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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:52 pm

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Rutgers 28 - Lafayette 4

I had to double-check this one, even in this era of abject failure.

Let the school-supported alleged D1 team and the official club team play. The winner can finish the season.

I'd go with the club team anyway. That or just end the season now.

3-32. I haven't checked the records nor will I bother to but this organized baseball activity could be the worst in the history of the school.

Rutgers may have set its record for runs today. Even they aren't sure.

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:04 am

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[quote="bethlehempard:61331"]Rutgers 28 - Lafayette 4

I had to double-check this one, even in this era of abject failure.

Let the school-supported alleged D1 team and the official club team play. The winner can finish the season.

I'd go with the club team anyway. That or just end the season now.

3-32. I haven't checked the records nor will I bother to but this organized baseball activity could be the worst in the history of the school.

Rutgers may have set its record for runs today. Even they aren't sure.[/quote]

How can anyone justify retaining our coaching staff?

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:29 am

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But... but... Notre Dame! I was hoping that game was a sign that we at least had a fighting chance every time Trevor Houck was on the mound. No offense intended toward the young man - there's certainly no one player that deserves being singled out for 3-32 - but even our best pitcher seems to be a step behind the rest of the "aces" in the Patriot League and similar conferences.

As for yesterday's 28-4 loss to Rutgers, it seems the combination of not being very good plus not using our weekend arms plus playing a Big Ten team (not a good one, but Big Ten nonetheless) is a recipe for disaster.

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:19 am

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The baseball record is consistent with the rest of the programs-winning percentage = 11%.That study report can't come soon enough. Hopefully it will convince the administration that something is rotten in Denmark.Right now they're all in a Jonestown like mass stupor.

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:36 pm

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[quote="SixtyEighter:61335"]The baseball record is consistent with the rest of the programs-winning percentage = 11%.That study report can't come soon enough. Hopefully it will convince the administration that something is rotten in Denmark.Right now they're all in a Jonestown like mass stupor.[/quote]


What is the national record for worst all time school wide sports teams?

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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:57 pm

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Baseball: was up 10-8 over Bucknell in the bottom of the seventh and final inning.
The first Bison batter struck out. Two outs from victory.
The next batter grounded out. One out from victory, bases empty and a two-run lead.
A walk ... a series of hits and another walk and a hit and an 11-10 loss.
This is becoming Gothic. The sins of Lafayette past are being inflicted on the 2016-17 teams. So are the coaches of the past.
The team is 3-35 and on a losing streak of 10 or 11 or maybe 12 games. Really, does it matter?

It's time for the solution and it's not a study or a feel-good press release or even a donation.

I'm preparing to hold an exorcism at Fisher. Beer will be served of course.

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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:02 am

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[quote="bethlehempard:61364"]Baseball: was up 10-8 over Bucknell in the bottom of the seventh and final inning.
The first Bison batter struck out. Two outs from victory.
The next batter grounded out. One out from victory, bases empty and a two-run lead.
A walk ... a series of hits and another walk and a hit and an 11-10 loss.
This is becoming Gothic. The sins of Lafayette past are being inflicted on the 2016-17 teams. So are the coaches of the past.
The team is 3-35 and on a losing streak of 10 or 11 or maybe 12 games. Really, does it matter?

It's time for the solution and it's not a study or a feel-good press release or even a donation.

I'm preparing to hold an exorcism at Fisher. Beer will be served of course.[/quote  Is there any college coach anywhere who has kept his job with level of ineptitude?

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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:14 pm

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Weekend totals for four games:
Lehigh 29 runs
Lafayette 6 runs

Lehigh was 12-24 before the four-game series, not good but good enough to dominate the Leopards.
Lafayette is 3-41 and winning 6.8 percent of its games.
Nobody saw this coming.

Lehigh probably isn't even going to make it to the league playoffs.
Consider that: Lafayette isn't close, not remotely close, to the fifth team in a six-team league.

Let there be at least one more win for these kids.

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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:15 pm

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For the record:

Baseball vs Lehigh = 1-11 last 3 seasons
= 4-16 last 5 seasons

Why?

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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:42 am

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Why?

Well, a quick look of the roster shows we have 13 freshmen, 9 sophs, 9 juniors, and only 4 seniors. And of course, should be senior Dave Bednar is now pitching at Fort Wayne in the Padres organization.

It's a huge jump up for the high school pitchers, 7 of them. Do we have a pitching coach?

There's a "coach" who goes out to the mound but with his head down and hoodie over his head. Seems like he should be a more positive coach with the young pitchers.

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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:42 am

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justasoldier wrote:
Why?

Well, a quick look of the roster shows we have 13 freshmen, 9 sophs, 9 juniors, and only 4 seniors. And of course, should be senior Dave Bednar is now pitching at Fort Wayne in the Padres organization.

It's a huge jump up for the high school pitchers, 7 of them. Do we have a pitching coach?

There's a "coach" who goes out to the mound but with his head down and hoodie over his head. Seems like he should be a more positive coach with the young pitchers.


We had lost 10 straight to the rival, and 16 of 20, that's not an isolated roster situation.

In this interview Coach seems to have fallen into the Coach T narrative - main source of pride is that his guys graduate and go on to careers and families. That's great and Coach is undoubtedly a terrific guy. But, when will we be competitive again? I would cite a comparative lack of funding if I could. Just a fan, I'd love to feel a sense of urgency.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BKC6hllXgUg

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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:57 am

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Coach Kinney took over a program in absolute shambles - slowly built it into a solid contender and now it's an atrocity. All of this with the same lead assistant.
Variations on that theme have also played out in men's hoops, football and to some degree men's soccer.

Again: Why? Do the coaches become complacent or do we have a system that categorically undercuts success?

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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:01 pm

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Andy wrote:
justasoldier wrote:
Why?

Well, a quick look of the roster shows we have 13 freshmen, 9 sophs, 9 juniors, and only 4 seniors. And of course, should be senior Dave Bednar is now pitching at Fort Wayne in the Padres organization.

It's a huge jump up for the high school pitchers, 7 of them. Do we have a pitching coach?

There's a "coach" who goes out to the mound but with his head down and hoodie over his head. Seems like he should be a more positive coach with the young pitchers.


We had lost 10 straight to the rival, and 16 of 20, that's not an isolated roster situation.

In this interview Coach seems to have fallen into the Coach T narrative - main source of pride is that his guys graduate and go on to careers and families. That's great and Coach is undoubtedly a terrific guy. But, when will we be competitive again? I would cite a comparative lack of funding if I could. Just a fan, I'd love to feel a sense of urgency.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BKC6hllXgUg


Do you think it's an admissions issue?

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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:42 pm

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Certainly, as with the football assistants, you have to wonder about an assistant who remains for 18 years.   Could just be he is not interested in moving his family/family commitments, or even his wife has the higher paying job so him taking a HC job is not worthwhile.

Regarding the HC, as I said with football, I am OK with mediocrity (.500 seasons, making conference tournament every few years.  But I am not OK with consecutive really bad seasons, and in baseball it is very hard to understand 3-41.   bad baseball teams should win 1 out of 3 (which is what we've done the last few years).

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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:05 pm

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Just for the heck of it, extrapolate 3 and 41 over a major league 162-game season: 11-151.
This season is beyond understanding. A D3 squad could win more games out of 44.
Lafayette is No. 298 of 299 in Massey ratings.. St. Peter's is 0-23 and last.
Every MEAC and SWAC team and everybody else is higher.
It's outrageous. Mostly though it's sad, sad for these players. Good luck men.

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:46 am

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I assume you're talking about Gregg Durrah. If so, it's worth noting that his son Trey is on the roster. So Coach Durrah likely isn't going anywhere (on his own accord) for at least three more seasons.

I don't like to get into the "keep 'em or can 'em" talk about people I don't know, just thought this was some notable info for those who do.

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:33 am

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While obviously not playing for him, I believe Micky Fein's daughter is an incoming freshman and a girls lax recruit.

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:23 pm

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We're putting on one of the all-time greatest shit-shows in the history of Lafayette athletics and you guys want to focus on an assistant coaches offspring.

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:06 pm

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These last 4 years have been by all measures a disaster. The blame is at the top and where the fix must occur. We cannot just fire and promote from within...the whole leadership crew must go. That's is now a given. Get a professional manager in and let him or her go to work.

This is now on Byerly the president!!!

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:48 pm

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Marooner wrote:
I assume you're talking about Gregg Durrah. If so, it's worth noting that his son Trey is on the roster. So Coach Durrah likely isn't going anywhere (on his own accord) for at least three more seasons.

I don't like to get into the "keep 'em or can 'em" talk about people I don't know, just thought this was some notable info for those who do.


Durrah isn't a full time coach.  His real job is being a Northampton County probation officer.  I don't believe baseball has a full time assistant coach making a living wage.  It's Kinney, Durrah part time and a bunch of young kids or part time older guys making peanuts.

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