayton was in his 18th season (or thereabouts) of coaching, his counterpart Coach Sammis has 5 years experience. Surely Clayton commanded a higher salary. On the other hand, Coach Thompson is a proven commodity in this league who undoubtedly deserves good pay. Lots of young guys on Coach JG's staff. Maybe they're willing to work for less to be on the team with a chance for bigger paydays ahead after they turn this program around.

11 is max allowed FCS with no jv or frosh teams.

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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:41 am

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Andy wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
Am I missing something, or does Coach Garrett have 11 on his staff -- one more than Coach Tavani had?

Garrett -- Bartel, Thompson, Nudelberg, McFadden, Sammis, Twyner, Chiarlanzio, Pace, Hinds, Lezinsky, Guminsky.

Tavani -- Fein, Link, McFadden, Dell, Clayton, Halahan, Chirolanzio, Ferguson, DeMattia, Hughes.

Is it possible that Garrett split the money from one job in half? Or did someone actually find more money?


I hope he got a bigger assistant budget and many other concessions. I doubt it though. Who says the salaries per position are the same? For instance, Coach Clayton was in his 18th season (or thereabouts) of coaching, his counterpart Coach Sammis has 5 years experience. Surely Clayton commanded a higher salary. On the other hand, Coach Thompson is a proven commodity in this league who undoubtedly deserves good pay. Lots of young guys on Coach JG's staff. Maybe they're willing to work for less to be on the team with a chance for bigger paydays ahead after they turn this program around.

11 is max allowed FCS with no jv or frosh teams.


I am guessing your assumptions are correct. I assume these younger guys took these coaching positions as a chance to advance their careers. College helps out finding less expensive housing for the guys. Not sure to what degree. At one time recently McFadden and Clayton were living together. The position doesn't pay well. I just hope the administration is more supportive to him and the program. They made a great hire, now support him and we should have something we can be proud of again.

If I had to guess these assistant coaches look at this as a 2 year and 5 year plan for turnaround. Much like a business. Some immediate benefit by no later than year two with just a change in culture, attitude, and style of play. Garrett can achieve that with current administration. By year 5 he will have all his own recruits in place and should have the program on solid ground again.

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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:03 pm

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flyfisher wrote:
Andy wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
Am I missing something, or does Coach Garrett have 11 on his staff -- one more than Coach Tavani had?

Garrett -- Bartel, Thompson, Nudelberg, McFadden, Sammis, Twyner, Chiarlanzio, Pace, Hinds, Lezinsky, Guminsky.

Tavani -- Fein, Link, McFadden, Dell, Clayton, Halahan, Chirolanzio, Ferguson, DeMattia, Hughes.

Is it possible that Garrett split the money from one job in half? Or did someone actually find more money?


I hope he got a bigger assistant budget and many other concessions. I doubt it though. Who says the salaries per position are the same? For instance, Coach Clayton was in his 18th season (or thereabouts) of coaching, his counterpart Coach Sammis has 5 years experience. Surely Clayton commanded a higher salary. On the other hand, Coach Thompson is a proven commodity in this league who undoubtedly deserves good pay. Lots of young guys on Coach JG's staff. Maybe they're willing to work for less to be on the team with a chance for bigger paydays ahead after they turn this program around.

11 is max allowed FCS with no jv or frosh teams.


I am guessing your assumptions are correct. I assume these younger guys took these coaching positions as a chance to advance their careers. College helps out finding less expensive housing for the guys. Not sure to what degree. At one time recently McFadden and Clayton were living together. The position doesn't pay well. I just hope the administration is more supportive to him and the program. They made a great hire, now support him and we should have something we can be proud of again.

If I had to guess these assistant coaches look at this as a 2 year and 5 year plan for turnaround. Much like a business. Some immediate benefit by no later than year two with just a change in culture, attitude, and style of play. Garrett can achieve that with current administration. By year 5 he will have all his own recruits in place and should have the program on solid ground again.

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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:30 pm

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Does Brett Guminsky, the new football operations guy, count as a "coach?"

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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:36 pm

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Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Does Brett Guminsky, the new football operations guy, count as a "coach?"


Guessing along with you, bogie, but I assume so as he is not a "grad assistant." He is listed as both operations and asst coach. JG mentions Brett had been a volunteer at Richmond. He takes Mattia's place who was an operations guy in 2015 (also earned masters in 2015; so grad asst?) and asst coach in 2016.

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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:50 am

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Andy wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Does Brett Guminsky, the new football operations guy, count as a "coach?"


Guessing along with you, bogie, but I assume so as he is not a "grad assistant." He is listed as both operations and asst coach. JG mentions Brett had been a volunteer at Richmond. He takes Mattia's place who was an operations guy in 2015 (also earned masters in 2015; so grad asst?) and asst coach in 2016.


Lafayette does not employ Graduate Assistant coaches because there is no graduate program for them to attend. The NCAA defines a Graduate Assistant Coach as a coach who was admitted to the graduate school and is enrolled in classes. A lot of FBS programs find ways to get you out of class (and some flat out tell you that you are not allowed to go to class and have never had a Graduate assistant earn their masters).

But, the way the NCAA defines coaches doesn't really matter for the FCS. FBS programs are allowed extra coaches who are allowed to be on the field as long as they meet the Graduate Assistant requirements. FCS programs have their own rules.

FCS programs are allowed to employ 11 coaches "of any type" with the ability to add 2 more coaches if you field a JV team that plays at least 2 intercollegiate games, and another 2 if you field a Freshman team that plays at least 2 games.

But even with the ability to add additional coaches to the staff with a JV team (which Lafayette did have prior to the move to scholarships) the school still falls under the recruiting restrictions of no more than 10 coaches on the road at one time, with one of them being the head coach who has stricter constraints as to who he can meet with and how. There was a proposal from a lot of FBS schools to get another assistant coach added and increase that number to 11, but I don't know if that passed.

The way this has played out at Lafayette before is that you have a full time staff of the HC, 2 coordinators, 2 position coaches on each side of the ball plus two part-time or restricted earnings coaches on each side of the ball. For a while there was only one part time on the defensive side and there was an addition of a Football Operations position that was technically an off the field position. There is no limitation to the number of off-the-field positions a team can have. That is why some FBS schools have a dozen analyst and quality control position. But the NCAA has definitions for each of these positions and what they can and can't do. But to simplify it, if you are not one of the on field coaches then you cannot recruit and you cannot instruct players during practice or games.

But all of this is restricted more by money than NCAA rules at Lafayette and the rest of the PL.
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:51 pm

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Andy wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Does Brett Guminsky, the new football operations guy, count as a "coach?"


Guessing along with you, bogie, but I assume so as he is not a "grad assistant." He is listed as both operations and asst coach. JG mentions Brett had been a volunteer at Richmond. He takes Mattia's place who was an operations guy in 2015 (also earned masters in 2015; so grad asst?) and asst coach in 2016.


Looks like Brett left for a position coach spot with Coach Link.

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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:40 pm

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The coaches now have assigned "recruiting areas" in their GoLeopards.com bios.

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