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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:48 am

bethlehempardView user's profile






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Coaches who should definitely be kept: Garrett and Grentz. That's it.

Cases could be made for both lacrosse coaches but Rogalski is in Year Five and it's time to show something.

The rest, terminate or cut their sports.

Sports to cut: tennis, golf, swimming and volleyball. The teams are usually D3 or club quality. What's more important, nobody cares.  Nobody cares!

Sports to consider cutting: baseball, softball, T&F.

Losing permeates this institution, to such an extent that people vigorously defend the losing coaches. If the best argument for a coach is "Nobody could win here" it is time to cut the sport.

Lafayette can't compete nor can the case be made that the investment required to compete can be justified.

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:13 am

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Any scenario that involves keeping FOH and Bruce is a non-starter for me.  "This whole Sicilian THING must end, Michael!"  Diane Keaton in that powerful sequence in the hotel room (Godfather Part II)

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:16 am

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In general I oppose cutting sports, especially if it is only based on win / loss records.    So the music or other Arts programs are safe, merely because they don't compete in schedule conference competitions?  or no one measures if attendance has dropped?   We'll continue to carry and offer degrees in fields where the job placement is below an acceptable level?   Long time professors teaching 1 course a semester with a team of assistants are not held to a higher standard due to their "relationship" with the College?

IF old LC must reduce expenses, then we need to see the full accounting.   Where are we spending our money, and where can we be more efficient.   EVERYTHING must be on the table, not just sports because the media has made athletes a pariah of the community.

I do fully agree, we need accountability in our Athletics department.   Not just of coaches, but of the administration.   I think we have beat the dead horse, but we need a true AD, who is accountable.  Does he/she need be a direct report of AB?  No, but then their boss needs to have that same level of accountability.    I agree with cleaning house for a lot of coaches.   But not with cutting sports

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:46 pm

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bethlehempard wrote:


Sports to cut: tennis, golf, swimming and volleyball. The teams are usually D3 or club quality. What's more important, nobody cares. Nobody cares!

Sports to consider cutting: baseball, softball, T&F.




Curious if you know how much LC receives in donations from alumni of those sports and how much might be lost if they cut those sports.

Two other things to consider. (1) LC receives about $35,000 from the NCAA for each of those sports that might be cut.  So they get about $70,000 in total for having the two golf teams and another $70,000 for tennis, sports which can't cost much money;  and (2) a school has to sponsor at least 15 sports, so not all of the teams on the suggested hit list could be eliminated..

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:33 pm

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bison137 wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:


Sports to cut: tennis, golf, swimming and volleyball. The teams are usually D3 or club quality. What's more important, nobody cares. Nobody cares!

Sports to consider cutting: baseball, softball, T&F.




Curious if you know how much LC receives in donations from alumni of those sports and how much might be lost if they cut those sports.

Two other things to consider. (1) LC receives about $35,000 from the NCAA for each of those sports that might be cut. So they get about $70,000 in total for having the two golf teams and another $70,000 for tennis, sports which can't cost much money; and (2) a school has to sponsor at least 15 sports, so not all of the teams on the suggested hit list could be eliminated..


All true and bison 137 beat me to it. I suspect we will end up tiering sports. Question is what sports to tier. If that is the case ( and we already do it to a certain extent), do you make public you tiers. ( Quinnipiac does this) And do you go full level support, e.g.. full NCAA allowed scholarships, full salary and personnel support for the top tier sports!!! How many sports do you top tier beyond football and basketball. Once you fully fund football you will be obliged to fund other women's sports.

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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:50 pm

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Money isn't the issue and we already do have tiers, though unstated.
View sports as a bell curve: minimal interest on the left, football on the far right.

We have several teams on the far left that nobody cares about. That lowers the bar for all. The curve shifts left. That has to end. It makes it too easy for other teams to coast, to go with the flow.

So cut tennis-M/tennis-W/golf/volleyball. Those are easy cuts.
If some benefactor wants to donate enough to endow a sport, hey go for it!

I'd leave cross country because those are the only guys who bring something like a cool surfer vibe to campus. In our own Lafayette way.

I'd keep T&F because it's the original sport of mankind and it seems immoral that it be cut that while MBB meanders along its pathetic path.

As for coaches, Garrett and Fisher should stay. As for Grentz, I'd like to know more. If she was fired for being tough or unpleasant or difficult, I'm very disappointed. That program needed a kick in the behind. Several.

That's all folks! As for the rest of the coaches, thank you for your service!

Cutting sports is serious business. Two years ago I'd have agreed strongly with those who oppose that move.

That was before Lafayette College's wallowing in manure went to extremes. The school is wasting time and effort and money on pointless endeavors that nobody cares about.

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