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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:07 am

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http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/re...racker%2fconference%3fconfId%3d22

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:11 am

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And where are we????

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:25 am

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Lafalum wrote:
And where are we????


Well, we haven't released our info yet, they could be waiting for the women to finish up.

Our center recruit is well rated (although they dont show his commitment to us).  I believe Johnson and Giese are not listed by the ESPN rating sevice. (scouts inc)

Peter Daaleman  C 6'10" 200 East Chapel Hill H.S. (NC)  C #78 75

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:53 am

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What's the deal with Peter Daaleman?  Initially it looked like "Oh God, not another one."  A logical progression of low probability projects:  from Koltun to Pelham to Daaleman; the tallest bench in the Patriot League.  Now we seem to be saying that he's a "player" with some recruiting panache; a guy who will be next year's answer to "one serious recruit per year."  Which is it?

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:50 pm

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ESPN's "rankings" , put together by Scouts Inc   (completely different from Scout), are heavily based on how well a player has been marketed by his AAU coach and whether they sent a lot of info/film in.     Many mid-major players never get rated by them at all - including most PL players.     IMO their rankings are even more meaningless than those of Scout and Rivals.

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:17 pm

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bison137 wrote:
ESPN's "rankings" , put together by Scouts Inc   (completely different from Scout), are heavily based on how well a player has been marketed by his AAU coach and whether they sent a lot of info/film in.     Many mid-major players never get rated by them at all - including most PL players.     IMO their rankings are even more meaningless than those of Scout and Rivals.


I disagree, I think scouts inc has the better reputation.

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:32 pm

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Andy wrote:
bison137 wrote:
ESPN's "rankings" , put together by Scouts Inc   (completely different from Scout), are heavily based on how well a player has been marketed by his AAU coach and whether they sent a lot of info/film in.     Many mid-major players never get rated by them at all - including most PL players.     IMO their rankings are even more meaningless than those of Scout and Rivals.


I disagree, I think scouts inc has the better reputation.



We'll have to agree to disagree.    Scouts inc is pretty good for the high-major guys but they make no effort at all to see or evaluate most mid-major players.    Many that they do rank are based on film sent to them by an AAU coach or parent that may not give an accurate portrayal of a player.    They have had no rating at all for over 75% of PL recruits the last few years.

The reality is that only Hoopscoop really makes any effort at all at evaluating mid-majors.    They are far from perfect but signficantly better than Scout, ESPN (Scouts Inc), or Rivals.

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:06 pm

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bison137 wrote:
Andy wrote:
bison137 wrote:
ESPN's "rankings" , put together by Scouts Inc   (completely different from Scout), are heavily based on how well a player has been marketed by his AAU coach and whether they sent a lot of info/film in.     Many mid-major players never get rated by them at all - including most PL players.     IMO their rankings are even more meaningless than those of Scout and Rivals.


I disagree, I think scouts inc has the better reputation.



We'll have to agree to disagree.    Scouts inc is pretty good for the high-major guys but they make no effort at all to see or evaluate most mid-major players.    Many that they do rank are based on film sent to them by an AAU coach or parent that may not give an accurate portrayal of a player.    They have had no rating at all for over 75% of PL recruits the last few years.

The reality is that only Hoopscoop really makes any effort at all at evaluating mid-majors.    They are far from perfect but signficantly better than Scout, ESPN (Scouts Inc), or Rivals.


137,  my impression of scouts inc is that they supposedly use former coaches to make eyes-on evaluations at live events, are less commercilaized and are less available/susceptible to parents sending highlight DVDs.  That would be in line with your finding that they dont evaluate as many kids period, and at the PL level particularly.   We dont have much experience with "ranked/rated" BB players at LC, having recently gone scholarship. WE do have a track record with FB kids (and I do like to see the 2* ratings, you get more info on the players and it's fun) and frankly the success rate for the 2* recruits has been nothing to write home about.

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:18 pm

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Eric had previously posted this.  ESPN Insiders' evaluation of Daaleman:

September, 2008: A very skilled senior big man who missed Saturday's action (2008 Bob Gibbons Fall Evaluation Clinic) with congestion in his chest, but played well on Sunday. Daaleman needs strength, and, obviously, was not at 100%. But, he showed good post moves, passing skills and an accurate shooting touch with range. He is still developing, but passes our look test. Those in need of a promising big man should check him out. //////

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:59 pm

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Andy wrote:
Eric had previously posted this.  ESPN Insiders' evaluation of Daaleman:

September, 2008: A very skilled senior big man who missed Saturday's action (2008 Bob Gibbons Fall Evaluation Clinic) with congestion in his chest, but played well on Sunday. Daaleman needs strength, and, obviously, was not at 100%. But, he showed good post moves, passing skills and an accurate shooting touch with range. He is still developing, but passes our look test. Those in need of a promising big man should check him out. //////


Thanks.

So maybe we (color that I) wrote off the incoming class a little early.  I agree with whoever said it, but we only really need one real player in each class.  The remaining recruits just fill in around this core and then you have a legitimate team.  A 6'10" guy with a future will bring some smiles to these sullen faces.


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