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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:37 pm

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I heard there were issues behind the scenes.

I didn't believe them.

I do now.

Thoughts?

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:02 pm

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Ah how the times have changed...

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:03 pm

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Let's hope that the powers that be learned their lesson with the recent football hiring and do another "professional" job to fill this position.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:23 pm

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This is stunning news. It may point to a dust up between Bruce and Grentz. There is a rumor that this comes directly from Byerly... which should not be good for Bruce or Annette.
In any case, finding a competent replacement will be expensive given our history!!

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:38 pm

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Lafalum wrote:
This is stunning news. It may point to a dust up between Bruce and Grentz. There is a rumor that this comes directly from Byerly... which should not be good for Bruce or Annette.
In any case, finding a competent replacement will be expensive given our history!!



Any idea how many years left on her contract?   Based on the Equity in Athletics numbers, it appears that she is the highest-paid women's coach in the PL by a good margin.   May make it difficult to pay a lot for her replacement - unless she was convinced to resign or fired for cause.   I doubt verbal abuse of players would rise to that level.

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:24 pm

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bison137 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
This is stunning news. It may point to a dust up between Bruce and Grentz. There is a rumor that this comes directly from Byerly... which should not be good for Bruce or Annette.
In any case, finding a competent replacement will be expensive given our history!!



Any idea how many years left on her contract? Based on the Equity in Athletics numbers, it appears that she is the highest-paid women's coach in the PL by a good margin. May make it difficult to pay a lot for her replacement - unless she was convinced to resign or fired for cause. I doubt verbal abuse of players would rise to that level.
Wow is Fran the next to go?
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:37 pm

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Needs to be Fran then Bruce

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:48 pm

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The absurdity of Lafayette sports knows no bounds. None. Sheer lunacy and the return on investment of a cannabis penny stock: zero.

The options:

1-Bring Back Tammy! She won some games and made a playoff run. Based on MBB's success she too should have been Coach for Life. Considering what has ensued since, I've learned to appreciate her.

2-Fold the program.

3-Hire former Lehigh MBB Coach David Duke.

Before the next home WBB game everybody should get stoned on the Quad. I will bring some Pakistani Double Zero.

Are you with me!


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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:47 pm

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Perhaps the climate is changing?
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:09 pm

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I was at the lacrosse game today. At halftime i went in to Kirby and Grentz,Ross James,and Kristen Foley were cleaning out there offices and puting things into cars and moving vans they were taking everything desks,chairs, even the photocopier.

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:29 pm

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The Maroon wrote:
I heard there were issues behind the scenes.

I didn't believe them.

I do now.

Thoughts?


You should believe them.  I know some on this board believed that it was all about disgruntled players and their parents complaining about playing time and a bunch of petty b.s. against a "tough" coach.  It wasn't.  It was much more than that.  No one is celebrating.  It's sad that it came to this.  But it was the right move by the school and should be applauded.  She brought this on herself.  Calls to eliminate the program are misguided and would only punish the kids who, in good faith, committed themselves to the program.  This program can be fixed and should be fixed.  Let's pray that the leadership in the athletic department and the school administration make it a priority to take the steps that will give this program the best chance to move in a positive direction and ultimately succeed.

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:47 pm

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Been there, heard that, it's all bull. Decades of ineptitude are the fact.
College sports are supposed to serve the greater good of the institution.
Unfortunately Lafayette has perverted that simple and self-evident goal.
Some sports serve their inept coaches. Others serve to make the school a laughingstock.
Other league teams fell sorry for us! They ease up.
It's time for tough choices not buzzwords.
Take a step back and look at what has been going on all these years. The college community has been bamboozled by bad coaches and bad teams and quarter-million dollar busts.
Stop the madness.

Don't stop with Grentz. Fire another dozen or cut sports.
Is anybody awake out there?

Imagine the chatter among the coddled coaches.
"What, they're firing for incompetence now?"

Disgrace across the board.

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:55 pm

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Ransom Stoddard wrote:
Calls to eliminate the program are misguided and would only punish the kids who, in good faith, committed themselves to the program.



I am fairly sure any calls to eliminate the program are just people venting.   In any event, the reality is that Patriot League rules require that all members have a D1 basketball team (men and women).   LC would have to leave the PL to get rid of basketball, and that is not happening.

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:28 pm

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Wasn't Grentz on the athletic self-study committee? Not that it matters any more, of course.

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:00 am

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Ransom Stoddard wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
I heard there were issues behind the scenes.

I didn't believe them.

I do now.

Thoughts?


You should believe them. I know some on this board believed that it was all about disgruntled players and their parents complaining about playing time and a bunch of petty b.s. against a "tough" coach. It wasn't. It was much more than that. No one is celebrating. It's sad that it came to this. But it was the right move by the school and should be applauded. She brought this on herself. Calls to eliminate the program are misguided and would only punish the kids who, in good faith, committed themselves to the program. This program can be fixed and should be fixed. Let's pray that the leadership in the athletic department and the school administration make it a priority to take the steps that will give this program the best chance to move in a positive direction and ultimately succeed.


Yeah - the small amount of insight I had points to this being a mess...Bruce should be on the hook for this one though. It will be interesting to see who they find to steady the ship.

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:02 am

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Leopard Loyalist wrote:
Wasn't Grentz on the athletic self-study committee? Not that it matters any more, of course.


I forgot about that. Actually it does matter because it shows that as late as last fall the AD had faith in her!? This demonstrates what really needs to be done. The ball is now in Byerly's court and if she doesn't act it's a reflection of her management abilities! It's now time...act Madam President!!

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:21 am

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Leopard Loyalist wrote:
Wasn't Grentz on the athletic self-study committee? Not that it matters any more, of course.


Oh yeah - it was a big love-in with Theresa Grentz with Bruce leading the group hugs! Make no mistake - this wasn't about W/L record (as bad as it was) - and if the school is on the hook for a lot of money to honor her contract that should fall on Bruce as well. The behaviors that led to this were part of a pattern. She wasn't a good fit for Lafayette - that's all on the AD.

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:03 am

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There must have been a precipitating event but regardless of the reason(s) this demonstrates further the chaotic conditions in Kirby .Tavani wasn't fired until he shot his mouth off in that tirade in the newspaper. There is tolerance of losing and besides it would have been fair to give her 1 more year to bring in more of her own players and demonstate progress.Her methods this past season were certainly questionable but she appeared to have a plan. Her recruits showed promise. I hope we don't lose many.The program is shaky enough without more backsliding. It is and has been the worst in the league for an extended period.I think there was a precipitous event because  it would have made more sense to fire her at the end of the season rather than a month later.Then again who says good sense was a factor given the recent history of the Athletic Department. The overall record speaks for it self.This program in particular hasn't been competently run since Pat Fisher retired.We can only hope that "the study" isn't used as a a fig leaf.

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:18 am

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This raises the stakes for the study. A "fig leaf" conclusion will only make matters worse. Athletic donations are down, expenses will be up paying off old coaching contracts. The time is now upon Byerly to act.

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:24 pm

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This is a truly a shame because I had high hopes for the team under Grentz when she was hired.

I don't know the specifics of any "issues" regarding Grentz (other than an unacceptable W/L record) but I don't think speculation about any non-performance issues is worth discussing here. It would probably just make a difficult situation even worse.

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