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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:36 pm

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You can always get applications, the question is are you getting the best, or is the applicant themselves a project!!  Will they have experience  recruiting in a scholarship environment?? Having D3 coaching experience and your HS contacts are in the need based D3 world doesn't help. Recruiting D1 scholarship kids is a 2 year rotating effort, something we haven't learned to do yet for either bball team.
Both our Soccer team and FH have not only finished for 2009 recruits but have narrowed their searches for 2010, not the case in basketball. We haven't even closed our 2009 class. I haven't even got into developement and systems that take advantage of the speed and athleticism of those athletes.

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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:16 pm

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Lafalum wrote:
You can always get applications, the question is are you getting the best, or is the applicant themselves a project!!  Will they have experience  recruiting in a scholarship environment?? Having D3 coaching experience and your HS contacts are in the need based D3 world doesn't help. Recruiting D1 scholarship kids is a 2 year rotating effort, something we haven't learned to do yet for either bball team.
Both our Soccer team and FH have not only finished for 2009 recruits but have narrowed their searches for 2010, not the case in basketball. We haven't even closed our 2009 class. I haven't even got into developement and systems that take advantage of the speed and athleticism of those athletes.


We just see it differently. I think we can get a great applicant pool of D1 assistants and yes, I do believe there may be some D3 coaches who COULD get the job done. I do tend to agree, I would prefer they go the assistant route, but either way we can get ourselves a good coach.

First of all the job is hardly a revolving door. I'm starting to think it might be a tenured position--Pat Fisher certainly coached past her prime. I think it's safe to say we can look at any applicant in the eye and tell them "you will have PLENTY of time to show us what you can do" and have plenty of credibility to back up the claim.  

We let Tammy take a bad program that was winning about 8 games/year and turn it into a God-Awful one that won 7 games in 3 years. Players that looked promising under FIsher floundered under Tammy-- And we supported her: She didn't have scholarships, she was implementing her system, she needed to get her people in place. She won everywhere else she coached--give her time.

And we gave her time...And she responded with 3 more bad seasons but they weren't as putrid as they had been, so it was an improvement. And then we had....(drumroll) SCHOLARSHIPS! And when her first recruiting class with schollies flopped, we gave a pass because we made the decision to start awarding scholarships to late in the recruiting cycle--never mind that the class would have been considered sub-standard even in the pre-scholarship era.

And then...SEASON SEVEN! It came together..sort of...We had a frosh phenom and for a brief time we actually looked like we might actually be...gasp...contendors--after the first half of the league season. THings didn't go as well down the stretch, we had another sub.500 season and another first-round exit in the playoffs...And we accepted that, hell we rejoiced in that-- because it was a huge step up from what we were used to.

Yes, we lost the best player from last seasons 14-16 team, but there was plenty of reason to think we might still be a formidable team this year. Four starters were back, the good freshmen would become better sophomores and we had another promising class of recruits coming in.

Personally, I was under the naive belief that we could go 7-7 in the league and win a league tournament game. Barring a miracle we are going to fall short of that modest goal....Possibly ridiculously short.

Now we're losing 3 key players. Our leading rebounder from a team that isn't rebounding that well and we're losing basically the only 3 point threats we have--and we have nothing promising in the pipeline in the back court. It doesn't appear that recruiting is going that well.

STICK A FORK IN THIS!!!! There's no other conclusion. It's over.
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:19 pm

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This is an opinion and only an opinion. I have been a little harsh these last couple of weeks  and i thinks some of you think too harsh.I talked about the leadership and work ethic and the lack of it. I should have left out of that the graduating seniors this year. I think the problems start with our giving scholarships. The recruiting process changes when you have scholarships in hand you are now able to recruit players that are over 6' and guards that score 20 points a game in high school but does the 6'3 post player fit into what you do and is she a basketball player or is she just bigger than everyone she plays against. Does the guard that averages 20 points get those 20 points by taking 40 shots for her high school team. I dont know maybe I am way off here but the frustration is at an all time high and I might not be thinking clearly. I need a drink!


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