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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:42 am

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Yesterday I went to a visit to my son who is a senior at Trinity College , a place that is an academic peer of Lafayette in almost every way. The school is 1/3 engineering and 2/3 liberal arts.US News ranks the schools as virtually the same and so did the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago. Trinity does compete at a DIII level in the NESCAC . NESCAC members are analagous to Patriot members academically-Amherst , Williams , Middlebury.  Wesleyan , Bates , etc. Generally Trinity , Amherst, Williams and Tufts compete for league championships.Trinity's Athletic Director is a Rutgers graduate.The head football coach is named Jeff DeVanney, a Trinity graduate ('93).He succeeded Chuck Priore who is now head coach at Stony Brook and is taking that program into the CAA.Priore's record from 2000-2005 was 39-9. DeVanney's record since 2006 is 67-13. From 1932-1999 the football team's  record was 329-156.The program's overall record over it history since 1877 is 568- 350-42.The team is curently 7-0 having struggled yesterday to dispatch Amherst its nemesis and DeVanney's 24-10. DeVanney has only 9 losses in 11 years , 3 of which were to Amherst. My point is that where there  is an institutional will to support football or any other sport consistent success is the result. Lafayette lacks this will to commit to athletics. Parenthetically Priore's brother is Head Coach at Penn.

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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:03 am

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SixtyEighter wrote:
Yesterday I went to a visit to my son who is a senior at Trinity College , a place that is an academic peer of Lafayette in almost every way. The school is 1/3 engineering and 2/3 liberal arts.US News ranks the schools as virtually the same and so did the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago. Trinity does compete at a DIII level in the NESCAC . NESCAC members are analagous to Patriot members academically-Amherst , Williams , Middlebury. Wesleyan , Bates , etc. Generally Trinity , Amherst, Williams and Tufts compete for league championships.Trinity's Athletic Director is a Rutgers graduate.The head football coach is named Jeff DeVanney, a Trinity graduate ('93).He succeeded Chuck Priore who is now head coach at Stony Brook and is taking that program into the CAA.Priore's record from 2000-2005 was 39-9. DeVanney's record since 2006 is 67-13. From 1932-1999 the football team's record was 329-156.The program's overall record over it history since 1877 is 568- 350-42.The team is curently 7-0 having struggled yesterday to dispatch Amherst its nemesis and DeVanney's 24-10. DeVanney has only 9 losses in 11 years , 3 of which were to Amherst. My point is that where there is an institutional will to support football or any other sport consistent success is the result. Lafayette lacks this will to commit to athletics. Parenthetically Priore's brother is Head Coach at Penn.


Alison and every Trustee should read this.  Although it clearly is easier to win in D-III.  That is not the issue; Institutional Support is, as 68er correctly points out.

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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:20 pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:33 am

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While Sixty Eighter is certainly correct about Lafayette's lack of commitment to the entire athletic program, the goal should not be to mimic Trinity College, but mimic the schools in the Patriot League that are most like us - Bucknell, Colgate, and Holy Cross.  While these schools don't win all the time, they are usually highly competitive in the league, and give a good accounting of themselves in no matter what sport is being contested - while maintaining the high academic standards that form the basic mission of the school.

These schools view athletics as an integral part of the educational process and the overall mission of the school.  Students there are taught that success on the playing fields today translates into success in life in the future.  Coaches and administrators are made to believe that they are part of the educational process, and that they will be held to account in making their student athletes better athletes and people.

I am convinced that Lafayette doesn't view athletics in this fashion.  Lafayette views athletics as simply another extracurricular activity - as something for students to do between the hours of 4-6 p.m. until it is time for dinner.  If an individual team has some success then great.  If not, then no big deal.  As long as everyone participated, then mission accomplished.

For things to change we need to determine what these schools do well, and we need to bring those concepts to Easton.  It is then that we get better and more competitive.  There should be no thought of dropping down to Div. III.  Lafayette belongs in the Patriot League.  We simply need to mimic our immediate competitors and decide that sports and athletics is something that should be emphasized and is important to the overall mission of the College.

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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:47 am

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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:54 pm

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Sorry, but I wasn't suggesting that we mimic Trinity. My point was the same now as when I made it when Union won a national ice hockey championship a couple of years ago- Lafayette does not have a commitment to putting out consistently competitive teams let alone consistent championship teams.Anyone who thinks I want to mimic a DIII program has misunderstood my point.There is a big difference between our level and DIII which I fully understand.I am glad to generate discussion however.If other academic schools can succeed in athletics without compromising academics then Lafayette can as well.

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:11 am

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I totally agree with you Sixty Eighter.  I was simply expressing my frustration as to why Bucknell, Colgate, and Holy Cross - schools that share roughly the same size, academic/athletic philosophy, and general academics are so much more competitive than Lafayette on the playing fields in the Patriot League.  We need not look any further afield than the competition in our league.  What is it that they do that we don't?  That is what this consultant and committee need to answer, and then we need to take their recommendations and go from there.

Back in the dark ages when I competed for Lafayette, the school belonged to the East Coast Conference.  If I recall, schools like Delaware, Temple, St. Joe's, Rider, and LaSalle belonged to that league along with Bucknell and Lehigh.  Other than geography, we really had nothing in common with most of those schools.  That is why I believe that the Patriot League is where Lafayette belongs.  We simply need the commitment and the will to compete better.

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:36 am

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Spardicus80 wrote:
I totally agree with you Sixty Eighter. I was simply expressing my frustration as to why Bucknell, Colgate, and Holy Cross - schools that share roughly the same size, academic/athletic philosophy, and general academics are so much more competitive than Lafayette on the playing fields in the Patriot League. We need not look any further afield than the competition in our league. What is it that they do that we don't? That is what this consultant and committee need to answer, and then we need to take their recommendations and go from there.

Back in the dark ages when I competed for Lafayette, the school belonged to the East Coast Conference. If I recall, schools like Delaware, Temple, St. Joe's, Rider, and LaSalle belonged to that league along with Bucknell and Lehigh. Other than geography, we really had nothing in common with most of those schools. That is why I believe that the Patriot League is where Lafayette belongs. We simply need the commitment and the will to compete better.


All very true! But, apparently we need a consultant to tell us that!?
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:15 pm

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Apples and oranges. Lafayette is DI and staying there. Trinity is DIII and staying that way.


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