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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:29 pm

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Another rout. 6 points in the 4th Quarter.

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:41 pm

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There's no lipstick for this pig.  This was one we were hoping to "get back" the second time around.  
I can't imagine what the team must feel like...

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:33 pm

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So we recruited Agnelo as a point guard from Erie Prep. Why isn't she playing point guard?

I see Lutz is now getting playing time and scoring. Why was she held out?

Ed65, I know you are close to the program, what's going on here?
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:07 pm

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NewXbo wrote:
So we recruited Agnelo as a point guard from Erie Prep. Why isn't she playing point guard?



Was she recruited as a PG?

On her HS roster, she was listed as a "SG, Wing".   Also on YouTube videos uploaded by her coach, she was called a "shooting guard".

Also sounds like Grentz envisioned her as a two when she recruited her:

""Sarah is an athletic guard who has not seen a shot she doesn't like," Grentz commented. "We wanted someone who could fill it up from the perimeter with a high percentage result, and Sarah is that student-athlete. She has a true shooter's mentality and she brings a competitive nature that will add to our process of building a true championship culture at Lafayette."

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:17 pm

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bison137 wrote:
NewXbo wrote:
So we recruited Agnelo as a point guard from Erie Prep. Why isn't she playing point guard?



Was she recruited as a PG?

On her HS roster, she was listed as a "SG, Wing". Also on YouTube videos uploaded by her coach, she was called a "shooting guard".

Also sounds like Grentz envisioned her as a two when she recruited her:

""Sarah is an athletic guard who has not seen a shot she doesn't like," Grentz commented. "We wanted someone who could fill it up from the perimeter with a high percentage result, and Sarah is that student-athlete. She has a true shooter's mentality and she brings a competitive nature that will add to our process of building a true championship culture at Lafayette."


If you watched the PIAA basketball tournament last year you would know she was originally recruited as a junior and she was Erie Prep's PG. However she grew a few inches and was used as a shooting guard in last year's championship game. You can find my previous comments about her performance in the championship game where she scored most of her teams points in the first half and fouled out of the game early in the second half.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:29 pm

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NewXbo wrote:
bison137 wrote:
NewXbo wrote:
So we recruited Agnelo as a point guard from Erie Prep. Why isn't she playing point guard?



Was she recruited as a PG?

On her HS roster, she was listed as a "SG, Wing". Also on YouTube videos uploaded by her coach, she was called a "shooting guard".

Also sounds like Grentz envisioned her as a two when she recruited her:

""Sarah is an athletic guard who has not seen a shot she doesn't like," Grentz commented. "We wanted someone who could fill it up from the perimeter with a high percentage result, and Sarah is that student-athlete. She has a true shooter's mentality and she brings a competitive nature that will add to our process of building a true championship culture at Lafayette."


If you watched the PIAA basketball tournament last year you would know she was originally recruited as a junior and she was Erie Prep's PG. However she grew a few inches and was used as a shooting guard in last year's championship game. You can find my previous comments about her performance in the championship game where she scored most of her teams points in the first half and fouled out of the game early in the second half.


So if she was a SG her senior year in HS and if Grentz said she viewed her as a shooter (no mention of PG skills) prior to her senior year, why is there an expectation that she would play PG for LC?

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:37 pm

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NewXbo wrote:
So we recruited Agnelo as a point guard from Erie Prep. Why isn't she playing point guard?

I see Lutz is now getting playing time and scoring. Why was she held out?

Ed65, I know you are close to the program, what's going on here?


I think it has been pretty well explained on the Forum.  We will see if the Freshman improve over the summer and if there are some gems in their Sophomore season.  Based on what we have seen this year, the Freshman recruits will see a lot of playing time next season.

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:32 pm

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Holland is a point guard.  From a Lehigh Valley Live article when Coach Nolan announced her commitment: "Holland, a 5-6 point guard/shooting guard from the Shipley School in Bryn Mawr, Pa., was the MVP of the 2013-14 Pennsylvania State Championship team. Holland was also an All-Philadelphia Main Line First Team selection in 2014 and MVP of both the 2014 Philadelphia FamJuice Classic and the New York Gauchos Tournament ... "Nia is a quick point guard, who can get to the rim and stretch the defense with her 3-point shooting," Nolan said."

Inexplicably, Holland never played a minute last year for Coach Grentz.  She finally got minutes this year and looks pretty solid.  She had that breakout game against Holy Cross, started against Navy where, though she was quiet, played decent, but now seems to be getting less and less time.  I did not see today's game, but I see she did play 24 minutes off the bench with 5 points, 2 assists and 2 turnovers.  Holland leads the team in 3-point percentage, though, granted, on a small sample of shots (3-8 = 37.5%).  

Based on what I have seen from the players, if I was coaching the team, my starting five would be:  (1) Holland, (2) Stipa, (3) Lutz, (4) Hood and (5) Ottewill-Soulsby.  Agnello should be the first sub at the 1 or 2 guard position - I think she has shown she can play both, with the 2 being her stronger position.  Cantwell (defense) and Ptasinski (shooting) should swing in at the 2 and 3 positions as the game situation dictates.  Gumbs should be the first sub at the forward positions - she has raw talent and brings speed and intensity that we sorely lack a lot of the time.  If Ribarich was available (she has one foot in a boot right now), I'd use her to counter a big body on another team.  The other bigs can get minutes as needed and as the game situations dictate.

I think that player rotation would give us the best chance to win.

Instead, we have this commitment to give the freshmen minutes.  I think I said after about game 7 that it was not working.  After 21 games, even if Coach had written off this season to develop the freshmen, I'd say it still isn't working.  Though Agnello seems to have developed after a rocky start, Gumbs is still pretty much as raw as she was in game 1 and her defense is lacking.  Santarelli's 28% shooting in the post (38-135 (she's taken the 4th most shots on the team)) has killed us - she just hasn't gotten better this year.  I don't think I've seen enough of Vipond to make an informed judgment, but her 22% shooting (7-32) is concerning.  

I want to be fair to Coach Grentz and give her a chance.  I want her, and the team, to have success.  But I fear her style - based on the available accounts of her history, her management of team this year, and the rumors / reports of her poor treatment of players - has sucked whatever life was left in this program out.  Can anyone relate a story where she has done something really positive for a player or the team this year?  Shown some real brilliance with the lineups she uses?  Show an article where one of her old players raves about how great she is?  All I hear, and all I see on this forum, are negatives.  Some say it's all rumor and innuendo.  It's more.  

Something needs to change.  I really don't think our kids are this bad.  But I really think the coaching and the atmosphere created by the coaching staff is as bad as it seems.  I think the solution is obvious.

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:55 pm

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I generally agree except on Cantwell, who should be on the court a lot.
This year is either a step toward a third disastrous decade or the vile treatment that leads to improvement.
Grentz is a young 64. She appears to be ready to continue "The Process."
In the process, some upperclassmen are going to suffer. That is truly unfortunate.
I feel for them and their parents.

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:01 am

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[quote="bethlehempard:60071"]I generally agree except on Cantwell, who should be on the court a lot.
This year is either a step toward a third disastrous decade or the vile treatment that leads to improvement.
Grentz is a young 64. She appears to be ready to continue "The Process."
In the process, some upperclassmen are going to suffer. That is truly unfortunate.
I feel for them and their parents.[/quote]

Why does LC even have such a team?  After years of losing there seems to be no point.  Why not use the scholarship money for something that has a better ROI?

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:58 am

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You are on the right track.  Keep going.

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:00 am

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Realfax1, your posts have a familiar ring.

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:28 pm

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I'd be an idiot to argue that things look OK at this point, and I'd be lying if I said I don't wonder if we made a bad choice, I just firmly believe you have to give a new coach 3 seasons in a situation like this.

RansomS - Your plan seems conventional and hence - I like it. Play the experienced players and let the frosh develop at a reasonable pace. I like that - in theory and in retrospect - a hell of a lot better than what we wound up doing this season.

RealFax.... - I'm much more on your side than against you...We all are...This is a mess...Unfortunately there's not much confidence the school can fix it.

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