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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:03 pm

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The team is 2-9 or 2-10. Beyond that, it's still irritating that BU and Loyola of course don't support football, but neither has a baseball team either. Nor does American.
The PL has too many free-riders.


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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:08 am

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Given title 9 and the fact that we are a NE school with limited seasonal weather for this outdoor sport, baseball would be a prime candidate for a cut IMOO. Temple did it a few years ago.
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:51 am

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Kpard wrote:
Given title 9 and the fact that we are a NE school with limited seasonal weather for this outdoor sport, baseball would be a prime candidate for a cut IMOO. Temple did it a few years ago.


I get it, but that would be very sad, given our history.

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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:59 pm

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We'll see what the "study" brings. We dropped wrestling many years back. We are a small school and IMO by trying to do too much we don't do anything well anymore.
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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:26 pm

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Dropping baseball would pretty much end Patriot League baseball altogether. I can't find a source anywhere, but I believe that without at least six teams, the league would lose its automatic NCAA bid.

But first things first: we have a few good arms and - while 2-10 is bad under any circumstance - you also can't ignore that five of those losses are by one run. Also, as mentioned, it's a six team league and four teams make the playoffs. So win when the aces are on the hill, scratch out a few runs in the other games, and let's see what happens.

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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:59 pm

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Kpard wrote:
We'll see what the "study" brings. We dropped wrestling many years back. We are a small school and IMO by trying to do too much we don't do anything well anymore.


No way would we drop baseball. It has numerous important supporters including the Kamines. Don't forget our most prominent modern day alumnus Joe Madden.

( Thinking today that our two most celebrated alumni , Madden and Stephen Crane who wrote Red Badge of Courage, did not graduate. Madden of course got a honorary degree several years ago.)

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:01 pm

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Recall it being said that he transferred to Syracuse. Googled it to be sure. (Left LC after a semester.) Played baseball at SU circa 1891.

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:27 pm

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Story was that Crane flunked freshman English.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:40 am

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Crane isn't the only one failing. Baseball is now 2-15 and just lost 25-7 to UNC Greensboro. I don't think anybody saw this coming.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:58 am

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10-40 the spring before the #150 football game (remember being on the joe maddon bus on way to game and some baseball parents were sitting in front of us and I brought that up).  Results haven't been terrific for a while now

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:57 pm

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Lafayette is up 4-1 in the top of the fifth. Giusti is pitching.
About the Temple item above, the Owls were cutting recurring expenses but they also cited improvements needed at the Ambler sports complex when they dropped baseball.
I saw a few games there and thought it wasn't bad but it perhaps didn't compare to other league facilities.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:55 pm

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Bottom of seventh up 5-1  then 5-2 then bases loaded then grand  slam
Now down 6-5     Last really good year was 2007   That's a long time ago

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:58 pm

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8-5 now.
Well, we'll always have volleyball. That's one sport we can count on.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:10 pm

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We just homered with a man on   top of eighth  2 outs   down 8-7

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:21 pm

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Curios as to what you think are the reasons for the problems. Unlike some sports, it is not a money issue, as LC has the most baseball scholarships and spends the most money.  Here is what PL teams spent last year on baseball:

Lafayette $683k
Lehigh $454k
Bucknell $447k
HC $447k  (tie)

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:44 pm

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IMO   In a word, "Metzgar."  Too far from campus making all sports using it as a base a tough sell.

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:58 pm

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2-18 now.
Maybe things will change in PL play, which starts April 1 (really).

On the bigger question, I have no idea. A close family tie started for Lehigh for four years not long ago and at that time, Engineer fans bemoaned the state of their facilities compared to Lafayette's. Lehigh has since improved the ballfield but I would still take Kamine over whatever the other place is called (it had a placeholder name the last time I was there, Leadership Field or something).

Both schools have longtime coaches with not a lot of success on the field.
Kinney may reach 500 losses this season. Leary has done slightly better overall.
It's tough to be good in the Northeast but these schools have at times been competitive in the league.

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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:20 am

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The baseball team is now 2-20. I don't know if it's intentional but the latest sports-information item omits the record.
Baseball has reached the level of volleyball.

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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:09 pm

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I didn't know this before but there are Sagarin ratings for baseball. How blissful was my ignorance.
Lafayette is No. 294 out of 299. That was six losses ago, the numbers are a bit behind.
Lehigh is No. 275. The Patriot League is 28th of 31. The Big 12 is the best, the SWAC comes in last.
Northeast baseball is a challenge.
League play and home games haven't started so there is always hope.


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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:38 pm

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There are at least six active rating systems for D1 baseball. PL is near the bottom in all. As you say, it's tough to be competitive with a northeast location. The PL is ahead of the NEC and only slightly behind the A10, MAAC, and AE.

http://masseyratings.com/cbase/compare.htm

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